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Marilina

« on: June 30, 2014, 16:44 »
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we are looking for contributors!
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www.dstock.co
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 17:42 by Marilina »


ShadySue

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 17:02 »
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What benefits do you offer which are not provided by existing agencies?
Most of us here don't read Korean.

« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 18:33 »
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Most of us here don't read Korean.

Think you're on the wrong site. Try it without the "m" in .com. dstock.co

please sign up today!

I would need to know a little more about your company before I'd do that. What else can you tell us about dstock? What's the plan for marketing and promotion? How do you intend to succeed in a market already full of strong competition from companies like Shutterstock, Dreamstime, Veer, iStock, etc?
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 18:38 by EmberMike »

ShadySue

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 18:40 »
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Most of us here don't read Korean.
Think you're on the wrong site. Try it without the "m" in .com. dstock.co
Oh, strange; I got an error message with .co earlier, so assumed the m was necessary, but now I see it with .co.
Apologies for the language comment, but "What benefits do you offer which are not provided by existing agencies?" still applies, along with "what differentiates your site from existing agencies?"

ShadySue

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 19:05 »
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A lot of "There are images for this category yet. " with 'no'. missing.

I really don't understand the difference between your $6 'simple licence' and your $125 'enhanced licence'.

$6 'simple licence':
Display or make derivative works
Use it for personal projects
Use it for clients, but for one commercial client
Share with multi-seat users within same company for one commercial project
You may not use it on products or services that will be resold or promoted
You may not redistribute or sublicense content to a 3rd party

$125 'Enhanced licence':
Display or make derivative works for products or services that will be resold or promoted
Use it in advertising, annual reports, brochures, catalogues, editorial, cards, packaging, poster or print, mobile websites, applications, video, film and commercials
Unlimited production per commercial product
You may not redistribute or sublicense content to a 3rd party


What do you mean by 'display', bearing in mind the term 'promoted' (see below).

The sentence "Use it for clients, but for one commercial client" is convoluted for what I assume you mean, "Use in one commercial project only", except that again, there is that term 'promoted'.

What do you mean by 'a product or service that will be promoted'? How does that differ from the 'commercial project'? (I understand 'resold'.)

Is "United States person" a legal entity? Isn't the normal term 'citizen'?

"You may remove Content at any time provided that it does not exceed more than 25% of your uploaded Content in any 90-day period. We request this to insure Buyers experience a reasonably consistent and seamless Service. "
So effectively, a proportion of any contributor's content is held for a long time.
1000 photos.
Within 90 days, 250 pics can be removed. 750 remain.
Within the next 90 days, a further 187 can be removed (rounding down). 563 remain.
Within the next 90 days, a further 140 can be removed. 423 remain
etc etc.
The buyer might have wanted one of the 250 pics originally removed.

What do you mean by 'sublicensed' in "Content removed by a Contributor may be available for download to Buyers that previously sublicensed the removed Content." Both your simple and enhanced licences expressly forbid sublicensing.

« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 19:08 by ShadySue »

Goofy

« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 19:42 »
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we are looking for contributors!
please sign up today!
www.dstock.co


Oh, God here we go again! Let me guess- higher commissions, faster reviews and folks who truly care about us... yada yada... If only I got a quarter for each one of these claims I would be rich!  :-\

« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 19:45 by Goofy »

« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 19:44 »
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Oh, God here we go again! Let me guess- higher commissions, faster reviews and folks who truly care about us... yada yada... :-\

On the surface, it's not bad. 50% royalties, that's at least a conversation starter.

Let's hear what they have to say. If we write off everything straight away, nothing new will ever rise up out of this mess.

ShadySue

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 19:59 »
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Oh, God here we go again! Let me guess- higher commissions, faster reviews and folks who truly care about us... yada yada... :-\

On the surface, it's not bad. 50% royalties, that's at least a conversation starter.

Let's hear what they have to say. If we write off everything straight away, nothing new will ever rise up out of this mess.

... and 70% of the proceeds from the sale of an Enhanced License with Contributors.

For some reason, the Terms of Use document covers both buyers and contributors, and seems to have been written by a non-English speaker, and I doubt it has been passed under the eye of a lawyer. E.g.
"Dstock reserves the right to change pricing without prior notice or consent. Down the line the Service may allow you to purchase Simple Licenses to download Content using credits or subscription. We would like to have the flexibility to grow and adapt to product market fit." doesn't look like legal wording.
I'm absolutely all in favour of Plain English rather than legalese, but this ToU seems to be coggled together.
However, potential contributors will be glad to know that although "Dstock has the right to refuse to accept or to remove Content for any reason", they also "reserve the right to accept Content that meets our aesthetic and community standards. "

Note this clause "You also grant Dstock a worldwide, non-exclusive right to use your name, username and Content for purpose of marketing and promoting the Service without compensation to you." I remember when iS pulled this one, I thought they were just 'mean' not giving us even our percentage of the largest credit-bundle sale, but it really meant all sorts of 'marketing and promoting', including 'embedding'.

The Terms of Use (contributor's section) has an explanation of the difference between 'simple' and 'enhance' licences:
" You grant Dstock the right to sell Content through two types of sublicense:

    A Simple License granted to a Buyer for personal use or for client, to display or make derivative works for the Buyers creative project which is defined as but not limited to conceptualization, composition or comprehensive layout (collectively as comps) and finish.
    An Enhanced License granted to a Buyer to use Content or make derivative works for production in advertising, annual reports, brochures, catalogues, editorial, greeting cards, packaging, poster or print for circulation including online or mobile websites and applications, video, film, and commercials, or anything that can be considered as promoting, selling or reselling product or services, regardless of the medium used to reach Buyers end markets.

But there's that term 'sublicence' again.
What does 'and finish' mean in this context? It would seem to emply 'the completed project', which could be e.g. a company report or an advert, poster etc.

Another weird phraseology:
"By using the Service you consent to our Privacy Policy . Dstock cares about the security of your personal information and protecting it from unauthorized 3rd party attacks and use. You acknowledge that Dstock cannot guarantee our security defense free from defeat and that you provide personal information at your own risk."
Is that an auto-translation?

Caveat venditor.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 20:03 by ShadySue »

« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 22:30 »
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I took a look at your web site - as noted above, there is currently only a small amount of content. It's also all very small - 620 pixels on the long edge on the items I checked out. Is that because of the cheap price for the simple license? But if so, who is going to pay $125 for an enhanced license for such a tiny image?

And the vectors are also $6. The ones on the site are so simple, that's not an unfair price, but for a more complex vector, I can't see why anyone would sell it so cheaply.

Then there's the notion that contributors have to upload in collections, with a minimum number of images:

"You upload Content as Collections. A Collection has a minimum of 4 images executed in the same medium, style and theme, and you may have multiple Collections"

Are you really after drawings and paintings, not photographs?

The big thing is that you haven't said anything about your plans for this agency and marketing it to buyers. I think you'll need to put in a bit more effort to explain to us why we would want to upload content on your site than "we are looking for contributors! please sign up today!"

If there's a language barrier, perhaps you know someone who can translate what you want to say into English.

« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2014, 21:47 »
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And the OP is gone. Guess that says enough about what dstock is all about. Pop in, ask for contributors, don't answer questions, and leave.


« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 22:36 »
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And the OP is gone. Guess that says enough about what dstock is all about. Pop in, ask for contributors, don't answer questions, and leave.

Bizarre.

The site is up and there are a couple of new items. Perhaps the OP didn't understand the audience here and we weren't what the site was looking for - but it would have been polite to say so and then depart, versus just vanish.

« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2014, 13:41 »
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I emailed the OP. Turns out it was a misunderstanding. I think they're going to come back and answer questions about dstock.

« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2014, 15:57 »
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So I've had a really good email exchange today with Ben and Marilina at dstock. As much as it seemed like things got off on the wrong foot here, ultimately I think they are really on the right track with launching something that may prove to be very interesting.

It turns out that Marilina may have gotten a little ahead of herself with announcing dstock here. They really weren't ready to reveal the site, and I think it's easy to see why. There is still a lot of work to be done. But they are doing it, and they will be back here at MSG when the time is right and dstock is ready for a proper (re)introduction.

I wouldn't write this one off. It may have been a rocky reveal here but I really like some of the things that Ben told me today about what they are doing and what their priorities are, and although I don't want to say too much from what was discussed in private emails, I think most folks here will be a lot more happy with dstock when it really starts to come together.



 

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