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Title: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Tror on March 21, 2016, 11:44
...from the email:

"The royalty rate

We’ve been learning what it takes to operate and grow an online marketplace. With expanding technology development, legal management and marketing efforts, we incur costs to showcase the marketplace and attract new buyers. While we want to give photographers the best possible royalty rate, and so launched with the 70% commission, we've learned that the reality of running a stock marketplace requires a different structure. We still believe it is important to reward the creators, which is why we will continue to give you an industry-leading royalty rate of 60% on images exclusive to 500px, while moving to a 30% rate for non-exclusive images."

Can somebody just lock that guy up?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: kalevitamm on March 21, 2016, 11:49
Unbelievable, it is very sad to loose such a nice and contributor friendly community.

BR,

Kalevi
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 21, 2016, 11:49
full text:



We’re writing to let you know about some changes that will affect the photographer royalty rate and the 500px Marketplace licensing tiers. We are honored that you have chosen 500px to represent your work, and that is why we are notifying you in advance of these changes.

We’ve learned a lot in our two years of running the 500px Marketplace. Since its launch in March 2014, the number of sales and clients have outperformed our projections. We want to grow this business even bigger, for your sake and ours, and we are investing in international expansion and improved technology to attract even more clients.

As we look toward doing that, we need to make some changes to ensure we will continue to be a healthy business that can deliver for our clients and for our contributors. We are changing the photographer royalty rate to ensure the sustained growth of 500px. We are also restructuring our licenses to increase market competitiveness and broaden our customer base. These changes will come into effect on April 4, 2016.

Why we’re making these changes

The pricing and licensing restructure

We’ve solicited a lot of feedback on what we need to do to meet our licensing clients’ needs and to be competitive in the market in order to grow licensing sales. We are adjusting our pricing and license structure in order to fit the market’s needs. This will also give our stock buyers more flexibility, facilitating a greater number of your photos sold.

The royalty rate

We’ve been learning what it takes to operate and grow an online marketplace. With expanding technology development, legal management and marketing efforts, we incur costs to showcase the marketplace and attract new buyers. While we want to give photographers the best possible royalty rate, and so launched with the 70% commission, we've learned that the reality of running a stock marketplace requires a different structure. We still believe it is important to reward the creators, which is why we will continue to give you an industry-leading royalty rate of 60% on images exclusive to 500px, while moving to a 30% rate for non-exclusive images.

What you need to know

We will be testing prices for the standard licenses of the Core and Prime collections to validate our price offerings starting on April 4. This will take place over a period of a few months. You may observe prices changing during this testing period.

We will be unbundling Multi-Seat and Unlimited Print license add-ons from the standard license that applies to both Core and Prime collections. Stock buyers who need these licenses will now pay an additional fee.

We have created a series of licenses add-ons, which includes Items for Resale and a new Extended Legal Warranty, available for an additional fee.

We are increasing the size of the Web Ready license from 1500 pixels to 1800 pixels on the longest side.

We are moving from one royalty rate for all content to a rate based on the exclusivity of your images. This will help us build a stronger collection to market to buyers.

Royalties are not paid to photographers on the Extended Legal Warranty, as 500px is taking sole responsibility for its associated risks.

All prices in USD
What you should do

Go to your Photo Manager and mark any exclusive photos to ensure the highest royalty rate available.

We recognize this is a lot of change, and that it may affect your decision to license your photos through 500px. You may not be happy about these changes, but please know that we weighed all of the options very carefully before making this decision. This will help us keep our community and marketplace growing and sustainable, and help us become more competitive in the licensing market. We consulted with some of you before making these changes to get your input, and if you would like to share your personal feedback, please reach out to our Customer Excellence team at help@500px.com.

Thank you for being a valuable member of the amazing 500px community. We look forward to our continued partnership as we grow the 500px licensing business with you.

Andy Yang
500px CEO

Kelly Thompson
500px Marketplace VP
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Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jjneff on March 21, 2016, 11:51
Please stop with the growing and sustainable crap!! others pay 50% and are doing just fine! It is money that makes me happy! Take a case lesson on what happened at iStock with these sustainable changes. Getty has nothing to fear from 500px! Sorry but I thought you learned from your mistakes. Don't submit there anyway, just frustrated to see bad business choices made.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 21, 2016, 11:57
Is Nuno still at 500px?

I thought there was a lot more that can be done to increase sales, than just slash photographers income?

Glad I made those exclusive images non exclusive.

No mention of how they will increase sales, how they will deal with a review time of months...

Not funny.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Karen on March 21, 2016, 12:01
"Money won't make you happy" © Kelly Thompson
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 21, 2016, 12:02
How long until they introduce a subs plan?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mantis on March 21, 2016, 12:05
To show my appreciation I am closing my account today.

Edit: My account is now closed!!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on March 21, 2016, 12:05
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: luissantos84 on March 21, 2016, 12:06
so glad I never spent a second there
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Monty-m-gue on March 21, 2016, 12:09
Is Nuno still at 500px?

delete
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on March 21, 2016, 12:09
We all knew this was coming as soon as they hired Kelly. It's Istock 3.0 and they're already starting to repeat the same proven methods of wringing contributors dry.

I'm so glad I've been focusing on selling direct and not wasting any more time on agencies.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jjneff on March 21, 2016, 12:09
LOL I like that one and probably correct!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: LDV81 on March 21, 2016, 12:27
They should have hired a dog or a broomstick instead for this position. In the long run they would be more successful than with this guy.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 21, 2016, 12:35
f.....ng h..ll   U^&%%^£*&^(()~@:)_(*&*(&%*

it was f.....ng inevitable, i am pulling my port, paid my renewal subscription last week, assh...es
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 21, 2016, 12:39
Well thank the lord I never paid to join this outfit.

Uploading there just ground to a halt.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 21, 2016, 12:46
http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/an-important-message-regarding-500px-marketplace/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/an-important-message-regarding-500px-marketplace/)

tyler can you merge both threads, thanks
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: 50% on March 21, 2016, 12:47
Is Nuno still at 500px?


No he is not there anymore I'm sure he was responsible for the fair and contributor friendly rate of 70%
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Bauman on March 21, 2016, 12:48
3rd April, i will close my account.

I hope that 3rd April will be the "Closing Account Day" on 500px.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 21, 2016, 12:51
Whaaaatttt? ... well that explains which "direction" they are heading. Cutting from 70% to 30% - I don't think anybody's done that before. They are first.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jefftakespics2 on March 21, 2016, 12:51
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."

Betting you are bang on.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: kalevitamm on March 21, 2016, 12:52
500px, usually you join to the discussions with your explanations, uuu… where are you?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 21, 2016, 12:54
57% pay cut
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: fotografer on March 21, 2016, 12:56
I was about to upload my port there.  I'm so glad that I hadn't already started!!!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Ariene on March 21, 2016, 13:04
I think I'll focus even more on Alamy (50% share) now ;)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jarih on March 21, 2016, 13:05
Crazy opportunity for social media war against 500px
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: 50% on March 21, 2016, 13:05
Btw I feel really stupid now that I have paid for awesome...
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: kkthompson on March 21, 2016, 13:10
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."

Sorry to disappoint, but no Getty deals on the horizon.

– Kelly
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 21, 2016, 13:12
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."

Sorry to disappoint, but no Getty deals on the horizon.

– Kelly

But the Getty/iStock arrogant attitude toward contributors is still there in that one little reply isn't it.  ::)


Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on March 21, 2016, 13:13
I think I'll focus even more on Alamy (50% share) now ;)

No agency is immune to cuts. I like Alamy but they cut commissions to open a New York office. They all do it.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: everest on March 21, 2016, 13:14
All my 300+ images removed

Thanks 500px you made the decision easy.............
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Ides on March 21, 2016, 13:15
To show my appreciation I am closing my account today.

First I will exclude 50% of my images that are unprotected by logotype. Then I will study the case of closing my account too. It's a joke, to say the least  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Nikovsk on March 21, 2016, 13:21
I was almost excited when I got my first sale a few weeks ago. Last time I tried these "new friendly markets" that barely sell anything. They set up the bait, then as soon as they have enough content they remove all incentives that brought us in the first place. Scammers just like PhotoArabia.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Ides on March 21, 2016, 13:21
I think I'll focus even more on Alamy (50% share) now ;)

We should give positive point for those who value our work, so I always praise the Alamy, which is growing every year.  ;) 8)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 21, 2016, 13:31
I've been recommending them as an interesting fair trade marketplace to many people.

I really didn't see this coming.

People are looking for a longterm home, reliable, friendly communication.

I just paid for the awesome plan expecting a 70% royalty.

I'll write to their support to see if I can get a refund. No reason to pay if all I get is 30%.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Deyan Georgiev on March 21, 2016, 13:43
Very disappointing :(
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 21, 2016, 13:45
I've deleted some files, but will upload others.

30% is a completly different world. I have content for that as well, but I'll have to keep in mind that anything I try to build at 500px can be destroyed suddenly without giving me time to prepare.

The loss of trust, the abrupt communication, that is a really serious problem.

I am looking for a friendly and reliable work environment.

Not the endless drama and surprises of the istock titanic phase.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: DC on March 21, 2016, 13:45
Btw I feel really stupid now that I have paid for awesome...

I have a Plus account and just yesterday I was thinking of upgrading to Awesome.  In fact, I wrote a list of things to do this week before I went to bed last night and on that list was 'upgrade to Awesome'.

Imagine my surprise when I got up this morning and had an email in my inbox basically giving me no choice but to cancel my Plus account.

For anyone else in a similar situation you can cancel your Plus/Awesome account.  According their website if it is within 30 days you get a full discount otherwise it can be cancelled at any time and they will pay you back a prorated amount.

I must admit to being shocked by this.  I'm not surprised by lowering our percentage, but I'm surprised they decided to burn it to the ground so fast and with just one decision.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Lana on March 21, 2016, 13:49
At least they didn't call it "exciting news" ;D

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 21, 2016, 13:51
"Since its launch in March 2014, the number of sales and clients have outperformed our projections"

I never can understand "we're wildly successful beyond our expectations" as a reason to cut royalties.  You'd think that would already be providing them with more money than they were planning for.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: DC on March 21, 2016, 13:54
Well, now I actually have something good I can say about them.  I got my refund just 1 hour after emailing support.

Now if only the support ticket I sent last week about pictures dating as far back as August not being reviewed would be answered.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2016, 13:59
Possibly worth making some noise in the 500px forum (https://500px.com/groups/marketplace/2779855/new-royalty-rates) and on Twitter. Whether or not it changes their minds, they should get a black eye publicly for being so cavalier about their relationship with their suppliers

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/711989519671627777

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/711988696254275584

Jasmin started the 500px thread. My reply to her request for thoughts was:

"Very few printable thoughts :)

I will stop uploading here for the moment (everything I uploaded was tagged for the Marketplace; that was my reason for joining).

I find the huge cut in royalty rate unconscionable and the explanation threadbare. I am less concerned about the price changes, although I think they'd do better to make a bigger difference between *pricing* on exclusive/non-exclusive content.

As far as financing expansion out of royalty cuts, that's a pseudo explanation that dissolves on contact. When there aren't very many sales and you need funds to build the business, you don't generate funds for expansion through a bigger slice of the still-small pie.

The fact that I've heard just about all these tales before without them coming true at any agency, ever, makes it hard to imagine how 500px Marketplace will be the first to make it happen. There are agencies that have grown and become successful, but they haven't done it by picking the pockets of their suppliers.

I could have understood a message about pricing changes to build the business in the current market. But why would anyone continue to contribute content to an agency that takes months to review images, has few sales and has so little respect for its contributors that it delivers this massive royalty cut message with no meaningful details on what 500px Marketplace is prepared to do for us. It's all about what we can do for them...."
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on March 21, 2016, 14:00
Yeah that ends it.   The "what you need to know" section could have been condensed to just "30%". 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Ides on March 21, 2016, 14:02
3rd April, i will close my account.

I hope that 3rd April will be the "Closing Account Day" on 500px.

I just exclude 50% of my best images that I had put with no watermark protection. I was risking selling images without watermark, thinking on 70%. Now I'll probably delete the other 50% and maybe start putting images that are rejected by other macro and microstock. After the changes, I will think whether it is worth spending time with 500px.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 21, 2016, 14:12
>:(

OK ... Alamy, u ready for big migration to your shores?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: MichaelJayFoto on March 21, 2016, 14:17
Sorry to disappoint, but no Getty deals on the horizon.

The horizon isn't the line between two rows in a spreadsheet.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on March 21, 2016, 14:28
I can actually accept that the original 500px plan wasn't working, and investors came in and wanted a new plan.  What I don't get is how this announcement could be part of a coherent plan.   

Maybe if they'd combined it with announcements of a new marketing direction, automatic downsizing/watermarking of displayed images, hiring of a reviewing staff, a streamlined uploading process, and answers to a number of obvious questions we've been asking about where 500px is going and how it will work, it might have made some sense.   

Instead, we see millions in venture capital come in, new management, months of silence and then a drum roll and: "our new plan is that you get a lot less".

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: noodle on March 21, 2016, 14:35
talk about bad news coming out from left field
totally disappointed, and flabergasted with this news

going right now to delete my port - c ya 500px, hopefully enough self-respecting artists will take some kind of action and speak out LOUD and CLEAR
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2016, 14:41
Is Nuno still at 500px?


No he is not there anymore I'm sure he was responsible for the fair and contributor friendly rate of 70%

His LinkedIn page says he's back at Stocksy; left 500px in January

https://www.linkedin.com/in/silvanuno (https://www.linkedin.com/in/silvanuno)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Lizard on March 21, 2016, 14:43
To: marketplace@500px.com


Regarding your latest changes...

I recently renewed my account and this change is highly influencing the reasons I decided to renew it.

So can you please refund my payment and put me on basic free account or point me out where to request that.

If you want to close my account thats ok also but I would like my sales earnings to be fully payed before that.

Thanks in advance.


 ;)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mikeme on March 21, 2016, 14:44
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."

Sorry to disappoint, but no Getty deals on the horizon.

– Kelly

But you sure know how to screw contributors dont you!
Anyway I've closed my account on 500px and hope that many will follow: https://500px.com/settings   (the delete my account forever is down on right)
All the best with your new venture ;)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: everest on March 21, 2016, 14:57
Account closed. Cannot stand this kind of garbage anymore.......
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: klublu on March 21, 2016, 15:17
Marketplace and account closed!!
5600 less images in 500px  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Anyway, I´m not sad, this place is only smoke, I've never had a single sale there with such portfolio...
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: roede-orm on March 21, 2016, 15:53
Quote
...from the email:
"We still believe it is important to reward the creators, which is why we will continue to give you an industry-leading royalty rate of 60% on images exclusive to 500px..."

This is simply not true. As an example, Zoonar paid 60% for non-exclusive material!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Digital66 on March 21, 2016, 16:01
Quote
"We still believe it is important to reward the creators..."

What a cheek!   Did KT write that?

When will all these "agencies" understand  they are not doing us any favor when they pay us our part of the money of each image sold?    It's OUR WORK, OUR IMAGES, OUR MONEY!     
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Fudio on March 21, 2016, 16:13
I try to avoid commenting on any agency here, but it seems to me if there were one outfit which really couldn't afford to pull this kind of stunt it would be 500px. A 40% cut in one fell swoop? Either it's a massively idiotic blunder or an orchestrated effort to cull the herd. Unfortunately it's their show and they can do whatever they want with it - just not with my stuff anymore. I've decided to join the cull. Deleted everything, closed my account and didn't even bother to read their "goodbye" email.

I'm confident I won't be missed too much, but if the groundswell continues who knows - maybe the message will get across. There's only so far you can push before everyone pushes back. Time will tell, meanwhile though I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 21, 2016, 16:17
40 percentage points
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 21, 2016, 16:25
Hey everyone! My name's Alex, I work at 500px. I'm here to answer any questions you've got. I'll start with a few of the common ones I saw in this thread.

How can we afford to switch from 70% to 30% so quickly?
It definitely takes a cut out of our profits, to give the photographers 70%! There's no denying that. But we think it's better to tighten our margins and attract world class photographers. We'll make up the difference in volume, because we have the best photographers in the world selling their work.



oh the irony
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Dakota on March 21, 2016, 16:36
"Money won't make you happy" © Kelly Thompson

I'm amazed anyone would employ this disaster case.

Time to pull all our ports. Not going to be squeezed anymore. Disgusting corporate greed.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Anyka on March 21, 2016, 16:39
Anyway I've closed my account on 500px and hope that many will follow: https://500px.com/settings   (the delete my account forever is down on right)
All the best with your new venture ;)

Thanks, you save me the time to find out how to delete my account.  Just did it.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2016, 16:40
I sent a note to PetaPixel about this anouncement and they put together a story

http://petapixel.com/2016/03/21/500px-cuts-royalty-rate-70-30-non-exclusive-photos/ (http://petapixel.com/2016/03/21/500px-cuts-royalty-rate-70-30-non-exclusive-photos/)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Pixart on March 21, 2016, 16:45
So, let me get this straight.  They charge you an annual fee to enter into an agreement to sell your photos at a specified royalty - and then they decide they aren't going to pay what they agreed to?  Are you kidding me?

You guys aren't going to sue them for breach of contract or whatever pretty words?  Wasn't the letter from Mr. Money Doesn't Make Us Happy signed on Duncan St in Toronto unless I have another post confused with this one (not going back to check).  Ontario observes contract law.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2016, 16:52
...They charge you an annual fee to enter into an agreement to sell your photos at a specified royalty - and then they decide they aren't going to pay what they agreed to? ...

Not quite how it works. You can sell via Marketplace from a free account - there's no connection between the upgraded accounts and ability to sell or the terms under which sales are made. They offer some benefits if you pay them fees (I got my Awesome account for free for a time because I participated in their watermark survey). Even before this announcement, I'm not sure if I'd have paid when the time is up.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 21, 2016, 17:13
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."

i never went in originally because one look at the site with all those "love your portfolio,
please come and see mine"; "great shot, have a look at my photos",etc..
and those thumbs up or whatyamightcallit a la fb , flickr,etc...
i left immediately as i take it that 500px does not know whether it wants to be a social-media
or a stock agency.

i am not familiar with kelly, but i take it the name is as popular/unpopular as bruce selling istock to getty,etc.
with such an amazing PR of either personality, one wonders why any agency would like kelly or bruce name attached to it. as they say,
you can take the leopard out of the jungle but you cannot remove its spot...
or something like that.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mantis on March 21, 2016, 17:39
Just sent them a note to NOT keep my account open for "a little while" in case I change my mind.  I went to my account settings and hit "delete account" and I'm done with KT and his contributor-unfriendly ways. I hope they go out of business.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Fudio on March 21, 2016, 17:43
Hey everyone! My name's Alex, I work at 500px. I'm here to answer any questions you've got. I'll start with a few of the common ones I saw in this thread.

How can we afford to switch from 70% to 30% so quickly?
It definitely takes a cut out of our profits, to give the photographers 70%! There's no denying that. But we think it's better to tighten our margins and attract world class photographers. We'll make up the difference in volume, because we have the best photographers in the world selling their work.

Hello Alex! My name’s Fudio, I’m self employed as a photographer. If you still happen to be with 500px then I’m here to answer any questions you might have about the blowback you are receiving with your recently announced royalty cuts.

How can I afford to switch from 70% to 30% so quickly?
Well frankly Alex, I can’t. It definitely takes a cut out of my livelihood, to give your agency 70%! There’s no denying that. So I think it’s better that you tighten your corporate belt and allow me to continue feeding my children, heating my home, lighting my studio, making my insurance payments, paying my taxes, purchasing props, paying models, upgrading my equipment and software in order that my images can help you attract world class buyers. You  can make up the difference with innovative marketing, customer service, and good old fashioned hard work.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Ides on March 21, 2016, 17:46
I try to avoid commenting on any agency here, but it seems to me if there were one outfit which really couldn't afford to pull this kind of stunt it would be 500px. A 40% cut in one fell swoop? Either it's a massively idiotic blunder or an orchestrated effort to cull the herd. Unfortunately it's their show and they can do whatever they want with it - just not with my stuff anymore. I've decided to join the cull. Deleted everything, closed my account and didn't even bother to read their "goodbye" email.

I'm confident I won't be missed too much, but if the groundswell continues who knows - maybe the message will get across. There's only so far you can push before everyone pushes back. Time will tell, meanwhile though I'm not holding my breath.



Wow :o, incredible images (www.savourns.com (http://www.savourns.com)), you will be one of several that will be missed in 500px, congratulations for the beautiful images ;D 8)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2016, 17:48
...i am not familiar with kelly...


There are many minor quibbles, but the big mess was from September 2010. Here's the MSG thread which has a link to the iStock forum announcement

http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/istock-changing-royalty-structure/ (http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/istock-changing-royalty-structure/)

To save you reading through to page 28, here's the link to the 2nd announcement, the one with the classic "But money isn’t going to be what makes you all happy."

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=253522&page=1 (http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=253522&page=1)

KK Thompson at his tone deaf best
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 21, 2016, 18:13
I hope they go out of business.

They will, eventually. Or they'll turn into Flickr and try to cash in on advertising although... there is already a Flickr.  It was feeling weird for a while now. Change of management direction may save them in the future, but right now looks like all they are doing is destroying their formerly very loyal artist base.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Lana on March 21, 2016, 18:13
Hey everyone! My name's Alex, I work at 500px. I'm here to answer any questions you've got. I'll start with a few of the common ones I saw in this thread.

How can we afford to switch from 70% to 30% so quickly?
It definitely takes a cut out of our profits, to give the photographers 70%! There's no denying that. But we think it's better to tighten our margins and attract world class photographers. We'll make up the difference in volume, because we have the best photographers in the world selling their work.

Hello Alex! My name’s Fudio, I’m self employed as a photographer. If you still happen to be with 500px then I’m here to answer any questions you might have about the blowback you are receiving with your recently announced royalty cuts.

How can I afford to switch from 70% to 30% so quickly?
Well frankly Alex, I can’t. It definitely takes a cut out of my livelihood, to give your agency 70%! There’s no denying that. So I think it’s better that you tighten your corporate belt and allow me to continue feeding my children, heating my home, lighting my studio, making my insurance payments, paying my taxes, purchasing props, paying models, upgrading my equipment and software in order that my images can help you attract world class buyers. You  can make up the difference with innovative marketing, customer service, and good old fashioned hard work.

That's a good one!!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 21, 2016, 18:48
I hope they go out of business.

They will, eventually. Or they'll turn into Flickr and try to cash in on advertising although... there is already a Flickr.  It was feeling weird for a while now. Change of management direction may save them in the future, but right now looks like all they are doing is destroying their formerly very loyal artist base.

they were like flickr already, as i mentioned my reason for not joining them in the first place.
the things is, to many ppl out there  globally, there is an appeal to fb, flickr,... social media
and yes, they make money on other ppl's stuff...
and they do become millionaires without having to pay a penny for your photos etc

i suppose the only way to make money these days is in fact having your own blog.
and using ads from google,etc which pays you money if you add their ads in your blog.
already there are lots of ppl who quit work and have made alot of money writing their own blog.
the news BBC or CBC ... in UK and Canada, did a coverage on that recently, i think it was on yahoo world
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Fudio on March 21, 2016, 18:53

Wow :o, incredible images (www.savourns.com (http://www.savourns.com)), you will be one of several that will be missed in 500px, congratulations for the beautiful images ;D 8)
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idesign, thank you very much for the compliment, but I mean it. I know I won't be missed there. 500px is so full of so many ultra talented awe inspiring photographers that I find myself watching the chromecast 500px feed on a daily basis now. That's part of the reason I'm especially ticked by this move from them. Apart from the mutual adoration system they have which I never really got into either, I did like what the site was doing both in terms of image quality in general as well as contributor equity. It just seems like such a heavy handed bait and switch now.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 21, 2016, 19:00

It definitely takes a cut out of our profits, to give the photographers 70%! There's no denying that. But we think it's better to tighten our margins and attract world class photographers. We'll make up the difference in volume, because we have the best photographers in the world selling their work.

did i read it wrong or did they mention world-class photographers will go with that???
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Hongover on March 21, 2016, 19:01
Let's take a different perspective on this.

They've gone through 7 rounds of financing and they've pretty much gave the majority of the company away to investors. In 2014, the founder & CEO of the company was ousted because he was basically being too nice to the community instead of making money off of them.

With pressure from the board, the new CEO needed to start making money or else. Oh, let's not forget that investors in Silicon Valley are incredibly nervous right now and has been pressing their investments toward a path of profitability. And any chance of 500PX getting more funding was pretty slim in this funding environment.

And all the the pressure and nervousness has led to this. Investors want higher revenue so it can possibility go public one day or secure a nice exit in the future. Higher revenue always means higher valuation. 70% was always too good to be true. It was not sustainable for 500PX and it can never be. Now the party is over and they're like everyone else.

So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: ShadySue on March 21, 2016, 19:21
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.
Once is unfortunate; twice is a pattern forming.
Honourable people would resign rather than announce this sort of 'deal'; or, if that was impossible, immediately afterwards.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: noodle on March 21, 2016, 19:24

It definitely takes a cut out of our profits, to give the photographers 70%! There's no denying that. But we think it's better to tighten our margins and attract world class photographers. We'll make up the difference in volume, because we have the best photographers in the world selling their work.

did i read it wrong or did they mention world-class photographers will go with that???

Yes this is what world class photographers want - crappy commissions
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Hongover on March 21, 2016, 19:29
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.
Once is unfortunate; twice is a pattern forming.
Honourable people would resign rather than announce this sort of 'deal'; or, if that was impossible, immediately afterwards.

Trust me when I say this. It's the 500PX board/investors who pressure the company into this decision. They used the 70% to lure in photographers. They look what the competition is doing, and see what they can get away with and they copy. This plan was probably 6 months to a year in the making.

He will never give up his secure 6-figure job for "honor"...no sane person would. He's what he will do in the future. He's going to tell you in a flower and rainbow email that 500PX will cut prices to attract more customers, which will lead to contributors getting less per sale.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: ShadySue on March 21, 2016, 19:46
He will never give up his secure 6-figure job for "honor"...no sane person would.
Of course many would.
He above all people should, because 'money isn't what makes him happy'.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: anathaya on March 21, 2016, 20:11
No watermarks and pays 30%  >:(

I'm going to delete my profile too... I didn't upload many, but too bad I wasted some time on this without any return.

Edit: Deleted all my photos. So, I don't have to worry about them anymore.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 21, 2016, 20:48

It definitely takes a cut out of our profits, to give the photographers 70%! There's no denying that. But we think it's better to tighten our margins and attract world class photographers. We'll make up the difference in volume, because we have the best photographers in the world selling their work.

did i read it wrong or did they mention world-class photographers will go with that???

Yes this is what world class photographers want - crappy commissions

LOL,  i guess there will be enough gullible photographers who will believe them when they say
"
your photograph will be published all over the world, ...
so that makes you a World-class photographer"

woopy dink!!!... but that only makes you a 2nd best World-class photographer,
since the ones who give them photographers away for free
... like those on flickr, fbok,etc.. are the real World-class photographers
since more of their photos are used all over the world...

and the only thing that is found more than your world-class photographs
 around the world is ....................garbage  8)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mantis on March 21, 2016, 20:56
Let's take a different perspective on this.

They've gone through 7 rounds of financing and they've pretty much gave the majority of the company away to investors. In 2014, the founder & CEO of the company was ousted because he was basically being too nice to the community instead of making money off of them.

With pressure from the board, the new CEO needed to start making money or else. Oh, let's not forget that investors in Silicon Valley are incredibly nervous right now and has been pressing their investments toward a path of profitability. And any chance of 500PX getting more funding was pretty slim in this funding environment.

And all the the pressure and nervousness has led to this. Investors want higher revenue so it can possibility go public one day or secure a nice exit in the future. Higher revenue always means higher valuation. 70% was always too good to be true. It was not sustainable for 500PX and it can never be. Now the party is over and they're like everyone else.

So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

Untrue. I suggest you read a little about his history. This is his M.O.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: PaulieWalnuts on March 21, 2016, 21:12
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

He's a messenger that usually doesn't deliver good news. Kind of like the people that deliver eviction notices. 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Hongover on March 21, 2016, 21:25
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

He's a messenger that usually doesn't deliver good news. Kind of like the people that deliver eviction notices.

Well, that's usually the messenger's job. And they get shot for it sometimes. He's a little more than a puppet in this whole debacle.

I'm reporting what I'm seeing across Silicon Valley. Startups and post-startup companies are making some tough decision. There have been a lot of layoffs, cutbacks, pivots and an aggressive push for more revenue. Our company has made some cuts as well. With the nearly impossible funding environment, these companies are pushing for 'sustainability'. That's the buzzword these days. The other option is laying off people and 500PX would rather screw the contributors than their employees.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: kjorgen on March 21, 2016, 21:40
"We still believe it is important to reward the creators, which is why we will continue to give you an industry-leading royalty rate of 60% on images exclusive to 500px, while moving to a 30% rate for non-exclusive images."

I am sure I see only Standard licenses at 60%. All the Extended license Add-ons give 40%.

And again all this crap about "rewarding" the creators - Without the creators, there would be nothing to sell!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 21, 2016, 21:41
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

He's a messenger that usually doesn't deliver good news. Kind of like the people that deliver eviction notices.

Well, that's usually the messenger's job. And they get shot for it sometimes. He's a little more than a puppet in this whole debacle.

I'm reporting what I'm seeing across Silicon Valley. Startups and post-startup companies are making some tough decision. There have been a lot of layoffs, cutbacks, pivots and an aggressive push for more revenue. Our company has made some cuts as well. With the nearly impossible funding environment, these companies are pushing for 'sustainability'. That's the buzzword these days. The other option is laying off people and 500PX would rather screw the contributors than their employees.

The could also manage the company better to be 'sustainable'. Why not move to cheaper offices (they are downtown Toronto) or why not save money and resources on NOT re-designing a perfectly good recognizable logo. Of course, cutting commissions is much easier if you're only trying to increase profits in the short term. In the long term, they took something good and f***ed up, just like with Istock. But nobody cares about long term anymore. The formula is: Take a good company, f*** it up, make a quick buck, get out, buy a mansion, repeat.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on March 21, 2016, 21:43
I'm just left wondering where it's all supposed to lead.  And why more investment would have come into 500px last year, if it was already doomed.  Just cutting commissions again and again - well, it's been tried.  It only works AFTER you have 50 million stock images in your archives, and a big customer base.   For 500px, this huge commission cut will just cost them the content and contributors that I would think they'd need, to build the business.  Where do they go from here?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: trek on March 21, 2016, 21:50
Getty has nothing to fear from 500px!

Did you ever think Getty has something to fear from 500px? It is partly funded by Visual China Group which has a long standing partnership with Getty Images that was just deepened by the Corbis deal.

Now a former Getty manager is hired by 500px to head the market.

Can't you guess already what the next exciting news will be? Let me write it for you:

"We are excited to announce a partnership with Getty Images that will allow more customers to see and buy your content. Of course you will still receive your usual 30% of the 20% Getty pays us. But you know what? We might drop the weekly upload limit, so you can give us your images faster than ever."

Sorry to disappoint, but no Getty deals on the horizon.

– Kelly

I'd like to welcome Mr. Thompson to this forum... 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Hongover on March 21, 2016, 22:03
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

He's a messenger that usually doesn't deliver good news. Kind of like the people that deliver eviction notices.

Well, that's usually the messenger's job. And they get shot for it sometimes. He's a little more than a puppet in this whole debacle.

I'm reporting what I'm seeing across Silicon Valley. Startups and post-startup companies are making some tough decision. There have been a lot of layoffs, cutbacks, pivots and an aggressive push for more revenue. Our company has made some cuts as well. With the nearly impossible funding environment, these companies are pushing for 'sustainability'. That's the buzzword these days. The other option is laying off people and 500PX would rather screw the contributors than their employees.

The could also manage the company better to be 'sustainable'. Why not move to cheaper offices (they are downtown Toronto) or why not save money and resources on NOT re-designing a perfectly good recognizable logo. Of course, cutting commissions is much easier if you're only trying to increase profits in the short term. In the long term, they took something good and f***ed up, just like with Istock. But nobody cares about long term anymore. The formula is: Take a good company, f*** it up, make a quick buck, get out, buy a mansion, repeat.

It's slightly more complicated than that. Pretend you're a 40 year old investor and you put $10 million into 500PX. There are 2 ways of getting your money back. The company goes public or the company exits (getting sold to a bigger company). If neither happens, your $10 million is stuck in this company. You can turn 50 years old and the money can still be tied up...so what do you do?

If you have the majority of the company, or if your vision is in line with other investors of the company, you/they can do a few things. You can 'nudge' the CEO to increase revenue and pursue buyers and if he doesn't, you can replace him with a puppet. 500PX could be gearing up to compete against the likes of Getty & Shuttershock...or they can seek one of them as a buyer...most likely Shutterstock since Getty is broke. Or they're getting on a fast track to IPO so the investors can cash out before they turn 50 years old.

Some people try to build a good company if they own the majority of the company. If the company is majority owned by investors, they're more interested in cashing out. They don't care as long as get their investment back 3-fold...or preferably 20-fold.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 21, 2016, 22:19
...I'm reporting what I'm seeing across Silicon Valley. Startups and post-startup companies are making some tough decision. There have been a lot of layoffs, cutbacks, pivots and an aggressive push for more revenue...

The difference here is that the people getting scr*wed can (even if they typically don't) empty out the store overnight, leaving the business shuttered.

You might think that enlightened self interest would at least consider that cultivating contributors rather than viewing them as a cost to be minimized might be a strategy for a newcomer to get a foot in the door as they try to get the business going.

And I can and do blame messengers who can't even be honest and straightforward about what they're doing. More than the actions (which are bad enough) it's the utter lack of respect that the stinking pile of corporate-speak represents that destroys any empathy I might otherwise feel. It's just business? That's not an excuse in my book.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: AlessandraRC on March 21, 2016, 22:32
...I'm reporting what I'm seeing across Silicon Valley. Startups and post-startup companies are making some tough decision. There have been a lot of layoffs, cutbacks, pivots and an aggressive push for more revenue...

The difference here is that the people getting scr*wed can (even if they typically don't) empty out the store overnight, leaving the business shuttered.

You might think that enlightened self interest would at least consider that cultivating contributors rather than viewing them as a cost to be minimized might be a strategy for a newcomer to get a foot in the door as they try to get the business going.

And I can and do blame messengers who can't even be honest and straightforward about what they're doing. More than the actions (which are bad enough) it's the utter lack of respect that the stinking pile of corporate-speak represents that destroys any empathy I might otherwise feel. It's just business? That's not an excuse in my book.

I would be willing to do that if it helps anybody else. To me it makes no difference. There are no sales for me there.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: EmberMike on March 21, 2016, 23:03
Quote
... We still believe it is important to reward the creators, which is why we will continue to give you an industry-leading royalty rate of 60% on images exclusive to 500px, while moving to a 30% rate for non-exclusive images...

How do they release this garbage without even fact-checking it? "Industry-leading," yeah right.

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: PixelBytes on March 22, 2016, 00:18
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

He's a messenger that usually doesn't deliver good news. Kind of like the people that deliver eviction notices.

Yeah.  Great reputation this guy has earned.   Any stock company wanting a sociopath hatchet man to  try polish some turd of an announcement,  Kelly Thompson's the man for the job.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 22, 2016, 00:33
Next week another new agency will make empty promises on a new site with weak backing and software and all the people here will go upload everything they have to get into the new place. Then when the new place has all kinds of favorable comments from the suckers, they will make cuts and changes, because they have the collection they need from the desperate suckers, to keep going when the good people leave.

You have seen this happen over and over and keep helping these people open and take advantage and cut prices, putting the good part of the market in the trash.

Stop helping these new places take advantage of us!

The lack of watermark should have convinced us from the start. I never joined. I'm happy to say "I told you so!"
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 22, 2016, 01:31
Let's take a different perspective on this.

They've gone through 7 rounds of financing and they've pretty much gave the majority of the company away to investors. In 2014, the founder & CEO of the company was ousted because he was basically being too nice to the community instead of making money off of them.

With pressure from the board, the new CEO needed to start making money or else. Oh, let's not forget that investors in Silicon Valley are incredibly nervous right now and has been pressing their investments toward a path of profitability. And any chance of 500PX getting more funding was pretty slim in this funding environment.

And all the the pressure and nervousness has led to this. Investors want higher revenue so it can possibility go public one day or secure a nice exit in the future. Higher revenue always means higher valuation. 70% was always too good to be true. It was not sustainable for 500PX and it can never be. Now the party is over and they're like everyone else.

So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

You can just copy and paste this to Pond5 thread.

It's coming...it's a pattern.

Help them grow & get bitten in the end!  8)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 22, 2016, 01:48
yadyada why does it make you happy to revel in your colleagues misery?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 22, 2016, 02:47
How do i write to 500px? Does anyone know the email address of their support team? Found it.

i am also considering to close the account completly. I really don´t want another place filled with drama and abrupt changes.

Even if they had regular sales and I would decide to send exclusive content, there is no guarantee they won´t pull another stunt in a few months or a year and all royalties get dropped again. Maybe to 20/40 or even less.

Trust is the most important commodity in business.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Ariene on March 22, 2016, 03:12
Quote
...from the email:
"We still believe it is important to reward the creators, which is why we will continue to give you an industry-leading royalty rate of 60% on images exclusive to 500px..."


This is simply not true. As an example, Zoonar paid 60% for non-exclusive material!


I had much more sales with Picfair (non exclusive) than with 500px and they pay me 100% of what I set up (and I don't use microstock pricing anywhere)...
Possible? Possible.

30% from non exclusive (most people are non-ex) is faaaaaar away from "an industry-leading royalty rate".

Edit

...
 Deleted all my photos. So, I don't have to worry about them anymore.


I'm sorry to tell you this, but you better check out in Google for your images shared out there. I think I have wrote about it many times long time ago... I've found my images shared taken (also without linking back) from 500px on Tumblr and other places that had no my permission to use my work, so I asked 500px what will they do to remove it and stop for future. They told me it's really ok and they like when people share our images (search for the old threads), and I can use Google DMCA to remove my work from the places as 500px can not do this. So I wasted my time on uploading to 500px only to find out that I need to waste more time on removing my work from very weird places.
Without paying me for the usage in their articles.
I removed my images from many places. Dozens, hundreds then. Blogged, reblogged, shared everywhere. Social media, you know...
And I still find my images from 500px in many places where I can not remove them...

So, if you delete images from 500px they still can be shared out there...

Edit

"Would you be happy with selling an unlimited license to one of your pictures, forever, for $175 (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0184474793/500px-prime-goes-live-photographers-now-get-70-not-30)? ..."


Also this (http://photoblog.mrussellphotography.com/9-reasons-i-no-longer-use-500px/) is interesting to read. Worth to remind some forgotten details for some of you, who may have any doubts ;)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 22, 2016, 03:12
help@500px.com
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: kjorgen on March 22, 2016, 03:14
Quote

We will be testing prices for the standard licenses of the Core and Prime collections to validate our price offerings starting on April 4. This will take place over a period of a few months. You may observe prices changing during this testing period.


I wonder how it looks in a few months!
So glad I chose to build my webpage through 500px.....
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 22, 2016, 04:47
Quoted from Linkedin

"I have been with iStockphoto since 2006 and Kelly has been a wonderful COO! One of the amazing things is how iStock listens to their contributors  ;D Kelly is not afraid to answer questions and see things from different angles. He is dedicated to making iStock the best and he has not forgotten the little guy  ;D like myself in the process. I feel this is a major reason iStock is the best content provider on the web. Kelly would be a true asset to any company  ??? so I hope he stays for many more years at iStockphoto."

Laugh ! I almost choked on my corn flakes!

Any way kkthompson I deleted all my worthless images from your wonderful site. They must be worthless becuase they only deserved 30% instead of 70%


Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 22, 2016, 07:23
Of course, cutting commissions is much easier if you're only trying to increase profits in the short term. In the long term, they took something good and f***ed up, just like with Istock. But nobody cares about long term anymore. The formula is: Take a good company, f*** it up, make a quick buck, get out, buy a mansion, repeat.

That is basically it. A new place opens and promises to be "different" and treat the artists fairly, we all upload millions of files hoping to have a stable and reliable work environment, then the owners realize how much money they can make in 18 months if they bring in investors, create a "story" like a teaser trailer that only has to last for 18 months, until they can sell and cash out and leave.

You need a real CEO like Mark Zuckerberg etc...someone who really is focussed on his mission, and sees beyond just money.

So many rich people in this world, not everyone retires in their penthouse at 21.

To provide a reliable fair trade marketplace is a very worthy project.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: 60D on March 22, 2016, 09:18
Possibly worth making some noise in the 500px forum ([url]https://500px.com/groups/marketplace/2779855/new-royalty-rates[/url]) and on Twitter. Whether or not it changes their minds, they should get a black eye publicly for being so cavalier about their relationship with their suppliers

[url]https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/711989519671627777[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/711989519671627777[/url])

[url]https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/711988696254275584[/url] ([url]https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/711988696254275584[/url])

Jasmin started the 500px thread. My reply to her request for thoughts was:

"Very few printable thoughts :)

I will stop uploading here for the moment (everything I uploaded was tagged for the Marketplace; that was my reason for joining).

I find the huge cut in royalty rate unconscionable and the explanation threadbare. I am less concerned about the price changes, although I think they'd do better to make a bigger difference between *pricing* on exclusive/non-exclusive content.

As far as financing expansion out of royalty cuts, that's a pseudo explanation that dissolves on contact. When there aren't very many sales and you need funds to build the business, you don't generate funds for expansion through a bigger slice of the still-small pie.

The fact that I've heard just about all these tales before without them coming true at any agency, ever, makes it hard to imagine how 500px Marketplace will be the first to make it happen. There are agencies that have grown and become successful, but they haven't done it by picking the pockets of their suppliers.

I could have understood a message about pricing changes to build the business in the current market. But why would anyone continue to contribute content to an agency that takes months to review images, has few sales and has so little respect for its contributors that it delivers this massive royalty cut message with no meaningful details on what 500px Marketplace is prepared to do for us. It's all about what we can do for them...."


One of your tweets features in this article: http://bokeh.digitalrev.com/article/500px-drops-royalty-rate (http://bokeh.digitalrev.com/article/500px-drops-royalty-rate)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 22, 2016, 09:43
Thanks for pointing that article out. Something else to share :)

https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/712288193425440771 (https://twitter.com/joannsnover/status/712288193425440771)


Following the reference from the Bokeh article which cited Reddit as the source (https://www.reddit.com/r/photography/comments/4bellx/500px_royalty_rate_changethoughts/), I noted some people saying that 500px was making money by sending out Getty-like demand notices when an image appeared without having been licensed:

"...A family member of mine got slapped with a notice from 500px asking for $500 in damages. I found out when the demand email was forwarded to me. It was my photo and she had my permission to use it. In fact, I am the web master of the site it was on and I put it there!"

Does anyone know more about this? One Reddit post claimed that was the bulk of their 500px royalty revenue!

Also, PDN Pulse added a piece in their blog

http://pdnpulse.pdnonline.com/2016/03/500px-guts-royalty-rate-on-non-exclusive-images.html (http://pdnpulse.pdnonline.com/2016/03/500px-guts-royalty-rate-on-non-exclusive-images.html)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 22, 2016, 10:05
Does the artist get a share of that?

With all those huge images without a professional watermark...at 500 dollars a piece...nice little income stream.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 22, 2016, 10:35
So I wouldn't blame Thompson. He's just the messenger.

He's a messenger that usually doesn't deliver good news. Kind of like the people that deliver eviction notices.

LOL like so timely march 15 once long time ago at a forum, Spurinna the haruspex warns Caesar "
beware the ides of march
"...

must pay well to be the grim reaper , huh???
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: EmberMike on March 22, 2016, 13:33

Kelly, please, for the love of God, don't go looking for a job at Creative Market when you're done at 500px. Please.

Thank you.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 22, 2016, 13:51
Does the artist get a share of that?

With all those huge images without a professional watermark...at 500 dollars a piece...nice little income stream.

I very much doubt the artsist shares any of that. That actually explains huge image previews and no watermark and their resistance to change it. Tempt the thief to steal, then make him pay - "nice" business model! That also explains why they want people to go exclusive - easier to demand payments from thieves, since you don't have to prove it's been stolen from them. I like when things make sense. Even though I really dislike these "things".
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockVid on March 22, 2016, 13:56
It's just a matter of time before the Exclusive 60% is reduced. . . It's called 'greed'.

What a shame 500px showed a lot of promise.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: noodle on March 22, 2016, 13:57

Kelly, please, for the love of God, don't go looking for a job at Creative Market when you're done at 500px. Please.

Thank you.

And please feel free to go jump in the lake

Gracias
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 22, 2016, 14:47

Kelly, please, for the love of God, don't go looking for a job at Creative Market when you're done at 500px. Please.

Thank you.



And please feel free to go jump in the lake

Gracias

Don't forget the lead boots when you do :D
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: adi911 on March 22, 2016, 15:03
Oh come on, how greedy.... Considering the yearly fee for plus and awesome, this is really a slap on the faces of photographers. 500px will start to sink after this


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Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 22, 2016, 15:05
Does the artist get a share of that?

With all those huge images without a professional watermark...at 500 dollars a piece...nice little income stream.

I very much doubt the artsist shares any of that. That actually explains huge image previews and no watermark and their resistance to change it. Tempt the thief to steal, then make him pay - "nice" business model! That also explains why they want people to go exclusive - easier to demand payments from thieves, since you don't have to prove it's been stolen from them. I like when things make sense. Even though I really dislike these "things".

Your thinking this is intentional? Chasing the legal fees instead of selling?

Is there that much money in that?

Maybe I should remove more files, this sounds scary.

I´ll definitely wait until they have a professional full frame watermark before uploading again.

And no exclusive images, not if my royalty rate can be changed so abruptly with 10 days notice.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 22, 2016, 15:40
Does the artist get a share of that?

With all those huge images without a professional watermark...at 500 dollars a piece...nice little income stream.

I very much doubt the artsist shares any of that. That actually explains huge image previews and no watermark and their resistance to change it. Tempt the thief to steal, then make him pay - "nice" business model! That also explains why they want people to go exclusive - easier to demand payments from thieves, since you don't have to prove it's been stolen from them. I like when things make sense. Even though I really dislike these "things".

Your thinking this is intentional? Chasing the legal fees instead of selling?

Is there that much money in that?

Maybe I should remove more files, this sounds scary.

I´ll definitely wait until they have a professional full frame watermark before uploading again.

And no exclusive images, not if my royalty rate can be changed so abruptly with 10 days notice.

If it makes them more money, why wouldn't it be intentional. I have no data on this, but Jo Ann above mentioned that most of their revenue seems to come from that.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 22, 2016, 17:21
So after investing in Corbis, the Visual China Group is now investing millions of dollars in 500px.
https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/03/tech-startup-500px-creating-high-value-jobs-in-ontario.html


Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Freedom on March 22, 2016, 17:37
Interesting. I thought 500px was a Russian-Canadian owned company originally.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Lana on March 22, 2016, 17:57
Interesting. I thought 500px was a Russian-Canadian owned company originally.

Yes, the founders were 2 Russian guys living in Toronto, one of them was a stock photographer, not sure they are even still around..
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 22, 2016, 19:17
theyre a bunch of cretins
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: StefC on March 23, 2016, 04:14
Just deleted all my files I had for sale there.

Bye 500px
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: sharpshot on March 23, 2016, 04:31
Have they really gone from 70% to 30%?  Alamy went from 60% to 50%, that was palatable, 70 to 30 is a real kick in the teeth.

I never got around to uploading to 500px, now I never will.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: NitorPhoto on March 23, 2016, 05:31
Yes we need a DIFFERENT agency but we do not need another 30% agency. I was planning to join 500px. I am not planning anymore. Simple like that.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Pixart on March 23, 2016, 09:51
Have they really gone from 70% to 30%?  Alamy went from 60% to 50%, that was palatable, 70 to 30 is a real kick in the teeth.

Kelly is just getting his mojo back.  Totally out of character, he appears to have made this big announcement on a Monday morning (or that's when MSG'ers started discussing).  The next big announcement - the one knocking everyone down to 15% will be on a Friday at 4:55 EST. 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on March 23, 2016, 10:45
A couple of weeks ago I was getting ready to upload 200-300 photos.  I held back because of the tedious upload process and the issue of displayed image size being too large - decided I'd wait and see the new direction before spending all that time.   Well, here's the new direction: straight down.   

I just closed my account.     

By now we've all been through the experience of uploading hundreds of photos to a new site, then getting the knife later and realizing we've wasted a lot of time.  So the next new site I consider will have to show a clear direction, a fair trade (50% commission) policy and a business plan that makes sense for both them and us.   

 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cathyslife on March 23, 2016, 13:14
The new definition for entrepreneurship is offer the moon, suck everybody in until you can make millions off their back, then take away the moon and give them a turd.  >:(
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: polar on March 23, 2016, 13:45
I was debating whether to join 500px marketplace but was waiting to see if they sorted out the watermark issue. Now that they've chopped the royalty rate, I'm no longer interested, especially since I wouldn't have been willing to give them exclusive images in any event.

I do wonder, however, if there's any value in displaying small watermarked images in a free basic account. Do others who have done this ever generate any sales this way? Are you allowed to explicitly let viewers and potential buyers know they can contact you for direct sales? Flickr never allowed this, which was one reason I quit posting there.

I thought I read on this thread or another one a comment from someone who said 500px allows this but I can't find the reference right now. When I read their terms and conditions, it seems that they, like Flickr, don't permit it. I'd appreciate any feedback from people who know about this firsthand.

Of course, there's the larger question of whether uploading images would be worthwhile even if direct selling is allowed. Many people have been commenting on how poor the sales have been in the 500px marketplace, so perhaps there's no reason for optimism that images in the basic account will sell either.

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Tror on March 23, 2016, 14:21
The new definition for entrepreneurship is offer the moon, suck everybody in until you can make millions off their back, then take away the moon and give them a turd.  >:(

Yes. The new capitalist startup tale is that you form a company based on some fancy "community" or "crowdsourcing" concept which requires the least possible own and real productive effort, honeytrap as many people in it as you can by "for free" or "high Royalty" offers, trap people in your concept, then sell the thing after a few years, get rich and retire on some real or virtual island.

What society has to learn is to stop fancying BS like this. Last week I got to know one of those guys and most people seem to think that it is "cool" to live off abusive corporate structures who are simply base upon the exploitation of the productive effort of others. I told him that I think he is an A***'#e. Obviously, I did not exactly make friends at that table that night. But I acted regarding my honest values and do not believe in verbal Pacifism neither :D . I think the root and solution lies in the community to exclude People like this and include and honor honesty and loyalty more. It is upon the individual to act by best conscience, not following what is the easiest or socially most accepted form.


Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cathyslife on March 23, 2016, 15:27
The new definition for entrepreneurship is offer the moon, suck everybody in until you can make millions off their back, then take away the moon and give them a turd.  >:(

Yes. The new capitalist startup tale is that you form a company based on some fancy "community" or "crowdsourcing" concept which requires the least possible own and real productive effort, honeytrap as many people in it as you can by "for free" or "high Royalty" offers, trap people in your concept, then sell the thing after a few years, get rich and retire on some real or virtual island.

What society has to learn is to stop fancying BS like this. Last week I got to know one of those guys and most people seem to think that it is "cool" to live off abusive corporate structures who are simply base upon the exploitation of the productive effort of others. I told him that I think he is an A***'#e. Obviously, I did not exactly make friends at that table that night. But I acted regarding my honest values and do not believe in verbal Pacifism neither :D . I think the root and solution lies in the community to exclude People like this and include and honor honesty and loyalty more. It is upon the individual to act by best conscience, not following what is the easiest or socially most accepted form.

Not that it will make one bit of difference, because they are laughing all the way to the bank, but I agree with your values. Entrepreneurship used to mean working 14-18 days, paying your employees before you ever take a paycheck, and taking your vendors to lunch for providing good service. In other words, working hard. Now it means hardly working. Even though I am not a millionaire, I at least have a conscience and can sleep at night.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 23, 2016, 15:31


Last week I got to know one of those guys and most people seem to think that it is "cool" to live off abusive corporate structures who are simply base upon the exploitation of the productive effort of others.

funny, i heard that phrase before. ..
ah yes, now i remember,
it was from the australian movie "Plastic"...
they were computer geeks or internet geniuses or something,
but they ended up dying when the people they con turned out to be more powerful con-men
than themselves.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on March 23, 2016, 17:34
FYI in case anyone wants to disable their 500px Marketplace "store" without removing pictures (perhaps hoping they'll see the error of their ways...), you can just make one selection in the Marketplace settings:

https://500px.com/settings/store/settings

logged in to your account that'll get you the choice to "Disable 500px Store. Disable sale of your photos for commercial licensing."
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Rinderart on March 23, 2016, 20:20
All my 300+ images removed

Thanks 500px you made the decision easy.............

Ditto. deleted 150 of my best. communication there is horrible. I thought "Maybe" we have something here. Nope. another bait and switch Scam.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jarih on March 24, 2016, 00:43
FYI in case anyone wants to disable their 500px Marketplace "store" without removing pictures (perhaps hoping they'll see the error of their ways...), you can just make one selection in the Marketplace settings:

https://500px.com/settings/store/settings

logged in to your account that'll get you the choice to "Disable 500px Store. Disable sale of your photos for commercial licensing."
I will use this since 1 April and write link to my other marketplace to "about you" section. (https://500px.com/settings).
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jogga0 on March 24, 2016, 02:19
Deleted account, it felt good!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Dumc on March 24, 2016, 04:12
Didn't remove my images but I disabled images from marketplace.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: sharpshot on March 24, 2016, 04:15
Isn't it incredible that sites that have a USP decide to destroy themselves by going down the same path that has failed for other sites?  I just hope one day a few site owners notice that if they give us a fair deal, they get a huge boost.  Just look at Alamy.  Pond5 had the right formula as well and were doing great until they stumbled across the self destruct button.

500px could justify cutting non-exclusive commissions to 50% and I think they would still have a viable business but going to 30% will be a disaster.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 24, 2016, 05:31
Even if they changed it now and went back up to 50% - who would believe them??

Either you believe in the principle of fair trade or you don´t, there is no inbetween.

And why would anyone send them exclusive content now? As soon as they have enough, they will lower those royalties wth 10 days notice as well.

And then there is the lack of a professional watermark and people saying this is intentional to get a second income through copyright infringement at 500 dollars a use.

Who wants to offer their files in a huge image as a click or share bait? Nobody.

Plus complete lack of interaction and communication, not even on the 500px website. Nothing says, "we don´t care" more than silence.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Fudio on March 24, 2016, 05:53
Well put. They said as much themselves in the communique when they referred to revisiting the pricing structure at a future date. Some bridges just need to be burned.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sebastian Radu on March 24, 2016, 06:15
Deleted account, it felt good!

And I !!!

You're right, I feel much better now  :)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Tror on March 24, 2016, 09:22
Isn't it incredible that sites that have a USP decide to destroy themselves by going down the same path that has failed for other sites?

Yeah. Unbelievable. Crooks Like KT seem to think that they can scam people off like with istock back in the days.

But istock was a whole different story. They had been one of the first Agencies and many people built their lifes on it and around it. In comparison, 500px is nothing. A newcomer nobody relies on. And times have changed. We learned. Many are so fed up with s*** like this that they leave within a second.

This story will be in the books as "How to ruin a promising Agency for no reason". But that should actually be Kelly Thompson CV headline.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Petr Toman on March 24, 2016, 09:25
Strange, cant delete account, it always jump to : Sorry, no such page. After I hit delete confirmation.

Edit : ah it actually did delete the account, they just dont have a landing page for that :D
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 24, 2016, 10:23
Just take a look at this (from 2015) to understand what kind of people are running 500px now. Really no surprises here.
http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/ (http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/)

I love this comment from Andy Yang: "It’s not beneficial to rehash that time." Like - "I stabbed the guy who hired me in the back and robbed him of his company, but hey who wants to talk about that?"
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: izzikiorage on March 24, 2016, 10:30
The best part is that they'll rationalize to themselves that many users did not leave, hence our decision was the right one.

What they don't realize is that many of the best closed their account and the rest will now think a lot before they upload. They moved from being the agency that everyone supported to the one that people now hate
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cobalt on March 24, 2016, 10:42
Itˋ s a common mistake by people who don´t understand crowd sourcing, that losing people doesn´t matter.

And then they are surprised if half the community leaves in a few weeks or months.

" just a few people whining on a forum of losers" is what they tell investors...but nothing matters more than your reputation.

So many people think being part of the swarm means we are stupid, while it is exactly the opposite. Without input from everyone, it would take a lot longer to see what is really going and how much attention an agency deserves.

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Tror on March 24, 2016, 11:26
Itˋ s a common mistake by people who don´t understand crowd sourcing, that losing people doesn´t matter.


I fully agree. Many community/crowd sourced sites which had been powerful in the past disappeared or are losing ground right now (e.g. Flickr).
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Newsfocus1 on March 24, 2016, 11:36
What they don't realize is that many of the best closed their account and the rest will now think a lot before they upload. They moved from being the agency that everyone supported to the one that people now hate

Indeed - while they can measure the people and images they lose what they can never know is how many would have signed up and uploaded, but won't now. Count me amongst those. I spent a good amount of time poring over the site last week and had decided join. Now I won't. I don't trust them anymore (whatever changes to the terms, if any, they might make).
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on March 24, 2016, 11:43
Just take a look at this (from 2015) to understand what kind of people are running 500px now. Really no surprises here.
[url]http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/[/url] ([url]http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/[/url])

I love this comment from Andy Yang: "It’s not beneficial to rehash that time." Like - "I stabbed the guy who hired me in the back and robbed him of his company, but hey who wants to talk about that?"


Thanks, that was interesting.  I actually didn't know about all the conflict and turnover.  It seems to me  that nothing salvageable was left, and I wonder why new investment came in.  Sounds like they should have just shuttered it.

If someone wanted to pick up the pieces and head in a new direction, they should have made that clear in the email to contributors.  Instead, it was just - starting now, you will get a lot less, take it or leave it.  Nothing about marketing plans or future possibilities, no apologies, no candor, no hope.    After reading that, who's going to spend the time uploading hundreds of photos? 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jingel on March 24, 2016, 11:49
Nice to hear that from agency that started as a social photo pub service (and tried to monetize from uploader subscription plans called "plus" and "awesome"). Zero sales stock with almost transparent watermark and huge iMac-retina-sized previews? Yeah, sure, sign me in!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 24, 2016, 11:50
Itˋ s a common mistake by people who don´t understand crowd sourcing, that losing people doesn´t matter.

And then they are surprised if half the community leaves in a few weeks or months.

" just a few people whining on a forum of losers" is what they tell investors...but nothing matters more than your reputation.

So many people think being part of the swarm means we are stupid, while it is exactly the opposite. Without input from everyone, it would take a lot longer to see what is really going and how much attention an agency deserves.

it all depends on which side of the board you belong.
this age is all about "temporary"-ness, unlike the old age mentality that stability , longevity , ... is the key. much like the modular structure in your office. you , the people, are no different to the CEOs.
you make money for us, you stay... tomorrow, we remove your name from the door, and remove everything connected to you... and we escort you to the exit with only a box of your personal effects.

everything in business today is just that. telemarketing, publishing,etc...  shutterstock today, istock yesterday ,etc..   the common good is not what matters to the investors (not even the whole community of investors, ... just the controlling shareholders).
their main interest is to make money ..quickly, and pull out to go elsewhere to do another dirty work...
that is the modern era of the old school mining industry.
the only thing they mine these days is ... people.
the ghost towns they leave behind with pointless pollution are the same...
 people, and their homes.

consider how many business eg telemarketing...  subsidized by your govt, are now empty head offices in your city???  same thing.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: NitorPhoto on March 24, 2016, 13:03
This is the first time I am sorry that I don't have my portfolio uploaded there. I would be so excited to delete it right now to show them what I think. It would be like 30k images - what is not that much but still, a good number.

I see this as a good opportunity for photographers to stand up for themselfs. It is hard to quit from a significant agency when they make such a move. But 500px is NOT a significant agency and nobody will lose too much by leaving them. Except them. This is the right moment to protest! Unfortunately I can not delete my portfolio now, but I am sure I'll never upload anything ever.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockVid on March 24, 2016, 13:24
Deleted my account.

It was not much but it has gone.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Karen on March 24, 2016, 14:36
Deleted all my images.
Good bye Kelly!  >:(
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Elenathewise on March 24, 2016, 18:00
Just take a look at this (from 2015) to understand what kind of people are running 500px now. Really no surprises here.
[url]http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/[/url] ([url]http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/[/url])

I love this comment from Andy Yang: "It’s not beneficial to rehash that time." Like - "I stabbed the guy who hired me in the back and robbed him of his company, but hey who wants to talk about that?"


Thanks, that was interesting.  I actually didn't know about all the conflict and turnover.  It seems to me  that nothing salvageable was left, and I wonder why new investment came in.  Sounds like they should have just shuttered it.

If someone wanted to pick up the pieces and head in a new direction, they should have made that clear in the email to contributors.  Instead, it was just - starting now, you will get a lot less, take it or leave it.  Nothing about marketing plans or future possibilities, no apologies, no candor, no hope.    After reading that, who's going to spend the time uploading hundreds of photos?


New investment came in from China. Visual China Group. https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/03/tech-startup-500px-creating-high-value-jobs-in-ontario.html  ... I am deleting my stuff at the end of the month.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Microstock Man on March 24, 2016, 20:09
Wow, I was SO close to joining with my few thousand images. They would have been my next agency to try. Decided to just give it some time, after being burnt with others in the past. So glad I delayed my decision. Sorry for those who have invested time there.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Photerloo on March 25, 2016, 00:02
This really sucks!! I have been on 500px for a while and I was starting to get some pretty good sales.  Not the frequency of other sites but one sale was much higher, I had a couple of months where I had two $175 sales in the month. Also, sales had been steadily increasing in frequency over the past six months too...
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 25, 2016, 01:30
I was another one thinking of submitting after all the discussion here. Now no way.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: DallasP on March 25, 2016, 05:12
I haven't even tried to sell anything there yet because I mostly do silly illustrations n stuff but, that really is about as good as most of the microstock deals that we're getting ... and I was really hoping that 500px wouldn't really take the micro route and be ... well kind of a bridge ... like an array of micro to spectacular ...

I love the community there though, and they've now introduced some contests which might get me out shooting more ...

I don't know, I do stupid drawings ... would it make sense to submit my not-amateur-just-not-pro photos to just 500px? I mean, only a few purchase per month is still a decent payout right?

So far, model and content releases have been nearly too big of a pain to even worry about photos, I mean some group shots of the kids even doing something ... marketable ... like easter or something ... would take at least a day to sort photos, edit photos, fill out releases, upload photos, tag and keyword photos ... and that's being generous to most of these websites ... around half the time I give up on the slow *insult removed* and move along ...

Honestly, it's sometimes cool to check the emails and see that I've gotten a few bucks here or there but, to be honest guys ... It's ... dead ...

(however, for the first month in like four months 123rf got sales ... that sinking ship sucked in like $.53 this month, let's be optimistic about that)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Petr Toman on March 25, 2016, 09:42
Just take a look at this (from 2015) to understand what kind of people are running 500px now. Really no surprises here.
[url]http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/[/url] ([url]http://thenextweb.com/entrepreneur/2015/05/23/co-founder-ex-ceo-500px-trial-errors-lessons-learned/[/url])

I love this comment from Andy Yang: "It’s not beneficial to rehash that time." Like - "I stabbed the guy who hired me in the back and robbed him of his company, but hey who wants to talk about that?"


thanks a lot for sharing, was also not aware, btw I love Oleg's new project (https://pickapaw.com) :D
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Pixart on March 25, 2016, 12:48

New investment came in from China. Visual China Group. https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/03/tech-startup-500px-creating-high-value-jobs-in-ontario.html (https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/03/tech-startup-500px-creating-high-value-jobs-in-ontario.html)  ... I am deleting my stuff at the end of the month.
This gets me a bit riled up.  Yay, great for Ontario.  But they don't go into explaining how it affects Ontarians and Canadians along with the other "7 million professional and hobbyist" contributors.  Obviously this is why the drastic cut in royalties.


Edit:  I had a little rant.  Why can't I tag Kathleen Wynne though?   
https://www.facebook.com/lorraine.swanson1/posts/10153578066702992 (https://www.facebook.com/lorraine.swanson1/posts/10153578066702992)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: DC on March 25, 2016, 15:15
Thats a good write up.

I just want to point out that going from 70% to 30% is a 57% percent decrease, so saying it is a 40% decrease actually makes it sound less bad than it is.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 25, 2016, 16:05
Or they used to be paying %133 more...
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 25, 2016, 16:16

New investment came in from China. Visual China Group. [url]https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/03/tech-startup-500px-creating-high-value-jobs-in-ontario.html[/url] ([url]https://news.ontario.ca/opo/en/2016/03/tech-startup-500px-creating-high-value-jobs-in-ontario.html[/url])  ... I am deleting my stuff at the end of the month.

This gets me a bit riled up.  Yay, great for Ontario.  But they don't go into explaining how it affects Ontarians and Canadians along with the other "7 million professional and hobbyist" contributors.  Obviously this is why the drastic cut in royalties.


Edit:  I had a little rant.  Why can't I tag Kathleen Wynne though?   
[url]https://www.facebook.com/lorraine.swanson1/posts/10153578066702992[/url] ([url]https://www.facebook.com/lorraine.swanson1/posts/10153578066702992[/url])


i have nothing against chinese or canadians (istock is based there),
but along with this other thread from a chinese
http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=27293.msg0;topicseen#new (http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?topic=27293.msg0;topicseen#new)
and when i mentioned about businesses turning to china to a group of chinese people locally,
they sort of laughed and say , "when our business ppl sell you something, you can be sure
we want to not only make 100 percent , but we will want to earn another cent on top of it."
and when  i told them about this move by 500px, they laughed and say, "who in china
pays for anything? the rich ppl did not get to be millionaires giving you anything,
and they do not expect to pay for anything either".

this sort of worrying explanation why not to expect anything better, no???
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Pixart on March 25, 2016, 16:50
Thats a good write up.

I just want to point out that going from 70% to 30% is a 57% percent decrease, so saying it is a 40% decrease actually makes it sound less bad than it is.

Thanks, I have since clarified in the post.  I "liked" the Premier so I could tag her and the Toronto Star.  It is crazy that they are endorsed by the Provincial Government, yet as a company they are getting away with a crime.  I would love a big paper to investigate the Wild West of the Internet where noone has rights and Istock, Getty, 500px, et all can promise the world and then give you nothing and where lone wolfs can register a business in the State of Texas - Revostock, not file bankruptcy and still close the doors and walk away with money from artists and from credits purchased by buyers. 
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Silken Photography on March 31, 2016, 00:16
On deleting photos at 500px:

"If these photos have been submitted for licensing, they will no longer be available after 45 days and you will no longer be able to earn 70% of sales of the photos."

... and in a few days time you'll no longer be able to earn 70% of sales of the photos anyway :o
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: MarcvsTvllivs on March 31, 2016, 14:36
I have deactivated everything that isn't on the micros.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: PZF on April 01, 2016, 02:23
Seen 500px latest email?
It's going to get even more exciting!
Seems a deal with Red Bull Photography (who?)
Their comment:
Captivating photos by inspirational photographers incoming.

Load of new buyers incoming would be nice for a change...........
:(
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: jarih on April 01, 2016, 02:46
Royalty Cut..
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Noedelhap on April 01, 2016, 06:26
What a disgusting move by 500px / KT.

Goes to show that KT apparently wasn't simply a messenger when they cut royalties at iStock in 2010. Now we see a clear pattern. Everywhere he goes, he turns promising ventures into turds.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Carmen on April 01, 2016, 17:36
What a disgusting move by 500px / KT.

Goes to show that KT apparently wasn't simply a messenger when they cut royalties at iStock in 2010. Now we see a clear pattern. Everywhere he goes, he turns promising ventures into turds.

What can you expect from Mr. Unsustainable?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Dakota on April 02, 2016, 14:00
Boycott Kelly Thompson!
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Firewall on April 02, 2016, 14:20
Disabled my account at 500px yesterday
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on April 04, 2016, 16:47
Got e-mail this morning asking if I'd like to re-enable my store on Marketplace as a customer wanted to license an image. I replied that if the royalty cut to 30% had gone into effect today as planned, then no, I wouldn't. I haven't heard anything more :)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cascoly on April 04, 2016, 17:01
deleted account of 5000+ images - never had a sale
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: polar on April 04, 2016, 17:20
Got e-mail this morning asking if I'd like to re-enable my store on Marketplace as a customer wanted to license an image. I replied that if the royalty cut to 30% had gone into effect today as planned, then no, I wouldn't. I haven't heard anything more :)

Good for you. You should have added that they could always just pass the customer onto you so you could get a fair-trade 100% of the sale.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on April 05, 2016, 14:51
Got e-mail this morning asking if I'd like to re-enable my store on Marketplace as a customer wanted to license an image. I replied that if the royalty cut to 30% had gone into effect today as planned, then no, I wouldn't. I haven't heard anything more :)

And if I were a conspiracy buff I'd speculate that they'd been queueing up those requests until the cut took effect. But I'm not, so I won't. 

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockmn on April 05, 2016, 19:24
Got e-mail this morning asking if I'd like to re-enable my store on Marketplace as a customer wanted to license an image. I replied that if the royalty cut to 30% had gone into effect today as planned, then no, I wouldn't. I haven't heard anything more :)

And if I were a conspiracy buff I'd speculate that they'd been queueing up those requests until the cut took effect. But I'm not, so I won't.

I don't think so because I received my first sale and not even an hour later I got the email telling me they were slashing the royalty rate  :o
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Lana on April 06, 2016, 10:31
Will their reviewing process still suck as bad as it did before the cuts? ;D
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: stockastic on April 06, 2016, 11:22
Got e-mail this morning asking if I'd like to re-enable my store on Marketplace as a customer wanted to license an image. I replied that if the royalty cut to 30% had gone into effect today as planned, then no, I wouldn't. I haven't heard anything more :)

And if I were a conspiracy buff I'd speculate that they'd been queueing up those requests until the cut took effect. But I'm not, so I won't.
Nah they'd never pull something like that.  There are limits to the evil at work here.

I don't think so because I received my first sale and not even an hour later I got the email telling me they were slashing the royalty rate  :o
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: andy_arden on April 06, 2016, 12:25
i deleted all my files from 500px although i had nice sales , from 300 photos had 38 sales in a few months. i will upload again despite the lower 30% only if the photos will have a watermark on them (not the joke that is right now).
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: shiyali on April 06, 2016, 17:27
Will their reviewing process still suck as bad as it did before the cuts? ;D

So far zero improvement.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: angelawaye on April 06, 2016, 21:04
(http://www.angelawaye.com/cat.jpg)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: sharpshot on April 07, 2016, 03:38
I wonder if they are doing special deals for their top contributors?  Lots of people never used istock and left Getty because they couldn't take their unfair low percentage.  They probably have a lot of people that were making lots of money for them that just wont tolerate a cut from 70 to 30%.  Are they really just going to let them all go?

Still hard to understand how sites don't notice that paying at least 50% makes them the good guys and gets people working with them, instead of removing their images and telling everyone they know how greedy they are.  I'm sure the 50% has worked great for Alamy, Pond5 and Stocksy.  They can still make big profits and have a much larger group of contributors backing them.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Firewall on April 07, 2016, 03:45
The other day I saw a lot of Thai people applying for Getty/iStock with ports on 500x, including the one with the image of 2 boys catching a fish, which was posted here recently
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sammy the Cat on April 07, 2016, 03:57
The other day I saw a lot of Thai people applying for Getty/iStock with ports on 500x, including the one with the image of 2 boys catching a fish, which was posted here recently

That's interesting where did you see these applications?  Do you work for Getty/iStock?
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Firewall on April 07, 2016, 05:13
The other day I saw a lot of Thai people applying for Getty/iStock with ports on 500x, including the one with the image of 2 boys catching a fish, which was posted here recently


That's interesting where did you see these applications?  Do you work for Getty/iStock?

I don't work for them, I'm just a contributor at Getty.
Anyway you can see it here http://workwithus.gettyimages.com/en/gallery (http://workwithus.gettyimages.com/en/gallery)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 21, 2016, 17:12
I received e-mail from 500px today titled "Get ready for more global exposure"

They say they are expanding the community with 500px.me, the mandarin version of the site, so images will be sync'd on both sites. There is an option to opt out of global distribution, so I went and opted out.

I am no longer in marketplace (when they slashed royalties), but I did leave my images already uploaded on 500px.com. I'm not yet ready to take images with such a weak watermark to their Mandarin site (I'm already pretty disappointed that they did nothing about the watermark after all the focus group stuff prior to hiring KK Thompson).

Possibly I should just delete the portfolio completely, but I'm still sort of hoping something might improve there.

Anyway, just an FYI for anyone who still has images with them.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mr Nobody on June 21, 2016, 17:54
Closed my account ---- ;)


Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Sebastian Radu on June 22, 2016, 00:09
Closed my account ---- ;)

So do I  :)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: hofhoek on June 22, 2016, 02:37
I received e-mail from 500px today titled "Get ready for more global exposure"

They say they are expanding the community with 500px.me, the mandarin version of the site, so images will be sync'd on both sites. There is an option to opt out of global distribution, so I went and opted out.

I am no longer in marketplace (when they slashed royalties), but I did leave my images already uploaded on 500px.com. I'm not yet ready to take images with such a weak watermark to their Mandarin site (I'm already pretty disappointed that they did nothing about the watermark after all the focus group stuff prior to hiring KK Thompson).

Possibly I should just delete the portfolio completely, but I'm still sort of hoping something might improve there.

Anyway, just an FYI for anyone who still has images with them.

They really are unbelievable. Too many people must have opted out because the opt out possibility has been removed.This is what it says on the FAQ page:
Is there an Opt In/Out option?

"Unlike the first iteration of the new Home feed in February, there will no longer be an Opt In/Out option. This option was solely used to gather feedback from our community to ensure expectations were met by the time we made this new Home experience available to our entire community."

I had removed most of my images from the Marketplace. Sold another three this month and started to believe in 500pix again but after this latest thing I guess I just have to close my account. I hope they still pay out. I guess starting deleting images is the only thing while I'm waiting for pay out...


SORRY THIS SEEMS A MISTAKE THERE STILL IS AN OPT OUT POSSIBILITY. LOOKED AT THE WRONG FAQ PAGE... DON'T KNOW HOW TO DELETE THE ABOVE
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Dumc on June 23, 2016, 13:54
They are scums.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: etudiante_rapide on June 23, 2016, 15:03

(I'm already pretty disappointed that they did nothing about the watermark after all the focus group stuff prior to hiring KK Thompson).


it should have been a red flag for everyone even after ignoring the need of a strong wmark...
and they brought it KKT.
hyenas do not procreate with horses.
furthermore, lest we forget, istock started as a free image agency , didn't they???
anyone assoicated with the blood-letting of istock should never be given a second chance
to bleed us for second time around.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: ShadySue on June 23, 2016, 15:43
... istock started as a free image agency , didn't they???
Not exactly.
It started as a means for artists to share images. I wasn't around then, but I believe the model was that you had to upload X images to get one back - effectively an early 'credits' system. (Someone who was 'in with the bricks' can correct this as appropriate.)
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Silken Photography on June 23, 2016, 19:23
Despite deleting all my photos weeks ago, I received this email from 500px today:

"Congratulations! A license of your photo Happy Mother's Day at the Beach was sold and you earned $7.69 USD."

I did have one pending sale before I deleted everything, but to be honest I can't remember if it was that image. I also now can't access my sales or payment page to check or request payout.

I have emailed them asking how they sold a license of a deleted photo and how I'm supposed to access my payment. Just wanted to post a heads-up that deleting your photos on there may not be enough.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: izzikiorage on June 24, 2016, 06:46
He he...  Most of us are dying for sales and you are getting it even after removing your photos
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: hofhoek on September 29, 2016, 10:33
 They are so not to be trusted!! I just sold an image(for a mere $1.81) with 500px while I had my account deleted a month ago. So they still keep my images for sale while I don't want them to. Don't start with them, don't upload your images with them, they will keep them as if they own them.
Anyone knows how to fix this problem?


Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Dumc on September 30, 2016, 05:55
Jebi jim mater.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: AlessandraRC on October 01, 2016, 19:32
I've finally left. It was a waste of my time, no sales, no reviews of submitted images, zero customer support.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: hofhoek on November 02, 2016, 10:36
I left two months ago but my images still went for sale and now after two months they are supposed to have been finally deleted from the site as they promised me. However... They are not on the marketplace anymore but they are still there and visible and for grabs. NEVER, NEVER start there.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: AnTiImAgeX on November 02, 2016, 12:45
disappointing  >:( >:(
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: shiyali on November 02, 2016, 18:08
I've finally left. It was a waste of my time, no sales, no reviews of submitted images, zero customer support.

Same here, closed my account, utterly unprofessional, no idea how they stay in business.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: PixelBytes on November 02, 2016, 22:49
I left two months ago but my images still went for sale and now after two months they are supposed to have been finally deleted from the site as they promised me. However... They are not on the marketplace anymore but they are still there and visible and for grabs. NEVER, NEVER start there.

Thx for the warning.  I have been thinking about uploading to some new (to me) sites to make up for what I will lose pulling out of Istock.  500px will be one I cross off my list.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mantis on November 02, 2016, 23:13
I also deleted my account after KT cut commissions. Sounding like he brought some Istock quality with him.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: hofhoek on November 03, 2016, 05:48
I also deleted my account after KT cut commissions. Sounding like he brought some Istock quality with him.

I'm curious. Is this more than two months ago and are your images really gone? I closed my account but when I go to 500px and fill in my name I still see them. I didn't log in because the time starts ticking again and then you have to wait another two months.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Dumc on November 04, 2016, 03:26
Looks like they're like some STD, once you get it, it's hard to get rid of it...
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: hofhoek on November 04, 2016, 06:01
And it stinks really bad!
I received an answer from 500px: You photos have not been deleted because you logged back into your 500px account, which re-activates it. This is the reason we inform our members we'll keep their photos safe for a little while. Once you log into your account, the 60 day deletion period is cancelled.
As a matter of fact  I didn't log back in. Because I knew 500px would pull this trick. I was asked to log back in if I wanted my earnings of this one sale of 1.80. But I definitely didn't log in to claim this money because I knew this would happen. And still they persist that I did log in. So now another two months they can earn money of chasing the people who may have stolen my images and keep the money for themselves.  I am afraid that this is their business model. Not selling photos.

Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: cathyslife on November 04, 2016, 07:26
And it stinks really bad!
I received an answer from 500px: You photos have not been deleted because you logged back into your 500px account, which re-activates it. This is the reason we inform our members we'll keep their photos safe for a little while. Once you log into your account, the 60 day deletion period is cancelled.
As a matter of fact  I didn't log back in. Because I knew 500px would pull this trick. I was asked to log back in if I wanted my earnings of this one sale of 1.80. But I definitely didn't log in to claim this money because I knew this would happen. And still they persist that I did log in. So now another two months they can earn money of chasing the people who may have stolen my images and keep the money for themselves.  I am afraid that this is their business model. Not selling photos.

What an idiotic way to conduct business...what does logging back in to your account to check on things have to do with your request to have all your photos deleted? Not having an account and having photos deleted are two separate things!  >:( For instance, I deleted all my photos at istock years ago, but I left my account active (just in case good sense prevailed and somebody new took over and turned the site back into something good for contributors...ha, fat chance. I should go over there and cancel my account now, though).

A contributor wouldn't know of those bad tactics when signing up in the beginning, but now that you have brought it to light, anybody who keeps dealing with these kinds of bad businesses is just asking for it, IMHO.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Mantis on November 04, 2016, 08:36
I also deleted my account after KT cut commissions. Sounding like he brought some Istock quality with him.

I'm curious. Is this more than two months ago and are your images really gone? I closed my account but when I go to 500px and fill in my name I still see them. I didn't log in because the time starts ticking again and then you have to wait another two months.

I just double checked and they are all off their site. That was right after they announced the pay cut, 7-8 months ago. I do recall having to go back and make them remove ALL of my stuff. But it's gone now.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Noedelhap on November 04, 2016, 09:34
And it stinks really bad!
I received an answer from 500px: You photos have not been deleted because you logged back into your 500px account, which re-activates it. This is the reason we inform our members we'll keep their photos safe for a little while. Once you log into your account, the 60 day deletion period is cancelled.
As a matter of fact  I didn't log back in. Because I knew 500px would pull this trick. I was asked to log back in if I wanted my earnings of this one sale of 1.80. But I definitely didn't log in to claim this money because I knew this would happen. And still they persist that I did log in. So now another two months they can earn money of chasing the people who may have stolen my images and keep the money for themselves.  I am afraid that this is their business model. Not selling photos.



You should demand some evidence if this did not happen. Either way, it's a ridiculous policy to reactivate images just because you logged in.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Silken Photography on September 01, 2017, 19:19
I haven't logged in in _months_, except for today when I received another notification of a sold image. If I click on the link to the image in the email, I get a page not found error. Whether it's malicious or just a poorly written platform, the fact is your images still exist somewhere on 500px no matter what you do.
Title: Re: 500px - Kelly Thompson strikes again
Post by: Zero Talent on September 01, 2017, 19:42
Duplicated complaint on an old thread.

More replies on the other thread: http://www.microstockgroup.com/new-sites-general/500px-keep-selling-your-photos-after-you-remove-them-from-their-site/new/#new (http://www.microstockgroup.com/new-sites-general/500px-keep-selling-your-photos-after-you-remove-them-from-their-site/new/#new)