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m@m

« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2011, 19:33 »
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Isn't $50 kind of high for a starting stock site, one with only a hand full of contributors and images?... IMO, even though I personally don't know the amount of buyers you guys can generate,(in this new market format you're creating) that amount of money sounds kind of unrealistic for a new agency, don't you think?...sounds to me that it would take years for anyone to reach payout there, if ever... Not good news. ;)

I understand. You're right. We took this into consideration and we now start making payments at $25. We can even do at 10 if artist so desire. Just let us know your pay point and we'll take care of it.

Thank you Jaakko.
The fact that a contributor can request a payout with such flexibility may be a plus for attracting some more contributors to join Art Film Stock...now all you need are the buyers...LOL ;D...good luck on your venture guys.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2011, 19:40 by m@m »


« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2011, 06:55 »
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Sure!

Yes indeed, we are seeing surge of new contributors now.
I want to say personal thanks to everyone who has joined. We really appreciate your time and effort to upload to our site.

We will do our best to advertise your files so that they will get maximum exposure.

m@m

« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2011, 08:03 »
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Great!...BTW I've also joined the site and have uploaded some photos already, and will keep on doing so as the site develops and sales start coming in... ;)

« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2011, 08:25 »
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Thank you!

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2011, 08:34 »
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I just looked at this site out of curiosity.
Do you require model/property releases? Are you selling for commercial use?
I ask because I found a photo of a horse race where the colours/patterns of the silks can be clearly seen and I'm well impressed if the photographer managed to get property releases from all the owners and model releases from all the jockeys. I guess the tog might have changed the colours of the silks, but the particular pic I'm talking about would need model releases on other sites nowadays.
The 'related items' are hilariously random.  :D
« Last Edit: August 18, 2011, 08:36 by ShadySue »

« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2011, 14:49 »
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We do require releases.

What comes to horse race thing, yeah, we are having ongoing debate about this. Same thing goes for any kind of sail ships or nautical vessels which design is very recognizable.

Carl

  • Carl Stewart, CS Productions
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2011, 05:53 »
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Just to make sure I understand your USP (Unique Selling Proposition):  You sell stock imagery that's decidedly more artistic than what's generally available on the big 4, am I correct?  If so, then the inspection process would even more subjective, would it not?  I mean, how would one recognize an image that's more "artistic?"  What would it look like?  What inspection criteria would be applied?  And does it mean that you don't accept an image which would be accepted on the big 4 sites?  Please understand that I'm not trying to be difficult - just trying to clarify.  I don't think I would be a good match for the site because I'm all about furthering my technical knowledge and abilities while creating commercial imagery that appeals to the broadest clientele possible.  If that means an image of shaking hands that's evenly lit and sharply focused, I'm more than happy to do it.  I'm not the stereotypical artist with a superior attitude; neither do I feel like I have to prove anything to anyone.  I do have to balance my creative itch with my empty stomach!   :P

« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2011, 17:56 »
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How do I upload videos?

Also I have to mention, you may want to upgrade the upload system, including a kind of unfinished files section. It's just boring to wait every 10-20Mb file to upload and then categorize, etc.

Also I have the same doubts as csproductions, how do I decide if an image it's enough artsy for you. Technically speaking there are some exact things, like size, noise level, subject, cropping/composition, keywords. But if I find art an old, dusty paraffin lamp, or a very old man's portrait, not all of us will find attractive or good photo. Except uploading 100 files and watching the rejections, there are some other fixed points?
What about video content?

« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2011, 22:36 »
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Just to make sure I understand your USP (Unique Selling Proposition):  You sell stock imagery that's decidedly more artistic than what's generally available on the big 4, am I correct?  If so, then the inspection process would even more subjective, would it not?  I mean, how would one recognize an image that's more "artistic?"  What would it look like?  What inspection criteria would be applied?  And does it mean that you don't accept an image which would be accepted on the big 4 sites?  Please understand that I'm not trying to be difficult - just trying to clarify.  I don't think I would be a good match for the site because I'm all about furthering my technical knowledge and abilities while creating commercial imagery that appeals to the broadest clientele possible.  If that means an image of shaking hands that's evenly lit and sharply focused, I'm more than happy to do it.  I'm not the stereotypical artist with a superior attitude; neither do I feel like I have to prove anything to anyone.  I do have to balance my creative itch with my empty stomach!   :P


Carl, thank you for reply. Yes, that's right. But truth is that we do have to get some volume and we are currently accepting even these what we call "safe images" which mean more mainstream things (as long as they are not handshakes!). Sure, we understand that we need that kind of weight to get moving. And if the photos are well took, I can't see why we should reject them. We highlight best (and most artistic) of these in a kind of spotlight thing and they form the backbone of our site.

For example, we have stuff like this:
http://www.artfilmstock.com/photo/cabin-boy.html
and
http://www.artfilmstock.com/photo/woman-shooting-photo.html

We'd love to have these kind of images more.

Also what we do differently from others is that we understand the difference between film grain and sensor noise. What that means is that we really embrace film photos and we think grain is part of the visual delight of a film image.  So you don't have to worry to get obscure noise rejection when you upload that perfect film image which you've worked super hard with.

In any case, you are more than welcome aboard if you like.

« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2011, 22:44 »
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How do I upload videos?

Also I have to mention, you may want to upgrade the upload system, including a kind of unfinished files section. It's just boring to wait every 10-20Mb file to upload and then categorize, etc.

Also I have the same doubts as csproductions, how do I decide if an image it's enough artsy for you. Technically speaking there are some exact things, like size, noise level, subject, cropping/composition, keywords. But if I find art an old, dusty paraffin lamp, or a very old man's portrait, not all of us will find attractive or good photo. Except uploading 100 files and watching the rejections, there are some other fixed points?
What about video content?


Framing is first we look at and all the basic rules of photography apply there and you know that I'm sure. We are not very big fan of isolated objects on white background although we accept some of those if they are unique.

For example this one:
http://www.artfilmstock.com/photo/10333.html

The subject is just a tomato but this is interesting because it looks also.. hmm.. all kinds of things! The photographer discovered unique way of portraying a tomato, and it works.

We have accepted over 90% of submitted images and we continue doing so. Please try us.

We are working hard with the upload system. If you don't want to mess with the categories, just put some there and inspectors will take care of it. No worries.

« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2011, 23:01 »
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How do I upload videos?

We're still working with video system. We let you know as soon as we start to accept them.

« Reply #36 on: August 23, 2011, 17:42 »
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« Reply #37 on: August 23, 2011, 22:48 »
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We had a server issue. Now we're up again.

« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2011, 04:56 »
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We are currently working with a major update for the site. Mainly this means that we're changing into a new platform that is much more flexible. I tested the new java uploader which allows files to be dropped to it, imports metadata automatically and works much faster than the current one. This should beat FTP by all means.

I really want to say personal thanks for all of you who have taken time to send us feedback of the site. We are listening each of your comments and we take them into careful consideration.
We will announce timetable when this major update will go live.

« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2011, 08:26 »
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...This should beat FTP by all means.

In my opinion no browser source uploader beats FTP. FTP is fast, reliable and not prone to crash, and can easily pause and resume download.

Will give you JAVA uploader a try but I am not sure a browser uploader will as easily support a 6 gig of files upload as FTP would?

Thanks for listening to the comments, it can only draw more contributors to your site!

« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2011, 03:45 »
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We are contacting the contributors directly.

Please contact me also, I want a ftp account. Do you sell only jpeg illustrations, or I can upload vectors also?

Thank you

« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2011, 08:38 »
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No imprint, no physical address, no telephone number?

« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2011, 01:08 »
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We are contacting the contributors directly.

Please contact me also, I want a ftp account. Do you sell only jpeg illustrations, or I can upload vectors also?

Thank you

Sure, we will contact you shortly. Our team is now moving all files to the new system.
We plan to go live next week with it. Can we ask you to wait until then?

« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2011, 10:07 »
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>>No imprint, no physical address, no telephone number?

This is from Domain Tools:
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.. admin edit:
  contact details removed as they were the private address of the owner.  They have since updated the details on their WHOis data

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« Last Edit: September 27, 2011, 04:24 by leaf »

« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2011, 16:47 »
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Our new site is live now. Thank you for all your positive feedback.
http://www.artfilmstock.com

Please, welcome to the site!

« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2011, 10:31 »
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We are contacting the contributors directly.

Please contact me also, I want a ftp account. Do you sell only jpeg illustrations, or I can upload vectors also?

Thank you

Sure, we will contact you shortly. Our team is now moving all files to the new system.
We plan to go live next week with it. Can we ask you to wait until then?

Sure, I'll wait. No problem for me.

« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2011, 08:18 »
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I sent you the FTP info by email.

« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2011, 19:47 »
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We are starting a new collection in our site. In lack for a fancier name (Vetta?) we are just going to call it Exclusive Collection for now.

Here is the idea: We accept most unique and artistic and strange images, especially full size film scans that can be very large in size. We hand pick these. Only thing we require from artist is individual frame exclusivity. We don't require photographer exclusivity.

We only sell one size, the original size, and each of images will cost $300 which artist gets half from.

These images will get priority in our site over the standard royalty free images.

In a nutshell, this is our version of Rights Managed files.

If you are interested, please sign up on the site and submit your work to our site. Then shoot us email at: [email protected] with subject field "Exclusive Collection" and our editors will review your images.

« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2011, 04:08 »
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I like the idea of exclusive images but I see two big problems.  Lots of people think they can take 2 fairly similar photos and have one as exclusive and the other non-exclusive.  I think it will be hard to police this, how are you going to stop this happening?

Perhaps the bigger problem is building up a big enough exclusive images collection on a new site that isn't going to have many sales yet.  I really think you would have to pay for people to lock in their images exclusively for 1 year.  It would have to be at least $5 an image to make me think about it.

« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2011, 09:36 »
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I'm in. I have, for many years now, seen the more or less constant reduction in royalties from most of the microstock agencies. The upload process at artfilmstock has been simplified and the owner seems to be listening, and acting upon, contributor recommendations. Just because this agency is new is hardly reason for me to put them aside - at one time, albeit a very very long time ago, I took my first photograph, I was new.

I have no direct control over this ventures success but I will at least support them as well as I can - and, even though it will obviously take quite some time, a single $300.00 sale (and even 50% of it) will beat most of the 'low tier' agencies that currently have my images.

Image exclusivity is acceptable to justify the price for the buyer - all my images that are LCV because I took too much 'artisric liberty' in their creation for RF will now find a home - at least I hope   :)


 

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