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Title: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on January 30, 2007, 05:57
anyone want to trade comments on lucky oliver photos.

They continually say that it helps sales.  Not sure if that means by leaving comments you are boosting your own portfolio somehow, or boosting the ranking of the site in general, none the less it is nice to get comments and can't hurt anything.

Portfolio (http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/leaf/popular)

There is a link to my portfolio.  Let me know if you left a comment and give me a link to your portfolio and I'll do the same.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: snem on January 30, 2007, 06:10
a rating gang on LO too?  ;D What I have to do, boss?  ;D
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on January 30, 2007, 06:14
no ratings, just comments :)

give some comments on a few, or one of my photos and post a link and I'll do the same for you.

Here is a link to lucky oliver where they talk about giving comments
Comment Coaching (http://www.luckyoliver.com/blog/153/comment_coaching)
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: snem on January 30, 2007, 06:36
Yes, I will do. Let me continue a bit with my human shoulder kinematic model and then I will comment few.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: CJPhoto on January 30, 2007, 07:13
looks like they are playing the Google game and trying to increase their ratings on google.

Just beware the Google shuffle (when they change their serach method and previoius numbers 1's disappear - it has destroyed many internet businesses).
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: berryspun on January 30, 2007, 10:20
That's a very good idea Tyler.  And it is obvious that it supports Bryan's wish to get some potential buyers' attention.  Maybe to make it more practical, have a list of the LO photographers  who would like to participate on the right column along with the lightboxes?

As a side note, there was a LO photographer a few months ago who reacted quite strongly when one of the comments was to whiten a little bit more his model's teeth.  He expressed his desire not to receive any comments on his portfolio so that the comments wouldn't influence negatively his sales.

Since in this context the idea is to have more exposure to get some sales, I would suggest to leave comments only for the pictures we find appealing, the same way we only gave a 5-star rating for our preferred pictures on each IS portfolio.

My LO portfolio is:
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/berryspun
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on January 30, 2007, 10:26
ok, for what it's worth I left some comments on your photos.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: berryspun on January 30, 2007, 10:37
Just read them, thanks :)

Ouch, you martial belts question...
...yes, they are 'ours', my children's  ;)  would it hurt the sales if I would answer it on the LO site?  Tricky...

I left some comments too.

Any other takers?
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: GeoPappas on January 30, 2007, 12:03
Please feel free, if you find some spare time, to leave comments on my images.  You can find them here:

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/GeoPappas/popular

Please remember to only leave (positive) comments on the images that you like.  Otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: admart01 on January 30, 2007, 12:06
Thanks for this idea -- I'm in.  Here's my link

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/invision/popular%5DPortfolio
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: mjp on January 30, 2007, 12:10
My images can be found here:

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/mjp/popular

I try to comment many of your photos I can, it's quite hard bcoz my english is not so good.

br, Mikko P.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on January 30, 2007, 12:16
Please feel free, if you find some spare time, to leave comments on my images.  You can find them here:

[url]http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/GeoPappas/popular[/url]

Please remember to only leave (positive) comments on the images that you like.  Otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose.



I commented 3 of your photos.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Pixart on January 30, 2007, 18:08
Yes, bringing a photo to the forefront with a comment can really add some interest.  I was quite startled to find four comments on one photo over the weekend. 

I have a question about that though.  Is it appropriate for the photographer to extend thanks on the photo comments?  If the thank you wouldn't be attached to the photograph for all of eternity (or until it is sold outright  :D)  it would be an easy answer - but if no question was asked directly of the photographer wouldn't it seem like a "vanity" attempt to draw attention to yourself again by posting a comment?  Every time I get a comment  I get pretty excited - but feel like a schmuck not acknowledging it.

Oh, and I'll do some browsing tonight/tomorrow and add some.

Here's my linkhttp://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/Pixart/popular (http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/Pixart/popular)
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Lior on January 30, 2007, 18:49
I'll play this game too :-)

my portfolio is at: http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/LiorFil/popular

it's almost 2am here and I'm heading for bed, but I will comment on some pictures tomorrow...
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: jjneff on January 30, 2007, 19:44
I will play as well! Just let me know who I need to comment on. I'll try and do all on this thread.

here is mine
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/jjneff/popular/1
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: lbarn on January 31, 2007, 17:00
I don't know if it was a coincidence, but number of views jumped by almost 30 after berryspun left a few comments, other comments would be welcome.

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/lbarn/popular (http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/lbarn/popular)

I will "play this game" and comment as well.

Lee
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: river on January 31, 2007, 18:45
Hi,

I have left comments on two of leaf's photos. Will do the same with others too...

Here is my link,

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/river/popular

Take care,
River
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Peiling on February 01, 2007, 04:31
Ok, I have commented for:- (will update as I go along)
-> Leaf
-> Berryspun
-> Pixart
-> Nikicruz
-> Trac
-> fjs
-> River
->lbarn
-> GeoPappas


My Lucky Oliver Portfolio
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/Peiling/popular/1
 (http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/Peiling/popular/1)

Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Opla on February 01, 2007, 05:23
I've commented on

river
lbarn
jjneff

more to follow
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: river on February 01, 2007, 05:57
I've commented on

river
lbarn
jjneff

more to follow

Thanks man... And thanks for keywords suggestion. I will do comment for yours.

How shall I find out which of my photos are commented??? :( Is it only by going through photos to check whether it is commented or not???  ;)

Bryan Please Help!!!
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: maunger on February 01, 2007, 06:00

How shall I find out which of my photos are commented??? :( Is it only by going through photos to check whether it is commented or not???  ;)

Bryan Please Help!!!


River - go to your home page
http://www.luckyoliver.com/home
look for a link in the lower right that says "received comments"

it should take you to a link like this (or put in your profile name - mine is maunger - replace that with yours)
http://www.luckyoliver.com/profile/maunger/received_comments

Mitch
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: berryspun on February 01, 2007, 16:28
Oh my!  there is one photographer (not from this forum) who rated one of my picture.  So, as a thanking gesture, I rated 3 of his in an uplifting way in his portfolio.

Well... he came back to my portfolio.  I don't doubt about his good intentions of trying to help improve the quality of my pictures.   However, the downside consequences of it are that two of the shots now have some suggestions for better light (cranberries) and better angle (apple pie) for improving them  :-[

I know, my pictures are not perfect, but...  I'm afraid it will now discourage designers to choose them, or at least put a doubt in their mind.  Anyway, just wanted to share.

I appreciate everyone here who took the time to go through my portfolio and left some nice comments.  Yes, I do appreciate it a lot, thanks!
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on February 01, 2007, 18:08
when viewing this board you should see all the peoples links to their lucky oliver gallery who have posted their portfolio in this thread.

thanks berryspun for the link summery.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on February 01, 2007, 18:43
This is one reason why I was apprehensive when Bryan first suggested the commenting.  I'm thankful that I haven't gotten any 'negative' comments on my pix at LO.  And I will not comment on any others pictures unless I have something really nice to say about them. 
    Of what logical purpose would a negative comment or corrective criticism/suggestion serve? I feel they would only hinder a purchase and detract from the picture and it's worth as it stands.
    A buyer could look at your shot and first impression be, 'Hey, Great Picture!"  ...then read a comment about a blown highlight or a different focal or lighting suggestion, view it completely different  and then think....  "Humm, I didn't notice that, yeah, maybe I'll look at another shot" ..   That's what I feared about the original LO suggestion about comments.  I wouldn't mind suggestions at all, I'd welcome them,  IF... they weren't available to the buying public.
     Fortunately so far, from the comments I have read by many of the folks here,  they seem to be complimentary and of a good nature. And that's what they should be.  We're trying to help each other increase our sales,  not the opposite.
     I read those comments  berryspun.  I wouldn't lose any sleep over them.  They are your pictures, you like them,  Lucky Oliver liked them, and that's good enough. You have a very good portfolio. 
     What's the point?   One man's trash is another's treasure.  Pick any micro or macro site, pull up anyones portfolio,  and a hundred different photogs could come up with two hundred suggestions to  'improve' the shot.  While the owner feels it is perfect just as it is.
     We get it every day in this business.   StockXpert will reject my picture as  'too dark' ,   or 'not commercial material' .... and SS will take it and sell it 3 or 4 dozen times in one month.  That's the point.  If you are happy with it, that's all that matters.

      I am not against criticism and/or advice from other photogs.  I openly accept it and I desire it. That's one of the reasons why I joined this forum.  And I've gotten a whole boat-load of good to great advice here.  It makes me a better shooter.     BUT....  it  is not appropriate when posted right under a person's photo where potenial buyers are viewing it.  Send it via email, or tell each other  about it here.   Don't hang a virtual sign in the other guys store-front window saying,  "This photo is okay, but it could be better!"
     I don't think that was the intention of this forum.  Just as  GeoPappas said,  " ....only leave (positive) comments on the images that you like.  Otherwise it would defeat the whole purpose. "
     I've started leaving comments on many of your pictures and I hope to comment on all that want them. I can assure you, I will only be leaving comments that will spur on potential customers to buy your photo!!
     When I feel a little more confident about my work :D, I'll post my link too  .... but some of you have already unknowingly commented on my work at LO and they have all been very complimentary.   I appreciate it very much.

      The good news is that berryspun's commenter appears not to be one of the family here.  And I know that the family here would never intentionally hurt one of it's own.  It's a great idea as long as we continue to take care of each other.   On the other hand, perhaps the commenter wasn't being nefarious at all, probably only doing what LO wants the comments to be about.. .. constructive criticism..  I just don't think the buyers area is the place to do it.  Make 'em private, not public.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: GeoPappas on February 01, 2007, 19:10
tgt:

Great post.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: bryan_luckyoliver on February 01, 2007, 20:39
tgt-
It's good to have a dialog about this...I even think it is ok to write your concerns on the LuckyOliver blog. Let me outline a few more thoughts on the subject.

1. We have a long term strategy that involves many different types of marketing activities- one that cannot be ignored is Google. The beast has to be fed. Comments are a great way to feed this monster.  There are a number of technical reasons for our set-up (I won't bore you with all the details, but the site is built to benefit our contributors). While we can say 'write only positive comments', it's not really helpful to the community, nor would it build trust with our customers.

2. It might be odd, but a photo with a negative comment that gets 2 views a day from Google is more likely to be sold.  You'll have to trust us on this. From the limited dataset we have, people still buy photos that are overexposed and crooked. Sometimes they just need THAT image.

3. Remember, Bouncers are helping filter photos before they go on the site. Giving photographers the option to further comment ties the community together. Yeah, I know how other stock sites are...but we're not like them, nor do we intend to be like them. Education is important- the web provides a great place to learn.

Amazon proved that you can still sell products that half of customers don't like- marketing with only positive feedback doesn't always work.  Most buyers would prefer to know more about what they're buying. If you look at my comments 90% are positive.  The other 10% I find a way to spin the negatives in a way that isn't 'the right way', but as an alternative.

4. Let me give you an example: Remember Leaf's photo of the chiwawa?
http://www.luckyoliver.com/photo/79609/chiwawa

He gets 15-30 views on this photo from Google everyday with the word 'chiwawa'.  I'm guessing if everyone commented on his photos, it would increase his ranking on Google. There are a number of factors for this...but it's a great example from this group.

5. People buy from people, not just a nameless database.  Comments are a way for the character of the site to come alive.  Customers will gravitate towards optimism, education and high quality. In the conversations I have with customers they typically comment on how they enjoy the openness of LuckyOliver. That's not created by me, it's all of you guys coming together to share your ideas and photos.

6. Here is more thoughts on the idea:
http://www.luckyoliver.com/blog/153/comment_coaching
http://www.luckyoliver.com/blog/126/More+on+Comments
http://www.luckyoliver.com/blog/144/hey_you_cant_say_that


While we're not always right, we're going to continue to support comments.  Right now it's helping immensely- if it looks like it's a dud, we'll be the first to admit it. Thanks for everyone's participation...you guys are really fun to read.

Bryan
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Void on February 01, 2007, 22:28
To Bryan

"he gets 15-30 views on this photo from Google everyday with the word 'chiwawa'.  I'm guessing if everyone commented on his photos, it would increase his ranking on Google. There are a number of factors for this...but it's a great example from this group."

being a website builder and having fairly decent knowledge on how search engines work,  I don't see the sense or logic in your statement.  how do comments on a picture, which chances are do not have the dog's breed written in it increase it's google rating {unles one is word spamming}. random words connected with "chiwawa" will do nothing to increase where it ends up on the search page. could you be more specific with your statement please?

The only info that comes up on Google on the example given is the metatags {taken from source info:<meta name="title" content="Chiwawa photo by tyler olson, LuckyOliver stock photo" />
<meta name="description" content="Stock photo: A white chihuahua posing for the camera" />}

The Google result :Chiwawa photo by tyler olson, LuckyOliver stock photo
Stock photo: A white chihuahua posing for the camera.

no comments seen there.....


Yes the search engines like text, but when I am searching for images on google i go right to the "images " section that comes up....silly me, maybe I should be looking at the words instead of the pictures....if I am looking for a stock photo, I go to the stock sites.....

I am still not a believer in the comments helping sales, but would like to be.

I also feel that it would be better for the photographers and the buyers to hear comments directly from designers and those that actually put these pictures to use.

Even if it is still small at this point, showing us the best sellers on the stats page will give all a good idea of what is actually selling.

the proof is in the pudding as they say.

Hope I wasn't out of line, hope no one was offended, now stop spending so much time typing words and go take more pictures....we are photographers and artists ain't we?
:-)






Quote from Michael Grecco: "How many photographers does it take to change a lightbulb? Fifty. One to change it an 49 to say how they would have done it differently."
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on February 01, 2007, 22:38
Bryan.. and all.   My comments above were not to be meant as negative criticism  directed towards Lucky Oliver. A check of my uploading record to LO will testify to my feelings toward LO and my hope for their future success. LO is the first place I upload every new pic I shoot, first place! LO holds my largest portfolio (BigStock close behind). 
   When the comment option first came up on LO, I had mixed emotions. I had seen my wife go through a commenting fiasco on a site where she sold her photography.  It went down in two directions. One group, making endless request via the site mail begging people to make comments on their work  pro quid quo.....  you give me 5 comments, I'll give you 5. More time was spent in emails than in shooting pix.  The other group became vindictive,  "You can get better pictures of such and such ...yada yada...elsewhere".  Very negative and unflattering comments.   Neither served any useful purpose, rather, they became damaging. My wife eventually pulled all her work and closed the account, as did others on the site. 
       I understood what  LO is looking for in comments but I wondered, would all carnies?.  As I said in my comment above, I was apprehensive about it.  However, I made a decision at that time to support the LO effort.  I wanted and still want to see this Lucky Oliver machine succeed. And I admit here to all what I did say on the blog back on November 5th ....   quote from the LO blog

Considering the professional level in the photography of the other Carnies here......      .... I can only see their personal comments as a means to further improve my own work. I think it will be a positive addition to the site.

That was based on the hope that comments would be positive and also that they would be monitored by the powers that be at LO.  And, that if they got out of hand, or inappropriate, they'd be censored. I supported it while at the same time being a bit skeptical of the outcome.
     At this time, I am still leery about the public commenting and my final feelings are still held in reserve. However, I do actively comment on LO and I made the above quoted comment on the blog  in support of your request and... in the hopes that those "professionals" would use the comment option in a proper manner.  You personally have made comments on a couple of my pictures and  they were flattering and helpful.  But, that is you. You are a professional and you are well aware of 'model' business and people management practices.  All of the comments made on my LO pictures are complimentary.  But evidently some carnies are not as gentle or tactful.  That's human nature.
   As well,  many do not desire to have comments attached to their pictures, pro or con, but particularly con.  When I have made comments on my fellow carnies pix, I try to be encouraging and upbuilding. I will continue to comment on others pictures in a positive manner.  However,  I remain in my opinion that I do not see how a negative comment can be of value in the selling of the picture. I can understand how it may increase the views.... but not it's sales.
     
     I have to bow to your superior knowledge of how the comments have affect on the internet and its workings.  I know zip about the topic.  You are the president and leader of this future mega-corp (hopefully). You have a very public record of success in the business world. You've proven yourself. I respect that.    I, on the other hand,  just teach business management to low and mid-managers [you know what they say about teachers]  ;).  I accept what you're telling us on LO, as can be evidenced by my participation in the Lucky Oliver program and agenda. I'd love to see my LO sales  as 84% of my volume, and I'm hanging in there.
      I'm always open to learn something new.  As it is,  you'll just have to  show me, in time,  how those kinds of comments will help sales.

Hey, if it turns out to be true...  I can eat my words... I can admit I'm wrong...    I personally have a very thick skin. If negative comments will sell my pictures, ..... go fer it!   If it'll sell a pic a couple dozen times a day, bring it on, rip it up! :)  However, most people, I believe, will not be so accepting.
        I did not intend to offend anyone in my comments,especially Bryan and the LO folks.  Just because I am only in 99.9% agreement with the LO philosophy, doesn't mean I don't want to be on the rocketship with Bryan and the gang when it takes off!      Peace - tom

Bryan, I would like to personally mail you from the LO site about this.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: bryan_luckyoliver on February 02, 2007, 00:18
TGT-
I didn't really see what you wrote as negative!  I'm an evangelist for everyone on LuckyOliver, so I want people to know why we support certain ideas and features. We can't please everyone, but we want photographers and illustrators to know why we make decisions.

It's not even reasonable to expect everything we do will be liked. We have many great relationships with members who don't always like everything about us.  It's more important that we have a forum to discuss ideas.  You win some, you lose some. We do listen :)

We appreciate your efforts!

Void-
Like you said, the proof is in the pudding. Building a company takes time.  I admire the job Shutterstock has done in building a great site.  It's taken them 4-5 years to build their company.  I applaud them for their efforts, but we don't want to be another Shutterstock. We've been live for 8 months.  The site is still not buyer focused, but we have made some huge strides in the last two months.

And yes, you have some parts correct about Google, but 'on page' content is only one part of how Google works.  Google has over 100 variables they play with in determining the value of a web page.  One of the largest factors is PageRank.  Think of the web as a series of connected pages- Google tries to make sense of this mess through links.

I don't want to go into specifics of what we're doing, but I can assure you that Leaf's page didn't get higher simply because of the 'on-page' content-it has just as much to do with who and how many people linked to his page. I've been doing this for ten years, increased many businesses revenues online and have helped build ClickTracks, an award winning web analytics software.

We're not always right, but this is a good direction for LuckyOliver. Again, I appreciate the effort everyone has put into LuckyOliver. We had another record sales, download and traffic month.  Thanks!

Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Pixart on February 02, 2007, 00:53
I think I've commented at least once on everyone above.

I've had a great time kicking around in everyone's portfolios the past couple days.  Seems like I know know you better.   Berryspun - Iowa looks a lot like Saskatchewan/Manitoba (but I bet it's not -20 down there tonight though).

Thanks, everyone, for all the encouraging comments that have come my way. 
-Lorraine
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on February 02, 2007, 01:11
It's 1:06 am for me and I just finished hitting everyone here that posted a link.  I echo Lorraine's comment in seeming to know you all better.  I enjoyed all your work and could have commented on many of your pictures!  We have some really great photogs in the family here!!    -tom
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: berryspun on February 02, 2007, 01:29
Lorraine, minus 20 Celsius or Fahrenheit ?  :)

Currently where I live in Iowa:

Thursday Night, Feb 1
Low: 8 °F RealFeel®: -20 °F
Low: -14 °C RealFeel®: -29 °C
Mostly cloudy, breezy and cold

I agree too, I was also very happy to browse through such a diversity of great portfolios.  Such a treat!

Thank you TGT, GeoPappas, Void, and Bryan, for your very detailed comments in this thread.  Heartfelt and very instructive.

As a follow-up for the 2 pictures in question, I have added comments myself, just to clarify the choices I made for the lighting and the perspective of these 2 pictures.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on February 02, 2007, 09:01
I'm guessing pixart was meaning celcius, which would mean -4 F plus whatever the wind chill was.. (or realfeel for americans, if that is what you use).  Currently in saskatchewan it is -22 C which is about -8 F
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: GeoPappas on February 02, 2007, 09:22
whatever the wind chill was.. (or realfeel for americans, if that is what you use).


The U.S. uses wind chill also.

RealFeel is a temperature index that was trademarked by AccuWeather that is supposed to be more accurate.  See the following for more info:

http://www.accuweather.com/iwxpage/adc/help/pr_realfeel_pr.htm
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: berryspun on February 02, 2007, 10:06
You're right, wind chill is the accurate expression.  I realize that there is a little ® after RealFeel, and yes I took the info from the AccuWeather site.

Back tho the topic of the thread, if anyone else would like to be added to the LO list for adding comments for fellow photographer's pictures (the ones you like, of course), here is the place to add your link.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: madelaide on February 02, 2007, 15:42
I'm here:
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/madelaide/newest/1

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: digiology on February 02, 2007, 17:19
Me too:
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/digiology/popular

Berryspun - Thanks for the well written descriptive comments.

Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: w7lwi on February 02, 2007, 20:12
One more.

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/Triassic/popular
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: pelmof on February 03, 2007, 13:52
Hi, all. I'm playing--have commented on a few so far, and will continue. My link is here:
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/pelmof/popular/1

P__
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: madelaide on February 03, 2007, 17:40
Hey folks, let's not exagerate in the number of comments.  Someone may get angry at that...  :)

Regards,
Adelaide
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Pixart on February 05, 2007, 19:30
This is a good example of what is WRONG with the comments feature.  Look at the incoherent mean spirited crap this "Carnie" is posting.  Seems to be focused on photos accepted today. 


I removed the link since it's been taken care of.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on February 05, 2007, 21:09
Pixart....   Are you talking about "dario"??  'cause I just clicked on the link and there's nothing there... ??   Maybe Bryan or one of the others wiped it out?   What happened?     -tom
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Void on February 05, 2007, 21:15
there was a lot of them and they deserved to be deleted, you didnt miss anything tgt
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on February 05, 2007, 22:58
Well, I'm just happy to hear that LO is on top of it.  Put's one of my concerns to rest.  -tom
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Pixart on February 06, 2007, 00:30
There - I successfully removed the link from my earlier post.  Give the guy a second chance... (the three pix in is portfolio are actually pretty good).  Judging by his incoherent ramblings he was likely drunk and will wake up blissfully unaware of what his evil alter ego was up to.

Everyone has a right to their opinion... but he had about 12 nasties in a row.  It's reassuring that LO caught on right away and gave him a spanking.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on February 06, 2007, 08:07
 ;D  wasn't him..... t'was his evil twin.....   8)   --tom
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: scubabartek on February 20, 2007, 17:41
Here is a non-geek translation guys:

The fact that the page itself has comments has no bearing for Google. What helps is that every time a photographer comments on a picture, the link to that page with a photo is written onto another page. So if 10 of you comment on my picture, suddenly that page has 10 links linking to it, therefore increasing its page ranking.

So yup. Okay I'm in for some ratings too.

And yes, you have some parts correct about Google, but 'on page' content is only one part of how Google works.  Google has over 100 variables they play with in determining the value of a web page.  One of the largest factors is PageRank.  Think of the web as a series of connected pages- Google tries to make sense of this mess through links.

I don't want to go into specifics of what we're doing, but I can assure you that Leaf's page didn't get higher simply because of the 'on-page' content-it has just as much to do with who and how many people linked to his page. I've been doing this for ten years, increased many businesses revenues online and have helped build ClickTracks, an award winning web analytics software.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Void on February 21, 2007, 11:28
Here is a non-geek translation guys:

The fact that the page itself has comments has no bearing for Google. What helps is that every time a photographer comments on a picture, the link to that page with a photo is written onto another page. So if 10 of you comment on my picture, suddenly that page has 10 links linking to it, therefore increasing its page ranking.

So yup. Okay I'm in for some ratings too.

And yes, you have some parts correct about Google, but 'on page' content is only one part of how Google works.  Google has over 100 variables they play with in determining the value of a web page.  One of the largest factors is PageRank.  Think of the web as a series of connected pages- Google tries to make sense of this mess through links.

I don't want to go into specifics of what we're doing, but I can assure you that Leaf's page didn't get higher simply because of the 'on-page' content-it has just as much to do with who and how many people linked to his page. I've been doing this for ten years, increased many businesses revenues online and have helped build ClickTracks, an award winning web analytics software.


if i remember correctly, internal links don't mean jack....if you have tons of pages on your site and links back and forth among them all, that doesnt do anything with rankings....

as far as i know the real links that matter are the external ones, like if the sites your pictures were on linked to your personal site, that would help raise the ranking of your personal site.....
i could be wrong....but then maybe not....
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: scubabartek on February 21, 2007, 17:57
if i remember correctly, internal links don't mean jack....if you have tons of pages on your site and links back and forth among them all, that doesnt do anything with rankings....

as far as i know the real links that matter are the external ones, like if the sites your pictures were on linked to your personal site, that would help raise the ranking of your personal site.....
i could be wrong....but then maybe not....

They don't count as heavily, but I was able to bump my site to a very high spot (#2 worldwide) for a very particular search phrase by linking to it from other pages (site content). True, nothing's better than having a link to it from elsewhere, but any links help. Then again Google and its mysterious algorithms keep many great minds at bay...
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Void on February 21, 2007, 19:06
for those interested in learning about google and other search engine optimization stuff....

http://www.seochat.com/c/b/Google-Optimization-Help/
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: khwi on March 07, 2007, 16:30
i started trading comments from another forum,
and i got hooked on commenting on the photos from then.

i will drop my comments for you guys soon. will start with
tyler's
here's my humble collection at LO
http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/khwi (http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/khwi)

thanks!
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: leaf on March 07, 2007, 17:05
thanks for the comments - have returned the favour and added your link to the list on the right.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: khwi on March 07, 2007, 17:30
thanks for the comments - have returned the favour and added your link to the list on the right.

thanks a lot! i really appreciate all yr comments

i didnt know there's a link for our portfolio here in the forum, thats interesting!
 ;)

made comments for -
1. leaf
2. berryspun
3. GeoPappas
4. admart01
5. Pixart
6. Lior
7. jjneff (already traded)
8. a.k.a - tom
9. lbarn
10. river
11. peiling
12. madelaide
13. digiology
14. w7lwi
15. pelmof
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on March 08, 2007, 22:49
here's my humble collection at LO

thanks!

Gotcha covered, Khwi.   Did one of your paragliding shots.  I REALLY did enjoy them!!    8) -tom
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: Greg Boiarsky on March 08, 2007, 23:14
Comments posted on Leaf, Berryspun, admart, mjp, Pixart, Lior, and khwi.

Sign me up, Tyler.  I want my name in lights.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: khwi on March 09, 2007, 00:13
Gotcha covered, Khwi.   Did one of your paragliding shots.  I REALLY did enjoy them!!    8) -tom

Thanks Tom! Those shots were made from an amazing trip to Italy.
Now I can't wait to go there again!
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: sharpshot on March 31, 2007, 03:45
I will go through all the links on this thread and give some positive comments.  Please have a look at mine.

Just uploaded a lot of my photos and had 3 sales yesterday.  One of them was a $25 el :)

http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/K10436

Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: admart01 on March 31, 2007, 04:36
I will go through all the links on this thread and give some positive comments.  Please have a look at mine.

Just uploaded a lot of my photos and had 3 sales yesterday.  One of them was a $25 el :)

[url]http://www.luckyoliver.com/portfolio/K10436[/url]




Congrats on the sale!  Thanks for the comments on some of my shots -- I've left a few on yours - simple and effective concepts in your portfolio.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: berryspun on March 31, 2007, 09:30
Sharpshot, yes, very nice portfolio.  I added a few comments too.

Thanks for your comments.  The "goof composition" for the brass bell made me laugh   :)
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: sharpshot on March 31, 2007, 10:35
LOL, I have fat fingers and f is next to d.  Have fixed it now.  Thanks for your comments.  I am impressed with other peoples comments.  I like taking photos but struggle thinking of things to say about them.
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: admart01 on March 31, 2007, 11:55
LOL, I have fat fingers and f is next to d.  Have fixed it now.  Thanks for your comments.  I am impressed with other peoples comments.  I like taking photos but struggle thinking of things to say about them.

On mine, just say "people who buy this shot have great taste and will surely be successful in all they do - I've never seen a collection of better photos"  ;D
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: a.k.a.-tom on April 01, 2007, 00:24
I will go through all the links on this thread and give some positive comments.  Please have a look at mine.
Just uploaded a lot of my photos and had 3 sales yesterday.  One of them was a $25 el :)

Got you covered, sharpshot! I REALLY did enjoy your UK landscape shots! They brought back some very fond memories! Congrats on your EL's.

Professor
, covered you as well.  Nice National Park material!! I'll be hitting Rocky Mountian, Yellowstone and a few others May 08.  Your shots inspired me! Nice work!   8) -tom
Title: Re: Comments on LO photos - Trade 1/1
Post by: khwi on April 14, 2007, 06:57
i have to say that after about a month,
not everyone has responded to my comments.
sigh!  >:(