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« on: August 12, 2013, 19:11 »
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Just discovered other peoples' photos have been added to all my photo pages.... godalmighty.... !


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2013, 19:41 »
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2013, 19:53 »
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Wow.  Great way to direct sales to their contributors of choice.

mlwinphoto

« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2013, 20:10 »
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Wow.  Great way to direct sales to their contributors of choice.

Hadn't thought of that.....will be interesting to take a closer look and see if that really is what is happening.  Would not surprise me one bit.

 

Leo Blanchette

« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2013, 20:43 »
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Just discovered other peoples' photos have been added to all my photo pages.... godalmighty.... !

But at least they are accepting whatever you submit now right? Up to 999? (Or has that changed).

FFA EVERYONE! :D EVERYBODY SOLO! What fun!

tab62

« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2013, 21:33 »
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Hopefully they are good ones and you get to keep the sales!  ;)


drial7m1

« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2013, 22:04 »
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Wow.  Great way to direct sales to their contributors of choice.

Hadn't thought of that.....will be interesting to take a closer look and see if that really is what is happening.  Would not surprise me one bit.

 

It figures, the first photo of mine that I pull up turns out that all of the photos below are from the Yuri Arcurs collection and none of the others that I have that were from the same shoot and same model showed up. 

I agree with what Sean thinks. 

Other than that, you all have a great week!
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 14:26 by drial7m1 »

« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2013, 22:11 »
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This move undermines a finely honed marketing system I  built up and applied over the years. It rewards others for my work and falsely claims to have similar images when they are linking to just the same handful of images for most of the thousands of files in a search. How does that even make sense? I can see easily now that those special chosen files that link to most of  mine will always be at the top because it is a huge promotion to be on the file pages of other contributors. I wouldn't mind it if some of mine were linked. I have a file with 600 Vetta dls that is not getting the special treatment that some non exclusive files are getting in my favorite search. I am screwed now. Game over.

ShadySue

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 04:37 »
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Has to be one of the worst ideas anyone over there has had. Wonder whose turn it was to 'think of something new' yesterday. Reveals all the keyword spamming and bad best match relevancy (where it exists).
Why they thought that anyone doing a search and picking the image they wanted would want to see the irrelevant images they discarded again is inexplicable.
Interesting that in the iS thread, all the problems have been seen right away. Usually when something new is introduced [1] people generally cheered for a while until the drawbacks became apparent. This time the drawbacks are way too apparent.

[1]Though not as predicatably recently, with the upsurge in bad ideas which have been pushed live.

Get the Best Match sorted. Penalise spamming and poor keywording. Give the crowd a financial incentive to wiki and act on it. When the search is poor, no manner of dressing up will help.

« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 05:17 »
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Has to be one of the worst ideas anyone over there has had. Wonder whose turn it was to 'think of something new' yesterday. Reveals all the keyword spamming and bad best match relevancy (where it exists).

I hate the way that on the internet opinion often tends towards tabloidesque superlatives such that anything is always either the worst or the best.

This looks quite sensible to me on the whole. Coupled with the simplified search options it isn't stupid. Perhaps the implementation needs to be fine tuned over time with respect to the content which gets fed into that channel. But they have to build it before they fine tune the content. It's a different window on the database. Why not ? The 'see also' channel is a potential marketing tool - it's going to sometimes work for us and sure it will probably sometimes go against us.

Some people think that it spoils the look and feel of the pages. Well I know that this is going to be a difficult thing for many people to acknowledge - but the look and feel of the site may be suffering from the mish mash of content in our description fields - lightboxes in all different styles etc. Pushing that lot down beneath the fold might be a good first step. Personally I keep wondering whether we really need a description field.

Why they thought that anyone doing a search and picking the image they wanted would want to see the irrelevant images they discarded again is inexplicable.

It is exactly analogous to a similar feature  on the web version of the Kindle bookstore - a feature which I use and which, I expect, many other people also use. There are always multiple ways to find what you are looking for.

Get the Best Match sorted. Penalise spamming and poor keywording. Give the crowd a financial incentive to wiki and act on it. When the search is poor, no manner of dressing up will help.

I might be wrong but I would doubt that they would be planning to sort out the keywords. I doubt that they are going to need to over time. Because with all new non-premium content on sale at the lowest price sales will decide relevancy*. Anyone searching by newest is going to get a mixture of often less relevant content but at much lower pricing. Buyers who choose to search by newest can probably do a better job on relevancy** than a relatively time consuming inspection process. Though my guess would be that exclusive content will get tighter keyword scrutiny for the moment at least.

*and quality
** ie building the relevancy data
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 05:24 by bhr »

ShadySue

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 05:22 »
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Though my guess would be that exclusive content will get tighter keyword scrutiny for the moment at least.
There is no evidence to show that happening, or that it has been happening for months.

ShadySue

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2013, 05:24 »
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I keep wondering whether we really need a description field.
For content which does not 'have' to be 'editorial' (so will be rejected as an editorial submission) but is most likely to be used in an editorial context, it's essential.

« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2013, 05:34 »
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I keep wondering whether we really need a description field.
For content which does not 'have' to be 'editorial' (so will be rejected as an editorial submission) but is most likely to be used in an editorial context, it's essential.

I am not convinced that iStockphoto 2013 is a great outlet for uploading editorial content to other than product shots. By editorial - like you I mean content which is most likely to be used in an editorial context.

ShadySue

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2013, 05:46 »
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I keep wondering whether we really need a description field.
For content which does not 'have' to be 'editorial' (so will be rejected as an editorial submission) but is most likely to be used in an editorial context, it's essential.

I am not convinced that iStockphoto 2013 is a great outlet for uploading editorial content to other than product shots. By editorial - like you I mean content which is most likely to be used in an editorial context.
iStock for months has not been a good place to upload any new files, especially of subjects in popular genres/main keywords.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2013, 05:58 »
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I keep wondering whether we really need a description field.
For content which does not 'have' to be 'editorial' (so will be rejected as an editorial submission) but is most likely to be used in an editorial context, it's essential.

I am not convinced that iStockphoto 2013 is a great outlet for uploading editorial content to other than product shots. By editorial - like you I mean content which is most likely to be used in an editorial context.
iStock for months has not been a good place to upload any new files, especially of subjects in popular genres/main keywords.

Most popolar keywords on iS will fast become: business, businessmen/women, blur, faded blue, background

« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2013, 10:57 »
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Of course you need description fields. The average designer is not an expert on all things. Not all photos are being marketed to the ignorant masses. It helps the designer sell the image to the client if he knows something about the image and has some words to go with it.

« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2013, 11:46 »
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Of course you need description fields. The average designer is not an expert on all things. Not all photos are being marketed to the ignorant masses. It helps the designer sell the image to the client if he knows something about the image and has some words to go with it.

Both Getty and Shutterstock seem to have done okay without a description field. Alamy does not let us post links or embed content.

I can see why photographs intended for editorial use need good captioning and an additional space for shoot notes etc can also be useful with those sorts of images. A something, somewhere, sometime picture needs a good caption. But I don't see why a generic RF non editorial off-the-peg stock image is ever going to be so specific that it would need anything other than a title and keywords. Surely if a picture needs a description then it should be properly captioned for editorial.

Anyhow - my point was that, if we are honest with ourselves (me included), the mish-mash of lightbox links, images hosted elsewhere, broken links, broken ubb code etc surely, at the very least, presents a case for moving the description field beneath the fold. And ultimately those pages surely need a uniform standard look and feel.

2. The title of this thread is "Someone else's photos are on MY PAGE". I suppose that part of what I am questioning, I hope in way which is polite and respectful, is whether it actually is "MY PAGE".
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 11:49 by bhr »

ShadySue

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2013, 12:13 »
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Surely if a picture needs a description then it should be properly captioned for editorial.
Not allowed if it doesn't 'have' to be editorial. I've had images thrown back and asked to remove some signs so that they could be submitted to the main collection, even though the pics would almost certainly only have editorial use.
In natural history, a description may be of help to an editorial buyer, even if there is no need for the image to be editorial. Also detailled descriptions of certain landscapes or cityscapes may help the buyer.
Finally, the similar images is above the caption of editorial pics, meaning that at least on my monitor, the caption can't be read without scrolling.

« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2013, 12:30 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 11:21 by Audi 5000 »

ShadySue

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2013, 12:36 »
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Anyway, it's buggy. The sort has been switching between the old drop down with all the options and the three boxes all day, and a while ago the strip was gone, then it was back.
Do they never, ever test properly in a sandbox before pushing live? (stupid question)

ShadySue

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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2013, 12:40 »
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2013, 13:18 »
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Descriptions matter more for images of places (not all of which are editorial) and some of wildlife or plants/trees. Putting them underneath their "similar" images is a disservice to buyers.

I have so few images left there I don't care, but I had spent a bunch of time organizing lightboxes of related (if not similar) images in ways I thought was helpful to buyers and thus to me (in terms of increased sales). No one will ever spend ten seconds doing anything like that any more in the current set up given where it's placed.

On top of which the new page design is butt ugly.

Fail, IMO

ShadySue

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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2013, 18:02 »
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Has to be one of the worst ideas anyone over there has had. Wonder whose turn it was to 'think of something new' yesterday. Reveals all the keyword spamming and bad best match relevancy (where it exists).
I hate the way that on the internet opinion often tends towards tabloidesque superlatives such that anything is always either the worst or the best.
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, though I said it was "one of the worst". IMO, the worst idea was RCs and probably the second worst was the latest Collections fiasco.

gillian vann

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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2013, 19:02 »
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so long as you upload links of your own similars it shouldn't be too disastrous. think of it like this:

you've got 6 of the series and the buyer can see all six on one page, plus another 6 similar images (which hopefully includes a few of yours too), they may just decide that's as good as it gets and just pick one.

Maybe.

Sure the location, above my own list of similars, is annoying. but I did a few checks and on a few the list of similars was hilarious, surely convincing the buyer that mine was the best. the people ones are worse of course, so having your own links or lightboxes is going to be crucial.  they weren't all links to exclusive files either. (not yet  :-\)

As a buyer I would like this. (I'd probably be unaware how limited the best match search is.)  I'm not going to hate it just cos it's iS.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 19:06 by gillian »

« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2013, 19:08 »
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« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 11:21 by Audi 5000 »


 

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