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« Reply #175 on: May 18, 2013, 19:25 »
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Thanks Liz :)

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« Reply #176 on: May 18, 2013, 23:05 »
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however you paint this story, Yuri did the math and finally realized there's more money to be made selling on Getty than selling on 50+ micro agencies together.

or at least that's the case with the contract he signed as he will probably earn 30-40% from each sale + eventual bonuses.

moral of the story : the slice of the pie for random microstockers is getting smaller and smaller and it will be soon game over in 2-3 years from now.

the only ones surviving in this mess will be the few ones able to cut costs to the bone preserving a "good enough" quality, but it's gonna be a survival job, nobody will get rich with that.




« Reply #177 on: May 18, 2013, 23:22 »
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"unfortunately, this is the trend also in many other digital markets, in music for instance they dont even discuss anymore about prices being too low to make a living, they take for granted you can NOT make a living with it !"

The market is quite different - you don't pay more for "premium" content its often less. The music biz now seems to make more from live music I'm not sure there is a photographic equivalent. Some female singer whose name escapes me has just shifted more albums  than the Beatles so doesn't sound that bad!

it's a totally different market and thanks god i've nothing to do with it anymore, actually when i was there we were still printing on vinyl and making good returns, now it's all gone to the dogs.

stock is doomed to stay where it belongs, ironically you've more chances of being discovered by an art gallerist with your images on Flickr or Instagram than on stock agencies.

and art galleries are a whole different mafia too, if you think stock is bad try the art market !

« Reply #178 on: May 18, 2013, 23:46 »
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however you paint this story, Yuri did the math and finally realized there's more money to be made selling on Getty than selling on 50+ micro agencies together.

or at least that's the case with the contract he signed as he will probably earn 30-40% from each sale + eventual bonuses.

moral of the story : the slice of the pie for random microstockers is getting smaller and smaller and it will be soon game over in 2-3 years from now.

the only ones surviving in this mess will be the few ones able to cut costs to the bone preserving a "good enough" quality, but it's gonna be a survival job, nobody will get rich with that.

Isn't the slice of the microstock pie getting bigger for random microstockers because the factories are moving on ?

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #179 on: May 19, 2013, 00:42 »
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however you paint this story, Yuri did the math and finally realized there's more money to be made selling on Getty than selling on 50+ micro agencies together.


for his cost base.

I have other work and I don't rely on stock on as much job, but my costs are very low: I've got all the gear that my humble work requires, and I use each new paid assignment for the magazine I work for or commercial clients as my next stock shoot. For me the shoots don't really cost me anything, and most of the time I've been paid already to hand over half a dozen shots to the client, and I just shoot as many more as I feel necessary.

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I have to also ask you why you are here, if you hate microstock so much? Is it just to crow with glee whenever something awful happens? It's called Schadenfreude, isn't it?
« Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 00:45 by gillian »

« Reply #180 on: May 19, 2013, 00:48 »
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I guess it all depends on who wanted or needed the deal more. What if Istock and Getty have both been haemorrhaging sales/customers/revenue for several months or quarters? If content is king then gaining the exclusive services of "the world's most popular microstock photographer" might boost sales and also help justify their prices. Under such circumstances I could certainly imagine non-standard terms being offered.

This move by Yuri gives me the feeling that our whole effort on 2nd February (D-Day against Google Drive Deal) was completely in vain.  I deleted 1000 files that day to make a statement to both Getty and Istock.  To me, Yuri's move to Getty/IS means we lost that battle, even more than IS ignoring our effort.

« Reply #181 on: May 19, 2013, 01:06 »
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I deleted 1000 files

he uploaded 636

« Reply #182 on: May 19, 2013, 01:21 »
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WOW... I mean WOW.... Yuri is the first high volume producer who gets tired to receive $0.38 for a high resolution image. I hope this is a wake up call for the entire industry.

« Reply #183 on: May 19, 2013, 01:23 »
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I deleted 1000 files

he uploaded 636
And what will happen to the 60,000+ images he's taking down from the other microstock sites?

« Reply #184 on: May 19, 2013, 01:41 »
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I think too many conclusions are being drawn on the basis of inadequate and possibly misleading information. Obviously Yuri didn't spontaneously decide to go exclusive and therefore he has received a sweetener, which, considering the scale of his operation, must amount to a lot of money.

So I wouldn't be drawing any conclusions about the health or otherwise of microstock.

And, by the way, I live in Cape Town. It is anything but a hellhole. I'd far rather be here than in Denmark, regardless of costs.

gillian vann

  • *Gillian*
« Reply #185 on: May 19, 2013, 01:52 »
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And, by the way, I live in Cape Town. It is anything but a hellhole. I'd far rather be here than in Denmark, regardless of costs.

All due respects, but if you grow up living in a cage you can't see the fact you're in a cage. Granted CT isn't anywhere near as bad a Jo'berg but seriously, you've seen how the rest of us live, right? My family in JB can't even go to the loo in the middle of the night cos they have alarms everywhere. I guess you just get used to the fact that you can't randomly take fish n chips to the park, enjoy a bottle of wine and laze about while your children run around... 

Poncke v2

« Reply #186 on: May 19, 2013, 02:18 »
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Yuris father wrote on the SS forum saying he is leaving too. He mentioned yuri had 3-4000 dls  a day

« Reply #187 on: May 19, 2013, 03:17 »
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I'm sure anyone of us would do the same thing if you would be offered a good deal, regardless whether you hate IS for the Google deal or not. It's not like you're selling your soul to the devil although some probably would think so.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #188 on: May 19, 2013, 04:44 »
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I'm sure anyone of us would do the same thing if you would be offered a good deal, regardless whether you hate IS for the Google deal or not. It's not like you're selling your soul to the devil although some probably would think so.
Yuri is not concerned for the community. He's probably managed an opt out of these deals, or special payment or only nominated files or suchlike. He came on here to ask about his spectacles case then never fed back the outcome of his legal discussions with the Italians; though as he is still using these photos, I assume that means it was all sorted out.
Just what Getty wants, a high seller who won't rock the boat about their dubious practices, so long as he's OK. And from his pov, why should he, in the short term at least.

« Reply #189 on: May 19, 2013, 04:46 »
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WOW... I mean WOW.... Yuri is the first high volume producer who gets tired to receive $0.38 for a high resolution image. I hope this is a wake up call for the entire industry.

Yes and he went to get cozy with the people who gave away pics basically for free, making backroom deal(s) on the copyright owners property without't even bothering  to tell them about it...

« Reply #190 on: May 19, 2013, 04:50 »
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Yuris father wrote on the SS forum saying he is leaving too. He mentioned yuri had 3-4000 dls  a day

Can anyone trust that? SS forums have more attention seeking creep(ier) lunatics than crossdressers' board. : )

« Reply #191 on: May 19, 2013, 04:58 »
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Isn't the slice of the microstock pie getting bigger for random microstockers because the factories are moving on ?

yes, at least for a while, but not for long.

there must be an army of copycats and imitators with a big smile in their face now at the idea that Yuri's images will suddenly disappear in a few weeks.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 05:01 by Xanox »

« Reply #192 on: May 19, 2013, 04:59 »
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All due respects, but if you grow up living in a cage you can't see the fact you're in a cage. Granted CT isn't anywhere near as bad a Jo'berg but seriously, you've seen how the rest of us live, right? My family in JB can't even go to the loo in the middle of the night cos they have alarms everywhere. I guess you just get used to the fact that you can't randomly take fish n chips to the park, enjoy a bottle of wine and laze about while your children run around...

after all even Pistorius was sleeping with a rifle under his pillow and he ended up gunning down his own wife !
looks like a very safe place eh ! ?


« Reply #193 on: May 19, 2013, 05:02 »
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SS forums have more attention seeking creep(ier) lunatics than crossdressers' board. : )

I'm not actually familiar with crossdressers' boards ... but I'll accept your expertise on them.

« Reply #194 on: May 19, 2013, 05:07 »
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for his cost base.

I have other work and I don't rely on stock on as much job, but my costs are very low: I've got all the gear that my humble work requires, and I use each new paid assignment for the magazine I work for or commercial clients as my next stock shoot. For me the shoots don't really cost me anything, and most of the time I've been paid already to hand over half a dozen shots to the client, and I just shoot as many more as I feel necessary.

edit:
I have to also ask you why you are here, if you hate microstock so much? Is it just to crow with glee whenever something awful happens? It's called Schadenfreude, isn't it?

well, to each his production costs !

like you i'm very money conscious, i would never fly models in and out of 5 stars hotels to shoot subs for micros but if he like to play work hard and play hard it's not my business, i wish him good luck.

micros : i'm a stocker, no matter if RF or RM, this is not a religious war or my personal crusade.
all i'm asking is for agencies to raise the bar and for buyers to pay a fair price.

of course i enjoy the occasional rants and raves, too bad they close down the old alamy forum, i must be one of the most banned stockers around ... their new forum is almost dead now.




« Reply #195 on: May 19, 2013, 05:11 »
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Paranoia knows no bounds for some people. I've never owned a gun, my children frolic in the park and I walk the streets of my suburb by day and by night. At the moment I'm on the beach with my kids in one of the most beautiful spots in the world.

Yes, crime is high here, and you'd best be prudent, but it's mostly confined to deprived areas and it's not the siege some people think it is. I lived in the UK for years and didn't feel dramatically freer or safer. Anyway, back to the topic ... I don't think Yuri is exactly suffering in reluctant exile here.

« Reply #196 on: May 19, 2013, 05:41 »
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And, by the way, I live in Cape Town. It is anything but a hellhole. I'd far rather be here than in Denmark, regardless of costs.

Perfectly right.

I lived in Cape Town for 19 years until 2010.

It is a beautiful country with stunning locations to shoot. It is full of models and the people are extremely kind.
All the conclusions with the exchange rate also doesn't really make sense. Cape Town isn't as cheap as most of the people here might think.
I now live in Austria, which is one of the more expensive countries in Europe and the price differences really aren't that big.

« Reply #197 on: May 19, 2013, 07:02 »
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So many different angles to see this from, but whatever - it's big news.

I wish Yuri and his team well, and certainly don't blame him for 'getting into bed' with Getty, or for using his clout to negotiate the best possible deal with them.  Who wouldn't?

I totally agree that a Stocksy-type model would be good for all of us, but at the moment, fantastic though Stocksy looks, it's a 'boutique' model just now, with a carefully curated approach.  A Stocksy type of co-op model but aimed towards a wider market would be a great development, but also a huge undertaking.  Who knows though, maybe it'll happen in time.  A company like that, not lumbered with massive imposed debts and a demanding profit-obsessed ownership could do great business.

Fair enough it's very early days since this was only flagged up on Friday, but it would be in iStock's best interests to at least be somewhat clear about what's going on, there is already so much uncertainty about what's going on there, covering everything in more dollops of what sauce won't be good for anyone, including iS/Getty.

But as well as thinking that Yuri's perfectly entitled to get the best deal that he can, I can't really blame iStock for bending the rules or creating a special case for Yuri, especially around other sites still hosting his work for a brief period.  But at the same time, normal exclusives at iStock have played (and continue to play) an important role in the success of iStock, and if the integrity and rules of the exclusive system get more and more eroded and foggy, both customers and contributors are bound to get confused and maybe a little cynical.

OM

« Reply #198 on: May 19, 2013, 07:57 »
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Yuris father wrote on the SS forum saying he is leaving too. He mentioned yuri had 3-4000 dls  a day

Can anyone trust that? SS forums have more attention seeking creep(ier) lunatics than crossdressers' board. : )

And there are some over there that regard over here in exactly the same way.......prefix 'crossdressers' with 'psychotic'.  ;D

As to Yuri, IMO he wants to move his business to the next level in terms of creation/creativity and he can't do that from micropayments. He's still a young man who is driven, hardworking and creative both artistically/technically and businesswise. (Call it boilerplate stock if you will but Yuri was one of the first to produce technically 'perfect' quality RF stock and in my book that is creative).
In any form of photostock, distribution is the big problem and GI is the biggest image distributor on the planet with tracking and enforcement to match. So, why not do a deal if the conditions are right and I'm sure they were. Big producers need big distributors and with one distributor you can define your sale price to ensure that you make the return sufficient to sustain and progress the business.
OTH, I could be completely wrong and Yuri is setting up to retire at the age of 35 or pursue other interests. ;)
« Last Edit: May 19, 2013, 09:06 by OM »

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« Reply #199 on: May 19, 2013, 08:38 »
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