Author Topic: yuri arcurs is IS exclusive (Read 147439 times)

Ploink · « **Reply #450 on:** June 08, 2013, 16:16 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 08, 2013, 10:46

Why don't one of you guys contact IS support and pose the question? Obviously, they wouldn't answer me if I asked.

Seriously?

They have lied to us, they are lying to us, and they will lie to us in the future. The best that can be said is that they (IS) aren't actually lying because they (Getty) don't give them (IS) all the facts.

I think that we should accept - with our own sanity in mind - that, while all animals were created equal, some are more equal than others. And that some people got a (very) short end of the stick, while others, well, got a very special deal. The sooner people realize that they aren't in Kansas anymore, the sooner they will be able to make rational decisions about their own and their portfolio's future...

sharpshot · « **Reply #451 on:** June 08, 2013, 18:25 »

I still can't quite believe this is happening. Just when I think Getty/istock can't get any worse, they prove me wrong again. Would be interesting to see what would happen if some of the big exclusives saw Yuri was selling on other sites and demanded that they should be allowed to do the same. Seems wrong that all other exclusives are restricted from selling RF on other sites while one is given permission. Not ethical and I would of thought that if one person has a special deal, others would want to negotiate the same.

ShadySue · « **Reply #452 on:** June 08, 2013, 19:03 »

Am I missing something again?
Sorted by age, the most recent photo in the Urilux port was uploaded on 29th March, and the most recent file, an audio file, was uploaded 4th April.

Added: Whoops, I forgot that he still has a Yuri_arcurs port there too, which is where his new stuff is. (earlier in this thread)

Mellimage · « **Reply #453 on:** June 09, 2013, 01:17 »

Quote from: gostwyck on June 08, 2013, 10:05

I really don't understand what's going on here. There's surely no reason that his FT portfolio for example couldn't have been disabled at the same time as his SS portfolio (unless he had another 'special deal' with them too)? Even at DT Yuri doesn't appear to have uploaded for over a year so again his entire portfolio could be gone from there too.

I think this says something about who Getty/Istock perceive as the real competitor: SS. I wonder if the deal they negotiated with Y. looks something like that: "all work you uploaded so far can stay where it is, just do not add something to it (they aren't worried about the other agencies really), but your port from SS needs to be gone. Then you are welcome to be a Getty/istock (special) 'exclusive'."

Ron · « **Reply #454 on:** June 09, 2013, 01:39 »

Quote from: sharpshot on June 08, 2013, 18:25

I still can't quite believe this is happening. Just when I think Getty/istock can't get any worse, they prove me wrong again. Would be interesting to see what would happen if some of the big exclusives saw Yuri was selling on other sites and demanded that they should be allowed to do the same. Seems wrong that all other exclusives are restricted from selling RF on other sites while one is given permission. Not ethical and I would of thought that if one person has a special deal, others would want to negotiate the same.

Deals are made everywhere, its not an IS thing. I would like to opt out of subs on Deposit, but I cant. Others can. If you have a massive HCV port, you have negotiating power. We dont. Doesnt make it right, just that it happens everywhere. But it would be interesting to know what other exclusives think of the
Yuri / GY-IS deal.

sharpshot · « **Reply #455 on:** June 09, 2013, 03:44 »

Quote from: Ron on June 09, 2013, 01:39

Quote from: sharpshot on June 08, 2013, 18:25
I still can't quite believe this is happening. Just when I think Getty/istock can't get any worse, they prove me wrong again. Would be interesting to see what would happen if some of the big exclusives saw Yuri was selling on other sites and demanded that they should be allowed to do the same. Seems wrong that all other exclusives are restricted from selling RF on other sites while one is given permission. Not ethical and I would of thought that if one person has a special deal, others would want to negotiate the same.
Deals are made everywhere, its not an IS thing. I would like to opt out of subs on Deposit, but I cant. Others can. If you have a massive HCV port, you have negotiating power. We dont. Doesnt make it right, just that it happens everywhere. But it would be interesting to know what other exclusives think of the
Yuri / GY-IS deal.

I know other deals are done but we don't usually see what they are. This one is in the open, we can all see that he has been given preferential treatment. I think it makes a mockery of istock exclusivity.

Perhaps this is in indication that contributor exclusivity is going soon? The rules have been changed for one person, I don't see how that can work?

Oldhand · « **Reply #456 on:** June 09, 2013, 04:11 »

Shame Yuri doesn't dip in here to add some clarity. Why should he? Well he's happy to use this forum as a soundboard for ideas and his sunglasses copy-write issue; an explanation would end the speculation.

Why am I starting to think his input here only goes on way.

sharpshot · « **Reply #457 on:** June 09, 2013, 04:21 »

Hasn't his input here always only gone one way? I don't have anything against Yuri, he is a great business person and knows how to use this forum for his benefit. It looks like he has struck an amazing deal with Getty. I just don't think Getty have thought about their other contributors but that’s no surprise.

gostwyck · « **Reply #458 on:** June 09, 2013, 04:36 »

Quote from: Mellimage on June 09, 2013, 01:17

Quote from: gostwyck on June 08, 2013, 10:05

I really don't understand what's going on here. There's surely no reason that his FT portfolio for example couldn't have been disabled at the same time as his SS portfolio (unless he had another 'special deal' with them too)? Even at DT Yuri doesn't appear to have uploaded for over a year so again his entire portfolio could be gone from there too.

I think this says something about who Getty/Istock perceive as the real competitor: SS. I wonder if the deal they negotiated with Y. looks something like that: "all work you uploaded so far can stay where it is, just do not add something to it (they aren't worried about the other agencies really), but your port from SS needs to be gone. Then you are welcome to be a Getty/istock (special) 'exclusive'."

That did occur to me as well. Getty/IS certainly have every reason to consider SS as their major threat. However this 'deal', from what we know of it, appears to cross so many 'lines in the sand' that it reeks of desperation.

This supposed 'exclusive Vetta' image on IS would cost a customer about $300 for the largest size;

http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-15424386-training-session.php?st=0663f22

... or alternatively they could go to FT and buy the same size for 36 credits. Actually their cheapest option might be to buy a 5 image/month subscription for about $25 via which that image at maximum size could be theirs, along with 4 others, for about $5 apiece;

http://en.fotolia.com/id/29014491

The same 'exclusive Vetta' image also available on DT too and probably lots of other places.

Apart from the potential legal issues and credibility they stand the risk of damaging their relationship with customers. Were Getty/IS in such a hurry to close this deal that they have agreed to pretty much anything ... apart from Yuri's port being on SS?

tickstock · « **Reply #459 on:** June 09, 2013, 08:54 »

Quote from: Oldhand on June 09, 2013, 04:11

Shame Yuri doesn't dip in here to add some clarity. Why should he? Well he's happy to use this forum as a soundboard for ideas and his sunglasses copy-write issue; an explanation would end the speculation.

Why am I starting to think his input here only goes on way.

Quote from: Yuri_Arcurs on May 18, 2013, 01:31

Hi Guys.
We have found a good distribution partner (Getty Images) for the kind of content we produce. We will be removing all images from microstock doing the next few weeks. Microstock, especially subscription sites, are not suited for the kind of high production cost images we produce.
Best Yuri

He said he's going to take down all his images from the other microstock sites, I doubt he's lying.

Ron · « **Reply #460 on:** June 09, 2013, 09:10 »

Thats what I thought as well.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #461 on:** June 09, 2013, 09:11 »

Quote from: tickstock on June 09, 2013, 08:54

He said he's going to take down all his images from the other microstock sites, I doubt he's lying.

A "few" weeks have passed. So, at the least, he's proved inaccurate. Of course, the longer it takes, the more double dip cash you make.

pro@stockphotos · « **Reply #462 on:** June 09, 2013, 10:03 »

Quote from: sharpshot on June 09, 2013, 04:21

Hasn't his input here always only gone one way? I don't have anything against Yuri, he is a great business person and knows how to use this forum for his benefit. It looks like he has struck an amazing deal with Getty. I just don't think Getty have thought about their other contributors but that’s no surprise.

Look into the story of the highest selling woman on IS. Let's see, 36 and trying to figure out what to do to make a living up there in the Canada. I know I will go back to school and take graphic design classes. Hey what this IS. NO problem I will pick up a camera and instantly become the face of this stock site with no experience what so ever. Cool, this is so easy. Hey I just passed a million sales. Great thing I went back to take that graphic design class.

Does this sound legit to you? Or fair. Getty is just putting the best stock photographer in a position to shape the business model back into their favor. You have to remember the goal when getty was selling to the big hedge funds. Profit in the short term to boost sales price. No sane business would make yuri dominant in the search along with Monkey for so long if it did not boost the income by double. And it worked but it also built up the competition. Now is the holy$hit moment where they have to fend off the comp and Yuri off SS is a big shot accross the bow.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #463 on:** June 09, 2013, 10:05 »

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on June 09, 2013, 10:03

Does this sound legit to you? Or fair.

Whaaat? Lise was in the right place at the right time, and did the right thing. I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #464 on:** June 09, 2013, 10:14 »

over 3k files uploaded from monkeybusinessimages in the last month (+30% in terms of portfolio)

not much to say about that

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #465 on:** June 09, 2013, 11:13 »

Looks like they bought a collection of food photos, and then uploaded more of the same old bright white business groups, people with headsets type stuff.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #466 on:** June 09, 2013, 11:15 »

I wonder if iStock (or Getty) is being singled out. Even small players have been offered "special deals." I know of several who found offers from DP unethical -- even refusing to be a part of special deals. Even I was offered a special deal at Cutcaster (to keep my mouth shut.)
Why is this "special deal" any different?
And, do you really think Y is the only contributor getting a "special deal?"

What is it that any of us expect WE can do about it?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #467 on:** June 09, 2013, 11:19 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on June 09, 2013, 11:15

Even I was offered a special deal at Cutcaster (to keep my mouth shut.)

aren't you opening it now?

loop · « **Reply #468 on:** June 09, 2013, 11:34 »

" the highest selling woman on IS" also happens to be a hell of a photographer, good at concepts, brilliant at execution, intense at work, way better at the craft than most of us. What matters what she was being before being a photographer?

pro@stockphotos · « **Reply #469 on:** June 09, 2013, 11:53 »

Quote from: loop on June 09, 2013, 11:34

" the highest selling woman on IS" also happens to be a hell of a photographer, good at concepts, brilliant at execution, intense at work, way better at the craft than most of us. What matters what she was being before being a photographer?

I am just challenging the belief of a natural rise and a fair market place. There has been a lot of behind the curtain stuff going on since IS began. And Getty is way worse!! If you believe this was natural tallent then how was she so far ahead of everybody just to get caught. Like I said before sean outsould her 3 to 1 since 2010. Go back and look his first images and you see a natural progression in ability. Yuri had a warp jump from his first images in a few months. There are people who figure it out and it takes years. Then there are these unexplainable warp jumps in finished images.

gostwyck · « **Reply #470 on:** June 09, 2013, 12:05 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on June 09, 2013, 11:13

Looks like they bought a collection of food photos, and then uploaded more of the same old bright white business groups, people with headsets type stuff.

I think most of those food images are a good few years old. MBI didn't bother to upload them due to the upload limits at IS but they were available elsewhere.

cathyslife · « **Reply #471 on:** June 09, 2013, 12:08 »

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on June 09, 2013, 11:53

Quote from: loop on June 09, 2013, 11:34
" the highest selling woman on IS" also happens to be a hell of a photographer, good at concepts, brilliant at execution, intense at work, way better at the craft than most of us. What matters what she was being before being a photographer?

I am just challenging the belief of a natural rise and a fair market place. There has been a lot of behind the curtain stuff going on since IS began. And Getty is way worse!! If you believe this was natural tallent then how was she so far ahead of everybody just to get caught. Like I said before sean outsould her 3 to 1 since 2010. Go back and look his first images and you see a natural progression in ability. Yuri had a warp jump from his first images in a few months. There are people who figure it out and it takes years. Then there are these unexplainable warp jumps in finished images.

I have noticed the warp jumps too, but I just attributed it to people who have money behind them to buy the best equipment, some quick photography lessons, money to buy props and hire models and travel vs. the rest of us who progress over a period of a year or years and have to work our way up to the top, without the benefit of a huge amount of cash behind us.

cthoman · « **Reply #472 on:** June 09, 2013, 12:17 »

Quote from: cclapper on June 09, 2013, 12:08

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on June 09, 2013, 11:53
Quote from: loop on June 09, 2013, 11:34
" the highest selling woman on IS" also happens to be a hell of a photographer, good at concepts, brilliant at execution, intense at work, way better at the craft than most of us. What matters what she was being before being a photographer?

I am just challenging the belief of a natural rise and a fair market place. There has been a lot of behind the curtain stuff going on since IS began. And Getty is way worse!! If you believe this was natural tallent then how was she so far ahead of everybody just to get caught. Like I said before sean outsould her 3 to 1 since 2010. Go back and look his first images and you see a natural progression in ability. Yuri had a warp jump from his first images in a few months. There are people who figure it out and it takes years. Then there are these unexplainable warp jumps in finished images.

I have noticed the warp jumps too, but I just attributed it to people who have money behind them to buy the best equipment, some quick photography lessons, money to buy props and hire models and travel vs. the rest of us who progress over a period of a year or years and have to work our way up to the top, without the benefit of a huge amount of cash behind us.

That would seem to be a more obvious answer that somebody is just putting in the time, effort, money, etc.

gostwyck · « **Reply #473 on:** June 09, 2013, 12:23 »

Quote from: pro@stockphotos on June 09, 2013, 11:53

Quote from: loop on June 09, 2013, 11:34
" the highest selling woman on IS" also happens to be a hell of a photographer, good at concepts, brilliant at execution, intense at work, way better at the craft than most of us. What matters what she was being before being a photographer?

I am just challenging the belief of a natural rise and a fair market place. There has been a lot of behind the curtain stuff going on since IS began. And Getty is way worse!! If you believe this was natural tallent then how was she so far ahead of everybody just to get caught. Like I said before sean outsould her 3 to 1 since 2010. Go back and look his first images and you see a natural progression in ability. Yuri had a warp jump from his first images in a few months. There are people who figure it out and it takes years. Then there are these unexplainable warp jumps in finished images.

There was a natural progression with Lise too __ you just weren't around early enough to see it. Lise has always cleaned her portfolio of earlier images that she considered below standard. I know people that have worked with Lise over the years too and they say she's a unique talent with a unique way of working. Every set-up is always one click of the shutter. Then she moves on to the next. She knows she's got the shot. Everytime.

If Yuri's port was still available on SS then you have been able to see the extraordinary progression there too (that was where he started). From shots of squirrels in his back garden with a P&S ... to world-class business concepts ... in about 18 months.

The proof of the 'fairness' in the system is the fact that Yuri, as an independent contributor, was actually allowed to surpass Istock's exclusive heroine. They could easily have rigged to best match (even further) to prevent it.

ShadySue · « **Reply #474 on:** June 09, 2013, 12:41 »

Quote from: gostwyck on June 09, 2013, 12:23

I know people that have worked with Lise over the years too and they say she's a unique talent with a unique way of working. Every set-up is always one click of the shutter. Then she moves on to the next. She knows she's got the shot. Everytime.

I'm not questioning her skills, and I had no idea what pro was beefing about; but her models, some of which are animals, never, ever blink or twitch? That's a truly unique talent.

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