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« on: September 11, 2010, 18:37 »
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Lots of rants, lots of "we need to" and "we should" but there doesn't seem to be a consensus or a plan. A "D" day that we all agree to, and sign a petition that we submit to IS threatening to, disable or delete our ports if IS doesn't rescind this commission cut.  I feel like it's not just  IS but the whole micro industry is watching. If we do nothing the other micros will eventually follow suit. We need to draw a line in the sand here and now or there will be no end to the cuts in commissions in the future.


« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2010, 18:44 »
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Mr. Stock eheh I have created a petition yesterday I guess, 11 signatures :P

http://www.petitiononline.com/istock11/petition.html

I guess if it was created by Yuri, Andres, Monkeybusiness it would have 111 at minimium!

« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2010, 19:09 »
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Mr. Stock eheh I have created a petition yesterday I guess, 11 signatures :P

http://www.petitiononline.com/istock11/petition.html

I guess if it was created by Yuri, Andres, Monkeybusiness it would have 111 at minimium!


Hey I saw that but honestly, it doesn't really say anything or threaten to do anything, it has no teeth. We need an ultimatum. We certainly should wait a while and see if all the complaining does any good but eventually if it doesn't, we need to be willing to take action or we'll just get walked on the next time around as well.

« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2010, 19:12 »
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I also think if we accept things as they are, we are doomed. All big agencies will do the same.

« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2010, 19:20 »
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Mr. Stock eheh I have created a petition yesterday I guess, 11 signatures :P

http://www.petitiononline.com/istock11/petition.html

I guess if it was created by Yuri, Andres, Monkeybusiness it would have 111 at minimium!


Hey I saw that but honestly, it doesn't really say anything or threaten to do anything, it has no teeth. We need an ultimatum. We certainly should wait a while and see if all the complaining does any good but eventually if it doesn't, we need to be willing to take action or we'll just get walked on the next time around as well.


do it, I will support it :)

« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2010, 19:23 »
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I also think if we accept things as they are, we are doomed. All big agencies will do the same.

you are 100% right! but the truth is that in a few days, weeks things will be "forgotten" and everyone will start again the upload.. the real problem is the other agencies looking on what contributors are doing.. raises will never happen in microstock!.. or when we get there they will take it from us..

I really hope that other agencies don't follow IS policy

« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2010, 19:45 »
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Most already have done something similar to what Istock just pulled off at a smaller scale perhaps, but its the future i guess if Istock can get away with it every agency can.

« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2010, 19:48 »
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I'm still in shock.
I can't believe it's happening.

I'm in.
Let's organize ourselves. We need a leader, we need a group, we need clear instructions.
I'll do everything I possibly can to help.

If we accept IStock's 15% now we create a precedent.
I'm not even sure their changes are legal (lock-in canister agreement), we need professional advice.

Is there nothing we can do to stop this from happening?

« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2010, 19:51 »
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Blammo,
I don't want to hear that. Other agencies, in the past ... water under the bridge.
I don't want to hear about that anymore.

This is about now.
This is about 15% commission.
If we do nothing but moan, we deserve to be treated this way. It's our fault.

« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2010, 21:19 »
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I'm in.
Let's organize ourselves. We need a leader, we need a group, we need clear instructions.
I'll do everything I possibly can to help.

If we accept IStock's 15% now we create a precedent.

A leader is exactly what we need. Honestly I'm not the leader type (not a follower either more like a lone wolf but that's between me and my therapist) and i'm one of those micro stockers who always kind of rolled with the punches, never paid too much attention to what the micros did, but i think IS has gone too far this time and as stated it sets a precedent for the other agencies and for the future for more cuts from istock. I think a D day is a good idea and a very well written petition with our demands and a set D day is in order. This needs to be established on its own web page, blog, with a unique URL so the site and petition can be easily forwarded to contributers, art buyers and admins at istock. All who agree can sign it and commit to the d day. I think this would be powerful, especially if all signatures were also links to the contributors portfolios at IS and of course we had hundreds if not thousands of signatures. This is an opportunity that we shouldn't let pass us by, to show these companies that this is a two way street and that they are nothing without us artists. The tipping point has been reached.

IS wants to start this at the first of the year, perhaps Jan 1st of 2011 should be the D day if iStock doesn't back down. that gives us plenty of time to get the web site / blog up, email other contributers, buyers, and get plenty of signatures. What do you think? Suggestions?
« Last Edit: September 11, 2010, 21:22 by Mr. Stock »

« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2010, 21:57 »
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I agree. I've had enough.
15 % commission is an insult, (to us and to the other sites). And so is their 1.400.000 credits target.
But enough about that already.
Let's move.

First thing first.
We need to keep this thread alive and focused.
There are too many idle threads already, it's confusing.

Louis, please bump this thread from time to time. 

We need to contact other contributors. Send them here. For now, this thread - meeting place.
We need to know who is willing to participate. 
We need ideas.
We need a leader.
We need organization.

I'm in, just tell me what to do and when to do it.

We may well fail. But at least we TRIED.

« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2010, 22:05 »
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No one will lead because most (not all) will tuck the tail and give in like they always have.  Words are one thing, actions are another.

You can easily search the threads of the previous issues and find the near future outcome here.  One or two standing by what they say will not do anything.

iStock started paying a nickle a download, soon we will be back there again.

« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 22:13 »
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No one will lead because most (not all) will tuck the tail and give in like they always have.  Words are one thing, actions are another.

You can easily search the threads of the previous issues and find the near future outcome here.  One or two standing by what they say will not do anything.

iStock started paying a nickle a download, soon we will be back there again.

Yeah but they weren't charging $30 and paying out a nickle

« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2010, 22:23 »
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True.  But if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

nruboc

« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2010, 22:28 »
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True.  But if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

FYI - On your website, it looks like you are still recommending IStock

« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2010, 00:07 »
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Thanks, I missed that one.  While I was searching my sites, I found a few links I needed to delete.  I still had one on Microstock Photography Topsites also that I had forgotten about.  That site surprisingly gets a lot of traffic and good page-rank for a single page site.

I thought I had all their links gone a while back when I was dropping all the FT links.

Thanks.

« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2010, 00:50 »
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Have someone contacted SAA? They should have enough leadership incentive because they are the ones who fight against similar things in the industry...

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2010, 01:09 »
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we need to be willing to take action or we'll just get walked on the next time around as well.

Whilst the idea of making a stand against perceived injustice is great, there is now way on earth such an idea will have any effect here. Even in the IS forums there's a "We the undersigned" petition stating a lack of confidence in IS management, it's been running for some days now and with all the furore you'd think it would be hundreds of pages long, it's got 300 signatories. I'm not sure how many IS contributors there are, 75,000? 300 signing shows how little enthusiasm there is for any sort of action. I'm not going to do anything either, my income will be affected but it's my main source of income now so I'm not going to endanger that. I came to stock because my previous freelance income was being damaged by constant downward pressure on fees, over a period of years-sound familiar? Fees in publishing and design are probably less than they were 10 years ago and anyone who works in any industry will say the same, I still earn more than I can freelancing, a drop in income will push me into working harder and even if I dropped out or went on strike or whatever idea you may have to protest you can bet the vast majority won't support you. I was reading a report from a major economist yesterday basically saying the world economy is f---ed and it aint going to get any better, we're all clinging to the wreckage, trying to do the best for our families, and promoting strikes or upload slowdowns or attempting to turn away buyers isn't going to make one iota of difference until the whole dirty mess hits the fan finally some point in the near future.

« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2010, 01:33 »
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we need to be willing to take action or we'll just get walked on the next time around as well.

Whilst the idea of making a stand against perceived injustice is great, there is now way on earth such an idea will have any effect here. Even in the IS forums there's a "We the undersigned" petition stating a lack of confidence in IS management, it's been running for some days now and with all the furore you'd think it would be hundreds of pages long, it's got 300 signatories. I'm not sure how many IS contributors there are, 75,000? 300 signing shows how little enthusiasm there is for any sort of action. I'm not going to do anything either, my income will be affected but it's my main source of income now so I'm not going to endanger that. I came to stock because my previous freelance income was being damaged by constant downward pressure on fees, over a period of years-sound familiar? Fees in publishing and design are probably less than they were 10 years ago and anyone who works in any industry will say the same, I still earn more than I can freelancing, a drop in income will push me into working harder and even if I dropped out or went on strike or whatever idea you may have to protest you can bet the vast majority won't support you. I was reading a report from a major economist yesterday basically saying the world economy is f---ed and it aint going to get any better, we're all clinging to the wreckage, trying to do the best for our families, and promoting strikes or upload slowdowns or attempting to turn away buyers isn't going to make one iota of difference until the whole dirty mess hits the fan finally some point in the near future.

LOL! You think they will stop on this? You are wrong!

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2010, 01:58 »
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LOL! You think they will stop on this? You are wrong!

You may be right, but currently any drop in my income is within the bounds of acceptable. I feel I can make it up with a bit of effort. The alternative would be what though?
If you can suggest something I can do that will have minimal effect on my income I'm all ears. If you're going to suggest giving up exclusivity and uploading to multiple sites, don't bother. I know 2 people who have done this and they're both back as exclusives, poorer but wiser. I'm still earning within the top 10% of incomes in my European country, even with a 10% drop I'm still there and I feel I can make up an income drop by working harder and being more focussed. What suggestion can you offer?

« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2010, 03:10 »
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Well if you are an Indie and do nothing you will loose even more because if the other micro's see IS get away with this they will be tempted to follow suit so your entire earnings could drop not just at Istockphoto and if you are an Exclusive there it would appear that the general opinion is that the majority loose or at best have to work harder to stand still! so your choice!

I very much doubt the response to all of this will just be sit back accept and do nothing on this occasion. Think Istock have gone to far this time! I will most certainly not be giving them my support or Imagery in the future if my forecast for my future earnings based on the reduced % are correct!

« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2010, 03:14 »
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LOL! You think they will stop on this? You are wrong!

 I know 2 people who have done this and they're both back as exclusives, poorer but wiser.

They either did not pick the correct Agencies or did not try hard enough ;)

vlad_the_imp

« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2010, 03:21 »
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or did not try hard enough

Trying hard is not easy if you're used to a certain level of income and that plummets when you give up exclusivity.
No offence meant but a lot of people posting this sort of comment ( not all, but quite a few) are not big earners with a lot to lose. If you're only selling a few hundred images a year the reality of moving to a non-exclusive deal is very different to being a big seller at IS. An initial drop in income of , lets say 50% to randomly pluck a figure out of the air if you abandon exclusivity at IS, is manageable if you're earning $200 a month and have a full time job and this is pocket money, if you're earning $2000 a week and paying a mortgage and supporting a family, that's a whole different ball game.

« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2010, 05:06 »
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sorry double post
« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 05:49 by iclick »

« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2010, 05:15 »
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or did not try hard enough

Trying hard is not easy if you're used to a certain level of income and that plummets when you give up exclusivity.
No offence meant but a lot of people posting this sort of comment ( not all, but quite a few) are not big earners with a lot to lose. If you're only selling a few hundred images a year the reality of moving to a non-exclusive deal is very different to being a big seller at IS. An initial drop in income of , lets say 50% to randomly pluck a figure out of the air if you abandon exclusivity at IS, is manageable if you're earning $200 a month and have a full time job and this is pocket money, if you're earning $2000 a week and paying a mortgage and supporting a family, that's a whole different ball game.

Yes hear and sympathies with your points and lets not miss out the important "with the right choices" in your quote however there is going to be a reduction in income to all but the very few at IS  anyway, so that surly has to be taken into the equation

I'm not saying it is right for everyone or easy, it is down to the individual to crunch numbers in the knowledge that the Independent route will take time and perseverance ( and yes initial drop in income ) till Portfolios are established. Appreciate it is a mammoth step but what I am saying is  that with the reduced slice of the cake at IS with the right choices and determination being independent can work rather well!  why do you think many do it?  and not just for pocket money ;)

Lets not forget that the big earners are not just all Exclusive Contributers  
« Last Edit: September 12, 2010, 05:47 by iclick »


 

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