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« Reply #50 on: April 12, 2009, 10:26 »
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I want to ask the same question, in micro stock industry, we as photographers/contributors, We are looking in the end for getting sales and making money... So what is the problem to upload on new agencies if they are legal (not like thos scams who install nulled script and start inviting artists for nothing :().. Why are you afraid from new agency!  ???

regards

Maybe because none of the new sites from the past 2-3 years delivered on their promises.
Sure, they can live with what they sell, some even survive for years to come,  but for the submitters, that is us, the cake has to be split in to many parts to be profitable.

Patrick H.


« Reply #51 on: April 12, 2009, 10:52 »
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I agree with you, If an agency does not split the cake with submitter of course they will fail .. :'(

RT


« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2009, 12:27 »
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I want to ask the same question, in micro stock industry, we as photographers/contributors, We are looking in the end for getting sales and making money... So what is the problem to upload on new agencies if they are legal (not like thos scams who install nulled script and start inviting artists for nothing :().. Why are you afraid from new agency!  ???

regards

Because there are already a number of successful sites where we can make sales and money, you haven't discovered an untapped supply of buyers because there isn't one, all serious image buyers already know of the existing sites and most will probably have accounts with them. So my question to you is what have you got to offer that both we (contributors) and the buyers haven't already got.

Other than that uploading to a new site would just be a waste of valuable time, and any sales would have just been diluted from another site.

The one and only way to start a new successful microstock site would be to ONLY select images from the worlds top contributors on an exclusive basis, and I'm sorry but that would only work if the person who's starting the site is a well established and known 'name' in the industry, otherwise nobody would bother.

So to answer your question "What is the problem with uploading to a new agency" my answer would be - The industry doesn't need another agency just like the one's that already exist and you're not offering anything new.

« Reply #53 on: April 12, 2009, 12:28 »
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I want to ask the same question, in micro stock industry, we as photographers/contributors, We are looking in the end for getting sales and making money... So what is the problem to upload on new agencies if they are legal (not like thos scams who install nulled script and start inviting artists for nothing :().. Why are you afraid from new agency!  ???

regards

Maybe because none of the new sites from the past 2-3 years delivered on their promises.
Sure, they can live with what they sell, some even survive for years to come,  but for the submitters, that is us, the cake has to be split in to many parts to be profitable.

Patrick H.
Hi Patrick,
From my point of view I think the artists or photographers will loose nothing if they would try new agency, they will be more exposed to the market, yeah, I know they may waste their time in the other side the new agency is wasting much more time and money to advertise for their arts, and if it works, both parts will benefits, and if does not work, for sure one part will loose more (the agency part, because they put effort and money, our case here :) ) , so I guess in such results, better to not put all the blame on the photo stock agency. Don't you share similar view ?

« Reply #54 on: April 12, 2009, 13:07 »
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(I did just post an answer, and was going to eat with my family :D I saw your answer, I couldn't wait to answer)
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Because there are already a number of successful sites where we can make sales and money, you haven't discovered an untapped supply of buyers because there isn't one, all serious image buyers already know of the existing sites and most will probably have accounts with them. So my question to you is what have you got to offer that both we (contributors) and the buyers haven't already got.
those few successful sites what you see today, they are the lucky one whom rule the market, what about the small agency who fade away after putting effort and time and money ? you do not see them, they are like unknown soldiers... I am sure many of you did start with small agency, they were not sure in the beginning about if this online stock photo idea will work or not (I speak for people who were in the very begin of this business, if there is one here please share your experience) and due to a small agency - who offer more profits just to get place beside famous stock agency - they start to smell money, and to realize that virtual can also work, and maybe more then real world, so I am sure after that, they got the energy to look more and try more agency etc... the result unknown photographer makes more money and become known and small agency become famous or die, in both cases always the contributors are the winners. About the buyers, they never got enough otherwise why they would look for new agency ?
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Other than that uploading to a new site would just be a waste of valuable time, and any sales would have just been diluted from another site.
Still contributors winners in the end :)
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The one and only way to start a new successful microstock site would be to ONLY select images from the worlds top contributors on an exclusive basis,
   For sure this is right, but isn't in another way limiting the creativity and the art ONLY in the hand of who are already famous ? Do you know how many skilled people are unknown just because of such system ? at least, how many amateurs lost the faith to continue the way, because someone is keeping telling them what ever you do, you will never be successful!
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and I'm sorry but that would only work if the person who's starting the site is a well established and known 'name' in the industry, otherwise nobody would bother.
who is known "today" it happen that people forget him tomorrow and who is unknown today could be famous tomorrow. To make things not so serious, if you are roland-garros fun (:D as I am) check who was the supporter of the tournaments just 10 or 15 years ago,  some unknown name for teenagers nowadays!
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So to answer your question "What is the problem with uploading to a new agency" my answer would be - The industry doesn't need another agency just like the one's that already exist and you're not offering anything new.
Then it is the end of history :D as we do not need anymore new shops because we already have millions of shops selling everything, why to bother even to be contributors if already there are already 1000's in the market? If you will agree that every photographer has its own touch, then for sure you can't deny that also agency has their own touch ;)

« Reply #55 on: April 12, 2009, 13:28 »
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I want to ask the same question, in micro stock industry, we as photographers/contributors, We are looking in the end for getting sales and making money... So what is the problem to upload on new agencies if they are legal (not like thos scams who install nulled script and start inviting artists for nothing :().. Why are you afraid from new agency!  ???

regards

Maybe because none of the new sites from the past 2-3 years delivered on their promises.
Sure, they can live with what they sell, some even survive for years to come,  but for the submitters, that is us, the cake has to be split in to many parts to be profitable.

Patrick H.
Hi Patrick,
From my point of view I think the artists or photographers will loose nothing if they would try new agency, they will be more exposed to the market, yeah, I know they may waste their time in the other side the new agency is wasting much more time and money to advertise for their arts, and if it works, both parts will benefits, and if does not work, for sure one part will loose more (the agency part, because they put effort and money, our case here :) ) , so I guess in such results, better to not put all the blame on the photo stock agency. Don't you share similar view ?

Nope i don't.
Most of "your" money will come from earnings on our images.  Your initial cost is starting and primary advertising.
It takes time to upload your portfolio to a new site.  It takes money to upload to a new site (bandwith cost).  Before you ask, i do not sent dvd's with my images.  That way they would be put online at once... and i prefer gradually uploading to maintain a constant exposure.
However, seeing the same "big" names on almost every front page of stock sites isn't very encouraging uploading to a new site, considering you will most probably  do the same to attract customers, and by doing so  degrade the good amateur and less known pros (a lot of them with great work and portfolio) to second grade submitters, restriction exposure, leading to less sales.

As some have mentioned already, Do you have something new or unique to offer..?..
Not from my point of view.

Those are the main reasons i stay away from new sites, at least until they have proved they are worth it.

Regards,

Patrick H.

« Reply #56 on: April 12, 2009, 13:35 »
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Those are the main reasons i stay away from new sites, at least until they have proved they are worth it.

Regards,

Patrick H.
Well, only time can say :)

« Reply #57 on: April 12, 2009, 13:58 »
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Im no big fan of giant agencies with subs and low comission.  Id love for someone like you or the 30 or so others to survive and sell photos for good money.     Are you in it for the money only or do you have a genuine interest for photography?  

Test:  wich aperture gives shortest dof.   2.8 or 8  ?   :D



« Reply #58 on: April 12, 2009, 14:03 »
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Are you in it for the money only or do you have a genuine interest for photography?

No they got funding from a Finnish near-government agency for innovative startups.  :P

Test:  wich aperture gives shortest dof.   2.8 or 8  ?   :D

What's DOF? Oh righty, Department Of Funding.  ;D

« Reply #59 on: April 12, 2009, 14:14 »
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No they got funding from a Finnish near-government agency for innovative startups.  :P
HOW DO YOU KNOW :D Smile :D
I hope you were not that big ugly man, ( working security in the first floor ) who is always keeping me waiting all the time to get some paper :D :D :D


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What's DOF? Oh righty, Department Of Funding.  ;D
I am sure you are not that big ugly man :D because he wouldn't be able to give such answer :D
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 14:15 by fotomina »

« Reply #60 on: April 12, 2009, 14:26 »
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HOW DO YOU KNOW :D Smile :D

My real day job is being a spy.  :o
I am sure you are not that big ugly man :D because he wouldn't get such answer :D

As Sun Tzu said in Sūn Zǐ Bīng Fǎ (The Art of War) : 兵不厭詐。or All warfare is based on deception. You can only deceive by telling believable lies or unbelievable truths.  ::)

Information gathering is practical intelligence. In your first version, you left some comment codes. I found where you got the code and Googling I found the rest. Piece of cake for a spie  ;D

So do you know the answer to Magnum's question?  ;)
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 14:33 by FlemishDreams »

gbcimages

« Reply #61 on: April 12, 2009, 14:46 »
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I can already see the demise of the agency,most contributors are turned off.

« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2009, 15:02 »
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I can already see the demise of the agency,most contributors are turned off.

Of course not. Standing our teasing is part of the exam ;-)
The big plus is 10$, no subs, 70%+
They still need to do a lot of coding work though.
Superfast MRF attach, FTP, proper search engine.

Everybody is craving to get out of the 0.19$ cent subs sites, so why those that try it not giving a chance?
But their road ahead is long and hard.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 15:04 by FlemishDreams »

gbcimages

« Reply #63 on: April 12, 2009, 15:12 »
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their chance is slim,if any, I'll take a look a year from now and see where their at.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 15:16 by gbcimages »

gbcimages

« Reply #64 on: April 12, 2009, 15:25 »
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look at FP,MP,CC,YAY,and several others,anyone making any real $ at these .Contributors wants to make money not waste time with a lot of new agencies that talk a lot.

« Reply #65 on: April 12, 2009, 15:42 »
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Yes I do ;), I love photography and by the way I am a Photographer, a Graphic design, an Illustrator and a Web designer in the same time. I will not say I am the best.. ::) but I know about the industry.

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Test:  wich aperture gives shortest dof.   2.8 or 8  ?   Cheesy
2.8 , Thank you Magnum for this test :o

I think maybe one day I will publish this thread as book and I will sell it on Amazon  ;D, let say "The Story behind Fotomina..", "The biggest contributor's war" or maybe "learn who to open a new Micro stock site for dummies" ;D ...

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Most of "your" money will come from earnings on our images.

True but, actually, you as contributor, you will take sharp shots and then you will upload them and then wait for Photo Sold, etc. And you need to know that your images will be sold because their are very nice, then because of our marketing: we will pay a lot money for advertising (Google sponsored results, Mailing list, banners, Phone Calls, Direct client contacts, Search Engine Optimization, etc.), we are paying TAXs, we are paying for a server and we are paying a domain name, we are paying for scripts and updates, we are paying for reviewers All that to Showcase Your Photos on our Website and get money and since we will get only 50%, 35% or 25 %  we are not simply earn from your images... :(

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It takes time to upload your portfolio to a new site.
It will not takes to upload your portfolio, we are offering FTP access  ;D it means you can include IPTC and then upload your images via FTP software and then you can have a coffee if you have a good connection or you can sleep then after 10 hours your portfolio will be uploaded.. We will make the review and we will chose the category for you.. ;)

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considering you will most probably  do the same to attract customers,
I will not give you the plan to attract customers...

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Those are the main reasons i stay away from new sites, at least until they have proved they are worth it.

Let me tell you something...
I used internet more than 13 years now, in 1999 AltaVista was the best Web search engine, we knows only about him, Yahoo and Alltheweb at this time... When I find Google search engine, I was saying: Whats this why its not colourful like yahoo or like AltaVista and I never use it for more than 5 search, Now my 2 years old daughter know Google...

Istockphoto was founded  in May 2000 (purchased by getty for $50million in 2006)
Shutterstock was founded in 2003
Fotolia was founded in November 2004
Dreamstime Founded in 2004 (before they sell CDs from 2000)
Now we are 2009, we are not very far...

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Patrick H.

Thank you

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What's DOF? Oh righty, Department Of Funding.
No Comment ... :-\

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I can already see the demise of the agency,most contributors are turned off.
They are not turned off... You asked me to delete you are account, because we did not approve your uploaded images. If you want, I can tell you here why they where not approved...

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their chance is slim,if any, I'll take a look a year from now and see where their at.
Maybe  ::)

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look at FP,MP,CC,YAY,and several others,anyone making any real $ at these .Contributors wants to make money not waste time with a lot of new agencies that talk a lot.

We are not talking a lot... We are just giving answers...

Regards...

WarrenPrice

« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2009, 15:46 »
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I may be in a unique position.  Being retired, time is of little importanct ... other than days left to experiment with stock photography,

Will Fotomina be accepting "Editorial Images?"  My motocross legends photography includes an image of Heikki Mikkola.   ;D

« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2009, 15:52 »
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I may be in a unique position.  Being retired, time is of little importanct ... other than days left to experiment with stock photography,

Will Fotomina be accepting "Editorial Images?"  My motocross legends photography includes an image of Heikki Mikkola.   ;D

Yes we accept Editorial Images... You are welcome .. ;D

gbcimages

« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2009, 15:53 »
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enough said on my part,we'll wait and see!

« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2009, 16:03 »
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enough said on my part,we'll wait and see!

No, the game just started... I registered and when I went to "upload", I got this:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 268435456 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 134217801 bytes) in /home/fotomina/public_html/admin/function/mysqldb.php on line 4

Well at least I know what Linux version the server is on now ;-)
« Last Edit: April 12, 2009, 16:36 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2009, 16:07 »
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enough said on my part,we'll wait and see!


No, the game just started... I registered and when I went to "upload", I got this:

Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 268435456 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 134217801 bytes) in /home/fotomina/public_html/admin/function/mysqldb.php on line 4

Well at least I know what Linux version the server is on now ;-)



 ;D See we already put FOTOMINA Beta on our logo, so be more comprehensive, some artits already uploaded more than 300 images now  ;D

By the way, you are always talking about SEO, I want to let you know that we are online since 3 weeks and we are on the first and second page result on google.com for those search:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sell+stock+vector&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stock+photography+vectors+illustrations&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?q=photography+vector&hl=en&start=10&sa=N
http://www.google.com/search?q=giraffe+closeup&hl=en&start=20&sa=N

And I will write you other result on the futur ...

 ;D

gbcimages

« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2009, 16:10 »
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Yes I do ;), I love photography and by the way I am a Photographer, a Graphic design, an Illustrator and a Web designer in the same time. I will not say I am the best.. ::) but I know about the industry.

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Test:  wich aperture gives shortest dof.   2.8 or 8  ?   Cheesy
2.8 , Thank you Magnum for this test :o

I think maybe one day I will publish this thread as book and I will sell it on Amazon  ;D, let say "The Story behind Fotomina..", "The biggest contributor's war" or maybe "learn who to open a new Micro stock site for dummies" ;D ...

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Most of "your" money will come from earnings on our images.

True but, actually, you as contributor, you will take sharp shots and then you will upload them and then wait for Photo Sold, etc. And you need to know that your images will be sold because their are very nice, then because of our marketing: we will pay a lot money for advertising (Google sponsored results, Mailing list, banners, Phone Calls, Direct client contacts, Search Engine Optimization, etc.), we are paying TAXs, we are paying for a server and we are paying a domain name, we are paying for scripts and updates, we are paying for reviewers All that to Showcase Your Photos on our Website and get money and since we will get only 50%, 35% or 25 %  we are not simply earn from your images... :(

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It takes time to upload your portfolio to a new site.
It will not takes to upload your portfolio, we are offering FTP access  ;D it means you can include IPTC and then upload your images via FTP software and then you can have a coffee if you have a good connection or you can sleep then after 10 hours your portfolio will be uploaded.. We will make the review and we will chose the category for you.. ;)

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considering you will most probably  do the same to attract customers,
I will not give you the plan to attract customers...

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Those are the main reasons i stay away from new sites, at least until they have proved they are worth it.

Let me tell you something...
I used internet more than 13 years now, in 1999 AltaVista was the best Web search engine, we knows only about him, Yahoo and Alltheweb at this time... When I find Google search engine, I was saying: Whats this why its not colourful like yahoo or like AltaVista and I never use it for more than 5 search, Now my 2 years old daughter know Google...

Istockphoto was founded  in May 2000 (purchased by getty for $50million in 2006)
Shutterstock was founded in 2003
Fotolia was founded in November 2004
Dreamstime Founded in 2004 (before they sell CDs from 2000)
Now we are 2009, we are not very far...

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Patrick H.

Thank you

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What's DOF? Oh righty, Department Of Funding.
No Comment ... :-\

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I can already see the demise of the agency,most contributors are turned off.
They are not turned off... You asked me to delete you are account, because we did not approve your uploaded images. If you want, I can tell you here why they where not approved...

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their chance is slim,if any, I'll take a look a year from now and see where their at.
Maybe  ::)

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look at FP,MP,CC,YAY,and several others,anyone making any real $ at these .Contributors wants to make money not waste time with a lot of new agencies that talk a lot.

We are not talking a lot... We are just giving answers...

Regards...

those same images that I uploaded are selling at other agencies. people sometime will buy a photo regardless of the quality. You have to test the water. I'm just saying,you shouldn't be so picky for a new agency,that's not going to help you at all.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2009, 16:18 »
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you shouldn't be so picky for a new agency,that's not going to help you at all.

I think I disagree.  A new agency has to offer the highest possible quality to get buyer's attention ... and respect, even if it means slow growth.


« Reply #73 on: April 12, 2009, 16:20 »
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2.8 is correct.    ;)    This shows you were able to follow Flemish link...


« Reply #74 on: April 12, 2009, 16:24 »
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2.8 is correct.    ;)    This shows you were able to follow Flemish link...

I did not follow any link.. >:( Let me ask you a question: What we call "nice shot" in photographer language? Who we call nice lenses?


 

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