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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2008, 13:52 »
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I just checked alexa.com and compete.com for MP. Both sites do not have yet data for MP.
that means that traffic is still very low and that expecting sales (that is more than one sale a month) is premature.



« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2008, 13:57 »
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I just checked alexa.com and compete.com for MP. Both sites do not have yet data for MP.
that means that traffic is still very low and that expecting sales (that is more than one sale a month) is premature.



I think they've only just started pursuing international markets within the last 4-5 months. Prior to that is was Swedish based only I belive ...

Mark

« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2008, 19:43 »
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I've been there like 48 hours now... I will never ever give anyone a poor rating. If I can't say anything nice (10) I will not say anything at all.  I hope I never have to feel vindictive.  Ratings are just plain stupid.

STUPID. STUPID STUPID.

I've said it before, but here I go again.... The only people who should be able to rate anything are those who have actually paid for the item and tried to use it.

« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2008, 20:26 »
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While voting can be considered as good or bad feature - it mostly depends on the users how it is received. Just do not engage in childish behaviour - and all should be fine. Someone slams your pics with obviously biased ratings - just block him, problem solved. Do not get annoyed, do not engage in "revenge" ratings. The number of stupid people roaming around the site and giving everyone "1" or "10" is very small - why should this annoy you to a degree that you consider dumping the site ?


« Reply #29 on: March 30, 2008, 17:07 »
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your ability to "block" other users is limited. I was only able to block 1 spam-tard and then the feature is no longer available. And i agree with Hatman, i NEVER give a poor rating unless I'm forced to in retaliation to a barrage of 1's.

MP is progressing down the "Shutterpoint path" exactly as I predicted 3 months ago and shall continue as long as the rating/comment system is in place.

And another interesting thing is, EVERY "1"  rating that I've received was given by people in ONE country (i won't say which one because i don't want to start a war but it's pretty cold there most of the time  ;) )

« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2008, 17:43 »
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I think the stirrers would be in the minority anonymous. Let's all not be too precious.

Personally I have never given anyone a vote lower than 5. If the image is bad, I just will not vote. My average votes are 7.5.

BTW, congrats on your sales at MP, I have never had sale.

« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2008, 19:27 »
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Let's all not be too precious.


heh...I'm sure I'm losing something in translation :)

« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2008, 03:47 »
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I love the voting system.

Its fun when 15 year old photographers get a chance to judge others work.

Its fun when serious working photographers get rated by other photographers.

But i only wounder one thing? Why is not sales mentioned?

Sale is the ultimate vote!

Sales is the only feedback that makes a difference in the long run.

Thats both for the serviceprovider and artist.

I been long in photo but i am a newbee at Stock, i really appreciate that other "stockpros" and buyers contribute with feedback. Thats the only way to develop a commercial site and gain profit.

michealo

« Reply #33 on: April 02, 2008, 05:31 »
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I am sure you love the voting system Windmill you certainly loved slamming me with 3s and 1s

« Reply #34 on: April 02, 2008, 06:36 »
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I think the stirrers would be in the minority anonymous. Let's all not be too precious.

Personally I have never given anyone a vote lower than 5. If the image is bad, I just will not vote. My average votes are 7.5.

BTW, congrats on your sales at MP, I have never had sale.

me too, i haven't given less than 7 (and that only 3 times), if you can't something nice don't say anything at all.  I also haven't got the time to give lots of votes, just the stuff that grabs me.

Phil

« Reply #35 on: April 02, 2008, 07:39 »
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I love the voting system.

Its fun when 15 year old photographers get a chance to judge others work.



15 years old photographers are even more arrogant than usually.

« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2008, 08:39 »
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I love the voting system.

Its fun when 15 year old photographers get a chance to judge others work.



15 years old photographers are even more arrogant than usually.
if you're not old enough to drive, i don't want your opinion : )

michealo

« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2008, 08:59 »
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I don't think the age of a reviewer is as important as their objectivity ...

« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2008, 10:07 »
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I am so sorry to declare that my first comment was not 100% clear.

What i meant is that the only true vote i SALES!

The voting are just a fun and fast way for feedback. I don't mind getting 1-3 on pictures, if they are no good.

I do mind when 15 year old photographers, go round and put 1-5 on pictures that are technically correct.

Okay, not grounch, hip or in your style, thats OK, you maybe never would spend a dollar on that picture yourself. 

But please, if you are interested in art. You are acting wrong if you judge photos that are technically good, with 1-4.

If there i a 10 grade scale i use the whole scale.

I don't smash 1-3 around me nor do i give 9 - 10 very often either. If you are interested in what a 10 is for me take a look at Vikavalters portfolio!

Thats a masterclass! I have been long in photo, but i am a newbee at stock, i love too see more stock that also has that fantastic artistic feeling. 

Until today my votes are like this:

Given votes: Vote  %  Count 
1  3.35%  216 
2  4.15%  268 
3  6.88%  444 
4  11%  710 
5  14.56%  940 
6  18.05%  1165 
7  19.97%  1289 
8  13.21%  853 
9  6.03%  389 
10  2.82%  182 
Total  5.85  6456 


If i give someone
1-4: there is something that is technically wrong, its not sharp, its has bad light and composition.

If i give 4-5 i don't find obvious reason to put it as a rawmodel for nice stockphotos or photos.

If i give 6-8 i am pleased, it is what i think a relevant to very good stockphoto. Its technically very good, its well composed, has god lightning and will surely do well commercially.

If i give 9 or 10 i am amazed, it makes all the time I've spent on that site that day, worth the time. I would consider to buy the picture for my pleasure and make a enlargement of i at home or use it as an example of great photo when talking about art and photos with other.

I am glad that you all take your time and contribute to the fine arts and photo. I ll hope we all be rich in both experience and in some time even economically.

Have a lovely day! :D

michealo

« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2008, 10:32 »
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Taking the television tower in Berlin as an example, you don't have a property release attached and there is a very visible sensor spot in the top left corner.....

« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2008, 11:58 »
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I don't think the age of a reviewer is as important as their objectivity ...
that's fine if they're old enough to have "developed" objectivity, however, I've yet to meet a 15 year old with that level of maturity. MP now allows you to "block" as many spammers as you want. Anyone who delivered me "1's" on shots that have had nothing but 8's and 9's were "blocked" today and I was kind enough to deliver a couple of slams on their photos (kiss).

As it's been said by so many others before, if it's not good enough to give at least a 5, move on...

« Reply #41 on: April 02, 2008, 12:03 »
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Thank you for your very constructive approach, michealo. I didn't know that the TV tower was copyrighted and will change it to editorial only.

That one example is of course a shame, i will fix pronto ;). I can cope with that though, i still believe sales i the only true VOTE that you can get.

Maybe my photos are not "Stocky" enough? I can live with that too!

For me high ISO photos can deliver a feeling and mood.

OK, maybee stockphoto is not about that.

But people who are putting 1-3 on because they don't like the subject is a totally different story. Take Vikavalters portfolio as a better example, she is a 1.class stockphoto provider, and please tell me which one of her photos should get a 1-3 vote?

I want mostphotos to bee a living marketplace, with a different approach to the portfolio than the big 6. I really hope they will make enough money to stay in business. But i am worried, if they don't get a commercial edge to the funky business, they may well be out of business sooner than anyone realise.

Points are fun, but in the end, cash is king.

With love to all windmill

« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2008, 21:54 »
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Is there an easy way to see which images received low ratings?  I had some 1s and 3s and I'm really curious to know which they are. 

I looked for my worst ones but none of them got that.  :)

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2008, 05:33 »
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had the same from some people there,
without any well-considered comment,
just block them.
and they'll never bother you again.
 :D
« Last Edit: April 07, 2008, 05:36 by drop »

bittersweet

« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2008, 06:03 »
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Let's all not be too precious.


heh...I'm sure I'm losing something in translation :)

I'm pretty sure that's another way to say. "Get over yourselves."  ;D

« Reply #45 on: April 07, 2008, 09:01 »
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well I personally am too self centered to "get over myself"  ;)

DanP68

« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2008, 20:33 »
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Until today my votes are like this:

Given votes: Vote  %  Count 
1  3.35%  216 
2  4.15%  268 
3  6.88%  444 
4  11%  710 
5  14.56%  940 
6  18.05%  1165 
7  19.97%  1289 
8  13.21%  853 
9  6.03%  389 
10  2.82%  182 
Total  5.85  6456 


If i give someone
1-4: there is something that is technically wrong, its not sharp, its has bad light and composition.



This is beyond pathetic.  I just checked your iStock portfolio.  1 sale?  You've only had 1 sale at iStock in your whole 3 months online?  And yet you have rated 6456 images on MostPhotos?  And handed out nearly 1000 ratings of 3 or less?

Who are you to rate anybody?  It looks to me from your total lack of results that you don't know the first thing about stock.  You shouldn't be rating other people at all.  Bad light and composition?  You've taken like 5 pictures of a track, and 3 pictures of an elephant.  Who cares about your opinion?

But this is what MostPhotos is.  It is the playground of the uninformed and unqualified.  Exactly the reason I quit, because of morons like this.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2008, 20:36 by DanP68 »

« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2008, 00:53 »
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And exactly the reason that I won't upload there.

ETA:  I quoted the previous post too quickly, what I meant was that I don't upload there because of the disadvantage given by getting false bad ratings and certainly didn't mean any offence to the people that do upload there and enjoy the ratings.   I know that the owners of the site have said that it doesn't make a difference but evidence by other people shows that it does.   I don't plan on spending my time rating for the sake of it and I certainly don't want to get bad position in the search ratings because of a few bad members cheating the system.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 10:10 by fotografer »

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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2008, 01:49 »
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This is beyond pathetic.  I just checked your iStock portfolio.  1 sale?  You've only had 1 sale at iStock in your whole 3 months online?  And yet you have rated 6456 images on MostPhotos?  And handed out nearly 1000 ratings of 3 or less?

Who are you to rate anybody?  It looks to me from your total lack of results that you don't know the first thing about stock.  You shouldn't be rating other people at all.  Bad light and composition?  You've taken like 5 pictures of a track, and 3 pictures of an elephant.  Who cares about your opinion?

Now boys, play nice.

What's the point of being so ugly to people? You judge him by how many images he has on his iStock port? What if he's only been in stock for a few months but has been a professional photographer for a long time? What do you know about him, that you can hurl those kinds of insults?  Wow... that kind of hostility just baffles me.

Maybe i'm just a sickening disgusting throwback to the past, but I like the camaraderie and community of the stock photography people. MP is an especially good place to have that... because (for instance) on here, we don't go through each other's ports, get to know each other's styles, really learn about each other like we do on MP... so for what it's worth I like MP.  I have gotten to know a lot about the photographers that submit there and feel like I know then a lot better by their WORK, not by their WORDS. 

Although I must say the people that stand out most to me, on this forum, are the NICE ones, the ones that always have encouraging words to say, kind thoughts, helpful advice above and beyond any realistic expectations. So while MostPhotos gets it together and figures out how to catch their share of the elusive buyers, we can build the library and have fun while we're doing it... no need to be so hostile and quick to judge and snobby about it.

« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2008, 04:26 »
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It seems to me that MP has a bit of an identity problem, in that its not sure if it is a photo club or professional stock site. One thing it cant afford to do is to bleed good photographers. The rating problem needs addressing quickly, the buyers not us need to be kept happy. Is it too difficult to let those who want to participate in the ratings to be separated from those who dont?



 

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