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Agency Based Discussion => Mostphotos.com => Topic started by: luissantos84 on September 12, 2013, 09:57
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Yuri went exclusive on May 17th 2013 (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/yuri-arcurs-is-is-exclusive/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/yuri-arcurs-is-is-exclusive/))
latest uploads at MostPhotos on June 28th 2013
http://www.mostphotos.com/4526854/proud-of-his-biceps (http://www.mostphotos.com/4526854/proud-of-his-biceps)
over 80k pictures still online...
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Could it not have been images that were submitted before 17 may and were sitting in the review queue till being approved in June? Some agencies take 4 weeks to review.
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Sure he could, but don't you think that at this time he already planned to be exclusive on iStock?
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Mostphotos. Review queue? ;)
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Mostphotos. Review queue? ;)
yep, no review there ;D
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No review, no queue, instant online, maybe your friend Yuri is not honest, is it your aim? ;D
Or maybe he's thinking that Mostphoto is the future of microstock...after Istock and Getty, of course.
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Can we make a separate Yuri Section as well like we did for Symbiostock?
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Can we make a separate Yuri Section as well like we did for Symbiostock?
oh I am sorry Tom but if you think this isn't relevant stuff I wonder what is ;)
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
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What control do we have on what companies will do? We can talk but most likely nothing will change...
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
my exact feelings, that is why I opened this topic and I can guarantee you that I will open more ;D
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
my exact feelings, that is why I opened this topic and I can guarantee you that I will open more ;D
If you can't tell the difference between yourself and Yuri, then maybe you have a bigger ego than he does. Any of us that bring as much as he does to the table would get the same deal. Be positive, if you work hard you too can get special deals.
what are you talking about?
so Yuri told Getty: I am going to keep my portfolio at Dreamstime and Mostphotos ;D
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
I'd like a special secret deal, wouldn't you?
actually I would be embarrassed, at least do it properly, do you think that Yuri/Getty name is clean due to these facts? (its not, at least in the eyes of this community and for sure outside too)
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
I'd like a special secret deal, wouldn't you?
I wouldn't turn one down, but mostly I'd simply like a level playing field and an unbiased search engine. That goes for all the sites.
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
I'd like a special secret deal, wouldn't you?
I wouldn't turn one down, but mostly I'd simply like a level playing field and an unbiased search engine. That goes for all the sites.
Why shouldn't exclusive content get a biased search? It's good for the business to have unique content and the only way to get it is to promote it.
weren't they promoting thinkstock?
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Why shouldn't exclusive content get a biased search? It's good for the business to have unique content and the only way to get it is to promote it.
Oh yeah, I see your point. It's worked out great for Istock's business. ::)
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Just thinking - we could have NORAD build us a Yuri Tracker like they do for Santa...
http://www.noradsanta.org/ (http://www.noradsanta.org/)
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
I'd like a special secret deal, wouldn't you?
No, thank you. I like transparency and openness in business. It may not always be possible, but the more transparent, the better the business. At least this has been my experience.
The whole "secret handshake" private club mentality isn´t me.
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I´m not against being successful and negotiating your own contracts. But it is not something I would "aspire" to in business. I look for business partners who have the same goals like me.
Hard work, tolerance and discipline. Nothing secret or special in the end.
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
I'd like a special secret deal, wouldn't you?
No, thank you. I like transparency and openness in business. It may not always be possible, but the more transparent, the better the business. At least this has been my experience.
The whole "secret handshake" private club mentality isn´t me.
Is that what they're calling Stocksy these days. Just a joke, really. I was talking about aspiring to be good enough and being able to bring enough value that you are worth special deals. I don't see the outrage at Sean getting a special deal with depositphotos (wasn't it that one?), I know I'm not outraged. Good for him, we all deserve more.
its a completely different thing, that is common for a few years, FT did the same with former iStock exclusives and other, can´t say I "agree"
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I´m not against being successful and negotiating your own contracts. But it is not something I would "aspire" to in business. I look for business partners who have the same goals like me.
Hard work, tolerance and discipline. Nothing secret or special in the end.
Yuri did negotiate his own terms. I don't really see the point in being jealous about it, I think it shows that contributors still have some value and leverage in this business. Wanting him to have a contract with worse terms because you don't like special deals sounds petty to me.
its curious that you keep on defending what Yuri and Getty are doing like its fair for you and other contributors, I still remember you saying that a few of weeks can mean a few months, I wonder how many months you believe it is acceptable?
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
my exact feelings, that is why I opened this topic and I can guarantee you that I will open more ;D
If you can't tell the difference between yourself and Yuri, then maybe you have a bigger ego than he does. Any of us that bring as much as he does to the table would get the same deal. Be positive, if you work hard you too can get special deals.
Im ready to bet it would work for a group of people who altogether bring enough with their cumulative portfolios just with uniting them to a collection a negotiating terms united.
At least at smaller sites.
If Im not mistaken "Yuri" isn't one persons work so comparing him with any individual is not logic thing to do , its like comparing apple tree with an single apple.
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Why shouldn't exclusive content get a biased search? It's good for the business to have unique content and the only way to get it is to promote it.
Oh yeah, I see your point. It's worked out great for Istock's business. ::)
They have about 50% more revenue per year than Shutterstock, do you really think they would be in a better position without exclusivity?
Is that a response to me? If so I'm confused. I never mentioned Istock exclusivity. I responded to your post about "super secret deals" with a comment about the confusingly biased search results at a number of agencies. I didn't even mention Istock specifically in my initial post, although I can see why you would have thought of them immediately. Their search is legendarily bad.
I'm not sure if you really failed to understand my post, or have deliberately constructed a straw man to argue about, for your own reasons. ???
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So this is what we are supposed to "aspire to"? The "special" secret deal with Getty??
I'd like a special secret deal, wouldn't you?
I wouldn't turn one down, but mostly I'd simply like a level playing field and an unbiased search engine. That goes for all the sites.
Why shouldn't exclusive content get a biased search? It's good for the business to have unique content and the only way to get it is to promote it.
But it's bad for the reputation of a business when they claim and promote 'unique' content which is anything but.
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I´m not against being successful and negotiating your own contracts. But it is not something I would "aspire" to in business. I look for business partners who have the same goals like me.
Hard work, tolerance and discipline. Nothing secret or special in the end.
Yuri did negotiate his own terms. I don't really see the point in being jealous about it, I think it shows that contributors still have some value and leverage in this business. Wanting him to have a contract with worse terms because you don't like special deals sounds petty to me.
Where exactly did you see me write that I am jealous of Yuri? Or that I want him to have a contract with worse terms? I gave up my Getty House contract out of my own free will because I believe there is a better future for me by working with other teams. But I don´t hate Getty,even if I am stunned by how they have destroyed istock.
I simply don´t believe that it is necessary to run after people (or agencies). If you are good at what you do and keep an open mind you will meet the right people at the right time.
The industry has a lot more options than just "high prices on getty" and the luxury life of the Getty House artist and " pennies from the micros" for the unwashed masses.
There is a lot more out there.
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I´m not against being successful and negotiating your own contracts. But it is not something I would "aspire" to in business. I look for business partners who have the same goals like me.
Hard work, tolerance and discipline. Nothing secret or special in the end.
Yuri did negotiate his own terms. I don't really see the point in being jealous about it, I think it shows that contributors still have some value and leverage in this business. Wanting him to have a contract with worse terms because you don't like special deals sounds petty to me.
Where exactly did you see me write that I am jealous of Yuri? Or that I want him to have a contract with worse terms? I gave up my Getty House contract out of my own free will because I believe there is a better future for me by working with other teams. But I don´t hate Getty,even if I am stunned by how they have destroyed istock.
I simply don´t believe that it is necessary to run after people (or agencies). If you are good at what you do and keep an open mind you will meet the right people at the right time.
The industry has a lot more options than just "high prices on getty" and the luxury life of the Getty House artist and " pennies from the micros" for the unwashed masses.
There is a lot more out there.
So true.
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You talked about an unbiased search engine (and this is a Yuri exclusive thread), I thought exclusives getting better results than nonexclusive content would make it biased, is that incorrect? Usually when people are talking about the search being biased they mean exclusive vs. nonexclusive but I guess recently there has been some talk about Shutterstock and Fotolia penalizing higher level contributors. Sorry if that's what you meant.
You're right, the conversation had gotten so convoluted I forgot I was posting in the Yuri exclusive thread.
But no, my comment wasn't about Istock exclusive bias in the search. There was always an Istock exclusive bias and I didn't have a problem with it. If you go exclusive that's a reasonable thing to expect that the site will promote your work.
The Fotolia bias against successful contributors does burn me up no end, because it is both punitive and illogical. The biases I have a problem with in the Istock search has more to do with pushing wholly owned and/or much higher priced content and pushing back other images (both exclusive and non) that have demonstrated saleability. I have read exclusives making similar complaints.
I can't speak to the current state of the best match, but for years I've been reading buyers complain that all the content had jumped tenfold in price. That wasn't true, as we contributors know, but the search bias made it appear that it was.
I'll just renew my wish that the sites would return their search results to more of a meritocracy. (for all the good that wish will do me ;) )
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I'll just renew my wish that the sites would return their search results to more of a meritocracy. (for all the good that wish will do me ;) )
Wish in one hand and spit in the other. See which gets full first. ;D
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I think istock will be more concerned if he had violated their contract. I think yuri knows that if he had violated the contract, he can get sued.
So basically I think they had a deal n they don't need explain to the rest.
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I think istock will be more concerned if he had violated their contract. I think yuri knows that if he had violated the contract, he can get sued.
So basically I think they had a deal n they don't need explain to the rest.
a deal that includes DT and MP, I would have chosen SS ;D
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These last times in every thread speaking about Yuri Arcus I read a lot of bad comments and verbal attacks against him.
Well I agree that he does not seem a very clear person and that he apparently does not respect the rules other contributors have to respect.
But what changes all this gossiping?
I think that people like him (probably very arrogant and egocentric), and companies like iStock deserve some good lesson.
Unfortunately for most of us it is not easy to go by legal way, as it has costs that a single individual cannot support, and in most of the countries the possibility of a class action does not exist.
But who can (those from countries where exists the possibility of a class action) will you keep clattering or will you begin to make something serious about it?
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We should let professionals work with professionals and mind our own business. :-X
I mean that in the most humble nonegocentric way possible. :P
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I'm just playing of course... I'm sure there's a method to the madness. I actually watch these threads now because their entertaining.
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
It can't do his reputation with buyers any good when they pay a lot for an exclusive istock photo only to find it selling cheaper on other sites. I don't really understand why Yuri thinks it's a good idea or why Getty have let him do this for so long? I could understand if this went on for a few weeks but it's months now. Wont they get complaints from buyers or are they so used to ignoring them that they don't care anymore?
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
Funny how jealous is observed what Yuri does or does not. So you can spend a lot of time, you would better invest in photography.
It is totally irrelevant whether Yuri has pictures in Mostphots or not. In both cases, it would not matter for your personal success.
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
Funny how jealous is observed what Yuri does or does not. So you can spend a lot of time, you would better invest in photography.
It is totally irrelevant whether Yuri has pictures in Mostphots or not. In both cases, it would not matter for your personal success.
Not true.
I have not one photo which is competing against Yuri, but this does matter.
If buyers perceive iStock as being liars and charlatans, it could affect the success of all those who contribute there.
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
Funny how jealous is observed what Yuri does or does not. So you can spend a lot of time, you would better invest in photography.
It is totally irrelevant whether Yuri has pictures in Mostphots or not. In both cases, it would not matter for your personal success.
I think it's just a matter of principle…
You know these things as morals, respect for others, honesty…
I find that it is sad to live in a world where all is about money, power and success…
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
Funny how jealous is observed what Yuri does or does not. So you can spend a lot of time, you would better invest in photography.
It is totally irrelevant whether Yuri has pictures in Mostphots or not. In both cases, it would not matter for your personal success.
I think it's just a matter of principle…
You know these things as morals, respect for others, honesty…
I find that it is sad to live in a world where all is about money, power and success…
That too.
As Jonathan Klein said, "I think you change all perceptions in any world by education and by being honest, very candid, very open and very transparent."
Do what he says, not what his company does.
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Why should Yuri make all the details of its agreements with Getty publicly? Who knows, maybe it's completely okay, if he offers his image on MP. And, incidentally, MP is such a bizarre agency, I do not even know if you could call MP "agency" at all.
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Why should Yuri make all the details of its agreements with Getty publicly? Who knows, maybe it's completely okay, if he offers his image on MP. And, incidentally, MP is such a bizarre agency, I do not even know if you could call MP "agency" at all.
Perhaps you're missing the point that the label "Only On iStock" is not negotiable, nor consolable with him selling his content on other sites, including his own.
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I don't wanna take up the cudgels for Yuri. But I think it's strange how each of his steps is tracked and discussed in detail.
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Why should Yuri make all the details of its agreements with Getty publicly? Who knows, maybe it's completely okay, if he offers his image on MP. And, incidentally, MP is such a bizarre agency, I do not even know if you could call MP "agency" at all.
Perhaps you're missing the point that the label "Only On iStock" is not negotiable, nor consolable with him selling his content on other sites, including his own.
Lobo claims that "Only 'from' iStock", which is what the label says means something different (but declined to elaborate) to "Only 'on' iStock", but that must be in some different English-speaking Universe.
In any case, the label is going to be replaced by a button, where people can actually request 'exclusive' files and get a mixture of exclusive and faux-exclusive files to browse through.
"the Editors' Pick and Only from iStock labels will no longer appear on the thumbnails, instead they will become search filters that will allow customers to easily find that content."
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=356210&messageid=6936586 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=356210&messageid=6936586)
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I don't wanna take up the cudgels for Yuri. But I think it's strange how each of his steps is tracked and discussed in detail.
Because we're all analysing his definition of 'Professional'.
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
Funny how jealous is observed what Yuri does or does not. So you can spend a lot of time, you would better invest in photography.
It is totally irrelevant whether Yuri has pictures in Mostphots or not. In both cases, it would not matter for your personal success.
So why aren't you practising what you preach?
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I don't see why he should be allowed to soften the blow of turning exclusive at IS with keeping his portfolio up where is should not be. Live and let live, by I do find it very irritating....
Funny how jealous is observed what Yuri does or does not. So you can spend a lot of time, you would better invest in photography.
It is totally irrelevant whether Yuri has pictures in Mostphots or not. In both cases, it would not matter for your personal success.
does that mean you are successful?
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So why aren't you practising what you preach?
@Shady Sue: I don't preach anything.
does that mean you are successful?
And yes, I am successful. I have 3 wonderful children, I am a freelancer (not a photographer) and take pictures by the way. And my photos finance my hobby. I am happy - you too? ;)
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I don't wanna take up the cudgels for Yuri. But I think it's strange how each of his steps is tracked and discussed in detail.
It really shouldn't surprise you. I'm sure there would be the same interest if any of the other top non-exclusives went exclusive with istock but kept their portfolio on other sites. It doesn't help that Yuri came here and made a remark that appears to be quite insulting to non-exclusives. That was always going to stoke the fire. There's no shortage of discussions about Yuri here, many of them started by him. Istock must be the most discussed site. The combination of the two is going to get discussed a lot.
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I don't wanna take up the cudgels for Yuri. But I think it's strange how each of his steps is tracked and discussed in detail.
I don't think anyone would be discussing this deal if it was a deal that didn't impact anyone else. The fact is, this deal erodes the value of exclusive content and calls into question the very label of "Only from istock".
What do you think would happen if buyers became aware that the "Only from istock" label was a lie? That they were paying a premium for content that might not really be available only at istock? Do you really think that doesn't matter to other istock exclusives?
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Lobo claims that "Only 'from' iStock", which is what the label says means something different (but declined to elaborate) to "Only 'on' iStock", but that must be in some different English-speaking Universe.
In any case, the label is going to be replaced by a button, where people can actually request 'exclusive' files and get a mixture of exclusive and faux-exclusive files to browse through.
Except there's already an "exclusive" filter. I guess that's just another lie - "New 'Only from iStock' filter!!!".
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That's cute. Now their just playing with us! ::)
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Hey,
any of you that want a "special deal" with IS, start shooting photos of people floating 10 inches above their reflections!...done!
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Hey,
any of you that want a "special deal" with IS, start shooting photos of people floating 10 inches above their reflections!...done!
mushrooms? ;D
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I don't wanna take up the cudgels for Yuri. But I think it's strange how each of his steps is tracked and discussed in detail.
There are several reasons Yuri's actions are a topic of discussion. First of all, he is the top selling microstock artist. That's inevitably going to attract attention.
Secondly, he has joined up exclusively with Getty/Istock, who are not currently held in high regard by many, and gotten a deal others are unable to secure.
Thirdly, and IMHO most importantly, he is constantly promoting himself, and very publicly calling attention to his actions, including in these forums. I don't fault him for all the self-promotion. I think it's part of his business plan and it's worked.
But given all of the above, I find it "strange" that YOU find it "strange" that people are talking about him ???
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I don't wanna take up the cudgels for Yuri. But I think it's strange how each of his steps is tracked and discussed in detail.
It really shouldn't surprise you. I'm sure there would be the same interest if any of the other top non-exclusives went exclusive with istock but kept their portfolio on other sites. It doesn't help that Yuri came here and made a remark that appears to be quite insulting to non-exclusives. That was always going to stoke the fire. There's no shortage of discussions about Yuri here, many of them started by him. Istock must be the most discussed site. The combination of the two is going to get discussed a lot.
Great post. Wish I had read it before I said essentially the same thing :)