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donding

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« Reply #125 on: December 08, 2010, 13:11 »
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You know the way I look at it....If you spend 8 hours making sure that photo shoot is right on and only upload the best of the best...I don't think it matters if you have 1000 or 10000 pictures online. Those 1000 photos can net you the same revenues as someone who has 10000. It all boils down to quality and having some knowledge about what sells.

I'm not taking sides here, it's just the way I look at it.


« Reply #126 on: December 08, 2010, 13:13 »
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@jamirae and shadysue

I was just about to 'bingo' that myself.  So... err... double-bingo!

Make it a triple :)

lisafx

« Reply #127 on: December 08, 2010, 13:18 »
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 Over here in the US, we're tired of Fraiser re-runs, but we watch Top Gear re-runs endlessly ;D

So true!  And Dr. Who :D

lisafx

« Reply #128 on: December 08, 2010, 13:27 »
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If they can make us all work like drones while our profitability goes down, they're laughing all the way to the bank.

^^This really sums it up perfectly, IMO.

With such an inequitable royalty distribution, we are all just working our butts off to put money in Getty's coffers.  The harder we work, the more money we make for them.  Much less so for ourselves. 

« Reply #129 on: December 08, 2010, 13:37 »
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molka

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« Reply #130 on: December 08, 2010, 13:40 »
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95% of the images that are produced are no better or worse than a dozen others of identical subjects that are already in the collection and all the frenzied image production activity is doing is allowing submitters to jostle with each other for search engine position.

Istock's business would probably be better and more sustainable with 10,000 absolutely superb files entering the collection each month and no dross than it is with the avalanche it has at the moment that sometimes buries the occasional gem so deep, so fast that it vanishes forever.

But that's the nature of microstock, so what you gonna do? I hope for gods sake it doesn't need explanation why the micro model outlaws uniqeness and originality... you never know tho: I do see dumbos in site's forums going around giving advice to newcomers like "be original and unique" over and over again, while one thread away someone asking about 'how to get more sales' is told that pictures have to be as generic as possible to get a lot of dls. Are people really that stupid that they don't se the oximoron there?? Unbeleivable. : >  It's not hard to see how that makes this unsustainable for contributors on a longer term. And for the 100th time: microstock's death is the inspection / acceptance system.  There's nothing else they can do with clueless, art-uneducated 'inspectors' than set up a technical quality barrier and nothing else.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2010, 14:08 by molka »

lisafx

« Reply #131 on: December 08, 2010, 13:43 »
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and yes, OF COURSE your sales numbers have to move up with your portfolio growth. that's stating the obvious.

I'm sorry, but this is just untrue.  By any of the standards you have laid out I should be keeping my 20% royalty rate at Istock.  I upload an average of 100 images per month, I have a portfolio over 6k high-production-value shots, I am one of only a handful of black diamonds (only a couple of us are non-exclusive), and yet in spite of growing my portfolio by over 1100 in 2010, my sales at Istockphoto have dropped 16% in the past year.  

So no matter how hard you work, how much you grow your portfolio, how high quality your work is, how long you have been on the site, etc., Istock is still quite willing to screw you over.  This new system is rigged.  They control the best match, so they control how well you sell, and can turn sales off or on certain groups of contributors like a faucet.  This is not a meritocracy anymore.  It's not even a lottery.  It's a rigged game of chance.  

« Reply #132 on: December 08, 2010, 13:48 »
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95% of the images that are produced are no better or worse than a dozen others of identical subjects that are already in the collection and all the frenzied image production activity is doing is allowing submitters to jostle with each other for search engine position.

Istock's business would probably be better and more sustainable with 10,000 absolutely superb files entering the collection each month and no dross than it is with the avalanche it has at the moment that sometimes buries the occasional gem so deep, so fast that it vanishes forever.

But that's the nature of microstock, so what you gonna do? I hope for gods sake it doesn't need explanation why the micro model outlaws uniqeness and originality... you never know tho: I do see dumbos in site's forums going around giving advice to newcomers like "be original and unique" over and over again, while one thread away someone asking about 'how to get more sales' is told that pictures have to be as generic as possible to get a lot of dls. Are people really that stupid that they don't se the oximoron there?? Unbeleivable. : >  It's not hard to see how that makes this unsustainable for contributors on a longer term. And for the 100th time: microstock's death is the inspection / acceptance system.  There's nothing else they can do with clueless, art-uneducated 'inspectors' than set up a technical quality barrier and nothing else.

You misquoted. That was BaldricksTrousers. Not me.

« Reply #133 on: December 08, 2010, 13:52 »
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and yes, OF COURSE your sales numbers have to move up with your portfolio growth. that's stating the obvious.

I'm sorry, but this is just untrue.  By any of the standards you have laid out I should be keeping my 20% royalty rate at Istock.  I upload an average of 100 images per month, I have a portfolio over 6k high-production-value shots, I am one of only a handful of black diamonds (only a couple of us are non-exclusive), and yet in spite of growing my portfolio by over 1100 in 2010, my sales at Istockphoto have dropped 16% in the past year.  

So no matter how hard you work, how much you grow your portfolio, how high quality your work is, how long you have been on the site, etc., Istock is still quite willing to screw you over.  This new system is rigged.  They control the best match, so they control how well you sell, and can turn sales off or on certain groups of contributors like a faucet.  This is not a meritocracy anymore.  It's not even a lottery.  It's a rigged game of chance.  

I'm mystified that despite these plain and unsavory facts, people still think otherwise.

molka

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« Reply #134 on: December 08, 2010, 14:03 »
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...growing my portfolio by over 1100 in 2010...
 

" 71731 new stock photos added this week"

and it's almost all generic. Are the chinese getting in on buying stock? If not, It's juts thinner and thinner slices of the same pie for the crowd that's 'sourced'

molka

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« Reply #135 on: December 08, 2010, 14:10 »
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95% of the images that are produced are no better or worse than a dozen others of identical subjects that are already in the collection and all the frenzied image production activity is doing is allowing submitters to jostle with each other for search engine position.

Istock's business would probably be better and more sustainable with 10,000 absolutely superb files entering the collection each month and no dross than it is with the avalanche it has at the moment that sometimes buries the occasional gem so deep, so fast that it vanishes forever.

But that's the nature of microstock, so what you gonna do? I hope for gods sake it doesn't need explanation why the micro model outlaws uniqeness and originality... you never know tho: I do see dumbos in site's forums going around giving advice to newcomers like "be original and unique" over and over again, while one thread away someone asking about 'how to get more sales' is told that pictures have to be as generic as possible to get a lot of dls. Are people really that stupid that they don't se the oximoron there?? Unbeleivable. : >  It's not hard to see how that makes this unsustainable for contributors on a longer term. And for the 100th time: microstock's death is the inspection / acceptance system.  There's nothing else they can do with clueless, art-uneducated 'inspectors' than set up a technical quality barrier and nothing else.

You misquoted. That was BaldricksTrousers. Not me.

sry, I corrected

helix7

« Reply #136 on: December 08, 2010, 14:18 »
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...So no matter how hard you work, how much you grow your portfolio, how high quality your work is, how long you have been on the site, etc., Istock is still quite willing to screw you over.  This new system is rigged.  They control the best match, so they control how well you sell, and can turn sales off or on certain groups of contributors like a faucet.  This is not a meritocracy anymore.  It's not even a lottery.  It's a rigged game of chance.  

Couldn't have said it better.

ShadySue

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« Reply #137 on: December 08, 2010, 15:21 »
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Off thread, but I just got my EL bonus on three ELs. It's really scary to see how much we'll be losing post Jan 1st.  >:(

« Reply #138 on: December 08, 2010, 15:24 »
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Off thread, but I just got my EL bonus on three ELs. It's really scary to see how much we'll be losing post Jan 1st.  >:(

that's great!  I was really worried that they were going to come in and say "the 10% is unsustainable.  so we're just going to hang on to that.  we'll reevaluate it in 2011." 

seriously, I honestly don't think they would do that, but it wouldn't have really surprised me.  I hope everyone else got their bonus cash as well and that little "fiasco" can now be checked off as finally being resolved. 

« Reply #139 on: December 08, 2010, 15:32 »
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Off thread, but I just got my EL bonus on three ELs. It's really scary to see how much we'll be losing post Jan 1st.  >:(


that's great!  I was really worried that they were going to come in and say "the 10% is unsustainable.  so we're just going to hang on to that.  we'll reevaluate it in 2011." 

seriously, I honestly don't think they would do that, but it wouldn't have really surprised me.  I hope everyone else got their bonus cash as well and that little "fiasco" can now be checked off as finally being resolved. 


I was under the impression it WAS going away Jan. 1.

From rogermexico:

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On September 27 we made a mistake here at iStock with a code release. We accidentally included a change that removed the 10% bonus we pay Exclusives for Extended Licenses. This change was not supposed to happen until January 2011.

We are about to run a script that will pay the missing bonus for all Exclusive Extended Licenses between September 27 and November 28. We will then continue to run the script every week, until the date in January when the bonus goes away. So if you have an extended license download between now and then, it won't have the bonus initially, but the bonus will be added when the weekly script runs.

Everyone affected will have the money added to their account immediately. You will also get an email detailing each of the licenses in question.

We apologize for the error and the delay in getting this addressed. Thank you everybody. I will make another post here when the script actually runs: it should be within the next hour or so.


First post in this thread

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=280472&page=1

Or am I misunderstanding what you meant, jamirae?

« Reply #140 on: December 08, 2010, 15:39 »
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oh yeah, you are right.  sorry, i  did not make myself clear.  I was referring to the 10% that is OWED.  I know that they are doing away with it in January, but was only referring to the part that should have been paid all this time that has not and is currently owed to contributors who earned it. 

« Reply #141 on: December 08, 2010, 16:25 »
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oh yeah, you are right.  sorry, i  did not make myself clear.  I was referring to the 10% that is OWED.  I know that they are doing away with it in January, but was only referring to the part that should have been paid all this time that has not and is currently owed to contributors who earned it. 

OK. I see what you mean. I just misunderstood. Sorry.  :)

« Reply #142 on: December 08, 2010, 16:43 »
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oh yeah, you are right.  sorry, i  did not make myself clear.  I was referring to the 10% that is OWED.  I know that they are doing away with it in January, but was only referring to the part that should have been paid all this time that has not and is currently owed to contributors who earned it. 

OK. I see what you mean. I just misunderstood. Sorry.  :)

no harm, no foul. :)

« Reply #143 on: December 08, 2010, 18:15 »
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SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #144 on: December 08, 2010, 18:58 »
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From SNP: I guess it depends on how you look at. I upload my butt off. I work at producing better content everyday. I'm serious about my business. I guess that comment will ruffle feathers, but it's not meant to. my point is that contributors who mean to produce and improve and supply will reach their targets. if contributors on the whole don't meet targets, or just miss them....it seems they'll revisit the targets to the benefit of contributors.

I don't appreciate the comment about "being serious about your business" either. Just because a person isn't an uploading factory doesn't mean they aren't serious about their business. The statement and the whole situation reminds me of that of a wife-abuser. He beats the crap out of her then tells her it's her fault because she shouldn't have said or done something. Getty/IS takes away our commissions, changes the goalposts, "borrows" EL money, breaks the search engine, breaks the reporting of sales, and then some people have the gall to say it's our fault because we didn't work hard enough or we're not good businesspeople.

Yeah, I took offense to that haughty bit as well.

I'm sorry this offended you. it wasn't meant to be haughty. it's just realistic. anyways, it seems the reality isn't what you want. you want to gripe and you clearly just want to be pissed off. it's funny Marisa, when I first started on iStock, I read your blog regularly. I really love your photography and have always respected you, even when we've disagreed. guess that doesn't go both ways. anyways.

« Reply #145 on: December 08, 2010, 19:06 »
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From SNP: I guess it depends on how you look at. I upload my butt off. I work at producing better content everyday. I'm serious about my business. I guess that comment will ruffle feathers, but it's not meant to. my point is that contributors who mean to produce and improve and supply will reach their targets. if contributors on the whole don't meet targets, or just miss them....it seems they'll revisit the targets to the benefit of contributors.

I don't appreciate the comment about "being serious about your business" either. Just because a person isn't an uploading factory doesn't mean they aren't serious about their business. The statement and the whole situation reminds me of that of a wife-abuser. He beats the crap out of her then tells her it's her fault because she shouldn't have said or done something. Getty/IS takes away our commissions, changes the goalposts, "borrows" EL money, breaks the search engine, breaks the reporting of sales, and then some people have the gall to say it's our fault because we didn't work hard enough or we're not good businesspeople.

Yeah, I took offense to that haughty bit as well.

I'm sorry this offended you. it wasn't meant to be haughty. it's just realistic. anyways, it seems the reality isn't what you want. you want to gripe and you clearly just want to be pissed off. it's funny Marisa, when I first started on iStock, I read your blog regularly. I really love your photography and have always respected you, even when we've disagreed. guess that doesn't go both ways. anyways.

It's just "realistic"? That those of us who don't work the way that you do aren't serious about our/the business (did you even read cclapper's response to you, as quoted above, or any of the responses to your comment, for that matter)?

How or why it seems to you that reality isn't what I want, that I only want to gripe and - clearly, even - just want to be pissed off is beyond me.

You know what really pisses me off? You. You say some really off the wall, haughty, and generally offensive stuff and - apparently - you don't understand how/why you come off as such.

I've tried, as have many others, to help you understand, but - clearly - we've/I've failed.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2010, 19:16 by Risamay »

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #146 on: December 08, 2010, 19:19 »
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I think my comments about the RC targets are in the least worthy of discussion, even if you disagree. I know that discussion is certainly happening around many iStock round tables in my own region anyways, so why it causes you SUCH offense is beyond me. I think it's just that it comes from me.

we're all talking very openly in my iStock circle about why we are, or aren't making targets. why we are or aren't making Agency. why we have or don't have files in Vetta. I think it's a reasonable discussion to work out why RC targets aren't being met. anyways, as I said earlier, I hope for the sake of fairness that the levels are adjusted to reflect more attainable goals. or bell curved as Sue has been saying. no one is arguing about that. but some of the people suggesting favoritism/conspiracy/Getty greed/iStock greed/iStock intentionally screwing us....well some of those people (and in this case I'm NOT referring to Jo Ann) are people who have barely produced uploads over many years. why exactly is that taboo to discuss?

SNP

  • Canadian Photographer
« Reply #147 on: December 08, 2010, 19:35 »
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and I didn't see Cathy's post. but as I see it quoted in yours. I would never compare this to any abuse situation. I've volunteered kids who have been abused. it's not an issue I would trivialize by comparing it to our situation at iStock. it's nothing like that type of a situation. and I think the insinuation that it resembles wife abuse at all is offensive, especially when you connect it to my comment about RC targets.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2010, 19:38 by SNP »

« Reply #148 on: December 08, 2010, 19:37 »
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I think Stacey's "seriously" may refer to people who are spending full time hours creating a lot of usable stock, spending money on models and such, as opposed to other peoples' "seriously" which may mean a more part time approach, but no less serious about trying to create content the best they can, in their means and trying to follow the rules.

SNP

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« Reply #149 on: December 08, 2010, 19:39 »
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^ it was meant in that vein. but it quickly was spun into something else. secondly, I do think there's seriously part-time Sean. there are people doing this part-time working full-time hours who have met their targets. in fact a contributor we both know was working full-time until a few months ago on top of being one of iStock's top sellers. anyways...and for the record, as for being haughty....I'm very open about my own non-successes. like Agency...I'm all but unwanted in there and I don't have much Vetta either. I'm not at all holding myself up as an example, except to say that it's not impossible to reach the RC targets, even if you're not a major contributor. and I'm certainly not. never said I was nor do I think of myself as one.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2010, 19:42 by SNP »


 

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