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ShadySue

« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2014, 19:13 »
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@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, its not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense..   :)  But re Getty, I think its rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts.
...
But Im getting back to being creative now..   ;)
Is that 'creative/economical with the truth'?
When what you should really be saying is, "you'll get 50% of what we get, but we're not telling you what that is. And anyway, some sales at Getty are really low, so manage your expectations."
For the record, I get 20% of Getty sales, and my share has been as low as 40 cents.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2014, 20:41 by ShadySue »


« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2014, 19:52 »
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Well, Michael already has files on getty. maybe when a designer he knows buys one of his files, he can share with us what percentage he got.

I am sure many people would like to know what they can realistically expect.

I also didn't here from eyem that they think artists will be getting more than 10%. I mean if they had managed to negotiate a brilliant 40% deal for RF content (which would translate to 20% for their own artists ) wouldn't they at least want to give an indication that earnings through them will be an excellent deal?

Or at least higher than uploading the images to istock as normal indie content and get 15% plus income from any other site that takes them? They are not working in a vacuum if they want to attract good artists, they will have to explain how they want to bring in the money to attract the interesting people.

I like the 6 months exclusivity. At least files won't be tied in forever. I'd say that is a real improvement.

Fotolia might be offering files for 3 credits, but the files are not exclusive, so you can go and earn money wherever else you want with them. Is it a better offer? I have no idea. But since the images are not exclusive you can get income from several channels for your files.

And if the volume is higher I wouldn't be surprised if returns are similar to 10% from a normal getty sale. Obviously I am not thinking of the list prices but the real average sales.

But now I am curious about their own marketplace. The prices they choose, the strategies they will follow. And the most important: do they know how to sell? ;)

stocksy set a great example how a newcomer can find their place and grow rapidly in an overcrowded stock market.

What kind of experiences will the eyeem artists have? Will shooting smartphone stock become a part time or maybe even full time source of income? Is the assignement work from Red Bull, lufthansa etc...that they offer lucrative? Better than Imagebrief? Or can you realistically build a shoot around it? What are the chances of getting selected...usw...

So following eyeem as a German agency will be really interesting. :)

« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2014, 18:13 »
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The EyeEm Market is now working for the photographer side, and just end of last week I saw the first of my images showing up on the Getty Images site as part of the EyeEm collection.

I was asked to write down my experiences with the EyeEm market and how things work over there. In case you are interested, here is the article now: http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/


Hello Michael, I know this is an old post, but since it is now several months since you posted this, wondering how you are finding the EyeEm market on Getty? I have some photos sitting in limbo which have been selected for the Getty collection, but which I have not approved yet. I was waiting for EyeEm to launch their own market, but this keeps getting delayed. Any updated thoughts?

« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2014, 09:25 »
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The EyeEm Market is now working for the photographer side, and just end of last week I saw the first of my images showing up on the Getty Images site as part of the EyeEm collection.

I was asked to write down my experiences with the EyeEm market and how things work over there. In case you are interested, here is the article now: http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/


Hello Michael, I know this is an old post, but since it is now several months since you posted this, wondering how you are finding the EyeEm market on Getty? I have some photos sitting in limbo which have been selected for the Getty collection, but which I have not approved yet. I was waiting for EyeEm to launch their own market, but this keeps getting delayed. Any updated thoughts?


Hey there, someone pointed me to this thread. Unfortunately I'm not on MSG regularly these days, so if you have questions to me personally, my blog (and all the social media channels attached to it) is the best way to get in touch.  ;)

However, since I found it now: I can't tell you a lot more as I don't know any details of the progress yet. It's all a startup thing, so I'm pretty patient. I have some 120 images approved for the market, 110 of them supposed to go to Getty and 80 made it there.

From the images I have at Getty, I can see they are priced within the usual price range, no discount because it was shot with a mobile. Check one out here as an example: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/directly-above-shot-of-pasta-on-table-royalty-free-image/511833425

I have found one of my images in use a couple of weeks ago but as we all know, selling through Getty can take some time until the money arrives. And we won't be able to draw any conclusions as Getty is often discounting images heavily for larger buyers...

But given the standard prices, I'll be happy if some of my images sell every now and then. It's basically not the kind of image I would plan to shoot or invest money in. It's just on top of the regular stock images, random shots I find somewhere or experiments with the mobile.

« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2014, 11:08 »
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@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, its not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense..   :)  But re Getty, I think its rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts.
...
But Im getting back to being creative now..   ;)
Is that 'creative/economical with the truth'?
When what you should really be saying is, "you'll get 50% of what we get, but we're not telling you what that is. And anyway, some sales at Getty are really low, so manage your expectations."
For the record, I get 20% of Getty sales, and my share has been as low as 40 cents.

Mine as low as 6 cents

ShadySue

« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2014, 11:34 »
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Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.  Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2014, 04:08 »
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Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.  Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

Yes... sooooo...?

I can't change my username nor do I do the programming for the Getty website as you most likely know. No point in telling me that things don't work as they should.  ::)

ShadySue

« Reply #32 on: October 05, 2014, 07:50 »
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Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.  Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

Yes... sooooo...?

I can't change my username nor do I do the programming for the Getty website as you most likely know. No point in telling me that things don't work as they should.  ::)
True, but if I can't do it, n either can a buyer, and I thought you might have access to a forum or somewhere to report the issue.
OTOH, maybe Getty are no more inclined than iS to fix site issues.  :(

« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2014, 16:13 »
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People who are involved: any sales?

« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2015, 11:16 »
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People who are involved: any sales?

Nobody?  ???

« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2015, 11:49 »
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I received 11 dollars in the first month, 52 in the second,5 dollars in the third. From around 100 images over on getty in the eyeem collection there. around 80% got chosen for getty, but all files will be available in their own marketplace.

But the eyeem marketplace hasnt opened yet, so I have no idea what to expect, i dont even know what price points they will have.

So at the moment I am sending content which the normal agencies wouldnt take - files with very strong smartphone filters, files that have less than 3 mp etc...

My selection is not very systematic, it is a fun side project at this time.

I dont think any of the files I send have a chance of becoming bestsellers or will turn into high volume sales. If I thought they did I would send them elsewhere.

The app is extremely easy and fun to use, so if they do get their marketplace going I can see quite a bit of my work going to eyeem because the upload is easy. But they still have to prove they can sell from their own site and it will take most of the year to understand where eyeem is going and how much time and attention they should get.

Also at the moment they have a smaller group of photographers. Once their marketplace opens, i expect them to turn on the flood, but we will see, maybe they have a plan for that.

But they take all my overfiltered stuff that nobody else likes, which makes me happy.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2015, 11:55 by cobalt »

« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2015, 00:27 »
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I received 11 dollars in the first month, 52 in the second,5 dollars in the third. From around 100 images over on getty in the eyeem collection there. around 80% got chosen for getty, but all files will be available in their own marketplace.

But the eyeem marketplace hasnt opened yet, so I have no idea what to expect, i dont even know what price points they will have.

So at the moment I am sending content which the normal agencies wouldnt take - files with very strong smartphone filters, files that have less than 3 mp etc...

My selection is not very systematic, it is a fun side project at this time.

I dont think any of the files I send have a chance of becoming bestsellers or will turn into high volume sales. If I thought they did I would send them elsewhere.

The app is extremely easy and fun to use, so if they do get their marketplace going I can see quite a bit of my work going to eyeem because the upload is easy. But they still have to prove they can sell from their own site and it will take most of the year to understand where eyeem is going and how much time and attention they should get.

Also at the moment they have a smaller group of photographers. Once their marketplace opens, i expect them to turn on the flood, but we will see, maybe they have a plan for that.

But they take all my overfiltered stuff that nobody else likes, which makes me happy.

Hi Jasmin,

Are this sales from over filtered images, lightly filtered or without?

« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2015, 03:10 »
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All are filternd with strong Smartphone filters and would have been rejected on istock under istocks old standards.

but this doesn't mean that normal photos don't sell, I simply don't have many normal images in what I send there.

So perhaps normal images would sell better on Getty, who knows?

It is much too early to draw any conclusions IMO. And Getty is not the interesting place for me, it is their own marketplace, which hasn't opened yet, that interests me.

If you are looking for good sales from Getty, then I would of course shoot more images with Models in a modern environemnt, maybe with the common outdoor against the sun, or faded 70's look...

You can try to just upload normal stock and see if they take it and if it sells. i am stickig to "Stuff I can't sell elsewhere" until the eyeem marketplace opens.

Perhaps try to follow their "Missions" that might be specific content Getty is looking for.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 03:14 by cobalt »

« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2015, 03:37 »
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All are filternd with strong Smartphone filters and would have been rejected on istock under istocks old standards.

but this doesn't mean that normal photos don't sell, I simply don't have many normal images in what I send there.

So perhaps normal images would sell better on Getty, who knows?

It is much too early to draw any conclusions IMO. And Getty is not the interesting place for me, it is their own marketplace, which hasn't opened yet, that interests me.

If you are looking for good sales from Getty, then I would of course shoot more images with Models in a modern environemnt, maybe with the common outdoor against the sun, or faded 70's look...

You can try to just upload normal stock and see if they take it and if it sells. i am stickig to "Stuff I can't sell elsewhere" until the eyeem marketplace opens.

Perhaps try to follow their "Missions" that might be specific content Getty is looking for.

But the files that went to Getty are exclusive to Getty, arent they? So they wont even be availabe on the marketplace...?

And can you tell if you got 10% for those Getty sales - or what percentage is it?


« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2015, 03:54 »
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no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

the only real difference is that the files that move to getty can only be removed after 6 months, while the files that are only on eyeem can be removed anytime. I have done that a few times, because I changed my mind a few times and decided the file was "too normal" and I sent it elsewhere.

I dont know the percentage that I am getting on getty, but the lowest I have had is 5 dollars, which is unusual. From my time on getty I remember there were lots of much smaller returns. So maybe they have a deal where you get more when it is a low value sale, or there is some kind of lower limit and less if it is higher? again, I have no idea, in total I have had 6 sales, you really cant make any assumptions from that. The highest was 42 dollars, which isnt bad. The average now is around 11 dollars. That is more than my average as an istock exclusive for normal main collection content. And again...only 6 sales...really not enough data for any kind of projection...

But for me whatever comes from getty should just be the add on, not the main income. I sincerly hope that their own marketplace will be the main focus and the majority of their money.

However, since the images I am sending now couldnt be sold elswehere, even if I only got 10% from getty it would still be more than not selling them at all. And if the lowest return is really 5 dollars, that is much better than a sub sale. Again, maybe there are lower sales for some people and I simply havent had them yet.

So it is all total speculation. Until their own marketplace gets going, we are working in a cloud of mystery.

Ill stick to the "fun images that cant go elsewhere" and enjoy the journey. But I am not planning my financial stock life on them.

It is fun, it adds some money. no stress.

eta: this is the image I got 42 dollars for. I doubt it would have been accepted anywhere else and I dont believe it is killer bestseller. I got lucky once and maybe this is the only sale this image will ever see.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/43060982

eta2: most of the images I have on eyeem are not in their marketplace. I am enjoying the app and just send whatever I like for fun and the community. Some of these images are available elsewhere as stock. So I am using eyeem as a mix of fun,showcase and to test the reactions to different smartphone filters on a series.  For me that has been the most valuable info, because I can use that for my regular stock work.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 04:07 by cobalt »

« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2015, 04:23 »
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The future will show us more, but what I can say now is that I like Eyeem and it is so easy to upload.

« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2015, 04:34 »
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no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

the only real difference is that the files that move to getty can only be removed after 6 months, while the files that are only on eyeem can be removed anytime. I have done that a few times, because I changed my mind a few times and decided the file was "too normal" and I sent it elsewhere.

I dont know the percentage that I am getting on getty, but the lowest I have had is 5 dollars, which is unusual. From my time on getty I remember there were lots of much smaller returns. So maybe they have a deal where you get more when it is a low value sale, or there is some kind of lower limit and less if it is higher? again, I have no idea, in total I have had 6 sales, you really cant make any assumptions from that. The highest was 42 dollars, which isnt bad. The average now is around 11 dollars. That is more than my average as an istock exclusive for normal main collection content. And again...only 6 sales...really not enough data for any kind of projection...

But for me whatever comes from getty should just be the add on, not the main income. I sincerly hope that their own marketplace will be the main focus and the majority of their money.

However, since the images I am sending now couldnt be sold elswehere, even if I only got 10% from getty it would still be more than not selling them at all. And if the lowest return is really 5 dollars, that is much better than a sub sale. Again, maybe there are lower sales for some people and I simply havent had them yet.

So it is all total speculation. Until their own marketplace gets going, we are working in a cloud of mystery.

Ill stick to the "fun images that cant go elsewhere" and enjoy the journey. But I am not planning my financial stock life on them.

It is fun, it adds some money. no stress.

eta: this is the image I got 42 dollars for. I doubt it would have been accepted anywhere else and I dont believe it is killer bestseller. I got lucky once and maybe this is the only sale this image will ever see.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/43060982

eta2: most of the images I have on eyeem are not in their marketplace. I am enjoying the app and just send whatever I like for fun and the community. Some of these images are available elsewhere as stock. So I am using eyeem as a mix of fun,showcase and to test the reactions to different smartphone filters on a series.  For me that has been the most valuable info, because I can use that for my regular stock work.

Oh, I think youre returns are great! I was just trying to get some information, so thanks for that.

Maybe Im a bit dim, but how do you tag your images? You can type some text but thats not searchable, is it? So only those "groups" are searchable keywords?

« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2015, 05:29 »
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no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2015, 06:30 »
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no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2015, 06:35 »
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People who are involved: any sales?

Nobody?  ???

Yes, I had several sales. All of them on images that were too small and/or too overfiltered to be accepted anywhere else (well, except maybe some microstock which accept everything these days...).

Sales are valued much higher than what I get from microstock, $5 and above in royalty. As we don't know how much they were effectively sold for, we can't be sure about percentages. But I have had several sales that were far above what my best selling mobile images in microstock have made me to date.

« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2015, 06:47 »
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no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

Really??

You see, you learn something new every day. But it still means I have to send them content that is new and isnt available elsewhere. because if it gets selected it is exclusive. But this would mean that the files they dont select for getty could go to other smartphone collections, like fotolia or shutterstock. Or maybe I process a second batch without smartphone filters to make them sellable elsewhere.

But how will they encourage people to prefer the eyeem marketplace over gettyimages?

I would have thought that having more exclusive content of smartphone style images was the attraction.

Anyway, it is an interesting place and I wish them well. And yes, for the first 3 months and 100 files the returns are good. But I sincerly hope that making money from their own marketplace is what they are really going for and that it will be much more money then what they can get via getty.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 07:00 by cobalt »

« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2015, 06:58 »
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Maybe Im a bit dim, but how do you tag your images? You can type some text but thats not searchable, is it? So only those "groups" are searchable keywords?

I just add a few of these group tags, I dont see any other way to add keywords, title or description. The files for getty are described and keyworded by getty, but apparently the keyworders dont have any file info. So I am getting some weird descriptions and keywording:

"View of calm beach against clear sky"

but the picture is from the desert Wadi Rum in Jordan, no sea anywhere near it or in the picture. If it is not keyworded with Jordan and wadi rum nobody will buy it.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/42669494

Most of the other files have good keywording and descriptions.

I havent written to them to have it changed, I am waiting until they have everything ready and their own marketplace is set up. They must give us better tools eventually. Also stockperformer integration etc...but since they are in Berlin, I am sure they will talk to Luis and Oliver at some point.
« Last Edit: February 08, 2015, 07:02 by cobalt »

« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2015, 09:00 »
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no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

You see, you learn something new every day. But it still means I have to send them content that is new and isnt available elsewhere. because if it gets selected it is exclusive. But this would mean that the files they dont select for getty could go to other smartphone collections, like fotolia or shutterstock. Or maybe I process a second batch without smartphone filters to make them sellable elsewhere.


I upload firstly to Eyeem and after the Getty selection and my personal selection for Getty(I try to be a small quantity) I go to the second step and upload to Fotolia and the others.

I became interested on the smart phone collection in Shutterstock. How it works?
I've tried to upload several times mobile images to Shutterstock and all rejected due the technical problems(I use iPhone 6+) After that I ask them why and the response was to not use the Shutterstock mobile application for to upload mobile images, but to upload images "taken by a professional camera". I do not know to smile or to cry, I did not expect this kind of response from Shutterstock when they have upload option for images in their mobile app. Am I missing something?

« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2015, 11:02 »
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Maybe ask in their forums. But a smartphone Upload App that doesn't like images taken with smartphones is weird.

« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2015, 14:19 »
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Maybe ask in their forums. But a smartphone Upload App that doesn't like images taken with smartphones is weird.

To me too. I hope this will have evaluation soon, it is not normal Shutterstock to lag behind in terms of mobile photography.


 

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