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Title: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 06:03: Hi, now with all the Creative Networking going on IS in the last day, I got an idea. Usually most of us have images which are great, often much better than those with lots of dls, but themselves have no dls and almost not a lot of views. Often the reason is, that these images just get buried under thousends of other images, and the people who are searching for these images have allmost no chance of finding them. I think that is one reason why istock came up with the rating. However if people do not see this images how should they get good ratings. So the thought came to my mind, that we post an image we think is totally neglected. And the people of this forum can decide if they want to rate it on Istock. What do you think of this?
It would also be nice to know how that will increase the dls. So people who will post an image should give feedback how well it sold after the rating.
Who wants to be the first? :)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: CJPhoto on January 25, 2007, 06:14: why dont you host a lightbox. set some loose rules. no more than 10DL?? and less than 5?? ratings. We can send you links and you can add them. We can then go look at the photos all in one place and rate if we think they are worthy. they then drop out of the light box after 6 months (not sure if this statistic is avaliable though?.

NOt so much a lightbox to get sales but one to showcase forgot photos in the hope that someone thinks they are worthy or a rating.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: epixx on January 25, 2007, 06:25: Sounds like a good idea :)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: snem on January 25, 2007, 06:30: yeah! I have also some good shots that some antagonist rated "1" to put them out of business...
an example?

(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2539740/2/istockphoto_2539740_ruins_of_a_temple_in_pompeii_italy.jpg)
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2539740 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2539740)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 06:41: Thats a good idea CJPhoto. I think I will do this. however as far as I know in the beginning I need at least 20 images to go public. If you have keyword ideas for the lightbox, I would be happy.
Do you know if there is a possibility if more than one person can manage a lightbox? I do not know if I allways have time to look after it..
I will take your advice regarding the rules.
I will set up the following rules:
To be accepted the image should have no more than 10Dls, less than 5 ratings. When the image reaches 50 Dls sooner or later, depends how much time I have, it will be removed. Should I accept every image according to the choice of the people who send me the links?
The reason I ask, I think I will not allways agree that the images people think are neglected are really neglected. I do not want people to get mad at me, like they do at the reviewers (the poor guys :))
Any comments regarding the rules or about this idea?
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Opla on January 25, 2007, 06:44: When you manage the lightbox, it ways:

"To allow other members to administrate a lightbox, click the number under the admin column, and search for the member you wish to add."

I'll help...
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 06:51: Thankyou Opla :) I found it, so who wants to volunteer? Maybe someone with good English experience (to correct my description of the lightbox, I am German) and who has some experience in photography (who knows if an image is really neglected).
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: snem on January 25, 2007, 06:54: I'm a volunteer! but with no good english (I'm italian...) ::) and only a bit of experience in photography! ;D But... I'm a volunteer!
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 25, 2007, 07:08: I volunteer...
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Opla on January 25, 2007, 07:34: I think the image should have been online for an amount of time.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 25, 2007, 07:46: Quote from: Opla on January 25, 2007, 07:34
I think the image should have been online for an amount of time.

This is where it gets a little tricky.

For an image to be truly "neglected", I would agree that it should be online a while.

But the Best Match sort algorithm places newer images at the front.

So if your image is neglected and you wait too long, no amount of 5s might be able to resurrect it.

Anyhow, what is your suggestion for the amount of time?
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Opla on January 25, 2007, 07:53: It is tricky, that's why I didn't include a suggestion ;)
Let's say 1 month?
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: sharpshot on January 25, 2007, 07:55: This one of Nelson's Column has no ratings and zero downloads.

I can help with the lightbox, if you need another person.

(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2517110/2/istockphoto_2517110_nelson_s_column_trafalgar_square_london.jpg)

http://tinyurl.com/ytbfbd (http://tinyurl.com/ytbfbd)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 07:56: 1 Month, yes that was my thought too! Snem and Geopappas are in. Thank You guys! I think three are enough for now. But thanx for the offer sharpshot!
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 25, 2007, 08:11: How many images can an artist submit?
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 08:32: Well lets say, 3 max in the beginning. That is not much, but lets remember they really should be neglected and should be good images. That should be a good lightbox, if the lightbox quality is bad than it wont work as well, I think. Also lets say if one of us has doubts wether to accept an image he should ask another admin who manages the lightbox.
Lets say the image should be older than a mont with in the average not more than 2dls a month an one rating a month. The maximum should be 10dls and 5 ratings. Images will be removed after they reach 50dls.
Is that ok? I think we can start with this. We might change the rules whenever we think they are not good enough. Please do not be mad with us, if we do not accept every image..
You can send as your image links via sitemail. So we will try to stick roughly to it. "Loose rules" as CJPhoto proposed
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Peiling on January 25, 2007, 10:40: maybe those who are in charge of the lighgbox say 5 people need to agree that the photo should be added in? Majority wins or if say 1 person dont like the photo, it wont be added in the lightbox? Dont know, just throwing in a spanner
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: snem on January 25, 2007, 10:56: I'm adding 3 of the best neglected photo of those who are in my CN. Feel free to comment here the lightbox so I can remove or add photos by yours suggestions. The lightbox will become public soon (there are 13 images at the moment)...
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: tdoes on January 25, 2007, 11:22: How should we submit photos to you for your lightbox?
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 11:26: Send us a sitemail with a link here or at IS: Our names are Snem, Geopappas and ColdImages @IS.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: jacus on January 25, 2007, 11:26: I volunteer...
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2007, 11:59: this sounds like a good idea guys. Let me know if i can help anyway.

I could set up a board here that only the admin's for the lightbox could see for example if that would help (so they could discuss photos or something)

now, off to find some forgotten photos. :)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2007, 12:05: here are my three

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1383880 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1383880)

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1651797 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1651797)

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1579824 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1579824)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 12:21: Thanx guys for offering all that help!! By the way the lightbox is public now!! http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=1546103
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: jacus on January 25, 2007, 12:41: A lot of great images. It was an excellent idea. Thank you guys.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: snem on January 25, 2007, 12:44: Quote from: leaf on January 25, 2007, 12:05
here are my three

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1383880[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1383880[/url])

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1651797[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1651797[/url])

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1579824[/url] ([url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1579824[/url])

leaf, I have already added 3 of your photos, I have preferred those with low downloads. Do you think is better to publicize photos which already download?
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2007, 12:52: no, not neccesarily. I just picked three that weren't that old and had under 10 downloads.. The ones you picked were fine as well, thanks.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: beisea on January 25, 2007, 13:59: Here are mine:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/business/real_estate/house_shopping/2008244_guest_bedroom_2.php?id=2008244

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/flora/plant_life/flowers_and_foliage/2038045_beautiful_tulip_field.php?id=2038045

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/gender/female/girls/2075983_beautiful_asian_girl_no_6.php?id=2075983

All those over six month with no download
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: madelaide on January 25, 2007, 15:20: One thing I don't understand: we're having a lightbox of mixed subjects?

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2007, 15:25: it sounds like it. A light box can be anything so why not?

A lightbox of 'missed images' is just a fair as a lightbox of another subject.

Dreamstime has a 'missed images' section on their front page for example.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 25, 2007, 15:53: Quote from: madelaide on January 25, 2007, 15:20
One thing I don't understand: we're having a lightbox of mixed subjects?

No, not really. The subject is "neglected images".
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: madelaide on January 25, 2007, 16:13: My three:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1610105
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1514761
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1351496

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Greg Boiarsky on January 25, 2007, 16:20: How about these? I sent a site mail:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/celebrations/special_days_holidays_and_festivals/mother_s_day/1567025_apple_blossoms_in_child_s_hands.php?id=1567025
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/why/emotional_concepts/love/1520330_wedding_rings.php?id=1520330
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/flora/plant_life/mushrooms/1818239_mushrooms_in_the_forest.php?id=1818239
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 25, 2007, 16:56: They are all in, feel free to rate them :) If everyone who contributes images rates other images of the lightbox he/she thinks they are worthy to be rated 5, it will be good for everyone.
Currently there are 50 images in the lightbox.
Good night!
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: berryspun on January 25, 2007, 17:22: Thank you Freezingpic, Snem, and Geopappas for taking the time to build this lightbox, and also thank you to all the photographers who are taking the time to put the 5 stars for the pics they like. Very well appreciated.

Here is the direct link for the lightbox:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&lightboxID=1546103
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: leaf on January 25, 2007, 18:04: thanks for all your work lightbox admins

I have rated my fav's as 5's... and will look through it again now that there is more pics.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: madelaide on January 25, 2007, 18:42: I had to go to IE to see the lightbox. For some reason, NS now aborts when I load any IS page.

Some great shots there. It's a pleasure to give ratings.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: MiguelAngelo on January 25, 2007, 19:24: My 3 pics

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2515492 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2515492)

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2612516 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2612516)

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2347425 (http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2347425)

Thank you guys for this nice idea and great work
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Peiling on January 26, 2007, 05:12: Here are my three

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/society/politics/national_security/2097917_aircraft_front_of_skyhawk.php?id=2097917

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/when/daytime/1917578_red_chilli.php?id=1917578

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/what/life/nature/1877426_river_runs_through_it_himalaya_valley.php?id=1877426
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 26, 2007, 05:27: MiguelAngelo & Peiling:

Your images have been added.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: MiguelAngelo on January 26, 2007, 05:44: I saw them, Thank you
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Inger Anne Hulbækdal on January 26, 2007, 09:07: Here are mine:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2397151

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2034725

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1906006

Inger

BTW I want to rate images in the lightbox, but I must be doing something wrong as I only find two images when I open it.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 26, 2007, 10:12: Quote from: iahulbak on January 26, 2007, 09:07
Here are mine:

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2397151[/url]

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2034725[/url]

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=1906006[/url]

Your images have been added...
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: admart01 on January 27, 2007, 06:43: this is a great idea -- I've looked through a few and here's three of mine.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/what/specific_objects/everyday_items/1077339_quiet_conversations.php?id=1077339

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/people_specific_attributes/body_parts/feet/1352003_tootsies.php?id=1352003

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup/general_home_items/bedroom_items/chairs/2675512_tables_and_chairs.php?id=2675512
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 27, 2007, 07:47: Hi Admart,

I picked two of them, because the last one has still over a week to go before it is older than a month. Thats what we decided on, when images should be considered neglected.. I will try to remember and add it in 10 days or so..

Does anyone knows how much views you have to have to get a rank in the most popular lightboxes? I though that might be possible, because so many people are looking at it. Currently we have 377 views and 67 files :-)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: madelaide on January 27, 2007, 13:18: Quote from: iahulbak on January 26, 2007, 09:07
BTW I want to rate images in the lightbox, but I must be doing something wrong as I only find two images when I open it.

That's curious, I see 66.

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: red_moon_rise on January 27, 2007, 13:40: Hi Guys and Gals,

Just delurked but Coldimages already added my 3 images but I have not figured out a way to easily keep track of specific lightboxes on IS - bookmarking? or do I have to create individual bookmarks in my browser?

Hi GeoPappas I found your tag on the map and I am in Chapel Hill:)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on January 27, 2007, 19:02: Hi red_moon,

on the right side is a link to the neglected images lightbox thanxs to Leaf :)
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: mjp on January 28, 2007, 05:36: Hi,

thanks for the great idea! Here are few of mine (I hope I understand rules corretly)

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2558144
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2450459
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2576843

br, Mikko P.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on January 28, 2007, 06:48: Quote from: mjp on January 28, 2007, 05:36
Here are few of mine (I hope I understand rules corretly)

[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2558144[/url]
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2450459[/url]
[url]http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=2576843[/url]

Your images have been added...
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: admart01 on January 28, 2007, 09:59: Thanks and oops (that's what I get for doing a partial read-through)

Like the notion of the lightbox and will keep checking as the new images from others are added. Also appreciate the invite on the CN. I see I'm not the only one who as more than one name -- don't know why I do that :D

Quote from: Freezingpictures on January 27, 2007, 07:47
Hi Admart,

I picked two of them, because the last one has still over a week to go before it is older than a month. Thats what we decided on, when images should be considered neglected.. I will try to remember and add it in 10 days or so..
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: madelaide on January 28, 2007, 12:02: Quote from: Freezingpictures on January 27, 2007, 19:02
on the right side is a link to the neglected images lightbox thanxs to Leaf :)

Neat! I love this group. Thank you Leaf!

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: Freezingpictures on February 03, 2007, 05:20: Does anyone got some dls of their neglected images? I got one, but I do not know if that was because of the rating or the lightbox.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: GeoPappas on February 03, 2007, 07:03: Quote from: Freezingpictures on February 03, 2007, 05:20
Does anyone got some dls of their neglected images? I got one, but I do not know if that was because of the rating or the lightbox.

I was wondering the same thing, but I think it is too early for any conclusions. I was going to give it at least a month.

I have gotten two total downloads for two photos (one download each), but they don't seem to be out of the norm for those photos.
Title: Re: The neglected images
Post by: madelaide on February 03, 2007, 11:40: I did an experiment with a colleague at IS last month, each of us picked 10 images for the other to rate. In my case, I picked non-selling images of series that had sold. So far 3 of the 10 sold, but I can't say it's conclusive.

I believe none of the images I chose for the Neglected Images Lightbox sold recently.

Regards,
Adelaide