Author Topic: POLL - Number of Downloads at Lucky Oliver (Read 13308 times)

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2007, 15:59 »

My guess is Leaf, at least I interpret his "

" in this way, after eco told us his number of dls..

maunger · « **Reply #26 on:** April 22, 2007, 20:13 »

Quote from: jlye on April 22, 2007, 00:09

Just went to do a search on what this "great feature" is about
a search on dog as what bryan mention and return 2000+ images

a search on keywords like business, family, woman, love etc and you get result of "a lot" of images

What this mean is even though you are in the "slideshow"
you are still competing with thousands of images.

On any site, you are competing with vast numbers of images. The goal of the sideshow is to help bring your images to the front of the search and to highlight them as special - hopefully either getting more exposure or more sales or higher profits for you.

For example, an image i have that is in the first 40 on the best match search on IS gathers almost daily sales. Placement means a lot!

Wouldn't you want your images to appear at the begining of a search on LO if it isn't already?

I think i'd pay a token for that.

leaf · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2007, 01:21 »

Quote from: maunger on April 22, 2007, 20:13

For example, an image i have that is in the first 40 on the best match search on IS gathers almost daily sales. Placement means a lot!

Wouldn't you want your images to appear at the begining of a search on LO if it isn't already?

I think i'd pay a token for that.

I would defiantly pay a token for that if it meant being on the first page, however if there are 100, or 500 side show images for a certain keyword term (and there will be in the future if people place 50% of the portfolio in the sideshow), and only 8 are shown on the first page - it would almost be better to take your chances with the regular search.

or take this example.
in a few years a keyword term YYY has 500 search results. People like the sideshow feature and many put 50% of their images in the sideshow - there is now 200 of the images in the YYY search in the sideshow.
-of the sideshow images only 8 are shown but they are apparently shown is random order and sorted every time, so any given image would be shown in 1 out of every 25 searches. If you have an image in the main search that comes up in page 1 it is shown 25 out of 25 searches.... the side show would NOT be the best option. Lucky oliver is down right now so i don't know how many images it shows on a page but maybe 50 - that means the image in our example has a 1/10 chance of getting on the first page with the regular search.

I think in the end, the sideshow would only be worth it for images that are stuck at the bottom of the search results and are neglected.

jlye · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2007, 02:14 »

Quote from: leaf on April 23, 2007, 01:21

I would defiantly pay a token for that if it meant being on the first page, however if there are 100, or 500 side show images for a certain keyword term (and there will be in the future if people place 50% of the portfolio in the sideshow), and only 8 are shown on the first page - it would almost be better to take your chances with the regular search.

or take this example.
in a few years a keyword term YYY has 500 search results. People like the sideshow feature and many put 50% of their images in the sideshow - there is now 200 of the images in the YYY search in the sideshow.
-of the sideshow images only 8 are shown but they are apparently shown is random order and sorted every time, so any given image would be shown in 1 out of every 25 searches. If you have an image in the main search that comes up in page 1 it is shown 25 out of 25 searches.... the side show would NOT be the best option. Lucky oliver is down right now so i don't know how many images it shows on a page but maybe 50 - that means the image in our example has a 1/10 chance of getting on the first page with the regular search.

I think in the end, the sideshow would only be worth it for images that are stuck at the bottom of the search results and are neglected.

Agree with Leaf 100%.

maunger · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2007, 04:39 »

Quote from: leaf on April 23, 2007, 01:21

Quote from: maunger on April 22, 2007, 20:13

For example, an image i have that is in the first 40 on the best match search on IS gathers almost daily sales. Placement means a lot!

Wouldn't you want your images to appear at the begining of a search on LO if it isn't already?

I think i'd pay a token for that.

I would defiantly pay a token for that if it meant being on the first page, however if there are 100, or 500 side show images for a certain keyword term (and there will be in the future if people place 50% of the portfolio in the sideshow), and only 8 are shown on the first page - it would almost be better to take your chances with the regular search.

or take this example.
in a few years a keyword term YYY has 500 search results. People like the sideshow feature and many put 50% of their images in the sideshow - there is now 200 of the images in the YYY search in the sideshow.
-of the sideshow images only 8 are shown but they are apparently shown is random order and sorted every time, so any given image would be shown in 1 out of every 25 searches. If you have an image in the main search that comes up in page 1 it is shown 25 out of 25 searches.... the side show would NOT be the best option. Lucky oliver is down right now so i don't know how many images it shows on a page but maybe 50 - that means the image in our example has a 1/10 chance of getting on the first page with the regular search.

I think in the end, the sideshow would only be worth it for images that are stuck at the bottom of the search results and are neglected.

As I've said before, it is going to take some analysis to figure out whether an image should be in the sideshow.

Right now, we're assuming that if someone is able to put 25% of their portfolio in, then they'll put 25% in - maybe not everyone will opt to do that. Same with 50%.

If you're looking at placement issues, then it may not make any sense to put some images in. In the 'lady' example, someone with a portfolio that is 50% images with the sticky word 'lady' would be shooting themselves in the foot for putting a bunch of 'lady' images in the sideshow. But that is just one sticky word out of maybe 30 or so. Suppose those images also have another sticky word that isn't so crowded, in that case it might help get more placement. My point is that maybe it isn't just a one sticky word issue.

The 'lady' and 'dog' searches are examples of common words that get lots of sideshow images right now... but look at the thousands of other sticky words that show zero sideshow images. Don't forget that also Bryan recently stated that the majority of searches done on LO are for more than 1 sticky word (if i recall, he said that the average was 3?).

And lastly, lets not forget that the sideshow has another feature that isn't just a placement issue. It is pricing. Maybe you want your images to earn more money - in which case putting them in the sideshow may out weigh the placement issue.

The slideshow is something new and it may evolve and learning how and when to use it for your own images will certainly evolve as well.

GeoPappas · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2007, 07:35 »

I don't see the Sideshow as having anything to do with placement of images in the result set. It is about allowing images to sell for a higher amount (the Midstock area that Bryan is talking about) and getting a higher royalty (50% vs 30%).

With the Sideshow, there are now two search result sets. The regular result set and the Sideshow result set. Your image will be in one of them, depending on how you want to sell your image.

The Sideshow result set will obviously be much smaller than the normal result set, since you have to have 100 downloads to be eligible and then you only get to put 25% of your images in there (at the most). For example, if you search on "flower", you will get 2500 images in the regular search and 77 in the Sideshow search. Even though the Sideshow will grow in time, so will the regular search. So there is a much higher probability of being found in the Sideshow.

Peiling · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2007, 10:40 »

I am just disappointed that they did not reward people who have been with them despite the slow sales and stayed in the game. $:-\$

Pixart · « **Reply #32 on:** April 24, 2007, 09:59 »

I see this morning that I've had a download two days in a row. I've had 5 downloads in April so far - out of all time total of 13 sales, so almost half of sales (since the first one in January) have been in this month, which isn't over yet.

Sure, my little portfolio is gradually growing - very gradually which has an effect - but if these small numbers reflect the bigger picture, the momentum over at LO must be picking up.

cornishman · « **Reply #33 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:26 »

I think having the ability to set your own prices could be a two edged sword. And that in the end is what this thread is about? Two examples to follow so please bear with me.

First, one of my images at Dreamstime got bumped a level a while ago, and since then downloads has dropped dramatically. Was my best performing image, now its pants....

Secondly, I've uploaded to Featurepic's, set my pricing, reset my pricing again and again, slowly inching downwards, with bigger leaps each time. Very disappointing, not a single sale... (just like SPM by the way, wish I hadn't bothered with them either)

It occurs to me that the market is full of images, and people will not part with anymore than bare minimum credits, when there are other cheaper images.

So having the option of hiking up your prices, in the end may be a bad thing...hope I made sense here, I have a tendency to ramble 'cos I'm a hermit......

leaf · « **Reply #34 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:56 »

did you check out where you image turns up in the results at dreamstime?

I had an image that had well over 100 sales at dreamstime. It sold at least once a week and often once a day. They recently changed their search code and older images now end up farther down... that high selling image of mine hasn't had a sale for a few months now.

sharply_done · « **Reply #35 on:** April 24, 2007, 14:27 »

leaf: Why not delete it and then repost? Seems like an easy workaround to me ...

leaf · « **Reply #36 on:** April 24, 2007, 16:25 »

Quote from: sharply_done on April 24, 2007, 14:27

leaf: Why not delete it and then repost? Seems like an easy workaround to me ...

well you know that is a good idea, i didn't think of it, but I would be afraid of them not accepting it. It is just a wood texture and they have hundreds of those.

It was very lucky in the searches and had 100+ sales where the other images beside it only had under 10 sales.

On the other hand, if it never gets downloaded anymore, I don't have much to loose.

sharply_done · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2007, 01:18 »

Or jazz it up a bit (so that technically it's not the same shot), then post it and keep the original.

Peiling · « **Reply #38 on:** April 26, 2007, 22:40 »

i dont think we should spend money on the slideshow....i believe we should not spend money at all.....i am a practical person....Johnny, better off to exchange it with someone and get cash in hand....i prefer cash in hand any time....all these gadgets are marketing gimmick.....

that's the role of the marketing dept, to do somehting interesting and exciting and build up the hype...something new that will arouse attention and interest. At the end of the day, whether the thing sells or not is another matter....but there has to be a buzz around talking about it....generating sales is one of the impt things, but building image and buzz is equally imot in marketing......i think the co should be the one paying for the marketing and not the photographer...come on, we only get 30% on the sales right? 70% already used for the marketing, personnel, datbase etc....should we eat into the 30% for more marketing hype? I dont think so....

Anyways, those who reach 100 should just jump in now and take the free ride till July 07, see the results and then make a decision whether to pay or not...at least you have tried and you know if it is useful to you...

sharpshot · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2007, 01:12 »

I have 12 tokens, so I will use those for the sideshow, when we are allowed to use it. If I sell a photo, I will reinvest some of the profits and put more in the sideshow. That way, I can use the sideshow for free

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