pancakes

MicrostockGroup Sponsors


Author Topic: Profotos vs AlienBees?  (Read 35121 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2009, 13:12 »
0
color temp. is going to be far more consistant especially over time with the Profoto that is one of their biggest selling points but for Micro I don't know if it really matters for the end user. Less color correction in post with the Profoto when mixing with daylight than some of the other cheaper brands.. Accessories and durability are another reason. You can't make a comparison to their durability and longevity, it's like the difference of closing the door on a VW as apposed to the door of a high end Mercedes. You get what you pay for. Get the 7b 1200 watt second Profoto if you are planning on staying in photography for sometime. It will be the last pack you'll have to by. 2 sec. recycle time is a big pain as well. Tough to capture that expression when you are waiting for your lights to recycle if you are shooting people.


« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2009, 15:03 »
0
color temp. is going to be far more consistant especially over time with the Profoto that is one of their biggest selling points but for Micro I don't know if it really matters for the end user. Less color correction in post with the Profoto when mixing with daylight than some of the other cheaper brands.. Accessories and durability are another reason. You can't make a comparison to their durability and longevity, it's like the difference of closing the door on a VW as apposed to the door of a high end Mercedes. You get what you pay for. Get the 7b 1200 watt second Profoto if you are planning on staying in photography for sometime. It will be the last pack you'll have to by. 2 sec. recycle time is a big pain as well. Tough to capture that expression when you are waiting for your lights to recycle if you are shooting people.

Agree.  Alien Bees/White Lightning are considered to be prosumer lighting.  If you want true professional lighting, go with Profoto.  It's the brand Annie Liebowitz and other top photographers use.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2009, 15:05 by Karimala »

« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2009, 15:44 »
0
Agree.  Alien Bees/White Lightning are considered to be prosumer lighting.  If you want true professional lighting, go with Profoto.  It's the brand Annie Liebowitz and other top photographers use.


Right, Annie Liebowitz also uses Hasselblad, Mamiya and Nikon.
I guess that means Canons are prosumer.

Oh, and there is this one kinda-sorta professional photographer named Dave Hill (maybe you have head of him) that
is known to use Paul C Buff strobes right along side his Profoto ring flash.

The White Lightning strobe is cleary visible in this video:
http://www.davehillphoto.com/behind_the_scenes/atreyu.mov
http://www.davehillphoto.com/
« Last Edit: March 30, 2009, 22:29 by nosaya »

« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2009, 11:21 »
0
Great thread, I have been asking myself a lot of these same questions.

I started out using off camera flashes for my studio stuff, they are great cheap and portable but also unreliable and very frustrating most of the time.

I have been looking at the AB800's, hoping to get two of those for my studio.

« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2009, 11:38 »
0

« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2009, 11:46 »
0

PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2009, 12:53 »
0
I did notice that sometimes they wouldn't fire - about 5 of the frames out of the 300 I shot didn't fire.  I don't know why...

I still can't get any reviews on the cheap $299 kit from Adorama.


I'm having this problem with my AB800 right now. But I'd say it's about 20% of my shots it's not firing which is starting to get annoying.

Maybe I got a lemon but I don't have that loving feeling about ABs that most other people do. The power cord connector doesn't stay secured in the back. The power switch sometimes doesn't work.  And compared to some other lights I looked at they seem kinda homemade. But everybody raves about them so I figured I'd try them.

I contacted support to see what they have to say and am awaiting a response.

I'm also checking into the Genesis strobes that Calumet carries. http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/CF0514/

« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2009, 13:02 »
0
I did notice that sometimes they wouldn't fire - about 5 of the frames out of the 300 I shot didn't fire.  I don't know why...

I still can't get any reviews on the cheap $299 kit from Adorama.


I'm having this problem with my AB800 right now. But I'd say it's about 20% of my shots it's not firing which is starting to get annoying.

Maybe I got a lemon but I don't have that loving feeling about ABs that most other people do. The power cord connector doesn't stay secured in the back. The power switch sometimes doesn't work.  And compared to some other lights I looked at they seem kinda homemade. But everybody raves about them so I figured I'd try them.

I contacted support to see what they have to say and am awaiting a response.

I'm also checking into the Genesis strobes that Calumet carries. http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/CF0514/


I was looking at those Genesis 400's too (I have heard good things about them), but they are about the same price as the AB800's and half as much power. The replacement bulbs are like twice as much too.

Is there any good way of determining how much power you need? I dont want to spend the extra $ on watts I dont need.

PaulieWalnuts

  • On the Wrong Side of the Business
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2009, 13:53 »
0
I did notice that sometimes they wouldn't fire - about 5 of the frames out of the 300 I shot didn't fire.  I don't know why...

I still can't get any reviews on the cheap $299 kit from Adorama.


I'm having this problem with my AB800 right now. But I'd say it's about 20% of my shots it's not firing which is starting to get annoying.

Maybe I got a lemon but I don't have that loving feeling about ABs that most other people do. The power cord connector doesn't stay secured in the back. The power switch sometimes doesn't work.  And compared to some other lights I looked at they seem kinda homemade. But everybody raves about them so I figured I'd try them.

I contacted support to see what they have to say and am awaiting a response.

I'm also checking into the Genesis strobes that Calumet carries. http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/CF0514/


I was looking at those Genesis 400's too (I have heard good things about them), but they are about the same price as the AB800's and half as much power. The replacement bulbs are like twice as much too.

Is there any good way of determining how much power you need? I dont want to spend the extra $ on watts I dont need.


The power thing is kind of deceptive with ABs. They're rated with effective power and true power. Looking at true power at AB800 is 320 w/s and the Calumet 400 is 400 w/s so technically the Calumet is more powerful. In actual light output I'm not sure how this works. The Genesis strobes I saw in the store are pretty nice and well built. On the downside the speedring for the softbox is way more than the AB.

« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2009, 14:02 »
0
That is a little confusing with the AB "effective and true watts". I asked them about it and they sent me an email about a mile long that was way over my head. Seems like most people are confused by it too.

Im still not totally what lights too get, I need two and would like to keep it under $600. Those Calumet's look nice, im just not sure if they are powerful enough.


 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
5 Replies
10788 Views
Last post February 15, 2008, 22:48
by PaulieWalnuts
0 Replies
4324 Views
Last post May 05, 2009, 10:47
by click_click
12 Replies
7099 Views
Last post April 03, 2010, 05:31
by robggs

Sponsors

Microstock Poll Results