Author Topic: POLL - Number of Downloads at Lucky Oliver (Read 13304 times)

Peiling · « **on:** April 20, 2007, 09:37 »

Hi all. Was wondering how many people can even meet the min 100 downloads that LO has for the new features. Knowing the dismay downloads there, would love to see this statistics

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:51 »

I have 12..

Peiling · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:55 »

oopss....sorry to those that have voted....i just reset the statistics to make it tighter for those under 100, so that we all can have a better sense of where we are at.

Pls vote again.

dbvirago · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:55 »

Been there since the beginning 1222 images on site. 51 downloads.

maunger · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:01 »

been at LO since almost the beginning - 41 DLs

notice over on the 'pricing' thread that it takes 10,000 DLs on fotolia to be able to set your own pricing. hmmmm

Kiya · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:11 »

I have 495 images on LO and 50 DL's. I had an 'Image of the Moment' that brought in several of those DL's. Hoping things pick up, I really like the site.

bryan_luckyoliver · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:44 »

20 downloads on 275 images

I just a did a blog post on this: http://www.luckyoliver.com/blog/213/yet_another_nifty_graph

It's interesting to analyze trends- some people are having more success than others. The variables change from person to person. We're just starting our marketing, so hang with us over the next year as we grow.

Photoguy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2007, 11:26 »

What are the types of photos being downloaded, I'm heavy on business people and am not having much success

maunger · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:02 »

Photoguy - to monitor what is selling, there are a couple of pages i visit daily

at LO, there's a random 25 images sold the previous day.
http://www.luckyoliver.com/browse/downloads

at SS there's a top 50 list for the past week - and it changes every day so i guess it is for the last 7 days.... it is great to watch things move in that list.
http://submit.shutterstock.com/top50.mhtml?span=week&filter=photos

IS has one that is updated only once per week so i don't look at that too often.

maybe those will help?

Photoguy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:41 »

Thanks Maunger, I'll take a look. I thought the LO sales were for months ago some some reason. Are you doing well at LO?

madelaide · « **Reply #10 on:** April 20, 2007, 16:36 »

I don't know which changes you guys are talking about, but currently I have 261 images and had 22 dlds.

Regards,
Adelaide

leaf · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2007, 17:35 »

We are talking about the changes to the 'sideshow' feature.

Thread here

a.k.a.-tom · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2007, 23:33 »

230 photos
14446 views
13 downloads for $11.90
23 blog comments
54 comments
38 received comments
and 1 brand new irrelevant odditorium post..

with 2 more pix just put in for review 10 minutes ago.

I like LO.... But I was dissappointed by today's thread that generated this poll. If the currect sales pace continues, I'm still 4 years and 5 months away from the opportunity to take advantage of the sideshow offer. With current sales pace, I'm only 4 years and 6 months away from my first payout.... Hopefully, the pace will pick up to match my sales rates elsewhere...

since I'm not a designer nor buyer, I might as well use up my tokens and see if this sideshow thing will make a difference.... however, I am a doubting thomas...

-tom

Peiling · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2007, 06:51 »

The stats are a dismay to look at. Looks like 2/37 is 5% even come to that 100 downloads and the rest of us are not even near

.

souper · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2007, 08:20 »

I like lo

and am very glad to hear they are going to start seriously marketing to buyers.

madelaide · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2007, 17:06 »

So who are the three voters with more than 80 dlds - one even with more than 200?

Regards,
Adelaide

jlye · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2007, 17:59 »

1305 photos
59 downloads - 73.90 in Piggy Bank
9738 views

and 1200 TOKENS which i am still trying to spend.

leaf · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2007, 18:35 »

Quote from: madelaide on April 21, 2007, 17:06

So who are the three voters with more than 80 dlds - one even with more than 200?

Regards,
Adelaide

leaf · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2007, 18:36 »

Quote from: jlye on April 21, 2007, 17:59

1305 photos
59 downloads - 73.90 in Piggy Bank
9738 views

and 1200 TOKENS which i am still trying to spend.

spend?? save them for the side show

Void · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2007, 22:55 »

wait a second....we are going to pay lo now to sell our pictures that aint really moving that fast to begin with? and this is a good thing?
sure, ya got tokens now but what happens when they are gone, convert earnings into tokens???
maybe i missed something

as far as marketing to the buyers, that has been said since the beginning of the year.....

to me there isnt enough time in the day to continue to fumble around on the smaller sites

just my two cents.....

jlye · « **Reply #20 on:** April 22, 2007, 00:09 »

Quote from: leaf on April 21, 2007, 18:36

spend?? save them for the side show

I believe this slideshow will NOT work at all

Just went to do a search on what this "great feature" is about
a search on dog as what bryan mention and return 2000+ images

a search on keywords like business, family, woman, love etc and you get result of "a lot" of images

What this mean is even though you are in the "slideshow"
you are still competing with thousands of images.

So why shall we pay for this feature?

Please enlighten me

Eco · « **Reply #21 on:** April 22, 2007, 02:34 »

Quote from: madelaide on April 21, 2007, 17:06

So who are the three voters with more than 80 dlds - one even with more than 200?

Regards,
Adelaide

645 images in portfolio
143 downloads (1 EL sale)

Peiling · « **Reply #22 on:** April 22, 2007, 02:49 »

Hi Eco. Thanks for telling us.

Can I know what kind of images you are selling from the downloads? I see people with > 1000 images but not the kind of downloads you have.

I am embarassed myself to tell how many downloads I got, its in the lower range definitely.

Eco · « **Reply #23 on:** April 22, 2007, 12:15 »

Hi Peiling

You can have a look at my LO portfolio with the link below. I mainly specialize in African wildlife, nature landscapes and travel photography with the odd sport image. I found that the downloads more or less cover the whole range of subjects in my portfolio.

What I did found, however, is that my downloads are very sporadic. I may not have a single download for days or weeks and then suddenly I have a lot of downloads within a day or two. What this tells me is that the occasional buyer that are specifically looking for African wildlife images will download quite a number of images from my portfolio because there are not that many similar images available. What is to my advantage is that my portfolio is in a way unique because it covers quite I diversity of wildlife subjects that were taken over many years, often in remote wilderness areas. Since I live and work as an ecologist in South Africa I am fortunate to have opportunities for this type of photography that few people have.

madelaide · « **Reply #24 on:** April 22, 2007, 15:27 »

Quote from: Eco on April 22, 2007, 02:34

645 images in portfolio
143 downloads (1 EL sale)

Thanks, Eco. Now we need to know who the lucky one with over 200 dlds is. I'm jealous.

I'm also jealous of your meerkats. I was disappointed when I found out that they would not be on my way during my trip to Africa.

Regards,
Adelaide

Freezingpictures · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2007, 15:59 »

My guess is Leaf, at least I interpret his "

" in this way, after eco told us his number of dls..

maunger · « **Reply #26 on:** April 22, 2007, 20:13 »

Quote from: jlye on April 22, 2007, 00:09

Just went to do a search on what this "great feature" is about
a search on dog as what bryan mention and return 2000+ images

a search on keywords like business, family, woman, love etc and you get result of "a lot" of images

What this mean is even though you are in the "slideshow"
you are still competing with thousands of images.

On any site, you are competing with vast numbers of images. The goal of the sideshow is to help bring your images to the front of the search and to highlight them as special - hopefully either getting more exposure or more sales or higher profits for you.

For example, an image i have that is in the first 40 on the best match search on IS gathers almost daily sales. Placement means a lot!

Wouldn't you want your images to appear at the begining of a search on LO if it isn't already?

I think i'd pay a token for that.

leaf · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2007, 01:21 »

Quote from: maunger on April 22, 2007, 20:13

For example, an image i have that is in the first 40 on the best match search on IS gathers almost daily sales. Placement means a lot!

Wouldn't you want your images to appear at the begining of a search on LO if it isn't already?

I think i'd pay a token for that.

I would defiantly pay a token for that if it meant being on the first page, however if there are 100, or 500 side show images for a certain keyword term (and there will be in the future if people place 50% of the portfolio in the sideshow), and only 8 are shown on the first page - it would almost be better to take your chances with the regular search.

or take this example.
in a few years a keyword term YYY has 500 search results. People like the sideshow feature and many put 50% of their images in the sideshow - there is now 200 of the images in the YYY search in the sideshow.
-of the sideshow images only 8 are shown but they are apparently shown is random order and sorted every time, so any given image would be shown in 1 out of every 25 searches. If you have an image in the main search that comes up in page 1 it is shown 25 out of 25 searches.... the side show would NOT be the best option. Lucky oliver is down right now so i don't know how many images it shows on a page but maybe 50 - that means the image in our example has a 1/10 chance of getting on the first page with the regular search.

I think in the end, the sideshow would only be worth it for images that are stuck at the bottom of the search results and are neglected.

jlye · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2007, 02:14 »

Quote from: leaf on April 23, 2007, 01:21

I would defiantly pay a token for that if it meant being on the first page, however if there are 100, or 500 side show images for a certain keyword term (and there will be in the future if people place 50% of the portfolio in the sideshow), and only 8 are shown on the first page - it would almost be better to take your chances with the regular search.

or take this example.
in a few years a keyword term YYY has 500 search results. People like the sideshow feature and many put 50% of their images in the sideshow - there is now 200 of the images in the YYY search in the sideshow.
-of the sideshow images only 8 are shown but they are apparently shown is random order and sorted every time, so any given image would be shown in 1 out of every 25 searches. If you have an image in the main search that comes up in page 1 it is shown 25 out of 25 searches.... the side show would NOT be the best option. Lucky oliver is down right now so i don't know how many images it shows on a page but maybe 50 - that means the image in our example has a 1/10 chance of getting on the first page with the regular search.

I think in the end, the sideshow would only be worth it for images that are stuck at the bottom of the search results and are neglected.

Agree with Leaf 100%.

maunger · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2007, 04:39 »

Quote from: leaf on April 23, 2007, 01:21

Quote from: maunger on April 22, 2007, 20:13

For example, an image i have that is in the first 40 on the best match search on IS gathers almost daily sales. Placement means a lot!

Wouldn't you want your images to appear at the begining of a search on LO if it isn't already?

I think i'd pay a token for that.

I would defiantly pay a token for that if it meant being on the first page, however if there are 100, or 500 side show images for a certain keyword term (and there will be in the future if people place 50% of the portfolio in the sideshow), and only 8 are shown on the first page - it would almost be better to take your chances with the regular search.

or take this example.
in a few years a keyword term YYY has 500 search results. People like the sideshow feature and many put 50% of their images in the sideshow - there is now 200 of the images in the YYY search in the sideshow.
-of the sideshow images only 8 are shown but they are apparently shown is random order and sorted every time, so any given image would be shown in 1 out of every 25 searches. If you have an image in the main search that comes up in page 1 it is shown 25 out of 25 searches.... the side show would NOT be the best option. Lucky oliver is down right now so i don't know how many images it shows on a page but maybe 50 - that means the image in our example has a 1/10 chance of getting on the first page with the regular search.

I think in the end, the sideshow would only be worth it for images that are stuck at the bottom of the search results and are neglected.

As I've said before, it is going to take some analysis to figure out whether an image should be in the sideshow.

Right now, we're assuming that if someone is able to put 25% of their portfolio in, then they'll put 25% in - maybe not everyone will opt to do that. Same with 50%.

If you're looking at placement issues, then it may not make any sense to put some images in. In the 'lady' example, someone with a portfolio that is 50% images with the sticky word 'lady' would be shooting themselves in the foot for putting a bunch of 'lady' images in the sideshow. But that is just one sticky word out of maybe 30 or so. Suppose those images also have another sticky word that isn't so crowded, in that case it might help get more placement. My point is that maybe it isn't just a one sticky word issue.

The 'lady' and 'dog' searches are examples of common words that get lots of sideshow images right now... but look at the thousands of other sticky words that show zero sideshow images. Don't forget that also Bryan recently stated that the majority of searches done on LO are for more than 1 sticky word (if i recall, he said that the average was 3?).

And lastly, lets not forget that the sideshow has another feature that isn't just a placement issue. It is pricing. Maybe you want your images to earn more money - in which case putting them in the sideshow may out weigh the placement issue.

The slideshow is something new and it may evolve and learning how and when to use it for your own images will certainly evolve as well.

GeoPappas · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2007, 07:35 »

I don't see the Sideshow as having anything to do with placement of images in the result set. It is about allowing images to sell for a higher amount (the Midstock area that Bryan is talking about) and getting a higher royalty (50% vs 30%).

With the Sideshow, there are now two search result sets. The regular result set and the Sideshow result set. Your image will be in one of them, depending on how you want to sell your image.

The Sideshow result set will obviously be much smaller than the normal result set, since you have to have 100 downloads to be eligible and then you only get to put 25% of your images in there (at the most). For example, if you search on "flower", you will get 2500 images in the regular search and 77 in the Sideshow search. Even though the Sideshow will grow in time, so will the regular search. So there is a much higher probability of being found in the Sideshow.

Peiling · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2007, 10:40 »

I am just disappointed that they did not reward people who have been with them despite the slow sales and stayed in the game. $:-\$

Pixart · « **Reply #32 on:** April 24, 2007, 09:59 »

I see this morning that I've had a download two days in a row. I've had 5 downloads in April so far - out of all time total of 13 sales, so almost half of sales (since the first one in January) have been in this month, which isn't over yet.

Sure, my little portfolio is gradually growing - very gradually which has an effect - but if these small numbers reflect the bigger picture, the momentum over at LO must be picking up.

cornishman · « **Reply #33 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:26 »

I think having the ability to set your own prices could be a two edged sword. And that in the end is what this thread is about? Two examples to follow so please bear with me.

First, one of my images at Dreamstime got bumped a level a while ago, and since then downloads has dropped dramatically. Was my best performing image, now its pants....

Secondly, I've uploaded to Featurepic's, set my pricing, reset my pricing again and again, slowly inching downwards, with bigger leaps each time. Very disappointing, not a single sale... (just like SPM by the way, wish I hadn't bothered with them either)

It occurs to me that the market is full of images, and people will not part with anymore than bare minimum credits, when there are other cheaper images.

So having the option of hiking up your prices, in the end may be a bad thing...hope I made sense here, I have a tendency to ramble 'cos I'm a hermit......

leaf · « **Reply #34 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:56 »

did you check out where you image turns up in the results at dreamstime?

I had an image that had well over 100 sales at dreamstime. It sold at least once a week and often once a day. They recently changed their search code and older images now end up farther down... that high selling image of mine hasn't had a sale for a few months now.

sharply_done · « **Reply #35 on:** April 24, 2007, 14:27 »

leaf: Why not delete it and then repost? Seems like an easy workaround to me ...

leaf · « **Reply #36 on:** April 24, 2007, 16:25 »

Quote from: sharply_done on April 24, 2007, 14:27

leaf: Why not delete it and then repost? Seems like an easy workaround to me ...

well you know that is a good idea, i didn't think of it, but I would be afraid of them not accepting it. It is just a wood texture and they have hundreds of those.

It was very lucky in the searches and had 100+ sales where the other images beside it only had under 10 sales.

On the other hand, if it never gets downloaded anymore, I don't have much to loose.

sharply_done · « **Reply #37 on:** April 25, 2007, 01:18 »

Or jazz it up a bit (so that technically it's not the same shot), then post it and keep the original.

Peiling · « **Reply #38 on:** April 26, 2007, 22:40 »

i dont think we should spend money on the slideshow....i believe we should not spend money at all.....i am a practical person....Johnny, better off to exchange it with someone and get cash in hand....i prefer cash in hand any time....all these gadgets are marketing gimmick.....

that's the role of the marketing dept, to do somehting interesting and exciting and build up the hype...something new that will arouse attention and interest. At the end of the day, whether the thing sells or not is another matter....but there has to be a buzz around talking about it....generating sales is one of the impt things, but building image and buzz is equally imot in marketing......i think the co should be the one paying for the marketing and not the photographer...come on, we only get 30% on the sales right? 70% already used for the marketing, personnel, datbase etc....should we eat into the 30% for more marketing hype? I dont think so....

Anyways, those who reach 100 should just jump in now and take the free ride till July 07, see the results and then make a decision whether to pay or not...at least you have tried and you know if it is useful to you...

sharpshot · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2007, 01:12 »

I have 12 tokens, so I will use those for the sideshow, when we are allowed to use it. If I sell a photo, I will reinvest some of the profits and put more in the sideshow. That way, I can use the sideshow for free

MicrostockGroup Sponsors

Poll

Just wondering how many people can meet even the 100 downloads criteria that LO set for the new features

Author Topic: POLL - Number of Downloads at Lucky Oliver (Read 13304 times)

dbvirago

Photoguy

Photoguy

Related Topics

Sponsors

Microstock Poll Results

Sponsors