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« on: September 28, 2010, 20:32 »
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kkthompson

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First, it needs to be noted that while iStock is a part of Getty, we are still run independently. The announced changes were decisions difficult decisions made by iStock for the benefit of iStock and its community.



JJRD

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Over the course of the past 2 weeks, kkthompson & I have put our own asses on the line many, many times over for this community of artists... and we'll do it again and again every single time that we feel it necessary.


vonkara

« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2010, 20:53 »
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Very nice, I like Dramas

TheSmilingAssassin

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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2010, 21:00 »
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Both?

Microbius

« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2010, 10:36 »
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kkthompson
If you take a look at some previous announcements they were perfectly open about IStock being run by a Getty/ IStock team.
It's just damage control to try and distance them now the sh*t's hit the fan and Getty is seen as corporate satan by contributors.

RacePhoto

« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 01:05 »
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My favorite line in the whole slippery solution was this, None of this is comfort to the 24% of Exclusives who will see a rate decrease or to any of the non-Exclusives who are, quite frankly, bearing the brunt of these changes.

I just don't like the idea that taking from the poor to pay the rich, to adjust the "unsustainable" payouts based on increased canister levels, which they promised people to entice them into becoming exclusives.

Leave the non-exclusives alone, because they didn't cause the problem and they aren't part of the problem at an already low 20%

« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 02:37 »
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My favorite line in the whole slippery solution was this, None of this is comfort to the 24% of Exclusives who will see a rate decrease or to any of the non-Exclusives who are, quite frankly, bearing the brunt of these changes.

I just don't like the idea that taking from the poor to pay the rich, to adjust the "unsustainable" payouts based on increased canister levels, which they promised people to entice them into becoming exclusives.

Leave the non-exclusives alone, because they didn't cause the problem and they aren't part of the problem at an already low 20%
If enough non-exclusives leave or take down some of their portfolio, the exclusives are going to be in for another commission cut.  This is such a big gamble but unfortunately lots of people will put up with this.  I just hope enough wise up and realise that if we tolerate this, we will soon be lucky to get 5% commission.

Pixel-Pizzazz

« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 08:51 »
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My favorite line in the whole slippery solution was this, None of this is comfort to the 24% of Exclusives who will see a rate decrease or to any of the non-Exclusives who are, quite frankly, bearing the brunt of these changes.

I just don't like the idea that taking from the poor to pay the rich, to adjust the "unsustainable" payouts based on increased canister levels, which they promised people to entice them into becoming exclusives.

Leave the non-exclusives alone, because they didn't cause the problem and they aren't part of the problem at an already low 20%


Hey, but we wouldn't want someone of such importance to have to rough it out while under such unsustainable financial strain and have to suffer the indigity of economy class, would we?

http://twitter.com/kkthompson"Thank you travel gods for last minute upgrades to business class on oversees flights. Go #aircanada
9:05 PM Sep 25th via Twitter for iPhone "

Sheer arrogance, IMO, unless it was a free upgrade (which certainly would've been wise to make mention of, if it be the case, coming from someone who seems rather budget conscious about paying the bread and butter suppliers).
« Last Edit: September 30, 2010, 09:15 by Pixel-Pizzazz »

« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 08:59 »
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Hey, but we wouldn't want someone of such importance to have to rough it out while under such unsustainable financial strain and have to suffer the indigity of economy class, would we?

http://twitter.com/kkthompson"Thank you travel gods for last minute upgrades to business class on oversees flights. Go #aircanada
9:05 PM Sep 25th via Twitter for iPhone "

Sheer arrogance, IMO.


Next he'll be tweeting about saving a few million on his new $10million condo. LOL

Pixel-Pizzazz

« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 09:12 »
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Hey, but we wouldn't want someone of such importance to have to rough it out while under such unsustainable financial strain and have to suffer the indigity of economy class, would we?

http://twitter.com/kkthompson"Thank you travel gods for last minute upgrades to business class on oversees flights. Go #aircanada
9:05 PM Sep 25th via Twitter for iPhone "

Sheer arrogance, IMO.

Next he'll be tweeting about saving a few million on his new $10million condo. LOL

I just changed my post in case the word FREE had inadvertantly been omitted from the tweet.  But, I agree - the pay cuts, sited as being due to unsustainablity might be a bit easier to take if it appeared there were cut backs affecting everyone.  Doesn't seem like it to me - with the Japan Lypse as just one example.
Punctum day was already taken away and now it seems Peter is being robbed in a bid to pay Paul (like the sudden Vetta increase, rumoured to be an attempt to boost RC's before year end).

Too much lack of accountability on a very large scale, IMO.  I think contributors need to have their own representation, if these problems are ever to be overcome.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2010, 09:16 by Pixel-Pizzazz »

RacePhoto

« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 22:25 »
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I really don't mind the exclusives getting some rewards for being loyal or making more because they contribute special images that aren't elsewhere. WhY i resent is that in order to hold up the payment plan for some people, the bottom paid group is getting a cut?

It's almost as if IS wants all exclusives unless someone is stupid enough to work for nothing. I mean micro is already small enough payment and commission, now they are reducing that to 15%? If their goal is to drive out the independents, this should do it, except for a small, very small percentage, of stock factories.

Hopefully the rest of the independents will recognize that selling for nothing and working for nearly nothing is stealing sales from their other agencies. They might as well get one sale for a fair pay, instead of three sales, for the same pay. It's not how many times you make a sale, it's the bottom line and what you can put in the bank.

First it was subs for 25 cents, now it's 15% commission. As some have mocked, soon they will charge us to sell our photos. Oh wait, doesn't Getty have that plan already? :(

pdx

« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 00:35 »
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The whole thing is a crock anyway. You simply can't call things unsustainable and cut people's commissions all while raising the commissions of the exclusive power-sellers from 40 to 45%. There's a serious disconnect right there. 

rubyroo

« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 00:59 »
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Yes, I can't understand why they're so inflexible about the 20% 'across the board' thing.  If Getty artists have been happy with that to date, it has to be because the sale price was large enough to make a 20% commission a sustainable means of making a living.

Why can't they see that 20% (let alone 15%) of the pittance that is a micropayment is UNsustainable for the artist who is selling so cheaply?  Sustainability is a two-way street.
 
Their position is too fixed on this, and I feel they should flex their fixed model to suit the micropayment portion of their industry.  Sometimes a company has to step back and question whether 'doing it because it's always been done this way' is actually a realistic and sensible thing. 

ShadySue

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2010, 02:32 »
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Hey, but we wouldn't want someone of such importance to have to rough it out while under such unsustainable financial strain and have to suffer the indigity of economy class, would we?

http://twitter.com/kkthompson"Thank you travel gods for last minute upgrades to business class on oversees flights. Go #aircanada
9:05 PM Sep 25th via Twitter for iPhone "

Sheer arrogance, IMO.


Next he'll be tweeting about saving a few million on his new $10million condo. LOL


Just to be clear, the well-publicised $10M flat belongs to Jonathan Klein, Getty CEO not Kelly Thomson.
http://www.observer.com/people/jonathan-d.-klein

« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2010, 03:16 »
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Yes, I can't understand why they're so inflexible about the 20% 'across the board' thing.  If Getty artists have been happy with that to date, it has to be because the sale price was large enough to make a 20% commission a sustainable means of making a living.

Why can't they see that 20% (let alone 15%) of the pittance that is a micropayment is UNsustainable for the artist who is selling so cheaply?  Sustainability is a two-way street.
 
Their position is too fixed on this, and I feel they should flex their fixed model to suit the micropayment portion of their industry.  Sometimes a company has to step back and question whether 'doing it because it's always been done this way' is actually a realistic and sensible thing. 
I agree but they know that most people will buckle and will put up with below 20%.  That's why I no longer see a future for me in microstock, when all the other sites follow istock and cut commissions, it just wont be worth doing anymore.  Thinkstock has already ruined subs, ending the chances of higher commissions.  Perhaps the only slim chance for us is if enough buyers take pity and go to the sites that pay a more reasonable commissions?  I hope that happens but don't expect it to.  Look at all the people now happily buying from thinkstock when it's hitting contributors earnings.

« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2010, 08:30 »
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Hey, but we wouldn't want someone of such importance to have to rough it out while under such unsustainable financial strain and have to suffer the indigity of economy class, would we?

http://twitter.com/kkthompson"Thank you travel gods for last minute upgrades to business class on oversees flights. Go #aircanada
9:05 PM Sep 25th via Twitter for iPhone "

Sheer arrogance, IMO.


Next he'll be tweeting about saving a few million on his new $10million condo. LOL


Just to be clear, the well-publicised $10M flat belongs to Jonathan Klein, Getty CEO not Kelly Thomson.
http://www.observer.com/people/jonathan-d.-klein


I know that. That is why I said "new". ;) Just a joke implying his bonus was going to be so big that he'd be able to afford such a thing.

« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2010, 09:39 »
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I agree but they know that most people will buckle and will put up with below 20%.  That's why I no longer see a future for me in microstock, when all the other sites follow istock and cut commissions, it just wont be worth doing anymore. 

I completely agree Sharpshot.  The Greater Fool Theory is alive and well in microstock.  The agencies have nothing to fear because they know there always be someone foolish enough to sell their work for a 15% commission on a $2 sale.  I will be independent in less than 3 weeks, but I see that more as an opportunity to decrease my exposure to microstock rather than continue to support it.

« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2010, 19:47 »
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This is what I don't understand. A 15-20% commission on a $2 sale is unsustainable for the contributor.
There is no money in it unless a particular file sells in the thousands.
Lets face it, those types of winners are very few and far between.

Why has no one instituted a sliding commission system.

Say something like this:
$2 sale 40% commission
$10 sale 35% commission
$20 sale 30% commission
etc, etc.

molka

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2010, 08:42 »
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This is what I don't understand. A 15-20% commission on a $2 sale is unsustainable for the contributor.
There is no money in it unless a particular file sells in the thousands.
Lets face it, those types of winners are very few and far between.

Why has no one instituted a sliding commission system.

Say something like this:
$2 sale 40% commission
$10 sale 35% commission
$20 sale 30% commission
etc, etc.

I don't get this. If you guys see that so clearly now, why didn't you see it years ago, and simply skip microstock??????? It would have been understandable if there were almost no other chioces but there were plenty! (Alamy for example... 75% comissions!) Total nonsense..... actually i have to say you can blame yourselves as much as the greedy companies, you made horrible, uneducated chioces with little to no foresight whatsoever.

« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2010, 08:49 »
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I don't get this. If you guys see that so clearly now, why didn't you see it years ago, and simply skip microstock???????
Welcome back, Macrosaur;D

molka

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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2010, 09:05 »
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I don't get this. If you guys see that so clearly now, why didn't you see it years ago, and simply skip microstock???????
Welcome back, Macrosaur;D

Hi microsour. Nice to see you. 8 )

lisafx

« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2010, 09:37 »
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I don't get this. If you guys see that so clearly now, why didn't you see it years ago, and simply skip microstock???????
Welcome back, Macrosaur;D

Well spotted! 

« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2010, 10:42 »
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Welcome back, Macrosaur;D
Hi microsour. Nice to see you. 8 )
That was just a little bit too fast Hippie, for credible deniability.  ;) Bingo, I assume.

molka

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2010, 11:13 »
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Welcome back, Macrosaur;D
Hi microsour. Nice to see you. 8 )
That was just a little bit too fast Hippie, for credible deniability.  ;) Bingo, I assume.

Actually I don't know what . are you talking yout, but have fun with it anyways : ) ok, i do get it that I'm supposed to be some old time foe here who's a fan macrostock. Well I'm not. I'm not a fan of any stock, I'm a fan of photography.

lisafx

« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2010, 11:28 »
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I'm not a fan of any stock, I'm a fan of photography.

Gosh, too bad there aren't any "photography" forums on the internet for you to hang out in and you are forced to spend your time digging up old threads on a microstock forum, when you so clearly hate the medium... :'(

rubyroo

« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2010, 11:29 »
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 :D :D :D

Just what I was thinking - but you put it so much better, Lisa.


 

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