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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2013, 21:04 »
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Wow, Lobo does really seem to be a bit wound up about an innocuous post. 


« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2013, 21:45 »
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Wow, Pieman is furious.




Which normally would be fair comment, except that since late Sept, new files have fallen like stones in most ports. So why upload and lose the file for ever?


Please stop me from doing this! ... No? .... No one? .... *#$^%!@%

I can't believe it, but I agree with Lobo. PrairieArtProject has UL'd a total of SIX files since July 2010. Who amongst us wouldn't expect to see a significant downturn with that kind of output? Of course we'd all prefer it if our older files continued to sell well, but we know that it's also necessary to feed the beast at least a bit more than that.


I too thought  that Lobo's response was 'fair comment' in that instance. Of course he never seems to step in and point out, when someone reports a dramatic increase in earnings, that they have massively increased their portfolio over the timescale that they are reporting their earnings. Funny that.

KB

« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2013, 23:49 »
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I can't believe it, but I agree with Lobo. PrairieArtProject has UL'd a total of SIX files since July 2010. Who amongst us wouldn't expect to see a significant downturn with that kind of output? Of course we'd all prefer it if our older files continued to sell well, but we know that it's also necessary to feed the beast at least a bit more than that.

I am not one of the Lobo haters, and I can see how he might have had a point, if Tracey was the only person reporting such massive drops.  But they are epidemic across the spectrum of people who have uploaded little to people who have uploaded thousands a year.
And I don't disagree with you. My DLs were down 28% year over year in Feb, despite increasing my portfolio size by over 1/3. I just don't see how someone can basically not upload a thing for over 2.5 years and expect to continue to do well, that's all.

Clearly Lobo picked a target he could use to deflect what's happening. ilbusca's post pretty much tells the complete story:
Quote
Month       Port size     %$ vs previous year

2009-01        1750        +20,14%
2009-02        1836        +8,24%
2009-03        1922        +41,09%
2009-04        2036        +22,70%
2009-05        2129        +43,69%
2009-06        2164        +65,25%
2009-07        2216        +44,96%
2009-08        2329        +47,73%
2009-09        2362        +36,50%
2009-10        2414        +16,43%
2009-11        2459        +1,37%
2009-12        2488        +7,23%
2010-01        2549        +67,26%
2010-02        2634        +88,82%
2010-03        2771        +95,11%
2010-04        2890        +59,88%
2010-05        2970        +75,49%
2010-06        3024        +81,40%
2010-07        3051        +61,64%
2010-08        3132        +51,65%
2010-09        3185        +53,53%
2010-10        3229        +49,64%
2010-11        3276        +86,04%
2010-12        3307        +74,07%
2011-01        3398        +12,31%
2011-02        3688        +22,26%
2011-03        3874        +25,24%
2011-04        4053        +21,47%
2011-05        4138        +30,50%
2011-06        4234        +24,85%
2011-07        4460        +19,88%
2011-08        4575        +46,75%
2011-09        4822        +38,56%
2011-10        5249        +32,73%
2011-11        5836        +32,98%
2011-12        6257        +33,72%
2012-01        6593        +79,58%
2012-02        6799        +56,61%
2012-03        6880        +55,21%
2012-04        7019        +84,60%
2012-05        7131        +66,29%
2012-06        7323        +46,38%
2012-07        7458        +50,02%
2012-08        7561        +50,08%
2012-09        7870        +7,86%
2012-10        7973        +47,53%
2012-11        8193        +14,49%
2012-12        8267        -12,21%
2013-01        8379        -4,20%
2013-02        8412        -13,41%

« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2013, 03:50 »
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I can't believe it, but I agree with Lobo. PrairieArtProject has UL'd a total of SIX files since July 2010. Who amongst us wouldn't expect to see a significant downturn with that kind of output? Of course we'd all prefer it if our older files continued to sell well, but we know that it's also necessary to feed the beast at least a bit more than that.

I am not one of the Lobo haters, and I can see how he might have had a point, if Tracey was the only person reporting such massive drops.  But they are epidemic across the spectrum of people who have uploaded little to people who have uploaded thousands a year.
And I don't disagree with you. My DLs were down 28% year over year in Feb, despite increasing my portfolio size by over 1/3. I just don't see how someone can basically not upload a thing for over 2.5 years and expect to continue to do well, that's all.

Clearly Lobo picked a target he could use to deflect what's happening. ilbusca's post pretty much tells the complete story:
Quote
Month       Port size     %$ vs previous year

2009-01        1750        +20,14%
2009-02        1836        +8,24%
2009-03        1922        +41,09%
2009-04        2036        +22,70%
2009-05        2129        +43,69%
2009-06        2164        +65,25%
2009-07        2216        +44,96%
2009-08        2329        +47,73%
2009-09        2362        +36,50%
2009-10        2414        +16,43%
2009-11        2459        +1,37%
2009-12        2488        +7,23%
2010-01        2549        +67,26%
2010-02        2634        +88,82%
2010-03        2771        +95,11%
2010-04        2890        +59,88%
2010-05        2970        +75,49%
2010-06        3024        +81,40%
2010-07        3051        +61,64%
2010-08        3132        +51,65%
2010-09        3185        +53,53%
2010-10        3229        +49,64%
2010-11        3276        +86,04%
2010-12        3307        +74,07%
2011-01        3398        +12,31%
2011-02        3688        +22,26%
2011-03        3874        +25,24%
2011-04        4053        +21,47%
2011-05        4138        +30,50%
2011-06        4234        +24,85%
2011-07        4460        +19,88%
2011-08        4575        +46,75%
2011-09        4822        +38,56%
2011-10        5249        +32,73%
2011-11        5836        +32,98%
2011-12        6257        +33,72%
2012-01        6593        +79,58%
2012-02        6799        +56,61%
2012-03        6880        +55,21%
2012-04        7019        +84,60%
2012-05        7131        +66,29%
2012-06        7323        +46,38%
2012-07        7458        +50,02%
2012-08        7561        +50,08%
2012-09        7870        +7,86%
2012-10        7973        +47,53%
2012-11        8193        +14,49%
2012-12        8267        -12,21%
2013-01        8379        -4,20%
2013-02        8412        -13,41%

I wish my stats looked like that.
It's unrealistic to expect sales growth of between 10% and 80% to continue year after year. Even for February, the earnings in that list are still better than 30% up on 2011, despite being 12% down on the year.
It does, however, suggest that the party is coming to an end at iS.
I'm somewhat bemused to find that my iS sales were actually 0.3% up on Feb 2012.

« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2013, 07:41 »
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Baldrick, IS sales or IS PP sales 0.3% up on Feb 2012 ?

« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2013, 07:57 »
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I made virtually the same Feb 13 as I did in Feb12 but it will be 40 to 50% more once the PP is added.  Nor sure why because I rarely uploaded anything there last year.
Just to get it in perspective, it's about 35% of Feb 2011
« Last Edit: March 02, 2013, 08:02 by fotografer »

« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2013, 09:09 »
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Honestly, I can't believe those numbers from ibusca are correct if just looking at IS.  I just looked and images added over the last year are mostly zero downloads, with a few on every page up to 5 or so.  My income has dropped the last two years.  Negative percentages, and my new work is selling much more than his, and the old stuff too.  I cannot believe he sold 50% from August of 2011 to August 2012 - ie, made $10k in 2011 and now made $15k in 2012.  For example, my Aug 2012 was down %12 over August 2011.

« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2013, 09:27 »
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Baldrick, IS sales or IS PP sales 0.3% up on Feb 2012 ?
IS sales, I haven't seen the PP sales yet (so, obviously, I'm not including the 2012 PP sales, either), but 2012 and 2013 are both about 28% down on 2011
As for Lobo's point, sales of my new material have been so slow that I doubt whether stopping uploading in Jan has really had any effect on my income there.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2013, 09:36 by BaldricksTrousers »

« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2013, 13:06 »
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Well since I am banned at IS I will post my stats here. Too bad for them because I am one of the few with decent (for me) sales.
From Jan 2013 up 45% in regular royalties
From February 2012 up 39%
This is just straight iStock royalties. The one El I had this month would make the increase over January larger. Second to BME for regular dls. This could easily be a BME with the GI and PP sales. I didn't look at dls which have been in an overall decline. No big change in port size.


ShadySue

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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2013, 14:25 »
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Well since I am banned at IS I will post my stats here.
That was a truly senseless banning, but welcome to the club!

« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2013, 18:09 »
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Honestly, I can't believe those numbers from ibusca are correct if just looking at IS.  I just looked and images added over the last year are mostly zero downloads, with a few on every page up to 5 or so.  My income has dropped the last two years.  Negative percentages, and my new work is selling much more than his, and the old stuff too.  I cannot believe he sold 50% from August of 2011 to August 2012 - ie, made $10k in 2011 and now made $15k in 2012.  For example, my Aug 2012 was down %12 over August 2011.

Hi all,

my numbers are real and they refer to istock only, without ELs. The reason why I had a great 2011 and 2012 is the fact that on May 2011 Istock became my full time job, whilst before was just a weekend activity. I rented a studio, I bought a D800 (I used to have a D80) and I submitted nearly 5000 XXXL files in the last two years or so. Also, I believed in E+ from the beginning which gave me an increase in $$. Percentages refers to the same month of the year before.

You can see from the numbers my port size in 2011 went from 3307 to 6257 and that's the reason I kept growing. obviously I couldn't go from 6000 to 12000 in 2012 so I have tried to increase quality, instead (many Vettas accepted). I would be happy to keep 2012 levels in 2013.

ilbusca

ETA: Also, my earnings in 2008 were very low!
« Last Edit: March 03, 2013, 18:15 by ilbusca »

« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2013, 09:05 »
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We have no idea what's happening at the technical level inside iS. They could have an algorithm that limits earnings for contributors based on folio size, earnings, etc, to try and spread the wealth. They could be using some of the profits to buy the occasional image to encourage production. We have no idea what they are doing. We just put in our images and the magical money machine pays out.

JFP

« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2013, 10:25 »
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Do you really think it is that sophisticated?  They can't handle basic functions of the site, I doubt they have rocket science algorithms...

 
We have no idea what's happening at the technical level inside iS. They could have an algorithm that limits earnings for contributors based on folio size, earnings, etc, to try and spread the wealth. They could be using some of the profits to buy the occasional image to encourage production. We have no idea what they are doing. We just put in our images and the magical money machine pays out.

lisafx

« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2013, 12:58 »
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We just put in our images and the magical money machine pays out.

Not lately.  But those were the days I remember fondly :)

« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2013, 13:14 »
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We just put in our images and the magical money machine pays out.

Hmmm. The 'magical money machine' also manages to make 82% of my images' earnings disappear before my very eyes. That is an amazing trick..

« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2013, 13:22 »
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We just put in our images and the magical money machine pays out.

Not lately.  But those were the days I remember fondly :)

Who doesn't remember...  :'(


 

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