MicrostockGroup Sponsors


Author Topic: 123stock.co.uk  (Read 12833 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

« on: March 01, 2016, 08:30 »
+1
Hey guys, a new stock site's available and running a 100% free commission structure till the start of May 2016 so check it out. They're already receiving 1.5k hits a week and growing, worth a look.
123stock.co.uk


Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 08:33 »
+5
Why not say it is your site and make the offer?

« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 09:03 »
+3
Hi Chris Bennet.  Welcome!

Domain name:
123stock.co.uk

Registrant:
Chris Bennett

Registrant type:
Unknown

Registrant's address:
25 Christchurch Road
Southend-on-Sea
SS2 4JS
United Kingdom
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 09:23 by Sean Locke Photography »

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 09:22 »
0
Site looks reasonable. There's hardly anything on there, but I guess everyone needs to start somewhere. The 100% is generous, but you might want to consider taking at least something for marketing costs, or you'll have trouble building up a customer base.

The big thing for me though, and why I would never even consider uploading anything to your site, is that there is absolutely nothing about licensing. Can I just use the images in a blog, or can I get them printed on millions of t-shirts? Do I have complete ownership of the image once I pay my 3... so I can then upload it to my portfolio on other stock marketplaces?

I'm guessing not, but there's nothing on your site to tell me that. Although you (or the photographer in question) might come out the victor if it got that far, it would be a long and messy court case, that would make everyone involved really regret the lack of water-tight documentation in place... before you started selling.

I don't want to knock what you're doing... it's as good a start as any, and you might do well. But you're not the first person to think about setting up a stock marketplace, you won't be the last, and judging by the number of them that have failed, it's not quite as easy as it seems. Your post about "no more laying down guides and setting rules, its all been done before" is nice in theory, but people often need guides and rules to make sure their work is protected.   

« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 09:38 »
0
Couldn't find any contact details on the site -names, phone number, address, etc or an About Us section giving your background, business experience, why you are starting a new stock agency. Pricing to buyers? Found some images at 2 and 3 and designs at 5 but no schedule -and as stated above what rights do buyers get for that? Where's the terms and conditions for contributors? Exclusive/non exclusive? Editorial images accepted? Review process if any? What happens after May -what will your commission rate be?
Maybe some of these points are answered if people register first. Most contributors would want to know these sort of details before registering.
And finally, the name -destined to cause confusion with long established stock image agency 123RF surely?
All credit for starting a new business but long experience here tells me people want complete transparency and answers beore uploading work to a new site. Your first post didn't augur well for that by not declaring upfront that it is your own site.

« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 09:41 »
+2
I'm sure rf123 will have something to say

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 10:05 »
+1
Sean I think probably best to delete his address as it's just a guy trying to promote his site. He should have just said who he is, but that's probably where he lives rather than a business address.

« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 10:07 »
0
Hi Chris Bennet.  Welcome!

Domain name:
123stock.co.uk

Registrant:
Chris Bennett

Registrant type:
Unknown

Registrant's address:
Southend-on-Sea
SS2 4JS
United Kingdom
Looking on google street view, doesn't quite compare to Shutterstock headquarters :)
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 05:51 by sharpshot »

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2016, 10:44 »
0
come on now, play nice

« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2016, 11:00 »
+7
Hey guys, a new stock site's available and running a 100% free commission structure till the start of May 2016 so check it out. They're already receiving 1.5k hits a week and growing, worth a look.
123stock.co.uk

In addition to the comments you've already received  that starting out with dishonest "hey guys" lines about a site that's yours, what on earth is in your head to talk about a new stock site without talking about how you're planning to appeal to buyers?

Do you really think we're all idiots? You don't have to answer that question...

Not to mention that you charge GBP 3 for a full size image, so even at 100% royalty that's a totally crap deal for contributors. Help you promote a race to the bottom? No thanks.

Also, I looked to see what your license terms are - I couldn't find a link to them anywhere on the site. Anyone with any experience in this business would never upload to a site without reading the artist's supply agreement and the buyer's license terms. If you want anyone to take you seriously, go find a lawyer to help you put those together. Find someone to help you with a plan for how to attract buyers, fix your pricing and then perhaps come back and explain to contributors why we might want to support your site.

« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2016, 11:42 »
+4
I'm sure rf123 will have something to say

I sent 123rf a support ticket suggesting they might want to get the copycat site name changed.

Doesn't stop a bad site trying to start up, but they shouldn't ride on the coattails of an existing agency's traffic to do it.

« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2016, 05:40 »
+1
Hi guys, everything is registered to me as I own a company, but I have web designers heading the project.
This all came about as I wanted to sell my templates as I'm a graphic designer, not web designer, I was advised it would be a good idea to allow others to sell their creatives as well.
There's Terms and Conditions on the site once you sign up, login you have to agree to them when you submit an item and also when purchasing, but agreed I'll ask the team to create a page on the main nav.
Thanks for the help.
And posting my address is a low blow.

« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2016, 05:49 »
0
Hi guys, everything is registered to me as I own a company, but I have web designers heading the project.
This all came about as I wanted to sell my templates as I'm a graphic designer, not web designer, I was advised it would be a good idea to allow others to sell their creatives as well.
There's Terms and Conditions on the site once you sign up, login you have to agree to them when you submit an item and also when purchasing, but agreed I'll ask the team to create a page on the main nav.
Thanks for the help.
And posting my address is a low blow.
That might not of been good advice, just look at the long list of sites on the right of this page.  Most of them sell almost nothing and there seems to be new sites starting every week for over a decade.  I've lost count of how many new sites closed, must be hundreds by now.  Picking a name that's very similar to one of the established sites is likely to get you in to trouble.

New sites might have a chance if they are prepared to spend millions.  I hope one day someone will try a co-operative site, that could stand a chance, if it is discussed a lot here and with designers first.

« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2016, 06:05 »
0
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.

« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2016, 06:55 »
+2
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.

So why'd you come in with the "Hey, anyone hear about this site I know nothing about?" line?

There's already sites like that out there, btw.  You just need to look.  No need to re-invent the wheel.

« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2016, 07:13 »
+1
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.

« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2016, 07:42 »
0
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.
Well that is kind of what this is, I'm a graphic designer, the 3 people that created the site are web designers, just need a photographer to have input. I think it's a good idea, I just had a chat with Vlad from Russian on it, this is the main aim, people from creatives all over the world connecting. I know its been done before but hey ho.

Chichikov

« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 08:04 »
+1
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.
Well that is kind of what this is, I'm a graphic designer, the 3 people that created the site are web designers, just need a photographer to have input. I think it's a good idea, I just had a chat with Vlad from Russian on it, this is the main aim, people from creatives all over the world connecting. I know its been done before but hey ho.

Really, Vlad from Russia?
Vlad is not (very rarely) used as diminutive for Vladimir in Russian
The Russian diminutives for Vladimir are Vova, Volodya

Your story does not look so clear
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 08:07 by Chichikov »

« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2016, 08:15 »
0
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.
Well that is kind of what this is, I'm a graphic designer, the 3 people that created the site are web designers, just need a photographer to have input. I think it's a good idea, I just had a chat with Vlad from Russian on it, this is the main aim, people from creatives all over the world connecting. I know its been done before but hey ho.

Really, Vlad from Russia?
Vlad is not (very rarely) used as diminutive for Vladimir in Russian
The Russian diminutives for Vladimir are Vova, Volodya

Your story does not look so clear

Click on the picture of the Russian Fighter Plane you can see the comments.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2016, 09:32 »
+2
Hi guys, everything is registered to me as I own a company, but I have web designers heading the project.
This all came about as I wanted to sell my templates as I'm a graphic designer, not web designer, I was advised it would be a good idea to allow others to sell their creatives as well.
There's Terms and Conditions on the site once you sign up, login you have to agree to them when you submit an item and also when purchasing, but agreed I'll ask the team to create a page on the main nav.
Thanks for the help.
And posting my address is a low blow.

That's not so bad for a seller... they can always decide whether to submit stuff or not if they can see terms and conditions after registering, but prior to uploading. No good for buyers though... I went through the purchase process until the point I was asked for payment details, and there was no licensing info up until that point. If I was looking for stock images, then I wouldn't be too keen on only knowing what I can do with the image after I've paid for it. That could be putting buyers off, so it's worth getting that sorted as soon as you can.

« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2016, 09:46 »
0
Thanks for the input, I've messaged the team and they're cracking on with it now.
Many thanks!!

Chichikov

« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2016, 10:12 »
0
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.
Well that is kind of what this is, I'm a graphic designer, the 3 people that created the site are web designers, just need a photographer to have input. I think it's a good idea, I just had a chat with Vlad from Russian on it, this is the main aim, people from creatives all over the world connecting. I know its been done before but hey ho.

Really, Vlad from Russia?
Vlad is not (very rarely) used as diminutive for Vladimir in Russian
The Russian diminutives for Vladimir are Vova, Volodya

Your story does not look so clear

Click on the picture of the Russian Fighter Plane you can see the comments.

I see no Vlad there
And this looks like a 3D render, not a photo
I think that you are just a storyteller

« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2016, 10:28 »
+2
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.
Well that is kind of what this is, I'm a graphic designer, the 3 people that created the site are web designers, just need a photographer to have input. I think it's a good idea, I just had a chat with Vlad from Russian on it, this is the main aim, people from creatives all over the world connecting. I know its been done before but hey ho.

Really, Vlad from Russia?
Vlad is not (very rarely) used as diminutive for Vladimir in Russian
The Russian diminutives for Vladimir are Vova, Volodya

Your story does not look so clear

Click on the picture of the Russian Fighter Plane you can see the comments.

I see no Vlad there
And this looks like a 3D render, not a photo
I think that you are just a storyteller

Hardly worth making a story up about talking to someone! HAHA

« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 14:20 »
0
By Co-operative site do you mean a site that allows the users to have input, chat etc? That's kind of what mine's aiming for, people can add bios to their accounts, leave feed back and write reviews, I don't want it to be a strict selling site, more of a community for creative people, long way to go, but it's a start.
No, what I would like to see is a site majority owned by photographers, illustrators, videographers and designers.
Well that is kind of what this is, I'm a graphic designer, the 3 people that created the site are web designers, just need a photographer to have input. I think it's a good idea, I just had a chat with Vlad from Russian on it, this is the main aim, people from creatives all over the world connecting. I know its been done before but hey ho.
Still not what I meant, I would like to see thousands of people have an equal share in a site.  Then it can't be sold to Getty and we wont get our cut of image license sales reduced to a point where it no longer becomes worth uploading.  Until that happens, I will avoid almost all the new sites because it has all been done many times before and almost always isn't successful for contributors.

« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 14:58 »
+2
well after reading all of the site owners comments i just had my laugh for tonight. funny guy. i wouldn't upload not even a photo made with the badest mobile phone to them.

dpimborough

« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2016, 17:27 »
+2
I wonder where "Special Monkey" got all the photos from in the portfolio shown.

So many disparate locations and styles genres.

Is Chris "Special Monkey" Bennet really the owner of those images?

I did a quick click and drag on his facebook page and the images are clearly not his at all they are taken from free download sites.

Re-distributing other peoples work from your new stock photo site and listing it as your own is really a poor  way to start



The whole thing smells as bad as last fridays fish.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 17:34 by Teddy the Cat »

« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2016, 17:37 »
+3
I'm sure rf123 will have something to say

I sent 123rf a support ticket suggesting they might want to get the copycat site name changed.

Doesn't stop a bad site trying to start up, but they shouldn't ride on the coattails of an existing agency's traffic to do it.

I am not siding with anyone here but 123stock doesn't violate anything name wise..

123rf and 123stock are 2 different names..

123 are just a set of numbers.. nobody owns any rights to those numbers.. 123rf isn't the most unique name to begin with..

« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2016, 17:44 »
+1
I'm sure rf123 will have something to say

I sent 123rf a support ticket suggesting they might want to get the copycat site name changed.

Doesn't stop a bad site trying to start up, but they shouldn't ride on the coattails of an existing agency's traffic to do it.

I am not siding with anyone here but 123stock doesn't violate anything name wise..

123rf and 123stock are 2 different names..

123 are just a set of numbers.. nobody owns any rights to those numbers.. 123rf isn't the most unique name to begin with..
I very much doubt 123RF will see it that way and they probably have more money to spend on lawyers than 123stock.

« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2016, 18:08 »
0
When you talk to your designers, also tell them to improve the design so it doesn't look amateurish.
That title or logo "123 stock" with that embossed Photoshop effect from the 80's is just looking cheap, and the slogan font is way to thin, not very readable with that flower background.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Thanks for the input, I've messaged the team and they're cracking on with it now.
Many thanks!!

« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2016, 21:05 »
+1
I'm sure rf123 will have something to say

I sent 123rf a support ticket suggesting they might want to get the copycat site name changed.

Doesn't stop a bad site trying to start up, but they shouldn't ride on the coattails of an existing agency's traffic to do it.

I am not siding with anyone here but 123stock doesn't violate anything name wise..

123rf and 123stock are 2 different names..

123 are just a set of numbers.. nobody owns any rights to those numbers.. 123rf isn't the most unique name to begin with..
I very much doubt 123RF will see it that way and they probably have more money to spend on lawyers than 123stock.

They can hire as many lawyers as they can, but in my opinion, they don't have a case :)

« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2016, 21:43 »
+3
It doesn't matter.  This will fade away in a few weeks.

« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2016, 21:49 »
+2
That's true..

How did this thread even reach the 2nd page?.. too small for 123rf to care..
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 21:51 by cidepix »

« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2016, 03:53 »
+1
i wanted to continue my fun from last night and i made a visit to the so called site...as others said before the logo is a joke the watermark screams amateur and also mist of the photos seems to be made with a compact camera in the best scenario. Also the price is a joke, the name is really original. Surprised that i don't see a portfolio review before contributor can upload photos (joke). One original category i liked is Photoshop, an original category as the name sugests that has top quality photos. Science is also something i liked with 1 render made in god knows what free software. All in all a nice original and fresh start.

« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2016, 04:49 »
+3
And what amazing things have you done in your life, that gives you right to put others down? Share it with us, please.

« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2016, 05:14 »
+3
I agree..

But he could have avoided it, if he didn't "make fun" of everyone on this forum in the first place..

He basically insulted MSG's intelligence by pretending to be a random person talking about a random site..

You just don't behave as if "everyone around you are a bunch of clueless people.."

It's not a reason to put anyone down but it will happen because he was calling for it..

Without being rude, as a logo designer myself, the logo is as bad as it gets.. it is just some text with a basic photoshop filter.. it's not even a logo.. this should be taken seriously as positive criticism.. that is if you dont want to appear amateurish next time..

Plus that 2 dollar price tag and the lack of information is not going to attract anyone here.. people on this forum are microstock veterans.. they are not desperately waiting for you to start a new site.. nobody cares.. you have to be serious with a serious introduction to convince people..
« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 07:57 by cidepix »

« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2016, 11:43 »
+1
Amateurish at best. No legal info, a bad "logo" and an unoriginal name. It looks like a site being run by a 16-year old sitting in the attic of his parents' house.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2016, 18:53 by Noedelhap »

« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2016, 12:45 »
+1
Hi Chris Bennet.  Welcome!

Domain name:
123stock.co.uk

Registrant:
Chris Bennett

Registrant type:
Unknown

Registrant's address:
Southend-on-Sea
SS2 4JS
United Kingdom
Looking on google street view, doesn't quite compare to Shutterstock headquarters :)

We cannot all be stupid enough to buy into the Empire State Bldg (of all places, when big business is actually *leaving* NYC in droves). Also, what's wrong with Southend-on-Sea?

So what's your point? There are certainly other factors to look at when considering to join them, and I'll sure have a look at least.

« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2016, 14:19 »
+1
It was a joke, hence the smiley face at the end of the sentence.  Southend is great, worth going there just for the 1.34 mile long pier.

SpaceStockFootage

  • Space, Sci-Fi and Astronomy Related Stock Footage

« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2016, 16:57 »
+6
I don't see anything wrong with the name either. Look at any Yellow page and you'll see multiple businesses using 123 or ABC... a lot of them in the same industry. No big deal.

I also don't think the guy is trying to stitch anyone up... his heart seems to be in the right place, he's just very new to the industry, not really considered what goes into making a successful stock site, and has thought "Hey, I could do that!"

We've probably all considered it at some point.... "Yeah, I could do better than Shutterstock. If I had my own site I'd do this and I'd do that!". This guy has had the balls to go out and do it. Sure, he's made fatal errors that mean his site will never succeed as it is, and the design needs some work, and his portfolio is minuscule... but you can't blame him for trying.

« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2016, 19:03 »
0
New sites can cost us money.  If they get a few buyers, not many contributors will make enough money to get a payout.  Those buyers could use sites where we will get paid.  I would rather have 10 sites that paid than hundreds that don't.  If they have to resort to spamming forums to try and get some interest, they are doomed to failure.  It doesn't take balls to start a new site, it usually takes a lack of market research.


 

Sponsors

Mega Bundle of 5,900+ Professional Lightroom Presets

Microstock Poll Results

Sponsors