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Agency Based Discussion => iStockPhoto.com => Topic started by: Shank_ali on July 18, 2011, 14:28
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Sorry for being so blunt but what ** happened...
When i joined Istock in 2007 the forum was a hive of activity.It was bustling with new threads and lots of comments posted by the community of artists and staff.
What's caused its demise?
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Sorry for being so blunt but what ** happened...
When i joined Istock in 2007 the forum was a hive of activity.It was bustling with new threads and lots of comments posted by the community of artists and staff.
What's caused its demise?
Maybe it is due to people (like you) continually spouting pointless drivel? Looks to me as if you are now having the same effect over here too. It just becomes hard work wading through all the nonsense to read the posts of people who actually have something to say. Sorry for being so blunt ...
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"comments posted by the community of artists and staff."
You already have the answer. Also now that the RC system has made us all competitors the activity is moving behind closed doors on facebook or other forums. Educating the competition isnīt a good idea.
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Hey Shanks! why dont you put a sock in it and take a days break, will ya. This forum is not a substitute for the IS forum. Funny in the beginning but now the novelty is wearing thin and its becoming boring. :)
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"comments posted by the community of artists and staff."
You already have the answer. Also now that the RC system has made us all competitors the activity is moving behind closed doors on facebook or other forums. Educating the competition isnīt a good idea.
You just might of uncovered some of the truth Jasmin.The explosion of the social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter,to a lesser extent,has had an adverse effect on internet forums like Istockphoto.It's not the whole reason but it has definately had an impact.
The other good thing that Istockphoto had and still maintains to this day is discipline.It make contributors responsable for what they post and will never tolerate abuse of any form against a fellow poster on the forum.
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It's an interesting question, and Cobalt seems to have the answer.
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Forum traffic is strongly dependent on what you make of it.
If they wanted more traffic on site, they would create it. istock is a pioneer of building a web 2.0 community, so they know exactly what they are doing. If they allow the traffic to move elsewhere, it is because they feel comfortable with it.
The facebook istock community is alive and well, but it is more like a walled garden, not many new people get in there. And there are other networks/circles/twitter that people use.
I miss the old istock forum community, but I am also having a lot of fun on facebook.
And there is always the microstockgroup :-)
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istock is a pioneer of building a web 2.0 community, so they know exactly what they are doing.
Perhaps that should be "knew".
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There are also disaffected people like me - I'm not banned, but have chosen to stop any sort of community involvement in response to Getty's choices about how they treat contributors.
When you treat people like dirt, it's not surprising when they stop hanging out
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istock is a pioneer of building a web 2.0 community, so they know exactly what they are doing.
Perhaps that should be "knew".
My thoughts exactly.
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"Maybe it is due to people (like you) continually spouting pointless drivel? Looks to me as if you are now having the same effect over here too."
Heh heh. Seriously.
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There are also disaffected people like me - I'm not banned, but have chosen to stop any sort of community involvement in response to Getty's choices about how they treat contributors.
When you treat people like dirt, it's not surprising when they stop hanging out
And me.
I have never been banned (knock on wood), nor am I avoiding community involvement at Istock. The fact is, there really isn't much of a community there anymore. The IS forums are practically deserted, so nothing much to post about.
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There are also disaffected people like me - I'm not banned, but have chosen to stop any sort of community involvement in response to Getty's choices about how they treat contributors.
When you treat people like dirt, it's not surprising when they stop hanging out
Your not alone Jo Anne and it's good people like yourself 'not hanging out' that has made the forum a little stale this last year.IMO
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The forums are a great place for artistic talent from all walks of life to meet up. Having fun together, leads to meeting up together, shooting together etc...it also makes all shootings cost efficient, because we teach each other, model for each other, share any other costs...etc.. so the community has a strong financial effect IMO. If you always had to hire assistants, pay for workshops and tuition, pay more for the models, had to research all locations yourself and pay for using them...had to pay a specialist for "medical shootings", "sports shootings" instead of getting all the detailed subject related info for free from a fellow istocker...we would have to sell at Macrostock prices to make it work.
So apart from the fun, the forums serve a very important business function, especially when it comes to image production and social media marketing.
From there communication and reputation spreads into the wider visual community.
I am now spending more time here than on istock and I have rediscovered other forums, not just stock related. Will this affect my work? I donīt know.
The forum community was an important part of the decision to be exclusive to istock. If I signed up today, I donīt know what Iīd do.
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I am now spending more time here than on istock ..
Me too ;D
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Before Getty bought iStock, the forums were so fun - a rebellious, almost-anything-goes kind of place. I feel lucky to have met some great people (who I have also met in real life as well). Once Getty bought it, the fun was totally sucked out of it. First by banning topics, then the shenanigans with the business, the frequent thread locks, and then finally their quick on the draw, somewhat personal, banning policy. As one of my favorite iStock people once said, "It is now one of the most boring corners of the internet".
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The other good thing that Istockphoto had and still maintains to this day is discipline.It make contributors responsable for what they post and will never tolerate abuse of any form against a fellow poster on the forum.
admins on the other hand...
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Maybe it is due to people (like you) continually spouting pointless drivel? Looks to me as if you are now having the same effect over here too. It just becomes hard work wading through all the nonsense to read the posts of people who actually have something to say. Sorry for being so blunt ...
Hey Shanks! why dont you put a sock in it and take a days break, will ya. This forum is not a substitute for the IS forum. Funny in the beginning but now the novelty is wearing thin and its becoming boring. :)
I agree with both of these replies, this use to be a place where we could have (sometimes heated) discussions about real issues related to the industry, it's an open forum so I suppose you're free to spend hours upon hours here writing your daily rants but for everyone else I've made this request:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/site-related/thread-ignore-button/msg210255/?topicseen#new (http://www.microstockgroup.com/site-related/thread-ignore-button/msg210255/?topicseen#new)
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RT this thread is about the Istock forum.The basic idea is to read the title and if you have a comment about,you guessed it,the Istock forum in this instance you post a comment.Is it so hard to follow that principle of an on line forum?
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I find your comments and those of the other posters above very offensive. This subject is of interest for many people, especially the istock exclusives.
If you personally dislike Shank than please take your sandbox fight elsewhere. Or just ignore him, problem solved.
I really don't need you to police a thread I am interested in.
Please stay out of threads if the subject doesn' interest you.
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Double post - sorry.
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There are also disaffected people like me - I'm not banned, but have chosen to stop any sort of community involvement in response to Getty's choices about how they treat contributors.
When you treat people like dirt, it's not surprising when they stop hanging out
And me.
I have never been banned (knock on wood), nor am I avoiding community involvement at Istock. The fact is, there really isn't much of a community there anymore. The IS forums are practically deserted, so nothing much to post about.
+1, why would I hang out somewhere being run by people I now despise? It's just another consequence of the animosity they have been causing over the last few months. I can't imagine Getty are losing any sleep over it either.
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I pretty much stopped looking at that forum once Rob Sylvan dropped out.
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I stopped participating the morning I woke up to a site mail from Lobo warning me about a forum post. It was an honest question about where IS was going and it got locked pretty fast. Just not worth the time and treatment.
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I stopped participating the morning I woke up to a site mail from Lobo warning me about a forum post. It was an honest question about where IS was going and it got locked pretty fast. Just not worth the time and treatment.
Yep you dont want a site mail from Lobo on istock.Had a few weekend passes OFF the forum as a result....
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As well as what's been said above about them having trashed contributors so much they no longer feel like contributing, and helping others could be harming yourself with the RCs thing, it's very significant that very few admins/inspectors post now (since the September shocker). At that time, it seemed like they'd been banned from commenting on the Major Issue, but very few have returned. As a result, a lot of genuine questions aren't having proper resolutions, just being tossed around by peers with their opinions, then a snippy interjection from a moderator to 'take it to Support/Scout', which might be OK except that they can get lost there (I've still got outstanding Support and Scout tickets since mid-March, though others have had very fast replies, and I've got a couple of later ones which have been answered) and as we all know, the answer you get from Support staff depends on who answers your query on the day.
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There are also disaffected people like me - I'm not banned, but have chosen to stop any sort of community involvement in response to Getty's choices about how they treat contributors.
When you treat people like dirt, it's not surprising when they stop hanging out
this is my position as well.
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I find your comments and those of the other posters above very offensive. This subject is of interest for many people, especially the istock exclusives.
If you personally dislike Shank than please take your sandbox fight elsewhere. Or just ignore him, problem solved.
I really don't need you to police a thread I am interested in.
Please stay out of threads if the subject doesn' interest you.
just use that ignore button. ;)
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I find your comments and those of the other posters above very offensive. This subject is of interest for many people, especially the istock exclusives.
If you personally dislike Shank than please take your sandbox fight elsewhere. Or just ignore him, problem solved.
I really don't need you to police a thread I am interested in.
Please stay out of threads if the subject doesn' interest you.
Really, you find my reply very offensive, wow you must be the most sensitive person on the planet sorry it wasn't meant to be, I've read over it a couple of times and I can't see why, and please don't accuse me of personally disliking Shank I've never met the guy and as far as I'm aware I'm not in any sandbox fight with him, I just want him to find something else to do over his morning coffee!
With this in mind I'm surprised you're not supporting my 'thread ignore button'.
Oh and I really don't need you to police my right of free speech.
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Thank you for replying.
I am not interested in censorship, but I was surprised to see three people post in what to me looked like a personal attack on Shank without any comment on the thread topic. And why would you assume that such an important subject wasnīt of interest??
It seemed personal as if there there is more to it, than just Shank opening many threads here. Maybe continuing a sqabble from another thread.
I donīt see what a "Thread ignore button" can achieve. If you had Shank on ignore, you wouldnīt have been abe to read his posts and not reading what he writes is what you want?? I donīt see why leaf should add another funcionailty in a very well managed forum.
I wish we had an ignore button on istock or many other forums I frequent. It is a very useful feature.
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Thank you for replying.
I am not interested in censorship, but I was surprised to see three people post in what to me looked like a personal attack on Shank without any comment on the thread topic. And why would you assume that such an important subject wasnīt of interest??
It seemed personal as if there there is more to it, than just Shank opening many threads here. Maybe continuing a sqabble from another thread.
I donīt see what a "Thread ignore button" can achieve. If you had Shank on ignore, you wouldnīt have been abe to read his posts and not reading what he writes is what you want?? I donīt see why leaf should add another funcionailty in a very well managed forum.
I wish we had an ignore button on istock or many other forums I frequent. It is a very useful feature.
Unfortunately, other people feel the need to reply to his posts, and they quote him when replying. So no, the ignore button doesn't cut down totally on the problem. But an ignore thread would.
And I'm not directing anything solely at Shank. There are others here who are only posting because the IS forum is dead. Prior to that, everyone here was just a bunch of ignorant, incompetent idiots with foul mouths and everything posted at the IS forum was WONDERFUL. Suddenly I guess everyone here is intelligent and worthy of their presence! ;)
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"So no, the ignore button doesn't cut down totally on the problem. But an ignore thread would. "
That is a very good argument. Ok, I think a thread ignore button is useful.
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"just use that ignore button"
I just did. Had to look for it first, I am that naive. ;-)
Back on topic. I miss the fun on the istock forums as well and I miss all the staff and admins. I donīt think they have been asked not to take part in the community, they all share freely on facebook. But of course to have it on istock was better. On facebook I also have a lot of other friends and family. I also miss just quickly looking at peoples portfolios when you see someone knew, or check the latest uploads of the network.
You also canīt really browse facebook to discover new artists.
Well, now we are here :-)
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I do think moderators are over protective,viewing the forum as Istockphoto's shop window as we say to the outside world.Most designers and buyers using the company for commercial purposes do not even venture into the forum.
The credit card fraud.The Redeemable credit targets.Bugs and less sales in general for it's contributors has slowly worn down the nerves of most .....
I think the company should implement a chat room/games room/ live feed to HQ to get back some interest.
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At least you don't have to put up with that pudding head on SS with his puerile politics and incessant pimping of images - marketing for dummies.
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No, would Lobo would take care of him ;-)
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At least you don't have to put up with that pudding head on SS with his puerile politics and incessant pimping of images - marketing for dummies.
I think you mean pudding heads
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Sorry for being so blunt but what ** happened...
When i joined Istock in 2007 the forum was a hive of activity.It was bustling with new threads and lots of comments posted by the community of artists and staff.
What's caused its demise?
Who cares...
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When I joined iStock, many years ago, there was a group of "original" contributors who were disgruntled about the change in the forums. They thought the tone of the forums, and the contributors posting in them, had changed since the days when images were given away. They moved on and the forum carried on without them and became the vibrant place the OP is nostalgic for. I think that's the nature of forums. People come and go, forums evolve and what they change into might not suit you.
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But the istock forums werenīt just a place to hang out.
They were a B2B place, probably one of the most successful ones in the visual community. I mean what is behind the success of microstock?
It is the fact that professionals from all walks of life connect and learn how to produce sellable content together. WITHOUT CHARGING EACH OTHER.
It is a lot easier to teach a neurosurgeon, a dancer, a restaurant chef, an engineer etc...about photography then to always hire a paid consultant for an industry specific shooting.
Maybe the images they produce will not be perfect at the start, but istock has many restaurant chefs, dancers, architects who have become fully professional in their given field and continue to create high quality content. Always up to date with the latest industry trend. No need for specialized editors who get paid to research a market. The contributors all do it themselves. Faster. Better.
The Photographers benefit because they have access to specialized locations and "real models" in real business situations. In return they taught me lighting and photoshop and loads of other things.
The istock community was one of the best win-win business operations I have ever seen.
There was also an amazing loyalty, people donating endless hours of free time to advance the community. So many highly skilled, extremely professional high salary people working for free. And without charging istock. All those people who were checking keywords for free, putting together useful lightboxes, standing at istock trade shows in their own time, handing out business cards and promoting istock online etc.
That is why the macro stock photographers could never compete with us.
And that is why I donīt understand why they are not promoting long term business relationships and networks.
After all that is where all internet business is heading. So many companies try to build a community and istock gives it up.
The community on istock is a gold mine and they just give it away to the competition.
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Two old phrases all businesses (and governments) need to learn:
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
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"If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
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^^ Well said cobalt.
With people at the top of the company having so often emphasised the huge importance of iStock's community to the growth and success of the company, it's been odd and concerning to see how little they apparently care that iStock's actions (and in some cases total lack of actions) over the past year have almost 100% demolished that community.
iStock would probably say that their committment to things like iStockalypse events proves their committment to keeping the community strong. But unfortunately it's not hard to feel a bit cynical about that.
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When I joined iStock, many years ago, there was a group of "original" contributors who were disgruntled about the change in the forums. They thought the tone of the forums, and the contributors posting in them, had changed since the days when images were given away. They moved on and the forum carried on without them and became the vibrant place the OP is nostalgic for. I think that's the nature of forums. People come and go, forums evolve and what they change into might not suit you.
I do wish it would return 'to the good old days' but realise it wont happen now.Still some hidden gems of information, just under the surface,which have helped me in recent years with my photography.Available to all within the forum !
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All I can add, FWIW - is that I am actually quite proud of the fact that my account has been barred from ISP - not due to me personally as I was out of the office but an employee in the studio that quite literally, 'ripped the ****' out of the admin known as Lobo - ) I should explain, my company has a shared ISP account with ISP as customers and contributors which all of us can access for logistical reasons). For those that don't know - Lobo is the rather trigger happy and generally accepted foolish ISP admin that loves to insult and lock threads on the ISP forums when he and only he feels it necessary. When I discovered the block a few days later I have to admit I was perversely quite proud that one of my team had had the balls (although she's a design graduate without any) and the guts to take him out. Clearly he was pi**ed and barred our account, demonstrating clearly what an unprofessional character he is indeed. Needless to say since then (five months ago) we have never downloaded a single, image from ISP (and never will again) and now all my firms business is from DT, Fotolia, RF123, Veer, BigStockPhoto, Crestock, Alamy, Superstock, CanStockPhoto and Shutterstock.
Actually, I really like the fact that Lobo is still employed by the hapless Canadians - simply means more and more people migrate away from ISP daily and place their business elsewhere. My only regret is that I and my company have downloaded over 1,600 imaged from ISP until five months ago, images that now I see are available mostly elsewhere. Well as David Cameron said only yesterday 'you live and learn'. Happy days.
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All I can add, FWIW - is that I am actually quite proud of the fact that my account has been barred from ISP - not due to me personally as I was out of the office but an employee in the studio that quite literally, 'ripped the ****' out of the admin known as Lobo - ) I should explain, my company has a shared ISP account with ISP as customers and contributors which all of us can access for logistical reasons). For those that don't know - Lobo is the rather trigger happy and generally accepted foolish ISP admin that loves to insult and lock threads on the ISP forums when he and only he feels it necessary. When I discovered the block a few days later I have to admit I was perversely quite proud that one of my team had had the balls (although she's a design graduate without any) and the guts to take him out. Clearly he was pi**ed and barred our account, demonstrating clearly what an unprofessional character he is indeed. Needless to say since then (five months ago) we have never downloaded a single, image from ISP (and never will again) and now all my firms business is from DT, Fotolia, RF123, Veer, BigStockPhoto, Crestock, Alamy, Superstock, CanStockPhoto and Shutterstock.
Actually, I really like the fact that Lobo is still employed by the hapless Canadians - simply means more and more people migrate away from ISP daily and place their business elsewhere. My only regret is that I and my company have downloaded over 1,600 imaged from ISP until five months ago, images that now I see are available mostly elsewhere. Well as David Cameron said only yesterday 'you live and learn'. Happy days.
Good for you (and your ball-less employee)! :)
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All I can add, FWIW - is that I am actually quite proud of the fact that my account has been barred from ISP - not due to me personally as I was out of the office but an employee in the studio that quite literally, 'ripped the ****' out of the admin known as Lobo - ) I should explain, my company has a shared ISP account with ISP as customers and contributors which all of us can access for logistical reasons). For those that don't know - Lobo is the rather trigger happy and generally accepted foolish ISP admin that loves to insult and lock threads on the ISP forums when he and only he feels it necessary. When I discovered the block a few days later I have to admit I was perversely quite proud that one of my team had had the balls (although she's a design graduate without any) and the guts to take him out. Clearly he was pi**ed and barred our account, demonstrating clearly what an unprofessional character he is indeed. Needless to say since then (five months ago) we have never downloaded a single, image from ISP (and never will again) and now all my firms business is from DT, Fotolia, RF123, Veer, BigStockPhoto, Crestock, Alamy, Superstock, CanStockPhoto and Shutterstock.
Actually, I really like the fact that Lobo is still employed by the hapless Canadians - simply means more and more people migrate away from ISP daily and place their business elsewhere. My only regret is that I and my company have downloaded over 1,600 imaged from ISP until five months ago, images that now I see are available mostly elsewhere. Well as David Cameron said only yesterday 'you live and learn'. Happy days.
Interesting. You might enjoy reading this thread about others who feel the same as you;
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/buyers-bailing-on-istock/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/buyers-bailing-on-istock/)
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Good for you (and your ball-less employee)! Smiley
Thx. She's really great as an associate as well. Incredibly talented and a super graphic designer. She's beginning to develop nice skills as a reportage photographer - good eye for catching people off-guard and in natural poise. Hates iStockphoto thought all down to Lobotomy guy! Talk about negative influences at an early age! (I did actually see the site emails he sent to her - totally unacceptable)
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Hi Cogent Marketing,
I am very, very sorry your team had such a bad experience on istock. It is sad that many artists there will not have a chance to do business with you.
"I do think moderators are over protective,viewing the forum as Istockphoto's shop window as we say to the outside world"
The only comments that people remember are those of Kelly and the admins. It is their words, especially Kellyīs that get posted all over the intenet and end up in Wikipedia.
Customers are used to forums, everyone uses them the istock forums are pretty mild compared to a lot of oher forms out there. I really donīt think whatever the contributors say will be remembered.
If you are leading an important B2B site - instead of not growing the site because some admins have shown to lack forums skills, why not bring in the people who can?? imagine we had a spokesperson that could encourage the plattform and expand it?? How much more and better content would we create? And Kelly could focus on his work, instead of doing two jobs.
Besides, avoiding the forums doesnīt work anyway. People will just discus the issues you donīt like somewhere else. And then you canīt even reach out and clear up misunderstandings.
The internet has created a very transparent business world. I think this is good. Open, honest, upfront is what I like. And you can create a buzz that travels he globe, which is exciting.
I miss a lot of the lively discussions. If new talent walks through the door today - how will a quiet forum encourage them to go excusive?
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I was hoping for a more general disscusion at to why the forum has seen less activity this past year.Talking about individual Admins,who no doubt will not be able to defend themselves, is pretty crass .
For the record i've had a few site mails from Lobo these past four years..Very direct and to the point but always cival and polite.No problem with the guy what so ever.
Sorry you had your account closed though !
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Kelly is head of istock and he gets quoted all over. I donīt think mentioning him is at all surprising. It is not meant as an attack, I think reactions to his posts in sensitive situations are obvious. Whatever Mark Zuckerberg says on facebook will get quoted all over as well.
It doesnīt mean, he doesnīt work hard, I am sure he does. I think many people would love to see him participate more. In general the staff and admins are missed, as you well know.
You said yourself the forums are unusually quiet. But the people are still there and they go elsewhere for a discussion. If you say that istock prefers to have less discussions on istock because they are scared of their business reputation, I donīt see why it is better if things get discussed over here.
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I was hoping for a more general discussion at to why the forum has seen less activity this past year.Talking about individual Admins,who no doubt will not be able to defend themselves, is pretty crass .
For the record I've had a few site mails from Lobo these past four years..Very direct and to the point but always cival and polite.No problem with the guy what so ever.
Sorry you had your account closed though !
Dear Shank_ali
In response to your comment, a few points. Pretty Crass. I agree, it is pretty crass when an ISP customer posts a polite and reasonable comment on the iStockphoto forum legitimately about an important issue which is then locked immediately by an Admin (Lobotomy) without an explanation because 'they' do not agree with the content. Content that is not defamatory, not rude, not abusive and not inflammatory, simply a question about some banal typically fuzzy Istock search/best match/Content issue.
Civil and polite. You are joking. Seriously. Site mails are not seen by folks like you their only seen by the recipient. Civil and polite are not how I would describe them - I saw them.
I'm glad you like Lobo. Really, we all are. Genuine.
Clearly you don't have the bandwidth to see the damage that he and other like him are doing to ISP which is both surprising and a little disturbing, for you.
I checked out your folio on ISP, an exclusive since 2007 with only 7300 d/l'ds? I would have thought people like you in your 'fragile' position within the stock market might be a little more concerned why customers are moving away from your only source of exposure rather than being an obvious apologist for individuals like Lobo.
Perhaps you should take the advice and counsel of one of the first respondents to your thread, 'take a break and/also put a sock in it'
Oh, and finally, you don't have the luxury or the authority on a democratic forum such as this to determine how people respond to your posted comments -
(Just out of interest you don't have a pseudonym as Lobo in another place do you?)
Just that I'm recognizing some similar characteristics.....
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(Just out of interest you don't have a pseudonym as Lobo in another place do you?)
busted...
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(Just out of interest you don't have a pseudonym as Lobo in another place do you?)
busted...
Clearly is....... or busy locking threads elsewhere.....
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CORRECTION NOTICE
Actually, I really like the fact that Lobo is still employed by the hapless Canadians - simply means more and more people migrate away from ISP daily and place their business elsewhere. My only regret is that I and my company have downloaded over 1,600 imaged from ISP until five months ago, images that now I see are available mostly elsewhere. Well as David Cameron said only yesterday 'you live and learn'. Happy days.
It's actually 1,040 downloads not 1,600 from iStock. Got confused with another RF site. Apologies.
Cogent Marketing
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(Just out of interest you don't have a pseudonym as Lobo in another place do you?)
Oh no, Shankie and I, and some others here, are in the happy Land of the Lobotomised.
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Cogent - I am really sorry to hear about your (and your team member's) experience in the ISP forums. Hope you are finding what you need at the other sites you are going to now. I will never understand why Istock is so indifferent to its buyers' concerns. ???
Shank - I realize that you didn't start this thread as a place for buyers to air issues, but frankly, I think Congent Marketing has answered your original question quite handily. The liberal use of the ban hammer is a big reason that the ISP forums are so quiet. Considering you yourself have been banned, doesn't that make sense to you?
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IS had to lower overall commissions (they were told to do so). I consider dropping commissions screwing - Shank considers it prudent business. In any case, a few others agree with me and that combined with a long series of site problems raised some understandable ire and questions which IS mostly ignored for a while before they started banning people and locking threads. Some of the thread locks and bans are probably reasonable and were done reasonably. Others were not. People didn't like that and went elsewhere.
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The community on istock is a gold mine and they just give it away to the competition.
That is because American companies, in their rapacious greed, don't care about community. They are only interested in maximizing profits. They don't see the faces behind the money, they only see the faces *on* the money. And the more Benjamin Franklins they see, the better.
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Locking a thread is a moderator's function and sometimes it need to be done.
I don't post there much anymore, either as a contrib or a buyer (both functions with little participation) because my issue with the IS forums is in one word Lobo. He simply cannot lock the thread without a snarky remark, lame joke or downright rudeness. He is like a six-year-old who must get in the last snotty word and then sticks his fingers in his ears and shouts la, la, la, I can't hear you. Most other moderators simply lock threads with an explanation showing decorum and professionalism, Lobo not so much. It just makes my blood boil when he is outright rude in the guise of being funny. Perhaps that is a sign of his insecurity.
All that is left in the IS forums are the wooyayers and the lypse-iacs. Makes for a boring one-sided forum.
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The community on istock is a gold mine and they just give it away to the competition.
That is because American companies, in their rapacious greed, don't care about community. They are only interested in maximizing profits. They don't see the faces behind the money, they only see the faces *on* the money. And the more Benjamin Franklins they see, the better.
IStock is in Canada.
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The community on istock is a gold mine and they just give it away to the competition.
That is because American companies, in their rapacious greed, don't care about community. They are only interested in maximizing profits. They don't see the faces behind the money, they only see the faces *on* the money. And the more Benjamin Franklins they see, the better.
IStock is in Canada.
Which is in America - North America. Along w/ the USA and Mexico as is often pointed out to people that assume the USA = America.
edited to include: Then again, H&F and Getty, which are really the source of much of the misery and problems are from the USA as far as I know.
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Which is in America - North America. Along w/ the USA and Mexico as is often pointed out to people that assume the USA = America.
edited to include: Then again, H&F and Getty, which are really the source of much of the misery and problems are from the USA as far as I know.
You forgot South America.
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Which is in America - North America. Along w/ the USA and Mexico as is often pointed out to people that assume the USA = America.
edited to include: Then again, H&F and Getty, which are really the source of much of the misery and problems are from the USA as far as I know.
You forgot South America.
Actually I just left them out because I couldn't be sure of all the countries off the top of my head. I'm not sure they'd really want to be associated with this mess anyway.
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Then again, H&F and Getty, which are really the source of much of the misery and problems are from the USA as far as I know.
Is the correct answer.
And if someone knows of another way to say an "American" company as in a company that operates in the United States of America, I'm happy to listen. But I've never heard of anyone saying a "USAan" company.
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Cogent - I am really sorry to hear about your (and your team member's) experience in the ISP forums. Hope you are finding what you need at the other sites you are going to now. I will never understand why Istock is so indifferent to its buyers' concerns. ???
Shank - I realize that you didn't start this thread as a place for buyers to air issues, but frankly, I think Congent Marketing has answered your original question quite handily. The liberal use of the ban hammer is a big reason that the ISP forums are so quiet. Considering you yourself have been banned, doesn't that make sense to you?
Seems Cogent is still smarting from having his account closed on Istockphoto.A series of events led to that account being closed and if many people from the company had access to it why allow them to post on the forum? .Buy and use the content.
Where is the logic is posting inflamatory remarks on a companys forum (quote) ripping the P### out of Lobo) and directing them at a well respected admin of that company.It's like DUH.
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Cogent - I am really sorry to hear about your (and your team member's) experience in the ISP forums. Hope you are finding what you need at the other sites you are going to now. I will never understand why Istock is so indifferent to its buyers' concerns. ???
Shank - I realize that you didn't start this thread as a place for buyers to air issues, but frankly, I think Congent Marketing has answered your original question quite handily. The liberal use of the ban hammer is a big reason that the ISP forums are so quiet. Considering you yourself have been banned, doesn't that make sense to you?
Seems Cogent is still smarting from having his account closed on Istockphoto.A series of events led to that account being closed and if many people from the company had access to it why allow them to post on the forum? .Buy and use the content.
Where is the logic is posting inflamatory remarks on a companys forum (quote) ripping the P### out of Lobo) and directing them at a well respected admin of that company.It's like DUH.
Earth to Shank, Earth to Shank, come back to reality.
I am guessing in the words of John J. R. "They drew first blood"
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And if someone knows of another way to say an "American" company as in a company that operates in the United States of America, I'm happy to listen. But I've never heard of anyone saying a "USAan" company.
a US company <-?
Reduced contributor forum traffic likely accounts for much of the comparative Alexa etc changes which people have reported. Not that I entirely believe in Alexa. Traffic for its own sake is costly and time consuming. In that context there probably is a good case for much of the social jibber jabber moving off site. I did not get the changes at first but now I can see the point of keeping it quite formal and low key TBH. A free for all forum would make the place seem less serious as it matures as a brand.
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Cogent - I am really sorry to hear about your (and your team member's) experience in the ISP forums. Hope you are finding what you need at the other sites you are going to now. I will never understand why Istock is so indifferent to its buyers' concerns. ???
Shank - I realize that you didn't start this thread as a place for buyers to air issues, but frankly, I think Congent Marketing has answered your original question quite handily. The liberal use of the ban hammer is a big reason that the ISP forums are so quiet. Considering you yourself have been banned, doesn't that make sense to you?
Seems Cogent is still smarting from having his account closed on Istockphoto.A series of events led to that account being closed and if many people from the company had access to it why allow them to post on the forum? .Buy and use the content.
Where is the logic is posting inflammatory remarks on a company's forum (quote) ripping the P### out of Lobo) and directing them at a well respected admin of that company.It's like DUH.
Dear Shank_ali
Evidently you have not even read my original post. It really would better enable you to respond 'accurately' to postings if you actually read them first! Take a deep breath and read them again.
It might help (you) if I list chronologically the facts, as I/we see them.
THE FACTS
Cogent Marketing's account with iStockphoto is not closed - simply the ability the ability to post of the websites forum.
Access to ISP is open to all five of the people that I work with as all five of us needed access to download images etc. I do not restrict any of my colleagues access as frankly I trust them implicitly not to abuse that access. They have never let me down, not even in this instance. They have a right to stand up to bulliess and misogynistic behavior should they come across it. They would not accept that from customers let alone a supplier (that what ISP was by the way).
The series of events (as you refer to) was one single post that was not defamatory, not rude, not abusive and not inflammatory, simply a question about some banal typically fuzzy Istock search/best match/Content issue.
Up to that point, as clearly stated five months ago, we were simply downloading the content and using it. We have elected not to do so since that time.
I hope that makes our position clear.
Interestingly you completely ignore (most conveniently) the other comments directed specifically at you and your attitude to our original post.. I'll repeat it (just in case you missed it)
Clearly you don't have the bandwidth to see the damage that he and other like him are doing to ISP which is both surprising and a little disturbing, for you.
I checked out your folio on ISP, an exclusive since 2007 with only 7300 d/l'ds? I would have thought people like you in your 'fragile' position within the stock market might be a little more concerned why customers are moving away from your only source of exposure rather than being an obvious apologist for individuals like Lobo.
I completely understand why you might wish and prefer to 'skip over' comments that expose the incredulity of your position but I think others might notice that, your reputation on this site appears a little dodgy according to others that may know you better, I don't think your necessarily supporting your position by simply ignoring points made by others - you really don't want to be referred to as a bigot as well!
Equally I don't believe it helps or supports your argument by defending 'blindly' admins such as the aforementioned Lobo - you really must accept that others (not like yourself) such as customers (now there's a word) may have a different perspective to yours. Naturally you can of course argue your point with them but simply dismissing their points but is that not a little short sighted as their option is to simply go elsewhere - which we did - case in point.
Who do you think wins and who loses in that situation? (I think that's where you come in).
You're an exclusive ISP contributor. Your no doubt feeling the pinch. Where on your horizon does it look like getting better?
Oh it isn't is it? - It's just going to get worse and worse and worse and worse.......
Carry on my friend, put your little head a little deeper in the sand and dream on about how things 'used to be' at ISP and how much better those days were. Smart people have moved on and instigated definitive actions to protect their businesses and quality of life but maybe your more dinosaur by nature.
Have a great day.
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Dear Shank_ali
Evidently you have not even read my original post. It really would better enable you to respond 'accurately' to postings if you actually read them first! Take a deep breath and read them again.
It might help (you) if I list chronologically the facts, as I/we see them.
*snip*
Carry on my friend, put your little head a little deeper in the sand and dream on about how things 'used to be' at ISP and how much better those days were. Smart people have moved on and instigated definitive actions to protect their businesses and quality of life but maybe your more dinosaur by nature.
Have a great day.
Great reply but you are wasting your time on Shank. He only ever hears what he wants to hear and ignores everything else.
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Canadians always strikes me as having an American complex and I bet most of the wooyayers are in fact Canadians.
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After a while it becomes a chore trying to find any tidbits of cheer or usefulness amongst the soup of negativity on the forum - which is why I skim through these days at IS and elsewhere (including here) Also, the same names gobbing off with a comment on EVERY SINGLE THREAD is tiresome.
PS. If anyone knows how to block that muppet-brained poodle-loving twerp over at SS, I'd be grateful
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After a while it becomes a chore trying to find any tidbits of cheer or usefulness amongst the soup of negativity on the forum - which is why I skim through these days at IS and elsewhere (including here)
Soup of negativity sums it up. It's a real shame, but whose fault is it?
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Canadians always strikes me as having an American complex and I bet most of the wooyayers are in fact Canadians.
what does this even mean Christian? once again, for someone who claims to have so much worldly photography experience, this comment from you is a huge generalization. as Canada is probably the most diverse (as in multicultural) country in the world...one of the things most proud about our country is that we celebrate that diversity rather than requiring assimilation like 'melting pot' nations. painting Canadians with your broad brush just makes you look as ignorant as the blind wooyayers you referred to.
why don't you spend some time in countries before dismissively categorizing them?
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Ah but all Swedes are divorced alcoholic depressives with diabetes and blonde hair. Well at least that's the way it seems in Wallender, so it must be true.
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Cogent- " my account has been banned from ISP" =Had his posting privileges removed.Glad that's sorted out ::).Had a good day at work and picking up the grandson(9 months) later as he's staying the night.So my day should be perfect...
What your previous posts on this thread have highlighted to me and is indicative of the web today is thus:People write what they like when posting on the internet,especially on forums and blogs.If most showed the same respect and decency they would to a neighbour or friend when having a normal conversation it would make life a lot easier for people reading said posts.
Try to be accountable for what you type to a stranger ....
Hope you have a nice day also.
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"That is because American companies, in their rapacious greed, don't care about community."
Hi Cas,
here I disagreee. Most of the major internet communities com from the US. Actually everybody and their mother is desperately trying to build a community because it is amazing what you can do with it.
All these people working FOR FREE, advertising your site and products FOR FREE, networking inimately with customers and building longterm international businessrelationships FOR FREE.
Do you have any idea how expensive it is to replace all these work hours with normal, paid staff???
Have a look at this article from CNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/07/20/google.chairman.interview/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/07/20/google.chairman.interview/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)
"Looking back on his decade as Google's CEO, Eric Schmidt said the company should have focused more on connecting people -- a hole that allowed the emergence of rival internet giant Facebook.
Fundamentally, what Facebook has done is built a way to figure out who people are. That system is missing in the internet as a whole. Google should have worked on this earlier," Schmidt, now the executive chairman of Google, said in an interview with CNN."
Personalisation and interconnecting communities is the most important business trend in the internet.
Many companies have a forum, istock had a community where many people devoted endless hours to selflessly promote the community. even something as simple as creating interesting new lightboxes which send their friends and help market our images.
When was the last time you got a request to have images added to your lightboxes??
Maybe some of these people were not the "star photographers" that Getty is looking for now, but they provided the background that allowed the talent to flourish.
I really donīt understand the istock/getty management at all. The community was the most valuable asset of istock. Did they never sit down and calculate how much it will cost to replace it with traditional staff?
And what happens when sombody else builds a community (real community, not just a forum) to nurture talent?
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Canadians always strikes me as having an American complex and I bet most of the wooyayers are in fact Canadians.
what does this even mean Christian? once again, for someone who claims to have so much worldly photography experience, this comment from you is a huge generalization. as Canada is probably the most diverse (as in multicultural) country in the world...one of the things most proud about our country is that we celebrate that diversity rather than requiring assimilation like 'melting pot' nations. painting Canadians with your broad brush just makes you look as ignorant as the blind wooyayers you referred to.
why don't you spend some time in countries before dismissively categorizing them?
Stacey! I was kidding thats all ;D
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Dear Shank_ali
Evidently you have not even read my original post. It really would better enable you to respond 'accurately' to postings if you actually read them first! Take a deep breath and read them again.
It might help (you) if I list chronologically the facts, as I/we see them.
*snip*
Carry on my friend, put your little head a little deeper in the sand and dream on about how things 'used to be' at ISP and how much better those days were. Smart people have moved on and instigated definitive actions to protect their businesses and quality of life but maybe your more dinosaur by nature.
Have a great day.
Great reply but you are wasting your time on Shank. He only ever hears what he wants to hear and ignores everything else.
True that.
It seems to be his goal in life to rile up others and watch the fun.
I am new to forums, but is this what it means to be a "troll"?
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Ah but all Swedes are divorced alcoholic depressives with diabetes and blonde hair. Well at least that's the way it seems in Wallender, so it must be true.
lol. don't they have the highest suicide rate in the world? I've been to Gotheborg...and spent about two weeks in different parts of Denmark too.....both beautiful countries from what I saw, people didn't seem too depressed ;)
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Ah but all Swedes are divorced alcoholic depressives with diabetes and blonde hair. Well at least that's the way it seems in Wallender, so it must be true.
lol. don't they have the highest suicide rate in the world? ...
Not even close - if you buy the data in this chart. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)
They didn't even make it into the top 10 :)
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I was remembering this....http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/happiest-places-post-highest-suicide-rates/ (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/happiest-places-post-highest-suicide-rates/)
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"That is because American companies, in their rapacious greed, don't care about community."
Hi Cas,
here I disagreee. Most of the major internet communities com from the US. Actually everybody and their mother is desperately trying to build a community because it is amazing what you can do with it.
All these people working FOR FREE, advertising your site and products FOR FREE, networking inimately with customers and building longterm international businessrelationships FOR FREE.
I know you are not from the US, so I can understand how you don't quite understand my cynicism, but as someone who lives here, trust me, they don't care. Like I said, they don't see the faces of the people in the community, they only see the faces on the money they are making from the community. Building a community is a lot different than *caring* about a community. Sure the companies want people to do stuff for them for free, but the authenticity on the part of the company is not there.
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I know you are not from the US, so I can understand how you don't quite understand my cynicism, but as someone who lives here, trust me, they don't care.
An emphatic +1 to that ^^
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You forgot South America.
Actually I just left them out because I couldn't be sure of all the countries off the top of my head. I'm not sure they'd really want to be associated with this mess anyway.
We are Americans too. That's what I always have to remind a USA'er when they say "America" when they really mean "USA". :D
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Oh, I am sure they donīt care!!! :-)
But they have to understand the dynamics how a community works and what people want to make it work! I am not interested in the plattform managers, I am interested in reaching the people that I would like to connect with. Which is good for my business and good for my circles as well.
The owners, managers can drive rolly royces and bathe in liquid gold, as far as i am concerned.
It is precisely because istock was such a brilliant b2b plattform that i donīt understand why they are not paying attention to it.
They should hire professional community builders to expand it.
Like I said - people were working their asses of for free. What more do you want from a business point? Something like that is paradise!
I just donīt see the business logic in their recent decisions. And we are all seeing the traffic move to Shutterstock as a result.
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But from my experience with US companies I know that they sometimes have amazing short term thinking. Also extremely high turnover of staff.
But they compensate by being extremely flexible. Unfortunately they will often stick to a silly decision until it is too late and significant money is lost. Then they fire someone and finally implement the changes that I as a business partner was demanding for 8 months...
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"That is because American companies, in their rapacious greed, don't care about community."
here I disagreee. Most of the major internet communities com from the US. Actually everybody and their mother is desperately trying to build a community because it is amazing what you can do with it....
... they don't see the faces of the people in the community, they only see the faces on the money they are making from the community. ..
I wish I could disagree with caspixel, but sadly, what she says is the way the vast majority of US companies are. Social media and communities are the latest fad and they're trying to exploit that as eagerly as they can. For the most part, US companies are pretty energetic in pursuing opportunity.
Long term thinking, community involvement & responsibility and partnership between executives and the company workforce are very little in evidence at the moment. When the company's exploiting a fad, people can certainly benefit from that for as long as it lasts, but you need a plan B for what to do when they move on because those pesky communities aren't as easy to control and sell stuff to as you first thought.
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"because those pesky communities aren't as easy to control and sell stuff to as you first thought" that and also the amazing transparency that the internet brings forces companies to be a lot more balanced than before.
No more wheeling and dealing behind closed doors. Someone will always talk and then it gets released worldwide. And will be discussed in all social media networks.
The future lies with companies who understand how to create win-win plattforms.
Oherwise the crowd just moves on. The next offer is just a mouseclick away...;-)
Companies in Europe arenīt any more ethical. We just have so many more restrictions that companies have to think more long term. Which makes them less flexible.
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You forgot South America.
Actually I just left them out because I couldn't be sure of all the countries off the top of my head. I'm not sure they'd really want to be associated with this mess anyway.
We are Americans too. That's what I always have to remind a USA'er when they say "America" when they really mean "USA". :D
And Canadians are American's also, as are Mexican's and many others in Central America and South America.
Typical stereotyping of "American's" as fat greedy *insult removed*, driving big fat gas guzzling cars. Hmm, maybe it's not a stereotype after all? :D
Problem is not Getty or IS it's H&F who own them and they are an investment company, which means they aren't in this for the long term. The idea is buy, pump it up, dump it for a profit. Easy way to make a quick profit? Cut expenses, cut commissions, and basically screw the artists!
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um, no, we're not Americans....we're North American......big difference.
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um, no, we're not Americans....we're North American......big difference.
North Americans are a sub-group of Americans. When we say Columbus discovered America, we refer to the whole continent, even if he's been in just a tiny part of it.
I think Brits also have this thing of referring to the rest of Europe as "continent" or even "Europe", isn't it? As if they were not part of it.
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subgroup, huh? I think you may wish to get an atlas. If you're referring to the term "The Americas" that is not the same as saying part of America. "America" refers to one nation, the USA. Canada is not a 'subgroup' of anything, it is one of the nations making up the continent of North America.
Columbus stumbled upon what is now Central America, a subcontinent of NA.
England is part of Europe but they (and other European islanders) sometimes refer to "Continental Europe".
Please read a book about Canada ;)
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The Istock forum will never again be the place it once was.Sad for some but of no concern to the majority.The negatives have outweighed the posatives these past 18 months.They will be further developments this year.I might of inadvertly mentioned some of those in the Istock forum and a slight panic ensued along the line of me being a whistle blower.That was never going to be the case...
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Geologic time does run a bit slow, but shifting tectonic plates will take care of all this nitpicking about who is a subset of whom. Scotland and North America were once attached (http://www.platetectonics.com/book/page_6.asp). The Atlantic has done more than Hadrian's Wall as a barrier though :)
Was there some misunderstanding that needed to get cleared up, or was this just a riff on not liking people referring to the US as America? I don't like the attitude or policies at H&F or GI. I don't like them more or less regardless of where they're located. Wouldn't want to lose sight of the bigger point in a squabble over geographic terminology.
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Ah but all Swedes are divorced alcoholic depressives with diabetes and blonde hair. Well at least that's the way it seems in Wallender, so it must be true.
lol. don't they have the highest suicide rate in the world? I've been to Gotheborg...and spent about two weeks in different parts of Denmark too.....both beautiful countries from what I saw, people didn't seem too depressed ;)
Not now but in the 70s I think the swedes toped the list, yeah, people have it too good in this country, you know, no wares for about 300 years, etc, politicians are rubbish, so is the climate, apart from that, yes its a beautyful country but it doesnt beat the beauty of the Canadian wilderness.
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"The Istock forum will never again be the place it once was.Sad for some but of no concern to the majority.The negatives have outweighed the posatives these past 18 months.They will be further developments this year.I might of inadvertly mentioned some of those in the Istock forum and a slight panic ensued along the line of me being a whistle blower.That was never going to be the case..."
The forum is a business tool, how can doing business be negative??
The customers are not going over to Shutterstock because they like the Shutterstock forum more. There is very little forum traffic compared to before but that is not bringing the customers back.
Are you trying to say that they are planning to close the forums down???
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"The Istock forum will never again be the place it once was.Sad for some but of no concern to the majority.The negatives have outweighed the posatives these past 18 months.They will be further developments this year.I might of inadvertly mentioned some of those in the Istock forum and a slight panic ensued along the line of me being a whistle blower.That was never going to be the case..."
The forum is a business tool, how can doing business be negative??
The customers are not going over to Shutterstock because they like the Shutterstock forum more. There is very little forum traffic compared to before but that is not bringing the customers back.
Are you trying to say that they are planning to close the forums down???
I would take just about everything shank is saying with a big big grain of salt...in London, at one seminar we all had a brief discussion about the tone communication (or lack of it) has taken in the forums. a few contributors expressed their frustration with forum communication and TPTB responded with feedback about their perspective, and that was that. Shank seems to think he was privy to all sorts of big secrets...guess the rest of us must have been snoozing during those disclosures ;)
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What a fuss about nothing.
The 'Good old days' in the Istock forum consisted mostly of sycophants wooyaying and telling each other and the admins how great they were.
I used to drop in occasionally, and leave feeling sick.
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What a fuss about nothing.
The 'Good old days' in the Istock forum consisted mostly of sycophants wooyaying and telling each other and the admins how great they were.
I used to drop in occasionally, and leave feeling sick.
That's the truth! It didn't do them any good either __ they got stuffed same as the rest of us.
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But they have to understand the dynamics how a community works and what people want to make it work! I am not interested in the plattform managers, I am interested in reaching the people that I would like to connect with. Which is good for my business and good for my circles as well.
The problem is, they are so myopic in their thinking, they don't care about YOU reaching people YOU want to connect with. Business may be utilizing this tool, but it's pretty obvious when they are not being authentic, at least in my opinion. Take for instance, BP's Facebook page during the oil spill last year. They'd be posting about how great things were going and what a good job they were doing cleaning up the mess they created, but it was so clearly just marketing propaganda. Sure there were some BP evangelists - probably on the payroll - but the vast majority of people could see all that information was just superficial tactics to try to hoodwink the public.
"because those pesky communities aren't as easy to control and sell stuff to as you first thought" that and also the amazing transparency that the internet brings forces companies to be a lot more balanced than before.
No more wheeling and dealing behind closed doors. Someone will always talk and then it gets released worldwide. And will be discussed in all social media networks.
You would think, wouldn't you?! But from where I sit, it seems like they are trying to be even less transparent. And when someone blows the whistle on them, they launch a whole media campaign to discredit any critics and announce to the world how wonderful they are. I have to laugh every time I see a bank or natural gas or oil company commercial on TV telling me how much they care about me.
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"The Istock forum will never again be the place it once was.Sad for some but of no concern to the majority.The negatives have outweighed the posatives these past 18 months.They will be further developments this year.I might of inadvertly mentioned some of those in the Istock forum and a slight panic ensued along the line of me being a whistle blower.That was never going to be the case..."
The forum is a business tool, how can doing business be negative??
The customers are not going over to Shutterstock because they like the Shutterstock forum more. There is very little forum traffic compared to before but that is not bringing the customers back.
Are you trying to say that they are planning to close the forums down???
I would take just about everything shank is saying with a big big grain of salt...in London, at one seminar we all had a brief discussion about the tone communication (or lack of it) has taken in the forums. a few contributors expressed their frustration with forum communication and TPTB responded with feedback about their perspective, and that was that. Shank seems to think he was privy to all sorts of big secrets...guess the rest of us must have been snoozing during those disclosures ;)
+1
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What a fuss about nothing.
The 'Good old days' in the Istock forum consisted mostly of sycophants wooyaying and telling each other and the admins how great they were.
I used to drop in occasionally, and leave feeling sick.
That's the truth! It didn't do them any good either __ they got stuffed same as the rest of us.
Is there an acronym for 'rureful LOL'? Because you just hit the nail on the head.
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I'm guessing things that have a 'code name' are not supposed to be talked about?
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subgroup, huh? I think you may wish to get an atlas. If you're referring to the term "The Americas" that is not the same as saying part of America. "America" refers to one nation, the USA. Canada is not a 'subgroup' of anything, it is one of the nations making up the continent of North America.
Columbus stumbled upon what is now Central America, a subcontinent of NA.
Central America is a "subcontinent of North America"? Not in my atlas. South, Central and North Americas are part of the American continent or America. Maybe in English you don't have "America" for the whole continent, but we do in Portuguese and Spanish, and it's Amérique in French. If America was USA, it would not say "United States of America", it's redundant.
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subgroup, huh? I think you may wish to get an atlas. If you're referring to the term "The Americas" that is not the same as saying part of America. "America" refers to one nation, the USA. Canada is not a 'subgroup' of anything, it is one of the nations making up the continent of North America.
Columbus stumbled upon what is now Central America, a subcontinent of NA.
Maria: I see you're in Brazil....it seems that in North America and most of Europe, we go by the 7 continent model. If you are living in South America or other parts of the world, it seems you use a 4 or 5 continent model. so I apologize for being so snarky if this is simply a regional thing. Though your comments about Canada are fairly inflammatory. I suppose according to our respective locations and education, that explains the difference. In north America, we use a 7 continent model and it is the 7 continent model that is used by the global scientific community FYI.
and as JoAnn pointed out, we're digressing. I wouldn't want to take away from this important discussion any further.
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I know what you mean.
When the Nuclear Reactors in Japan broke down I found myself with all kinds of nuclear fanboy engineers on the internet. When you come with real facts they immediatly disappear but until then it was all"oh nuclear power is soooo safe, this is just a little bump and it can never happen in the usa...the germans are all hystercial...ups, Angela Merkel is a physicist...oh...eh...and gone..."
But still compared to any other time in world history we all have amazing access to information and communication. The truth gets out a lot faster than it used to. If people want to hear it....thatīs a different thing...
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When the Nuclear Reactors in Japan broke down I found myself with all kinds of nuclear fanboy engineers on the internet. When you come with real facts they immediatly disappear but until then it was all"oh nuclear power is soooo safe, this is just a little bump and it can never happen in the usa...the germans are all hystercial...ups, Angela Merkel is a physicist...oh...eh...and gone..."
But still compared to any other time in world history we all have amazing access to information and communication. The truth gets out a lot faster than it used to. If people want to hear it....thatīs a different thing...
<Sigh> There's no such thing as the totally safe megawatt. No more than a handful of people have ever been killed or maimed by nuclear power. That's probably about how many Chinese coal miners died today, not to mention the environmental damage.
Germany is simply planning to import a higher proportion of it's future electricity from French nuclear power stations instead. Very laudable.
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Though your comments about Canada are fairly inflammatory.
I've been making this joke with Canadians for years, and you're the first to feel offended. So there seems to be different concepts about the continents, and I've learned that the Olympic rings are the five continents (And Antarctica was not considered a continent years ago).
I do agree we had too much of this discussion already.
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"No more than a handful of people have ever been killed or maimed by nuclear power."
Youīve just conveniently ignored 700 000 Russian soldiers who were sent in to deconatminante the area around Tschernobyl. Many dead or ill today. All the additional cancers in greater Europe from the fallout estimated to be over 1 Mio cases, notable spike in birth defects 9 months after Tschernobyl. Oh and in Japan the situation is still so bad that many areas cannot be entered by humans. The heroic Fukushima techies they are sending in know they are dying live on TV.
And if health isnīt an issue for you - how about economics. Radioactive waste contaminates areas for decades, making products grown in this area unsellable as you are watching in Japan right now - beef, vegetables even green tea from plantations more than 400 km away from the plant have to be destroyed.
Real estate that is contaminated has to be evacuated and obviously has no market value, no matter how big your house was. How many thousands of people are living in shelters in Japan today?
And then the general damage to the industry when in Japan several atomic plants cannot be used. Japan is having a huge loss across all industries that need a lot of power. Power cuts are being scheduled, work shifts moved to nights and week-ends.
And long term economic outlook for contaminated areas? Who on earth is going to build and invest in businesses around radioactive plants. etc...etc...just because you cannot see or smell radioactivity doesnīt mean it canīt be devastating.
Germany is not planning to live of French power (would be pretty stupid). There is a huge, clean energy industry thriving here. Solar, wind, thermal, fuel cells - we have it all. And we will happily export it which will continue to grow jobs locally.
In Japan the situation hasnīt even been brought under control yet. They are HOPING to cover the damaged buildings so they stop emitting nuclear waste by January 2012. The dismanteling of the reactors is estimated to take 30 years or more.
But if you are looking for a job I am sure there are a lot of very well paid clean up positions available in Japan today.
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Well, now this thread is really off topic :-)
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Sorry for being so blunt but what ** happened...
When i joined Istock in 2007 the forum was a hive of activity.It was bustling with new threads and lots of comments posted by the community of artists and staff.
What's caused its demise?
Maybe it is due to people (like you) continually spouting pointless drivel? Looks to me as if you are now having the same effect over here too. It just becomes hard work wading through all the nonsense to read the posts of people who actually have something to say. Sorry for being so blunt ...
I can only speculate but it may have something to do with slash in commissions, massive clawback of royalties, the large numbers of people who have been banned and even larger number of locked threads - preventing contributors from getting answers to some very real questions.
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Sorry for being so blunt but what ** happened...
When i joined Istock in 2007 the forum was a hive of activity.It was bustling with new threads and lots of comments posted by the community of artists and staff.
What's caused its demise?
Maybe it is due to people (like you) continually spouting pointless drivel? Looks to me as if you are now having the same effect over here too. It just becomes hard work wading through all the nonsense to read the posts of people who actually have something to say. Sorry for being so blunt ...
I can only speculate but it may have something to do with slash in commissions, massive clawback of royalties, the large numbers of people who have been banned and even larger number of locked threads - preventing contributors from getting answers to some very real questions.
aka specimens like the infamous LOBO. He'll probably see this post and wear it as a badge of honor. Just shows what a complete knob***d he is and how he has significantly contributed to the current demise of ISP. Getty should fire his ***
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subgroup, huh? I think you may wish to get an atlas. If you're referring to the term "The Americas" that is not the same as saying part of America. "America" refers to one nation, the USA. Canada is not a 'subgroup' of anything, it is one of the nations making up the continent of North America.
^^ This is my understanding too Stacey :)
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aka specimens like the infamous LOBO. He'll probably see this post and wear it as a badge of honor. Just shows what a complete knob***d he is and how he has significantly contributed to the current demise of ISP. Getty should fire his ***
Exactly. Has any company in history lost more good will in a shorter time than Getty/IS?
And what did they get in return for throwing away the loyalty of so many suppliers and customers? Anything? What has been the purpose of the Peeberts and Lobos over there? And all the anti-contributor and anti-customer policies? What is management thinking?
I just don't get. It seems to me that small children could have run iStock better than it has been run. That IS continues to exist at all, after the decisions they have made, is testimony to the advantage that being first in a new marketplace gives.