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« Reply #50 on: January 02, 2009, 06:41 »
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Dear friends,

I updated the webpage to brand new version. New version includes 2 different statuses: registered/unregistered user. Registered users pay for searching (currently 0.05 USD per one search), unregistered don't pay. The big difference is in service you get:

With searching as registered user you will:

    * get first 3 paid-version searches free of charge without making any deposit
    * get rid of all the ads
    * be able to search 4 microstock in one time !!!
    * choose the image types to show
    * get result of keywords from 4 different microstock photobanks (not a final number ...)
    * be able to see up to 80 images from one microstock and up to 200 thumbnails to choose from
    * see up to 300 keyword ideas (in case the result returns so many)
    * be able to keep your deposit unlimited time
    * choose to remember selected images and search for another and finally get the keyword results for all of them
    * get the one search cost ( currently 0.05 USD) the same for the rest of the life of your account - even in the case the cost for one search will be raised in future
    * and other benefits

I highly recommend to read the info under "You should read this information" at the webpage where I explain all the features, restrictions and other things.

Any ideas are welcomed and I'm looking forward for your reactions.

M.

« Last Edit: January 02, 2009, 06:43 by mahroch »


« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2009, 14:46 »
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Hi everyone.

I have been using findphotokeywords.com from the first day it was announced here on the forum.

I'm very happy with it. It's a great tool. I have registered, and used it for the past couple of days intensively, with great satisfaction.
I think that all the new options are wonderful. For example, to be able to choose images from multiply sites in the same search is a great improvement.

I strongly believe that it dose improve my sales.

recommended.

Noam

« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2009, 06:10 »
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Hallo to all,

I get some mails with complains that 3 initial searches is not enough for discovering the site.

That's why I decided to rise initial number of free of charge searches from actual 3 to 8. Ihope this is enought to make a good picture about the site and discover the possibilities.

All users already registered will therefore get 5 searches more free of charge.

Enjoy  :-*

M.

« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2009, 12:37 »
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hehehe... thank you!

« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2009, 04:44 »
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Your tool for keywords is really great. I've been using it for some time. But I will go back to Yuri's free tool for now because I don't produce many images and I have enough time to choose right keywords for my images. But I recommend your website to others

« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2009, 06:35 »
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Congrats, really nice tool.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2009, 06:44 by tilo »

« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2009, 18:28 »
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My congratulations to, really nice tool and big timesaver. Just wish say to everyone that I'm just purchased search credits via moneybookers. It is not official and automatic, instead it is manual but it working well. Mean, credits are there and moneybookers transaction is so simple.

Regards,
BA

« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2009, 13:25 »
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Friends in photography,
I heard an idea: when you have to pay per search and sometimes you need more then one search per image to receive a result that you are happy with, then it can get expensive to keyword a particular image. Some photographers may find it more attractive to pay a subscription fee per year for this service.

Technically should be possible to implement both systems - if you want to pay per search then OK, if you decide to pay by subscription, the Ok as well.

The question is - how much do you think is reasonable charge per month/week/day ???

Thanks for your opinions and ideas.

Maros

« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2009, 16:10 »
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Well, the question is : how many images does an average user shoot per year?  For me, that would be around 1000.  If I could use the same keywords for every 5 photos, I would use the keywording feature 200 times per year x 0,05 = 10 dollars.   For some one who does more similar photos, like 10 per subject, it would only be 5 dollars.
You could also let the user choose how much he/she wants to pay in advance, and let the site deduct 0,05 per search.

Maros, I just used the site for the first time since I registered.  I simply love it that I can search 4 sites in one run!!!  Fantastic!
One little bug :  if I choose "semicolon + space" or "comma + space", the spaces never show up in the results ...

« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2009, 16:47 »
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Thanks Anyka, I'll check the bug :)
M.

« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2009, 16:55 »
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cool site. any help is good. I just joined.

Oh, and for those sites that need commas. Just cut and paste the keywords into Word.

Then go Edit>Find>Replace and then press the spacebar in the Find what?

in the Replace with: put in a comma and then press the spacebar

Hit the "replace all" and it will be done for you.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2009, 17:03 by litifeta »

« Reply #61 on: January 12, 2009, 11:28 »
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to litifeta: thanks for joining and idea how to deal with commas.

However - it's a bug :-) I'll correct it asap.

M.

« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2009, 17:55 »
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Hi,

some of you asked me to add some professional photo stocks. Here we go with the first one - I added new microstock to the searching engine - Getty Images. 

As well I corrected some minor bugs they appeared while selecting and sorting the final list of keywords.

Thanx to everybody for help - especially to Jansphotos.net and Richard (RTimages).

Enjoy the power of searching 5 photobanks in one time !

M.

« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2009, 05:35 »
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Hallo all,

Few feedbacks lead me to to re-think the subscription type payments. Little counting: let's say you are a productive photographer and you create 10 unique images per day. You go to the site and look for the image. Because you are not perfect you need eg. 15 searches to find the correct keywords for all the images (remember that you use the same keywords for more images in the serie). You work 22 days per month, that gives us 15*22 = 330 searches per month. In actual rating it would cost you 16.5 USD.

Using this mathematics - what would you say to the idea of subscription flat fee 20 USD per month ?

Of course - there still would be the chance to pay for each search (actual setting). So you could choose to pay per search or pay by subscription.

Thanx for feedback

M.

« Reply #64 on: January 23, 2009, 06:03 »
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I think $20/month sounds like quite a bit when there is a similar products being offered for free.  I am not sure what the right amount would be though. 

I tried out the non paid version, and it didn't seem like the 'unselect all words' button was working.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 08:12 by leaf »

michealo

« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2009, 06:39 »
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There are at least two free options out there already, at $20 a month you are charging $240 a year
I can't see you getting many takers but I could be wrong

« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2009, 11:12 »
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Thanks for your feedbacks.

Yes, you are right counting how much it is per year as well as counting with other free services like the our one. As you can see the idea of counting came from the average searching amount and cost per search. Your feedback tells me - in other words - that you think 0.05 USD per search is a bit too much. This is a question for me: if you are effective you will need 1-2 searches per one bunch of images. Usually the photographer makes few different images of the same thing, so he can effectively use the same keywords for more images and add only 1-2 words related to specifics of each image. If you count that you pay let's say 0.1 USD per extraordinary keywords for bunch of images I don't see it as too much. Of course if you need a lot of searches for a lot of different images - maybe subscription is better for you.

As well you need to count that you can select the keywords from 5 microstocks (will be more) in one search ! That saves you a lot of your time - comparing 0.1 USD with the free ones where you search only one microstock.

And one more thing - you can decide to pay subscription for one month when you have a lot of photos and the other months you do it as pay-per-search - or according to your needs.

Anyway - the main question is : Do you think subscription is a good idea? If so, what would be optimal amount per month (we can see 20 USD looks like too much for you :-) ?

Thanks for feedback

to leaf : Thanks for information, I'll check the bug.

Maros

michealo

« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2009, 19:01 »
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Thanks for your feedbacks.

Yes, you are right counting how much it is per year as well as counting with other free services like the our one. As you can see the idea of counting came from the average searching amount and cost per search. Your feedback tells me - in other words - that you think 0.05 USD per search is a bit too much. This is a question for me: if you are effective you will need 1-2 searches per one bunch of images. Usually the photographer makes few different images of the same thing, so he can effectively use the same keywords for more images and add only 1-2 words related to specifics of each image. If you count that you pay let's say 0.1 USD per extraordinary keywords for bunch of images I don't see it as too much. Of course if you need a lot of searches for a lot of different images - maybe subscription is better for you.

As well you need to count that you can select the keywords from 5 microstocks (will be more) in one search ! That saves you a lot of your time - comparing 0.1 USD with the free ones where you search only one microstock.

And one more thing - you can decide to pay subscription for one month when you have a lot of photos and the other months you do it as pay-per-search - or according to your needs.

Anyway - the main question is : Do you think subscription is a good idea? If so, what would be optimal amount per month (we can see 20 USD looks like too much for you :-) ?

Thanks for feedback

to leaf : Thanks for information, I'll check the bug.

Maros

I will give you feedback for say a subscription of $20 a month ....
Or a per question basis of $5 a question ....

« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2009, 20:58 »
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Anyway - the main question is : Do you think subscription is a good idea? If so, what would be optimal amount per month (we can see 20 USD looks like too much for you :-) ?

Looks like a great idea when you find a way to repay, let's say 95% of it, those people whose hard work of original keywording you're basically scavenging by this clever scheme and making money from it.  :'(

« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2009, 05:28 »
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to michealo  and FlemishDreams: Guys, I got your point, but there is one point you missed - I don't run the page to profit from it. In other words the fee per search was counted as aliquot part of the cost of web hosting, domain and cost for traffic over the limit. As I wrote in previous messages this page was made for my own purposes and I run it more than year on my local comp and then my friends told me that would be nice to have it publicly accessible. First month (Nov-Dec 2008) I run it for free, but the cost for traffic over the quota was higher than the income from adds and donations. That's why I had to make it other way - pay per search, because you can easily count how much data is transferred in one search. Now I'm looking for ways how to run it as cheap as possible for most of the users.

January is almost over and soon I will get the statistics for cost of traffic. Then I will see if the 'payments' cover the costs. If not, I will close the service, run it locally or let it only for friends - without exceeding the traffic cost.

You can argue with that, but tis is the true behind the fees. Believe it or not - it is up to you.

M.

michealo

« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2009, 09:37 »
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Data transfer "in" and "out" of Amazon EC2 is $0.17 per GB and respectively $0.10 per GB

You mention a per search figure of 5c which would suggest a dataset of in the hundreds of MB, your code must be hellishly inefficient ...

« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2009, 10:46 »
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michealo : I use different service but I can show you my counts on your example:

Looking at the statistics you tells you that the page counted more than 8200 searches since Jan 1st from which approx. 200 was paid (in fact - it is hard to say exact number, because some of the users got free searches for helping with the tuning so they used it for testing purposes).

Let's say that average amount of images to show is 100 images in one search (non paid 20, paid up to 200, many times applied filter, ...), each image of 7 kbs = 8200 searches * 100 images * 7 kbs = 5,74 GB = traffic just on images + add some traffic with ads and other data transferred in each search can make some 15 GB of traffic per month.  (Am I counting right ?)

The lowest prices you can calculate here: http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html# , you can enter storage 1 GB, Transfer-in 1 Gb, Transfer-out 20 GB (just to be sure we put some more than needs to be) and 10000 requests PUT/lists and other as well 10000. The price for month is calculated as 3,76 USD per month, which means that 75,2 searches per month per price 5 cents per search should cover it.

All together it means that if I used your favorite service I would earn 200*0.05 - Amazon costs = 6.24 USD. And we still didn't count the domain registering costs and some service setting costs (mailserver setting, ...) which is not much, but still some. Unfortunately I use service which is more expensive, because in the time I published this page I was not so clever and I didn't understand all the things as I do it now. But the 1 year contract is already set so I have to deal with it.

Am I still counting correctly ?

From this point might the flat rate for any amount look too expensive. However - I cannot expect how many searches it could be per month in the flat rate and I need to be sure that it will cover the costs. That's why I asked about it. Maybe the question was wrong and should be : How many searches do you think can productive photographer make per one month ? Then I could count the price of subscription....

M.

« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2009, 10:56 »
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You could also drop the idea of subscriptions, and give a discount to people who pay for searches in advance.  Like this :  instead of paying 0,05 per search at the moment of the search (or after), the customer could pay for 250 searches in advance and only pay 10 dollars instead of 12,50, which is a discount of 25%.

« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2009, 11:14 »
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In fact the users get the 5% of bought searches as discount (if you pay 5 USD you should get 100 searches, but you get 105, if 50 USD you should get 1000 but you get 1050).

I can make it more progressive - running up to 25 % - if you pay for 100 searches you get 105 (5% bonus), if you pay for 1000 searches you could get 1250 (25% bonus).

This is a good idea.

M.

« Reply #74 on: January 27, 2009, 03:25 »
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Keywords are intellectual property of the contributor. Your software is stealing these keywords and you are asking money for it? Hmmm... risky.


 

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