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Agency Based Discussion => Mostphotos.com => Topic started by: anonymous on January 18, 2008, 12:20
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Got tagged today by a negative vote spammer. Hit me with a "1" on an image that sells just fine. Went and looked at his portfolio, very similar stuff, so I negged him. I don't care, kick me off if you guys want, but the voting thing will wind up destroying your site. And will certainly irritate enough photogs in the process. But seriously, any voting a-holes tag me like that, I'll bang them right back...punish me as you will, but you better take care of them as well.
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I wonder what the effect of a low vote will be on sale potential of a photo?
I got a 3, looked at the voter's portfolio and decided it was just a case of a person who doesn't have the necessary knowledge of photography to evaluate a photo. So I ignored him, but it is annoying. I uploaded the same photo to iStock where I got nothing but full marks from members I know at least passed the iStock evaluation.
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Take some time and read in the site forum in some threads where the admins explains a little how their system works and you will be less worried about the voting system. They claim to have built a very smart and advanced system that deals with these issues. Abusers will be automatically punished by the system. Their votes will not count for much and their own picture's rating will also suffer from it. The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either. Relevant keywords, view and sales have a much greater impact acording to admins. So there is really no use in retaliation. None of my sold images have had very high votes. I don't really care if someone doesn't like a picture of mine. Different people have different taste, and so does the buyers. What some hate, others love....
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The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.
Then what purpose does the voting serve? If it's not affecting the ratings, it DOES affect people's tempers. I personally don't vote because it's a waste of time - would rather spend it working on new photos. I'm not there to coach other photographers, I'm there to sell. But when vote-tards start blasting "1's" for no reason other than to screw with people, I promise I'll shoot back. If "The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either", then any "punishment" they (or I) receive is moot.
Please just grow out of the "vanity site mentality" and run a professional micro-macro site and quit jacking with useless votes. All it does is irritate.
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CCK: I agree what you said about necessary knowledge.
I just try to ignore votes given by other users since there is lot of people who just give your images random numbers (from 1 to 10 depends on case).
I only try to give good points to images what I like and have enough knowledge to do so. I have very limited knowledge what is called ART or what image has commercial value so it is very hard to give realistic points to images. I know little bit on certain areas and try to find images which have these qualities and give points to these images.. Bashing others work and also doing it without leaving a good critique is just bad behaviour and does not help anyone.
br, MJP
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The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.
Then what purpose does the voting serve?
One bad vote out of ten or twenty woun't make a difference. A large majority of low votes on an image will however surely make the image end up later in searches. There is no reviews so the voting is one part of the rating.
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As I said before, ratings cause a lot of negativity in SP, and they could only do the same in MS. And giving rewards to ratings only makes things worse...
Regards,
Adelaide
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The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.
Then what purpose does the voting serve?
One bad vote out of ten or twenty woun't make a difference. A large majority of low votes on an image will however surely make the image end up later in searches. There is no reviews so the voting is one part of the rating.
But, I don't want my images being reviewed by other contributors, either mp has reviewers or it doesn't, don't let the opinions of the others affect my search ratings.
rosta
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It was strange at first but now I like the fact that MP doesn't have reviewers. It makes it different to all the other sites. There are a lot of sites with the same images and it is good to see one with images that might be rejected but could be good for the buyer.
It has been stated in the past that a lot of images are used on websites, so I sometimes wonder why a good photo is rejected for slight grain or artifacts at 100% when there could still be a use for it at smaller sizes. With MP, the buyers can look at the image at full size and decide if it is useful.
2mp is fine for most uses but a lot of sites require double this size as a minimum now.
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The voting doesn't really count for much in the end either.
Then what purpose does the voting serve?
One bad vote out of ten or twenty woun't make a difference. A large majority of low votes on an image will however surely make the image end up later in searches. There is no reviews so the voting is one part of the rating.
But, I don't want my images being reviewed by other contributors, either mp has reviewers or it doesn't, don't let the opinions of the others affect my search ratings.
rosta
...and therein my friend is the conundrum. If you want to sell your images and not become politically involved with everybody, MP is likely not the site you want to work with.
If you're more interested in "community" and chatting with folks about how to improve your photo skills, MP is probably a fun place to hang.
That being said, I'm here to sell my photos and not have other contributors "rating" my work (they would be wiser rating their OWN) and affecting search results (I thought that was why we "keyworded" our images). I really want this site to work but it is already moving in the direction of ShutterPoint. It's already stirring "unease"...I should be prepping my next batch of photos right now instead of blabbing about this...
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I like the self inspecting aspect of MP. I find myself being more selective, with some other sites it's a bit of a game to see if a photo will get through. I don't like the voting system though.
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I've go no problem with buyers rating work they've purchased. I don't think many purchasers would actually bother to rate something unless it was flawed though. I do have trouble with people qualifying a photo they can only view at a fraction of it's size.
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.....I do have trouble with people qualifying a photo they can only view at a fraction of it's size.
There is a zoom they can use to see the quality at a larger size.
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Dump the rating system. If I want a critique of my work, I'll ask.
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Dump the rating system. If I want a critique of my work, I'll ask.
I totally agree with that.
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kind of like buying a nice car and putting shag carpet on the dash...
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All,
I've posted a review of the MP site here:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php/topic,3547.msg33390.html#msg33390 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php/topic,3547.msg33390.html#msg33390)
Mark
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kicking the dead horse ONE*MORE*TIME before i delete my stuff.....
A$$-Tard hitting my work with "1's"...lowered my rating, which lowers my visibility. I went and a$$ slammed ALL of his images (amazingly didn't hurt his ratings as everyone else he's "bashed" has hit him back too)...just stirring up bad blood and showing the sincere lack of pro intentions of the site....you guys (Mostvotos) better wake up or your gonna go down the turdhole with a mighty flush and a lack of valid contributors.I know, I know, "ratings only make up a small part of the "MPI", but they make up a massive annoying part of the caring photog's time (still no sales, just wasted time "voting" to try and be visible...obviously not working)...
One more time and I'm out
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For what it's worth to you, I'd be glad to rate your images (honestly and fairly.. and I am not a 'blaster'..more of a 'high-rater'. In fact, I rarely waste time rating anything unless the thumbnail grabs my attention) to help even it out. It's no trouble, I like casting random votes most days I am logged in, and am always looking for interesting ports to send some votes to. I myself have yet to be slammed by a low-voter, but it would tick me off too.. I am sorry to hear you've had such poor experiences there.
So far, I am really having fun over at MP, myself. I have only been there less than a week, and with a measly 30 images up so far, no sales yet, but I am willing to keep uploading my (rather small) portfolio in hopes of eventually getting a few 25 euro sales.
I'd like to see you stick around, and not be put off by a few idiots who have nothing better to do than to slam galleries...
So what's your MP name? I'll make sure to go through your port with honest, fair votes... I swear! :) ( and no, I don't work for them!) Or PM me with your MP name. That will work just as well.. :)
Monica ( username 'monilu' on MP and most other stocks, if you want to check my record to be sure :))
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I just began to upload there two days ago, got some immediate rating which didn't bother me, and suddenly, yesterday, four 1s. Just checked, they were given on two pics by somebody who registered the same day. He uploaded five pictures and gave 48 ratings.
First question : As Mostphotos seems to want to keep that system of rating by "peers" shouldn't it be limited to certain "confirmed" photographers, i.e. people with a minimum portfolio and not just anybody trying to get his first pictures up by a shot-gun technique of rating instead of working at his/her own portfolio ?
Second question : if this rating is not really useful in the overall rating, why keep it ?
Third question : what about an "opt out" clause for photographers who don't want to play this game (i.e. they don't get rated but they can't give rating).
Personally, I spend already too much time to upload my pictures and prepare them before that, for playing games of hide and seek.
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I just began to upload there two days ago, got some immediate rating which didn't bother me, and suddenly, yesterday, four 1s. Just checked, they were given on two pics by somebody who registered the same day. He uploaded five pictures and gave 48 ratings.
How can you see who rated you? I'm still having difficulties to navigate around MP as it's so slow, heavily programmed and loaded with scripts. The navigation map looks to me like the Gordian Maze ;-)
PS - and I wish they would get rid of their spell errors. Looks so unprofessional. Your pictures are beeing uploaded... I can always hear the bees humming then ;D
I made an enemy myself, so I can expect a stalker re-registering too and flame me with 1's. Whatever...
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It was a try and miss job. And I was lucky. I had just something like 8 pictures. I clicked on the first one and here it was, the rating. Clicking on it got me to the rater.
Of course, with 1000 photographs I think I would have encountered more difficulties...
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Good idea ParisEye, being able to opt in or out of the ratings. It would stop any conflict.
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For what it's worth to you, I'd be glad to rate your images (honestly and fairly..
I appreciate your kindness but I'm not looking for the "ratings", just the "sales". Thank you though. What pi$$es me off about the whole thing is that the result of the spam-tard hitting my image with a "1", took it out of the number "1" result for the search term and dropped it 7 positions. It's just simply a horrible method of determining search results.
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I just began to upload there two days ago, got some immediate rating which didn't bother me, and suddenly, yesterday, four 1s. Just checked, they were given on two pics by somebody who registered the same day. He uploaded five pictures and gave 48 ratings.
How can you see who rated you? I'm still having difficulties to navigate around MP as it's so slow, heavily programmed and loaded with scripts. The navigation map looks to me like the Gordian Maze ;-)
PS - and I wish they would get rid of their spell errors. Looks so unprofessional. Your pictures are beeing uploaded... I can always hear the bees humming then ;D
I made an enemy myself, so I can expect a stalker re-registering too and flame me with 1's. Whatever...
Flemish,
When you click on an image thumbnail, right where you see rating, click on the number of votes. An example would be: Rating 7 (54 votes) ... click on the "54 votes" part. There you can see a list of who's voted on your image and what ratings. From there the names are linke to their profile.
I hope this helps.
Mark
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I just checked alexa.com and compete.com for MP. Both sites do not have yet data for MP.
that means that traffic is still very low and that expecting sales (that is more than one sale a month) is premature.
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I just checked alexa.com and compete.com for MP. Both sites do not have yet data for MP.
that means that traffic is still very low and that expecting sales (that is more than one sale a month) is premature.
I think they've only just started pursuing international markets within the last 4-5 months. Prior to that is was Swedish based only I belive ...
Mark
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I've been there like 48 hours now... I will never ever give anyone a poor rating. If I can't say anything nice (10) I will not say anything at all. I hope I never have to feel vindictive. Ratings are just plain stupid.
STUPID. STUPID STUPID.
I've said it before, but here I go again.... The only people who should be able to rate anything are those who have actually paid for the item and tried to use it.
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While voting can be considered as good or bad feature - it mostly depends on the users how it is received. Just do not engage in childish behaviour - and all should be fine. Someone slams your pics with obviously biased ratings - just block him, problem solved. Do not get annoyed, do not engage in "revenge" ratings. The number of stupid people roaming around the site and giving everyone "1" or "10" is very small - why should this annoy you to a degree that you consider dumping the site ?
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your ability to "block" other users is limited. I was only able to block 1 spam-tard and then the feature is no longer available. And i agree with Hatman, i NEVER give a poor rating unless I'm forced to in retaliation to a barrage of 1's.
MP is progressing down the "Shutterpoint path" exactly as I predicted 3 months ago and shall continue as long as the rating/comment system is in place.
And another interesting thing is, EVERY "1" rating that I've received was given by people in ONE country (i won't say which one because i don't want to start a war but it's pretty cold there most of the time ;) )
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I think the stirrers would be in the minority anonymous. Let's all not be too precious.
Personally I have never given anyone a vote lower than 5. If the image is bad, I just will not vote. My average votes are 7.5.
BTW, congrats on your sales at MP, I have never had sale.
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Let's all not be too precious.
heh...I'm sure I'm losing something in translation :)
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I love the voting system.
Its fun when 15 year old photographers get a chance to judge others work.
Its fun when serious working photographers get rated by other photographers.
But i only wounder one thing? Why is not sales mentioned?
Sale is the ultimate vote!
Sales is the only feedback that makes a difference in the long run.
Thats both for the serviceprovider and artist.
I been long in photo but i am a newbee at Stock, i really appreciate that other "stockpros" and buyers contribute with feedback. Thats the only way to develop a commercial site and gain profit.
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I am sure you love the voting system Windmill you certainly loved slamming me with 3s and 1s
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I think the stirrers would be in the minority anonymous. Let's all not be too precious.
Personally I have never given anyone a vote lower than 5. If the image is bad, I just will not vote. My average votes are 7.5.
BTW, congrats on your sales at MP, I have never had sale.
me too, i haven't given less than 7 (and that only 3 times), if you can't something nice don't say anything at all. I also haven't got the time to give lots of votes, just the stuff that grabs me.
Phil
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I love the voting system.
Its fun when 15 year old photographers get a chance to judge others work.
15 years old photographers are even more arrogant than usually.
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I love the voting system.
Its fun when 15 year old photographers get a chance to judge others work.
15 years old photographers are even more arrogant than usually.
if you're not old enough to drive, i don't want your opinion : )
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I don't think the age of a reviewer is as important as their objectivity ...
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I am so sorry to declare that my first comment was not 100% clear.
What i meant is that the only true vote i SALES!
The voting are just a fun and fast way for feedback. I don't mind getting 1-3 on pictures, if they are no good.
I do mind when 15 year old photographers, go round and put 1-5 on pictures that are technically correct.
Okay, not grounch, hip or in your style, thats OK, you maybe never would spend a dollar on that picture yourself.
But please, if you are interested in art. You are acting wrong if you judge photos that are technically good, with 1-4.
If there i a 10 grade scale i use the whole scale.
I don't smash 1-3 around me nor do i give 9 - 10 very often either. If you are interested in what a 10 is for me take a look at Vikavalters portfolio!
Thats a masterclass! I have been long in photo, but i am a newbee at stock, i love too see more stock that also has that fantastic artistic feeling.
Until today my votes are like this:
Given votes: Vote % Count
1 3.35% 216
2 4.15% 268
3 6.88% 444
4 11% 710
5 14.56% 940
6 18.05% 1165
7 19.97% 1289
8 13.21% 853
9 6.03% 389
10 2.82% 182
Total 5.85 6456
If i give someone
1-4: there is something that is technically wrong, its not sharp, its has bad light and composition.
If i give 4-5 i don't find obvious reason to put it as a rawmodel for nice stockphotos or photos.
If i give 6-8 i am pleased, it is what i think a relevant to very good stockphoto. Its technically very good, its well composed, has god lightning and will surely do well commercially.
If i give 9 or 10 i am amazed, it makes all the time I've spent on that site that day, worth the time. I would consider to buy the picture for my pleasure and make a enlargement of i at home or use it as an example of great photo when talking about art and photos with other.
I am glad that you all take your time and contribute to the fine arts and photo. I ll hope we all be rich in both experience and in some time even economically.
Have a lovely day! :D
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Taking the television tower in Berlin as an example, you don't have a property release attached and there is a very visible sensor spot in the top left corner.....
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I don't think the age of a reviewer is as important as their objectivity ...
that's fine if they're old enough to have "developed" objectivity, however, I've yet to meet a 15 year old with that level of maturity. MP now allows you to "block" as many spammers as you want. Anyone who delivered me "1's" on shots that have had nothing but 8's and 9's were "blocked" today and I was kind enough to deliver a couple of slams on their photos (kiss).
As it's been said by so many others before, if it's not good enough to give at least a 5, move on...
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Thank you for your very constructive approach, michealo. I didn't know that the TV tower was copyrighted and will change it to editorial only.
That one example is of course a shame, i will fix pronto ;). I can cope with that though, i still believe sales i the only true VOTE that you can get.
Maybe my photos are not "Stocky" enough? I can live with that too!
For me high ISO photos can deliver a feeling and mood.
OK, maybee stockphoto is not about that.
But people who are putting 1-3 on because they don't like the subject is a totally different story. Take Vikavalters portfolio as a better example, she is a 1.class stockphoto provider, and please tell me which one of her photos should get a 1-3 vote?
I want mostphotos to bee a living marketplace, with a different approach to the portfolio than the big 6. I really hope they will make enough money to stay in business. But i am worried, if they don't get a commercial edge to the funky business, they may well be out of business sooner than anyone realise.
Points are fun, but in the end, cash is king.
With love to all windmill
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Is there an easy way to see which images received low ratings? I had some 1s and 3s and I'm really curious to know which they are.
I looked for my worst ones but none of them got that. :)
Regards,
Adelaide
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had the same from some people there,
without any well-considered comment,
just block them.
and they'll never bother you again.
:D
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Let's all not be too precious.
heh...I'm sure I'm losing something in translation :)
I'm pretty sure that's another way to say. "Get over yourselves." ;D
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well I personally am too self centered to "get over myself" ;)
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Until today my votes are like this:
Given votes: Vote % Count
1 3.35% 216
2 4.15% 268
3 6.88% 444
4 11% 710
5 14.56% 940
6 18.05% 1165
7 19.97% 1289
8 13.21% 853
9 6.03% 389
10 2.82% 182
Total 5.85 6456
If i give someone
1-4: there is something that is technically wrong, its not sharp, its has bad light and composition.
This is beyond pathetic. I just checked your iStock portfolio. 1 sale? You've only had 1 sale at iStock in your whole 3 months online? And yet you have rated 6456 images on MostPhotos? And handed out nearly 1000 ratings of 3 or less?
Who are you to rate anybody? It looks to me from your total lack of results that you don't know the first thing about stock. You shouldn't be rating other people at all. Bad light and composition? You've taken like 5 pictures of a track, and 3 pictures of an elephant. Who cares about your opinion?
But this is what MostPhotos is. It is the playground of the uninformed and unqualified. Exactly the reason I quit, because of morons like this.
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And exactly the reason that I won't upload there.
ETA: I quoted the previous post too quickly, what I meant was that I don't upload there because of the disadvantage given by getting false bad ratings and certainly didn't mean any offence to the people that do upload there and enjoy the ratings. I know that the owners of the site have said that it doesn't make a difference but evidence by other people shows that it does. I don't plan on spending my time rating for the sake of it and I certainly don't want to get bad position in the search ratings because of a few bad members cheating the system.
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This is beyond pathetic. I just checked your iStock portfolio. 1 sale? You've only had 1 sale at iStock in your whole 3 months online? And yet you have rated 6456 images on MostPhotos? And handed out nearly 1000 ratings of 3 or less?
Who are you to rate anybody? It looks to me from your total lack of results that you don't know the first thing about stock. You shouldn't be rating other people at all. Bad light and composition? You've taken like 5 pictures of a track, and 3 pictures of an elephant. Who cares about your opinion?
Now boys, play nice.
What's the point of being so ugly to people? You judge him by how many images he has on his iStock port? What if he's only been in stock for a few months but has been a professional photographer for a long time? What do you know about him, that you can hurl those kinds of insults? Wow... that kind of hostility just baffles me.
Maybe i'm just a sickening disgusting throwback to the past, but I like the camaraderie and community of the stock photography people. MP is an especially good place to have that... because (for instance) on here, we don't go through each other's ports, get to know each other's styles, really learn about each other like we do on MP... so for what it's worth I like MP. I have gotten to know a lot about the photographers that submit there and feel like I know then a lot better by their WORK, not by their WORDS.
Although I must say the people that stand out most to me, on this forum, are the NICE ones, the ones that always have encouraging words to say, kind thoughts, helpful advice above and beyond any realistic expectations. So while MostPhotos gets it together and figures out how to catch their share of the elusive buyers, we can build the library and have fun while we're doing it... no need to be so hostile and quick to judge and snobby about it.
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It seems to me that MP has a bit of an identity problem, in that it’s not sure if it is a photo club or professional stock site. One thing it can’t afford to do is to bleed good photographers. The rating problem needs addressing quickly, the buyers not us need to be kept happy. Is it too difficult to let those who want to participate in the ratings to be separated from those who don’t?
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MP now allows you to "block" as many spammers as you want.
The best thing I ever heard about MP !
Was usefull to me.
By the way, I think this site is
- a good place for backup,
- a good place for loosing the time you don't have,
- a good place for those who are missing ennemies (they don't know you, but already hate you) :D,
- a good place to know something you already knew from people who know they already are: you are not an artist. ;)
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What's the point of being so ugly to people? You judge him by how many images he has on his iStock port? What if he's only been in stock for a few months but has been a professional photographer for a long time? What do you know about him, that you can hurl those kinds of insults?
Gee, I don't know. Maybe because he is handing out poor ratings to other photographers to drive their ratings down? I tend to take things like that seriously. Obviously you don't.
If he's been a professional photographer for a long time, then he hasn't learned anything in the process. His pictures don't sell, which means he knows nothing about microstock. And therefore he shouldn't have the power to rate the microstock viability of anybody else's work.
Once again I stress - he has 1 sale at iStock in 3 months, and he has handed out over 1000 poor image ratings at MostPhotos. Absolute joke.
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What's the point of being so ugly to people? You judge him by how many images he has on his iStock port? What if he's only been in stock for a few months but has been a professional photographer for a long time? What do you know about him, that you can hurl those kinds of insults?
Gee, I don't know. Maybe because he is handing out poor ratings to other photographers to drive their ratings down? I tend to take things like that seriously. Obviously you don't.
If he's been a professional photographer for a long time, then he hasn't learned anything in the process. His pictures don't sell, which means he knows nothing about microstock. And therefore he shouldn't have the power to rate the microstock viability of anybody else's work.
Once again I stress - he has 1 sale at iStock in 3 months, and he has handed out over 1000 poor image ratings at MostPhotos. Absolute joke.
suwannee, I have to agree with Dan. I too have been the victim of Windmill's "voting envy" and it is quite annoying that someone who has no luck or track record in the industry has the ability to "push" legitimate micro-folk down in the rankings (which directly affects SE results on MP) while offering up nothing but smack. I blocked him/her out a long time ago from my port but he/she tends to revel in ball-busting legit photographers (which he/she is not).
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I would do it something like jpgmag.com does for their contests. You get two choices - a yeah or a nay. A yeah counts as a positive, a nay simply marks it voted on, doesn't go against a rating, and prevents anyone from voting a second time.
Just my two cents worth.
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I would do it something like jpgmag.com does for their contests. You get two choices - a yeah or a nay. A yeah counts as a positive, a nay simply marks it voted on, doesn't go against a rating, and prevents anyone from voting a second time.
Just my two cents worth.
sounds better than the current standard...I'll second that emotion :)
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suwannee, I have to agree with Dan. I too have been the victim of Windmill's "voting envy" and it is quite annoying that someone who has no luck or track record in the industry has the ability to "push" legitimate micro-folk down in the rankings (which directly affects SE results on MP) while offering up nothing but smack. I blocked him/her out a long time ago from my port but he/she tends to revel in ball-busting legit photographers (which he/she is not).
Okay I guess that's the part of my statement that I forgot... that people like that ARE annoying as hell on MP but so what, I can block them and its fun to get all pissed off and say 'take that, you a**hole' ... and I have done that several times... there's this one woman who is incredibly rude, seems like she likes to snipe everybody. I just don't see why they have to take their personal problems out on ME. LOL
... and i'm not sure if it even matters that an image goes "lower" in the search because of that, because I don't sell anything on there anyway... my port is full of scenic shots of Florida and I would venture a guess that most of their buyers are Swedish and European (not too many buyers of non-touristy Florida shots, has been my experience).
My main point was why do we ALL have to be so rude?
Thanks anonymous for pointing that out.
Oh and i like the idea of the yeah or nay votes. I would say that most of them would be yeah since *most* of the work on MP is awesome.
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I have to agree with Dan too. What he said may sound harsh but I think if you are going to give out that many ratings you better have something to back it up with.
Fortunately I have not been hit by any "ratings snipers" yet and am still enjoying the Mostphotos experience. :)
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I got annoyed at being the target of an idiot who gave low marks to everything in my portfolio.
Now I don't care. I don't even check the site all that often. Only one sale on 700 uploaded images means that I am losing interest.
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I already posted in other thread the same.
Got a few 1's to my bestsellers from some jackass (sorry for word...) with several crap in their "portfolios". Then rated their few photos with 1's too and blocked them.
Really I don't understand the meaning of this website. If authors want to sell, then they must remove this idiotic rating system and begin to work seriously, including some kind of reviews. If they need just a community with a stage for traffic for advertisement then they must remove selling option. Fine- create a community where everyone can rate each others cats 10's, write apotheosis in comments and do other crap but all these things have nothing with stock business while rating system is perverted.
According buyers rating: it's not objective also. While quality is good (and everyone can check it 100% before buying) then all ratings are unnecessary also. If content, idea and concept of photo is fitting the project then I don't need any rating or comment. The best rating for me is money. If content doesn't fit the project then why to buy and low rate after?
To leave all things for community's consciousness is a nonsense because always there will be idiots around on the net who will destroy good intentions.
In the light of MostPhotos I can understand iStockphoto police behaviour. To keep an order on the website with a big community there must be a really strong but intelligent admins. Otherwise will be two extremities: police state with a Big Brother or anarchy.
Speaking about biggest I think that DT, SS and FT managed to trim between these extremities.
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Hey all!
Thanks for the attention! I am impressed by all the energy you all spend in analyzing my behavior on MP.
About me i am a 37 year old man, living in Sweden outside Stockholm. I got my first camera at 5, took lessons and read at lot about art and photo. I have a bachelor of art from the time i studied art an culture at the University of Uppsala.
I've been working with art and photo for over 15 years. I did hear about stock for like 3-4 years ago but decided to give it a try my self in march 2008.
So to you that don't like my rating, it was a part of my own learningprocess to study many "stock" photos at mp, is, ss, ft and dt. I am sorry if i hurt somebody in that process.
My aim was not to pinpoint or lower some individuals mp index. I do take your oppinion in count and i followed some tips in this thread from earlier, as an example i don't rate "bad" things anylonger, i just zap over them to hopefully be amazed by next photo.
Stock is somewhat different from art, but there are some rules that are genereal to all, that is:
1 composition
2 light
3 colour
If you make a "photo" and post it as a commercial object, you have to stand the feedback.
I remember some posts of quiet simple 3D objects, which where signs for +- and dollar sign, made in gold with bad lightning, no depth of colour and all centered. Maybe thats god stock? I would have skipped to rate these objects today, because i am not longer too sure about if they are so bad as stock as i did first.
To all of you thanks for your interest in my "stockphoto" career and take care.
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Thanks Windmill for clarifying that... hopefully we can let this issue rest in peace now.
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Unfortunately it clarifies nothing. This is what upsets so many people at Mostphotos. No contributor lacking a track record in microstock should have the power to affect the search placement of other contributors. Actually I don't think any contributor should have search placement power over another contributor.
So he has been involved with art and/or photography for a while? Nice. What does he know about stock? What qualifies him to be a reviewer? Since he has very little in the way of sales at major microstock sites, it appears he is not qualified to evaluate the sales potential of microstock images.
If I could barely get 100 uploads online to the top microstock agencies, and had only 1 sale to show for my efforts at iStock, I would be embarrassed to hand out poor ratings to other contributors.
And that is what this truly comes down to. Not that Windmill has no track record as a microstock contributor, but that he is active in negatively affecting the search placement of other contributors. And anyone who thinks these ratings do not affect search much need only to test the results for themselves. They have a decided effect. Very, very unfortunate that your search placement is hugely affected based on the whims of other contributors in direct competition to you. At the very least, you would like to know that those rating you have a track record which "qualifies" their opinion.
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I want to relate one of the horrid reviews I received for an image at MostPhotos. It was for this image:
(http://69.90.174.251/photos/display_pic_with_logo/111517/111517,1206007798,1.jpg)
This image is my most popular Shutterstock image, and one of the highest ranked images of its kind in the Shutterstock database.
It received two separate "1" ratings at MostPhotos, and was therefor buried in MostPhotos search. One of the "reviewers" commented "There is a thumb print on your lens."
Hmmm. I don't see a thumb print. Funny that no reviewer at any microstock site has ever seen this thumb print. And this isn't even addressing the fact that you wouldn't see a thumb print on a lens in the first place, because it would be blurred out by depth of field.
But these are the types of jaded, unqualified, clueless snakes which hand out ratings all day to "improve their MP Index." It is what ticked off our anonymous friend enough to start this thread. And it is also why MostPhotos will struggle to maintain or attract serious contributors who want no part of these Kindergarten games. They certainly could not maintain me, and I have no desire to submit to them until they get rid of this ridiculous community ratings index.
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That photo is excellent!
I get hungry and want to eat. Don´t mind i spent the weekend in Vienna, and probably dint need more calories for at last a month.
I am truly sorry if i affected your photos in a negative way. I will not ever rate a bad photo again at mp.
I will also begin talking for that sales does have to count as 1000 mp points for every photo. I agree that the system is annoying and its ridiculous that unexperienced people could have that power.
But i do still think, everybody should have a possibility to vote on the artistic vote, but no on the commercial.
That one should only bee open to buyers and photographers that actually have sold pictures there.
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Let's face it. If contributors truly knew what was saleable material, we'd all be rich. The only vote that matters is the buyer's when they press the "purchase" button.
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Dan, what's that dark mark on the plate at 11.00 o'clock from centre? Looks like sensor dust. Perhaps its something else but whatever it is I think the picture would be better without it. Nice picture btw. Your food stuff is getting better in leaps and bounds.
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Actually, that's not dust. I think it is bird poop, as I was photographing sea gulls on the beach prior. :-\
Thank you though Mr. Hat. Best of luck with the big IS.
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I don’t think that Windmill is calculating and malicious, he was just playing the game. Unfortunately at MP this is something you are encouraged to do. It’s the game that is the problem not the individual.
Thanks’ for giving your side of the story Windmill and I for one hope you continue to post here.