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michealo

« on: April 03, 2008, 08:10 »
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Anyone going to Ref5resh in Malta? I booked my ticket and accommodation today ....


« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 08:29 »
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pardon my naivety, but what are you talking about  ??? what is Ref5resh

« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2008, 08:47 »
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michealo

« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2008, 08:55 »
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istockalypse type event for non exclusives

« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2008, 09:18 »
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ok, thanks.  here is another thread with more ticket information etc.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=67469&page=1

i guess i might seriously consider going... it definitely sounds interesting.

« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2008, 09:25 »
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more info

Cost of the event:  US $350
Lodging: (cheapest) 112.5 Euro (5 nights)
Dates: June 15-22, 2008

a question for those who have gone to these things.  Can you use the pictures you take in the shoots for stock?  It seems it could get complicated or something when there are 50 people with images from the same shoot ???

and would it be worth the ~$1000+ it would cost
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 10:06 by leaf »

« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2008, 10:29 »
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You can but only at istock, you can't upload anything taken at these events to other sites.
more info

Cost of the event:  US $350
Lodging: (cheapest) 112.5 Euro (5 nights)
Dates: June 15-22, 2008

a question for those who have gone to these things.  Can you use the pictures you take in the shoots for stock?  It seems it could get complicated or something when there are 50 people with images from the same shoot ???

and would it be worth the ~$1000+ it would cost

michealo

« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2008, 10:57 »
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well its a cheap holiday and a good networking opportunity and I'm in the cheap hotel if anyone else is coming ...

« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2008, 11:02 »
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a question for those who have gone to these things.  Can you use the pictures you take in the shoots for stock?  It seems it could get complicated or something when there are 50 people with images from the same shoot ???

and would it be worth the ~$1000+ it would cost

Creating stock is the primary focus of these events. Think about the prices for a moment and you'll see something interesting. The ticket price is US$350. Do you think iStock would profit from that? Do you think they'd even come close to break-even?? Of course not. They book locations, LOTS of models, LOTS of lighting equipment, makeup & wardrobe, plus all the organisation, and sending 5+ staff members out! The money they make is in the photos taken during the event and the rise in (usually exclusive) contributors' skill level. (Any other agencies reading this take note!!!).  So while they make a massive loss on the event, it's recouped within months and after that it's all profit. Why else would iStock continue running iStockalypse events?

I attended the last iStockalypse as a guest and asked the "is it worth it" question to about five of the participants who had previously been to one or more such events. The responses varied between three and six months to recoup the cost, after which it's all profit.

michealo

« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2008, 11:16 »
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So Lee, Argentina to London to Malta - you coming !?

« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2008, 12:03 »
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Anyone going to Ref5resh in Malta? I booked my ticket and accommodation today ....

Sorry for the expression, but this is utter bull**it.... !!

What average contributor can afford to go on vacation with his earned money to ................................................................... ..?...

Just another hollow ad campagne.

Patrick.

michealo

« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2008, 12:08 »
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Well the $21 million IS paid out last year makes me think probably quite a few.

Its a nice place, lovely weather , and you get to hang out with other stock photographers ...

some of whom I am hoping won't be too curmudgeonly

CofkoCof

« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2008, 12:28 »
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Went for some beers with a friend thats exclusive with IS yesterday. He just got back from Argentina for that Che'lypse or what was it called. He spent 2000 and expects to get it back in a few months with the pictures he made. Now I'm wondering if I should go to Minilypse that we have here in Ljubljana. It's "only" 180 :D

« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 12:36 »
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So Lee, Argentina to London to Malta - you coming !?

I'd definately like to, though at this time it's not looking likely.

« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2008, 12:39 »
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What average contributor can afford to go on vacation with his earned money to ................................................................... ..?...

Agree 100%. I went to the last one and didn't see any "average" contributors there. Only successful ones who knew how to create stock photos that sell. Everyone who goes makes a profit on what they spend.

Just another hollow ad campagne.

Disagree 100%. The contributors profit and iStock profits. It's win-win. What's "hollow" about that?

« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2008, 13:01 »
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Well I'm interested in going, but I'd rather camp or stay in a hostel than pay those ridiculous prices for the hotels.  I don't think I'd go anywhere in Europe and pay that much!  They seem to have made deals with the hotels though, so I guess they probably get a cut of what the hotel takes.

« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2008, 13:22 »
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Well I'm interested in going, but I'd rather camp or stay in a hostel than pay those ridiculous prices for the hotels.  I don't think I'd go anywhere in Europe and pay that much!  They seem to have made deals with the hotels though, so I guess they probably get a cut of what the hotel takes.

Still then, i live in europe... going to malta, a very expensive region, considering myself a a moderate earner on stock, i can not afford that... final.

In all honesty, what photog/contributar from outside europe can afford this trip and  say afterwords, ppppppppffffffff, i easily earn that money back... !!!

Please come foreward... and in doing so it will be clear that this cathering isn't for the average photog/contributor.

Patrick.

michealo

« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2008, 14:14 »
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Seren is 22.5 a night really a ridiculous amount for a hotel?

« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 14:46 »
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In all honesty, what photog/contributar from outside europe can afford this trip and  say afterwords, ppppppppffffffff, i easily earn that money back... !!!

Please come foreward... and in doing so it will be clear that this cathering isn't for the average photog/contributor.

Patrick.


Hey Patrick,

That's easy. There's a list: http://www.istockalypse.com/BuenosAires/whos_coming.html

See how many contributors came from Europe to South America, and not all of them from rich European nations. Then take a look at their portfolios - not too many average ones there. Then sitemail them and ask them how long it takes to recoup the cost.

Buenos Aires isn't so expensive, so perhaps you'd better look at some of the previous iStockalypse events and find one in a more expensive location. But you'll see the same thing - "non average" contributors traveling from all parts of the world.

« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 14:47 »
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Seren is 22.5 a night really a ridiculous amount for a hotel?

When I looked the prices were more than that?  But a three star hotel in Malta, you're looking at 22.50E each for a double room at least.  A single room would have a supplement charged most likely so you're looking at more whichever way you go.  But the page with the actual prices (not just "From" prices) isn't working, so I guess we'll know more when the site is working properly.

« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2008, 14:58 »
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In all honesty, what photog/contributar from outside europe can afford this trip and  say afterwords, ppppppppffffffff, i easily earn that money back... !!!

Please come foreward... and in doing so it will be clear that this cathering isn't for the average photog/contributor.

Patrick.


Hey Patrick,

That's easy. There's a list: http://www.istockalypse.com/BuenosAires/whos_coming.html

See how many contributors came from Europe to South America, and not all of them from rich European nations. Then take a look at their portfolios - not too many average ones there. Then sitemail them and ask them how long it takes to recoup the cost.

Buenos Aires isn't so expensive, so perhaps you'd better look at some of the previous iStockalypse events and find one in a more expensive location. But you'll see the same thing - "non average" contributors traveling from all parts of the world.


hi Lee,

I get your point. In one way you are completely right... but... here comes the but....

What photog doing this as a hobby, stucked in a different daily job can afford, make time to just go on this trip... unless he/she is a real **s licker with the boss and gets time off and above that can afford a whole week vacation.... will go on that trip... as I said, it's not for the average photog/submitter.

Another thing to take into account... unless you are willing to drink tap water during the whole trip, eat supermarket sandwiches your trip will be much more expensive than  suspected... i live in europe, i know the cost and prices in europe.  Are you willing to stay in the hotel with the whole bunch and not visit the sight seeings.?... i doubt....
Conclusion.... you need to have an out of daily job, earn a good living, or at least make a lot out of stock photography to afford such a social trip.

Patrick.

« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2008, 15:24 »
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well i think that was Lee's point.  These events are  attended by non avereage stock shooters.  They are not made to appeal to the average stock shooter.   If it was it probably wouldn't be for a week.  The only ones who can take a week off are the ones who are self employed stock shooters.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2008, 15:27 by leaf »

« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2008, 15:26 »
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I attended the last iStockalypse as a guest



like a guest who was paid to come, or had a free pass?  how did you wrangle that?

« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2008, 15:27 »
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well i think that was Lee's point.  These events are attended by non avereage stock shooters.  They are not made to appeal to the average stock shooter.   If it was it probably wouldn't be for a week.  The only ones who can take a week off are the ones who are self employed stock shooters.

Not sure which country you live in, but in the UK most employees of private companies get 21+ days off of holiday per year.  That's four weeks if you play your cards right.  It's not unfeasible to take a week off to go on a photographic hobby!

« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2008, 15:50 »
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Seren is 22.5 a night really a ridiculous amount for a hotel?

When I looked the prices were more than that?  But a three star hotel in Malta, you're looking at 22.50E each for a double room at least.  A single room would have a supplement charged most likely so you're looking at more whichever way you go.  But the page with the actual prices (not just "From" prices) isn't working, so I guess we'll know more when the site is working properly.

if you are alone and book a room it looks like it is 35 Euro


 

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