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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2013, 17:00 »
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How are Istock getting around the model release requirements?  Lots of the indies flooding the site with their back catalogues of work may not be able to upload a shiny new Istock release for each shoot because it was not required prior to Sept. 2009. 

Have they also relaxed the model release rules?  Not relevant to me, but I am curious if they've relaxed them after being such hard a$se$ for so long.  I remember what a PITA it was to get a release for every single time I shot my husband or daughter... :P

I'd imagine that most of 'indies flooding the site with their back-catalogue' are the image factories such as MBI and the like. They probably use their own generic MR and will likely be highly organised with their paperwork too (unlike me!). Most of them upload to hundreds of agencies as it is so they need to be organised.

If IS can 'relax' the exclusivity arrangements for Yuri then I'm sure they can find a way of relaxing the rules for other big players too. A nod's as good as a wink to a blind man, as they say.


« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2013, 23:11 »
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If they raised the commission for distributors they would get more of both. Quality and Quantity.
It's the last try to avoid the inevitable step...raise contributors earnings.
it will happen...
« Last Edit: June 17, 2013, 23:17 by bad to the bone »

« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2013, 01:53 »
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So istock morons still want a model release with every handful of shots? That was one of the big reasons why I stopped bothering with that site.

« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2013, 02:25 »
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If they raised the commission for distributors they would get more of both. Quality and Quantity.
It's the last try to avoid the inevitable step...raise contributors earnings.
it will happen...
I agree that they need to raise commission percentages but I can't see them doing it.  They've only been thinking about how to make as much money as possible from the site in the short term.  They didn't consider how damaging all these changes would be.  To change strategy now, they would have to admit that they got it wrong and I just don't see them doing that.  Istock can't be sold off, as its too integrated with Getty, so there's no chance of getting new owners that are more focused on a good long term strategy.

« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2013, 03:20 »
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How are Istock getting around the model release requirements?  Lots of the indies flooding the site with their back catalogues of work may not be able to upload a shiny new Istock release for each shoot because it was not required prior to Sept. 2009. 

Have they also relaxed the model release rules?  Not relevant to me, but I am curious if they've relaxed them after being such hard a$se$ for so long.  I remember what a PITA it was to get a release for every single time I shot my husband or daughter... :P
No that is the only thing that they haven't relaxed.  I haven't had a single technical refusal but have had a few for model releases.

« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2013, 05:07 »
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The upload date default is actually a severe distortion of the search. Files should appear by approval date, not by upload date. That way at least they could hope for a few seconds on the first page of the most recent search, which might get a sale, which might give them a chance to battle into contention on best match.


This is exactly the way it works, and has for a long time. With such large differences in approval time now, it's very easy to see. Do any popular search (e.g., 'business') and look at the results sorted by age. Exclusive file numbers start with 252, indies with 251 or 250.


Yup, I had a batch of Scout-overturned files last week, and they're showing as my most recent by Age, even though they were uploaded a couple of months ago.


If you get theasis' latest browser script
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=352385&page=1
There's an option to order your upload page by approval date. Just hover over the blue "DL" button the script gives you at the top of the page for options.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2013, 05:16 »
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How are Istock getting around the model release requirements?  Lots of the indies flooding the site with their back catalogues of work may not be able to upload a shiny new Istock release for each shoot because it was not required prior to Sept. 2009. 

Have they also relaxed the model release rules?  Not relevant to me, but I am curious if they've relaxed them after being such hard a$se$ for so long.  I remember what a PITA it was to get a release for every single time I shot my husband or daughter... :P

No, I don't think, last week they asked me tree times a MR for photos already provided with a MR

They asked me a property release for some images of church (asked for some of them, but not for all of them [same church of course])

They refused me one photo because of "This file contains legible information such as names, signatures, license plates, phone numbers, identification numbers, etc. " In fact there was a board with written "Please close the door" on a door

« Last Edit: June 18, 2013, 05:48 by Beppe Grillo »

ShadySue

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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2013, 05:52 »
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I'm afraid I've posted that pic in the "incredibly fast inspection" thread so it probably won't be around for long.

Indeed, it's already 'not available for download'.


And I got a sitemail telling me my post was deleted and I "should know better" than to post someone else's work in the forum.
Lol!
I wrote back pointing out it was the inspector I was criticising, not the photographer. Perhaps I'll get banned again.

Oh, Kelvin did say that the file had already been "earmarked for deletion" so perhaps Lobo had picked it up from this thread already.


Well, here's another sideways acceptance:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-25071502-buenos-aires-argentina.php?st=bf10631
Maybe it's the Next Big Thing after instagrams.

« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2013, 06:00 »
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Maybe it's like sideways video for vertical ad display on monitors?

« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2013, 06:22 »
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And the lighting on that...  I would have deleted it from my camera, if I'd even bothered to take it in the first place.

Please, iStock, put your standards back in place.  I can handle rejections...

KB

« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2013, 07:49 »
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And the lighting on that...  I would have deleted it from my camera, if I'd even bothered to take it in the first place.

Please, iStock, put your standards back in place.  I can handle rejections...

You guys are just being mean now.

I mean, come on, isn't this a perfectly wonderful image of Highway one:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-25106230-highway-one.php?st=3d83e3b

Perhaps some of the other half dozen in that port titled "Highway one" aren't quite this good, but they're all fine examples that I'm sure Getty is proud to have in their collection.

« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2013, 08:18 »
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And the lighting on that...  I would have deleted it from my camera, if I'd even bothered to take it in the first place.

Please, iStock, put your standards back in place.  I can handle rejections...

You guys are just being mean now.

I mean, come on, isn't this a perfectly wonderful image of Highway one:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-25106230-highway-one.php?st=3d83e3b

Perhaps some of the other half dozen in that port titled "Highway one" aren't quite this good, but they're all fine examples that I'm sure Getty is proud to have in their collection.


He hasn't got any sales yet. Probably because of his keywording.

« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2013, 08:32 »
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Not the end for me,  the change put a lot of my images in higher catagories and I am better off for it!

ShadySue

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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2013, 08:45 »
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Not the end for me,  the change put a lot of my images in higher catagories and I am better off for it!

Unless the buyers, who weren't informed about the changes in advance, vote with their feet and move once their current credit bundle expires.

Conversely, I had two photos of the same subject taken on different days with very different lighting, previously both just E files. One has sold steadily, and was made S+. The other had no sales and was demoted to Main.
The demoted one got its first sale this morning.
But we cannot know:
Did that one sell only because it was in the Main collection?
Would the buyer have bought it or the other one at S price, but not S+ price (so both iS and I have lost out).
If my file hadn't been in the Main, would the buyer have bought one of the several indie files in the Main collection, so iS would have made more?

All imponderables.

« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2013, 08:57 »
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And the lighting on that...  I would have deleted it from my camera, if I'd even bothered to take it in the first place.

Please, iStock, put your standards back in place.  I can handle rejections...

You guys are just being mean now.

I mean, come on, isn't this a perfectly wonderful image of Highway one:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-25106230-highway-one.php?st=3d83e3b

Perhaps some of the other half dozen in that port titled "Highway one" aren't quite this good, but they're all fine examples that I'm sure Getty is proud to have in their collection.


You're right, but I don't mean to be critical of the contributor - I'm as guilty as anyone of trying to get a picture when the lighting just isn't right.

I just wouldn't have expected iStock to accept it.  I've often uploaded a borderline image if it's the best I have, but I usually do it without any great expectations and no small surprise if it gets accepted.  My complaint is with them apparently dropping their standards so drastically, after making such a big deal of their strict requirements in the past. 

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2013, 09:03 »
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I just wouldn't have expected iStock to accept it.  I've often uploaded a borderline image if it's the best I have, but I usually do it without any great expectations and no small surprise if it gets accepted.  My complaint is with them apparently dropping their standards so drastically, after making such a big deal of their strict requirements in the past.
It's a total mystery, and I'm sure there's a Dark Plan behind it.

« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2013, 09:23 »
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Ok that they have lowered the criteria for their selection but why they are accepting the whole series from the same shoot.. this will badly affect those who have a habit of sending selected 1-2 images only from a single shoot. I used to learn from the rejection from IS. Probably IS has acquired some buyers / curators from alamy. In fact alamy also accepts technically correct images..
are they going to keep those images in Main ? or image bin... dustbin or whatever

« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2013, 09:33 »
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I just wouldn't have expected iStock to accept it.  I've often uploaded a borderline image if it's the best I have, but I usually do it without any great expectations and no small surprise if it gets accepted.  My complaint is with them apparently dropping their standards so drastically, after making such a big deal of their strict requirements in the past.
It's a total mystery, and I'm sure there's a Dark Plan behind it.

Yes, there must be.
it seems totally insane what they are doing, but there must be a plan.
Or at least a reason.
Even an ever so low reason.

They  had a base of strictly sorted quality pictures ( at least thats what they claimed) now they are doing their best to dilute it.
And why would they?
Is it so important to have many new pictures.
Or is it so that many new images of poor quality, can be used to qualify the rest?

Maybe the answer is in the timing, where many things reviel their true faces:

The come up with new categories/ collections, new upload limits and new lesser quallity demands at the same time.

So are they just collecting pictures so the customers can compare good and bad and such be motivated to buy the expensive high quality stuff?


WarrenPrice

« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2013, 09:37 »
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I'm trying to remember -- didn't it end last year?  Or has it been even longer?
There are so many threads about "the end" that I can't tell when it was ... or when it is supposed to be?

Oh, wait, maybe it was December 21, 2012?

 ::)

« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2013, 09:38 »
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NO!
I know why.
They want to compete with the low performing agencies.
All those agencies who take in all kinds of crap.

They want to be able to say... WE have it all, from crap to splendid. Authentic to styled.

There is no reason to go elsewhere, everything can be found at istock.

I bet their next step will be to have super low prices on the low grade content.

« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2013, 09:40 »
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I'm trying to remember -- didn't it end last year?  Or has it been even longer?
There are so many threads about "the end" that I can't tell when it was ... or when it is supposed to be?

Oh, wait, maybe it was December 21, 2012?

 ::)
we are having a solid case of istock procrastinating and us suffereing from wishfull thinking.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2013, 09:42 »
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NO!
I know why.
They want to compete with the low performing agencies.
All those agencies who take in all kinds of crap.

They want to be able to say... WE have it all, from crap to splendid. Authentic to styled.

There is no reason to go elsewhere, everything can be found at istock.

I bet their next step will be to have super low prices on the low grade content.

They have built in a Value Bin to the collections, but it doesn't seem to exist as yet.

« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2013, 09:50 »
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They will put it on google then.

JFP

« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2013, 09:51 »
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I just wouldn't have expected iStock to accept it.  I've often uploaded a borderline image if it's the best I have, but I usually do it without any great expectations and no small surprise if it gets accepted.  My complaint is with them apparently dropping their standards so drastically, after making such a big deal of their strict requirements in the past.
It's a total mystery, and I'm sure there's a Dark Plan behind it.

+1

On another side, they are also releasing the standards for Vetta acceptance. It is easier to get in than it used to be. Also, I have sold more vettas in the last 10 days than in the last 9 months (normal sales are getting a new free fall though)

lisafx

« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2013, 15:42 »
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Thanks Liz, Gostwyck, Fotographer and Beppe for the answers related to model releases. 

Good to know that though they have all but eliminated technical and aesthetic standards, the time-consuming and inconvenient model release policy is still firmly in place.  ;)


 

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