Author Topic: LO should really consider this....hope bryan's reading (Read 13117 times)

ichiro17 · « **on:** August 17, 2006, 21:32 »

As an uploading 'artist' (quotations because well...) I don't really care too much about 'community action' or whatever it is they call it. I'd rather have the 30 cents in my pocket instead of downloading someone else's photos and I get nothing but a photo that I can't really use for anything because I'm not a designer. So how about if LO starts handing out credits and allowing us to convert them to coin....doesn't have to be 30 cents, could be 20 cents per photo....otherwise the point of these stupid tokens is lost on me

kacper · « **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2006, 01:28 »

I'd have to agree. 30 cents in a pocket is better than a token any day if you're not a designer.

CJPhoto · « **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2006, 01:39 »

Has anyone tryied downlaoding your own photos. Is it against the rules.

I agree it is pointless for me to be able to buy photos. I take photos and would only uses ones that are significant to me in some way.

fintastique · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:45 »

So how many of us are actually designers as well??

Wisent · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2006, 04:36 »

I'm currently studying to be a designer but i would also rather have money then tokens. Tokens are useless for designers unless they feel good about paying the company expenses out of their own pocket. And the handfull of succesfull self-emploid designers don't have the spare time to take pictures so i guess this feature is pretty useless.

fintastique · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2006, 05:37 »

How about an option photographer/designers can be paid in credits and photographers get a small cash bounty 5-20c per photo depending on how generous they are feeling and you can opt into one or the other scheme.

And until they realize there is a whole wide world of photographers outside the US of A where a cheque in dollars is worthless and start up paypal or moneybookers accounts. Their cash is not much use either.

jjneff · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2006, 07:33 »

I agree 100% I loaded up 39 pictures which are good ones and do well on other sites and only got 2 views in 2 weeks. Not for me if it is not cash I won't bother!

ichiro17 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2006, 08:08 »

Hopefully Bryan is watching and reading because from the beginning I thought this token program was hogwash. Besides, if they are going to pay out the 30 cents anyways, why not pay it to the guy thats building their library and helping them out....lets not forget something: They would and will be no where without us, the photographer

Fotolia paid out money and its gotten them very far. And they paid out more too. So why give 30 cents to someone else when you can reward the loyalty of the photographer instead of sending out e-mails saying not to download your own photos or those of friends or whatnot.

Either way, it shouldn't matter for LO, because the same amount of cash flow outwards will occur.

The BALL is in your court LO

Boylet · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2006, 08:24 »

Hmmm ... let's see.... if I download someone's photo and he download mine, do we both get paid

kacper · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2006, 16:36 »

Quote from: Boylet on August 18, 2006, 08:24

Hmmm ... let's see.... if I download someone's photo and he download mine, do we both get paid

Apparently so. But the whole I'll download yours if you download mine... well, I appreciate the concept, but I just don't find it appealing. My girlfriend is joining LO soon, so hopefully her photos will get accepted, and this way I'll get to download her stuff

leaf · « **Reply #10 on:** August 20, 2006, 15:29 »

It says on Lucky Oliver's site that we are not supposed to download our own images.

If you start trading credits with eachother, you will get an email fairly quickly from Lucky Oliver that this is frowned upon as well.

I would have to agree, that credits are pretty useless to me, it would be great to be able to get something that is of value to me the photographer if they are first going to give something out.

dbvirago · « **Reply #11 on:** August 20, 2006, 17:46 »

Agreed. Not sure what the tokens are for. We can buy photographs, just not from other photographers. Guess that narrows it down.

phildate · « **Reply #12 on:** August 20, 2006, 20:40 »

I'm confused about the tokens too...I do some small design projects at times and download other people's photographs. What is wrong with using the tokens for this purpose? Or if we see a nice pic for our desktop? Can you clarify why we have tokens Bryan?

Boylet · « **Reply #13 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:53 »

One possible reason for adapting the "token" concept is probably to differentiate the site from others. Not much on the purpose of use but instead to supplement with the "retro" feel/look when using the site. Then again, putting marketing functionalities aside, this just puts an additional overhead to the photographers in tracking their sales.

Another reason I can think of is that they used token instead of $$$ and currently gives away some for free, is to encourage photographers to download other photographers' picture. They probably anticipated that photographers would ultimately want to cash-in the free tokens immediately and thus would have less impact on the traffic of the site and would only benefit the photographer owning the token. By limiting the use of the free token to buy other's photo would induces traffic and would give the semblance to the photographer whose photo was downloaded that the site isn't dead.

ichiro17 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:54 »

In response to Boylet:

Not a fan of 'fake' traffic. There are a few steps that need to be taken to make the site work, so I would hope that they do it that way. I know you're just trying to justify what they are doing, so this is not an attack on your argument. I just think they are better off letting us cash them in.

Boylet · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2006, 08:52 »

Quote from: ichiro17 on August 21, 2006, 07:54

In response to Boylet:

Not a fan of 'fake' traffic. There are a few steps that need to be taken to make the site work, so I would hope that they do it that way. I know you're just trying to justify what they are doing, so this is not an attack on your argument. I just think they are better off letting us cash them in.

No offense taken here ... I'm just looking for a sane explanation to an otherwise impractical approach. Sure hope Bryan could shed some light on the matter otherwise I'll run out of reasons ...

ichiro17 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2006, 09:06 »

I'm glad no offense was taken. I don't want to harass or make anyone feel uncomfortable in the community like some people have on SS forums (hehehe and have been censored from everywhere).

I think that LO should be investing in the community of photographers that will make their product work well for them. I htink that is the best way to go and this token for others but not for me program just doesn't cut it. We all would like the money more than the other guy and Fotolia saw this (unfortunately I missed out on that) but its worked wonders for them - I sound like a broken record -

Where in the world is Bryan? lol - reminds me of something........

thad · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2006, 09:48 »

i'd be happy to ~~spend~~ swap my forty something credits. if only to see if they send an email when one makes a sale..

bryan_luckyoliver · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2006, 10:09 »

I shared a gallery space in Sausalito with an artist for a year. It was a part time thing- perhaps a hobby gone wrong- where I worked the studio space once a week. She lived in it.

It was a pretty cool experience. I learned a lot about people on the strip. Artists would occasionally give their work to each other for favors, gifts, or just to say thanks for being a friend. I thought it was a neat gesture considering that I was selling to tourists most of the day.

LuckyOliver is still early in development- we don't have many community tools yet for being a 'community site'- but we'll get there. I'm hopeful that as we continue to grow you'll notice that we do things differently. We realize there are many sites trying to sell photos. We also know that doing things like everyone else is certain death.

The tokens are a small way of saying thanks. It creates some activity- however not all our business decisions are purely money driven. We're focused on creating a solid business that is built on ideas, energy and people. For a pure photographer the tokens may not mean much, but I'm assuming no harm is done with a few of 'em sitting in your piggy bank!

Thanks for the input...I look forward to seeing more of everyone's work. The images submitted are truly amazing. It's very inspiring and has me shooting more photos!

rosta · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2006, 17:49 »

On a slightly different note..is there a way to check on our submitted photos? I submitted five last week with nary a word and I want to be sure they are in line somewhere to be reviewed.

IRCrockett · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2006, 20:41 »

They've been really good about approving photos. Pretty much all of mine have been approved either the same day or the next. On the right hand side of the Submit Photos page under the upload more box there should be all the thumbnails of pending images. If they aren't there then they probably aren't queued for review.

hospitalera · « **Reply #21 on:** August 25, 2006, 03:01 »

They are getting a little bit funny in their approvals, a fractal was rejected because of: "it's a little too primitive for what we're looking for. Try another one." The same fractal got approved at SS AND sold in the first hour! Otherwise they have accepted pics of mine that most of the other sites have rejected... What's about a little bit reviewer training? ::)SY

fintastique · « **Reply #22 on:** August 26, 2006, 05:50 »

I see from the latest LO newsletter that they have introduced affiliate earnings

$5 for a new buyer

$1 for a new photographer when they have first three photos accepted (they might want to start checking IDs)

and they used one of Leaf's photos in the newsletter.

Amanda · « **Reply #23 on:** August 26, 2006, 12:14 »

Okay, I have to put my two cents in. I am primarily a designer and I do photography as well on the side. I signed up with LuckyOliver because I thought it was potentially, an interesting site for a source of stock photography and to try my hand at submitting some photos. I am not disappointed by the fact you can't convert tokens to money. I see it as a gift, a thank you. You didn't earn it - they gave it to you for free. It's like people complaining that McDonald's won't give you money if you tried to return the toy they got free with a Happy Meal. Sure they may be useless to some strictly photographers - but are they any worse off if they weren't given tokens? Heck, if you load up enough photos - you could buy out someone's exclusive rights photo and resubmit to LuckyOliver and add it to your portfolio! Another perspective to this idea is that it is also rewarding people who are using the site other than uploading photos. I am a designer - I do use this site to download photos that I need for jobs. It's nice that Bryan and Co. recognize people who do submit material and who also download material by giving these tokens. By fostering that relationship you will get long-term loyalty from designers such as myself which is going to eventually benefit you, the photographers.

dbvirago · « **Reply #24 on:** August 26, 2006, 15:14 »

I don't agree with your analogy. It's like McDonalds gave you a toy with your happy meal and said, but you can't play with it or thanking their customers with a coupon worth 0% off their next meal. . You are a designer and photographer, so the tokens have some value. They are a thank you with some meaning. To us photographers, we are amassing huge somes of 'tokens' that don't mean anything. No we're no worse off than if we weren't given the tokens, but we were - so they should mean something. I'll bet they mean something somewhere on LO's accounting system.

Quote from: Amanda on August 26, 2006, 12:14

Okay, I have to put my two cents in. I am primarily a designer and I do photography as well on the side. I signed up with LuckyOliver because I thought it was potentially, an interesting site for a source of stock photography and to try my hand at submitting some photos. I am not disappointed by the fact you can't convert tokens to money. I see it as a gift, a thank you. You didn't earn it - they gave it to you for free. It's like people complaining that McDonald's won't give you money if you tried to return the toy they got free with a Happy Meal. Sure they may be useless to some strictly photographers - but are they any worse off if they weren't given tokens? Heck, if you load up enough photos - you could buy out someone's exclusive rights photo and resubmit to LuckyOliver and add it to your portfolio! Another perspective to this idea is that it is also rewarding people who are using the site other than uploading photos. I am a designer - I do use this site to download photos that I need for jobs. It's nice that Bryan and Co. recognize people who do submit material and who also download material by giving these tokens. By fostering that relationship you will get long-term loyalty from designers such as myself which is going to eventually benefit you, the photographers.

Amanda · « **Reply #25 on:** August 26, 2006, 15:29 »

I guess where I'm confused is that the tokens aren't meant as rewards but are gifts - but everyone is complaining how it's not good enough gift. If I gave a gift to someone and they turned around and complained it wasn't expensive enough - or wasn't good enough, I would be insulted. LuckyOliver doesn't have to give you jacksquat for uploading images - but they do it as a gesture of goodwill. I guess, in my opinion, to complain about getting something for free is like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

ichiro17 · « **Reply #26 on:** August 26, 2006, 15:36 »

A gift is only good if it is useful and has some meaning. These tokens are useless and have no meaning to those who can't use them. Let me know when you are having a shower and I'll get you a toaster. Then we'll see how you feel.

The reason LO is giving tokens and not allowing you to convert is so that they can politely say "thanks for uploading here's something you can't use". If I got a compost heap for my birthday I'd be pretty pissed off. These tokens are like getting a compost heap. SOmetimes, nothing is better than something. So this goodwill gesture is more insulting than anythign else.

Why not do a Fotolia and give cash for photos? The more logical thing? The only reason they give tokens is because they know that a HUGE percentage of people don't have any desire to download images of others, so they really know they are giving away free coins that will most likely never be used.

At this point in time, your positive attitude is great, but please don't be naive, because it tends to blind you from the overall picture.

nruboc · « **Reply #27 on:** August 26, 2006, 15:39 »

Yeah, I'd be complaining about their lousy 30% commission instead. I mean, sites such as StockXpert and Dreamstime are offering 50% with many more sales. Why would I possibly want LO to succeed. So they can take business away from DT and SX and pay me less.

It's someone like FeaturePics that I really hopes makes it.

Amanda · « **Reply #28 on:** August 26, 2006, 16:01 »

*mental note to self, make room for toaster on kitchen counter*

Amanda · « **Reply #29 on:** August 26, 2006, 16:02 »

Quote from: nruboc on August 26, 2006, 15:39

Yeah, I'd be complaining about their lousy 30% commission instead. I mean, sites such as StockXpert and Dreamstime are offering 50% with many more sales. Why would I possibly want LO to succeed. So they can take business away from DT and SX and pay me less.

It's someone like FeaturePics that I really hopes makes it.

See, now I find that a legitimate complaint.

kacper · « **Reply #30 on:** August 26, 2006, 16:15 »

Quote from: Amanda on August 26, 2006, 15:29

I guess where I'm confused is that the tokens aren't meant as rewards but are gifts - but everyone is complaining how it's not good enough gift. If I gave a gift to someone and they turned around and complained it wasn't expensive enough - or wasn't good enough, I would be insulted. LuckyOliver doesn't have to give you jacksquat for uploading images - but they do it as a gesture of goodwill. I guess, in my opinion, to complain about getting something for free is like looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I think you completely missed the point Amanda. As a FT designer and a PT photographer you'll earn your 10 tokens and use them all up with a smile on your face. As a FT photographer with ZERO design skills, abilities or interest, I have a couple hundred tokens sitting in my account now. I'm not against them, but I appreciate them as much as I could appreciate a bottle of Evian water by a pristine waterfall in Amazon or a blowjob being an eunuch (hopefully this won't offend anyone). They're NICE, but we (the photogs) who will ultimately make Lucky Oliver millions of dollars if they play their cards right, would like a way to use them up somehow.

Bryan: an idea for you mate. Create a marketplace with photo-stuff for us to trade our tokens in. Sort of like a frequent flyer system. Real token value = $1, so go at full value to trade in for Lucky Oliver branded stuff (t-shirts, baseball caps, mousepads, camera bags say LO t-shirt would cost 15 tokens) and use half value (as frequent flyer programs do) for various photographic stuff (hmm... Canon Digital Rebel 400 XTi at $899 would cost 1798 tokens). Guys like Phil Date will end up having 3000 tokens in their account pretty soon. I'm sure Phil (and I suppose he'll support me on this) would rather have some kickass Alien Bees lighting system or a Noctilux Leica lens instead of... 3000 tokens?

bryan_luckyoliver · « **Reply #31 on:** August 26, 2006, 18:07 »

Guys-
I thought I would pipe in to keep things on the up and up (...and give you more details). The discussion is good - LuckyOliver won't shy away from criticism. I’m happy with our progress considering we’re less than 3 months into building relationships with photographers. The photography work is truly amazing.

1.   Many of our Carnies are both photographers and designers. We’re not a pure play commerce site. Community will ultimately be a strong differentiation. Tokens are a small way to thank you for taking the time to work with LO. Photography focused Carnies may not have a need for them now.
2.   A token is the currency LuckyOliver uses for transactions. Without promising anything, you can start to connect the dots on where this can go in a carnival/arcade/marketplace. You may not like our design, our language, or our approach- it’s simply an opportunity to work with a company that has different ideas and values. I know we can’t please everyone. However, we’re committed to success and things are happening!
3.   Our payment schedule is different than other sites. Each size varies and the potential payout is different. ‘Royalties’ is an area you’ll see new opportunities for at LO-stay tuned!

Thanks for the insight- we’re looking forward to seeing more of everyone’s work.
Bryan

phildate · « **Reply #32 on:** August 26, 2006, 21:46 »

Quote from: kacper on August 26, 2006, 16:15

Guys like Phil Date will end up having 3000 tokens in their account pretty soon. I'm sure Phil (and I suppose he'll support me on this) would rather have some kickass Alien Bees lighting system or a Noctilux Leica lens instead of... 3000 tokens?

I don't think I will be uploading much more to Lucky Oliver until this issue with tokens is resolved. It is good to see you on the forums Bryan but I don't think you've quite answered everyone's queries yet. I know another photog who likes my pics and decided to download some of the ones with the pretty girls in (can't blame him) and then I got an email saying that this was against the good of the community. What did I do? You don't want someone to download my pics? If that is the case, why give us photographers the tokens. Of course, by initiating this 'incentive programme' there was bound to be a "you download one of mine and I'll get one of yours" mentality since most photographers are NOT designers. What else to do? Especially with no sign of any other sales yet.

Once I have my 3000 online what else is there to do with the tokens except download other photographers work? A LO shop would be good and I would love it if there were some photographic equipment on sale as suggested. Maybe not Alien Bees (I'm an Elinchrom man myself!) but things like Lens Pens (which are fantastic and the only way to really clean lenses), filters, rechargable batteries...etc would be really appealing.

I can handle the quirkiness of the site - I guess it's different and that might draw people in. But Bryan, please give us an explanation about the tokens, how I can spend them and if others can spend them on my pictures. Because until that is settlled I am unwilling to spend the time adding all those MRFs!!

kacper · « **Reply #33 on:** August 26, 2006, 22:41 »

Thanks for sharing that Phil. Yeah, that leaves our tokens completely useless. A) We can't download our own photos, B) We can't download anyone else's photos. I mean I see I could spent about couple hundred credits downloading Forgis' pictures of girl in a bath (drool......) or Phil's Asians in short shorts (drool.......). Bryan: please let us know in plain English: HOW CAN WE USE THE TOKENS?

Quote from: phildate on August 26, 2006, 21:46

I don't think I will be uploading much more to Lucky Oliver until this issue with tokens is resolved. It is good to see you on the forums Bryan but I don't think you've quite answered everyone's queries yet. I know another photog who likes my pics and decided to download some of the ones with the pretty girls in (can't blame him) and then I got an email saying that this was against the good of the community. What did I do? You don't want someone to download my pics? If that is the case, why give us photographers the tokens. Of course, by initiating this 'incentive programme' there was bound to be a "you download one of mine and I'll get one of yours" mentality since most photographers are NOT designers. What else to do? Especially with no sign of any other sales yet.

Wisent · « **Reply #34 on:** August 26, 2006, 22:45 »

I think the LO shop idea is great! Something like that would definately motivate me to upload more pics.

thad · « **Reply #35 on:** August 26, 2006, 23:21 »

yeah me too! i'd like to upload more and spend in a shop. if i had my camera at the moment

my d1x is getting its shutter replaced. i can almost buy a new camera for the same cost, but i'd be more motivated to get my camera out of repair so i could upload and get stuff i really need, like a better tripod, or a speedlight, or a radio shutter release. that way i can take better pictures and you can sell better pictures and things will be better then better

ichiro17 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 26, 2006, 23:52 »

Totally agree with the shop.

If that happens, then my previous comments regarding the tokens and the site will come around 180 and it will be more positive in my opinion. As long as the rewards are a decent price like it doesn't convert 4000 tokens for a polarizer or something like that....

maunger · « **Reply #37 on:** August 27, 2006, 09:48 »

My thoughts...

1) I like getting the tokens - I haven't used many of them yet, but i have downloaded a couple of photos for my own use.

2) I don't need photos often but when i do it is nice not to have to spend my own money. The other day i was building this new Microstock Photography Wiki (which is a whole other subject) and found a nice image of a lens and bought it. I understand the issue that if you don't buy photos then the tokens don't mean much to you... but as has been said, very few other sites give you anything for uploading (yes Fotolia paid cash for a little bit but who else gives you anything? iStock sure doesn't). I'm happy to get anything for my uploads - and as far as i know, nobody else is offering anything at this point. I'll take it.

3) Bryan has said there are things to come with the tokens so I'll be patient.

4) The tokens are worth more than the .30 if you buy photos... yes, that is the commission on the smallest image purchase, but if you went to buy tokens with cash, they'd cost you about a buck (they start at a dollar and go down depending on how many you buy)

5) Many other sites use this "token" concept but call it something different (iStock calls it a credit for example). I don't know why some are complaining about this concept.

6) LuckyOliver is only 3 months old... i'm patienly waiting to see more.

7) I personally think it is clear - you may use the tokens just as if you'd bought them with cash to buy other people's photos. No, you can't buy your own and it isn't ethical to set up a "i'll buy yours if you'll buy mine" network. But if you need photos, you can buy them from the inventory... and I have done that. And I haven't gotten a note from management asking me not to do it.

8 ) LO has done other things that I've not seen other micros do - for example, at the end of the last contest, they added 15% commission to all of the entries in the contest so now you get a bigger commission on those. They may not do it again, but i am pleased that they did it at all.

9) I do not have blinders and I'm not a paid stooge of LO. I'm just stating my own opinions

Mitch

kacper · « **Reply #38 on:** August 28, 2006, 02:26 »

Agreed Mitch,
however as Phil pointed out your # 7 is not so obvious. He got a message stating it was no good that another photog was downloading Phil's photos. That's what I asked Bryan. If you can't use tokens to download your own photos and you can't use them to download others' photos, whose photos can you download?

Quote from: maunger on August 27, 2006, 09:48

7) I personally think it is clear - you may use the tokens just as if you'd bought them with cash to buy other people's photos. No, you can't buy your own and it isn't ethical to set up a "i'll buy yours if you'll buy mine" network. But if you need photos, you can buy them from the inventory... and I have done that. And I haven't gotten a note from management asking me not to do it.

Boylet · « **Reply #39 on:** August 28, 2006, 03:06 »

Quote from: kacper on August 28, 2006, 02:26

Agreed Mitch,
however as Phil pointed out your # 7 is not so obvious. He got a message stating it was no good that another photog was downloading Phil's photos. That's what I asked Bryan. If you can't use tokens to download your own photos and you can't use them to download others' photos, whose photos can you download?

Download mine

kacper · « **Reply #40 on:** August 28, 2006, 03:23 »

That's the crux of the matter Boylet. It seems that it's frowned upon.

Quote from: Boylet on August 28, 2006, 03:06

Download mine

StockManiac · « **Reply #41 on:** August 28, 2006, 05:56 »

Quote from: phildate on August 26, 2006, 21:46

I know another photog who likes my pics and decided to download some of the ones with the pretty girls in (can't blame him) and then I got an email saying that this was against the good of the community. What did I do?

phildate:

I am baffled by your statement!

Did you download any of the other photogs images?

I can't see how you could be held accountable for someone else's downloads. I also can't understand what the tokens are for if not for downloading others images...

phildate · « **Reply #42 on:** August 28, 2006, 06:18 »

Quote from: StockManiac on August 28, 2006, 05:56

Quote from: phildate on August 26, 2006, 21:46
I know another photog who likes my pics and decided to download some of the ones with the pretty girls in (can't blame him) and then I got an email saying that this was against the good of the community. What did I do?

phildate:

I am baffled by your statement!

Did you download any of the other photogs images?

I can't see how you could be held accountable for someone else's downloads. I also can't understand what the tokens are for if not for downloading others images...

I didn't download any images and I know the other photog didn't get an email. Seemed pretty silly to me which is why this whole mess needs to be sorted before I can support the site with any more images. I don't like having my wrists slapped when I have done nothing wrong.

bryan_luckyoliver · « **Reply #43 on:** September 01, 2006, 03:14 »

Hey guys,
I'm jumping in again to clarify the token system so that everyone doesn't get confused:

1. Tokens are part of a micropayment system. Some sites use the term credits.

2. We charge people money to purchase tokens. These tokens are priced at roughly $1. We discount based on volume. Tokens can't be exchanged for money.

3. Photographer royalties on photo downloads are given as US currency.

4. We give photographers a token for uploading an accepted image. This is a trial. We think it's a fun way to participate in the site. Some photographers have expressed they do not like this opportunity. I've also received positive feedback. We'll review this program to see if it makes sense in the near future.

5. While we encourage you to use your tokens (that's the point!) we have issues with groups of photographers downloading each other's work only for monetary gain. This was not our intent. Granted, you could say this was bound to happen, but I prefer to give the community concept a chance.

If you received a friendly email, it was based on patterns, so you might not have been doing anything wrong. My apologies if you felt like this pointed a finger at you, it was meant to be heads-up to the group.

Thanks for everyone's effort. Feel free to send me a line if you want to discuss more.

Bryan

chellyar · « **Reply #44 on:** September 01, 2006, 03:46 »

Hi-ho...

Firstly, it's nice to see a rep from one of the sites on here...

Secondly, how many of the photographers are designers as well?

I'm not on L.O. but I imagine if I had some free credits/tokens/downloads I'd be tempted to just download some good work to put a copy on my wall/desktop. For e.g. there is one Image of Phil's I like which I'd start with ... Outside that I have no use for stock images outside trying to work out another photog's technique, which you can often do from the thumbs anyway.

This must be a common theme within the microstock/stock world as many of us are part time photographers with no need to purchase stock ourselves.

Just my 2c worth...

grp_photo · « **Reply #45 on:** September 01, 2006, 05:58 »

I don't need them right now but i can see a use for future (sometimes i do a little bit design).
Also as soon LO has Vectors it will become even more interesting as i don't do vectors by myself.

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