Author Topic: GraphicStock.com? (Read 43025 times)

Ron · « **Reply #25 on:** September 14, 2013, 06:59 »

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 06:14

Quote from: Ron on September 14, 2013, 06:02
Is it likely that those 7000 files are going to make 15 thousand dollar on that site when you would upload them there yourself? If the answer is no, then take it.
No, I can't upload files by myself. Here it doesn't work like on the other sites - no commision. They pay me $15,000.00 in exchange for the perpetual rights of the files and than I' m done with them. Then, they can do whatever they want with the files sell for 100$ or give it for free it's their choice.

I understand, what I am trying to say is, is it likely that those files would make you 15k in a life time on a similar site? If not...

Noedelhap · « **Reply #26 on:** September 14, 2013, 07:25 »

$2,14 per file is an extremely low amount.

$15,000 as a whole is a nice sum, but think about what they'll earn. Even if HALF of your portfolio sells for $5 an image/year (which seems likely), they'll make $17,500 a year. That's a $2,500 profit in the first year alone. Then think about how they can distribute your portfolio forever. Compared to that, your $15,000 looks like a cheap bargain.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 14, 2013, 07:54 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on September 14, 2013, 07:25

$2,14 per file is an extremely low amount.

$15,000 as a whole is a nice sum, but think about what they'll earn. Even if HALF of your portfolio sells for $5 an image/year (which seems likely), they'll make $17,500 a year. That's a $2,500 profit in the first year alone. Then think about how they can distribute your portfolio forever. Compared to that, your $15,000 looks like a cheap bargain.

looks like a cheap bargain indeed but where will they sell it? must be SS because that is the only place I have climbed to those numbers but don't we have portfolio already there? if not I believe we can find out using TinEye and try uploading ourselves no?

what places will they sell our work? (that is the question)

and perhaps for how much too, for free could be potentially harmful but then how would they recover the investment?

fritz · « **Reply #28 on:** September 14, 2013, 08:06 »

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luissantos84 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 14, 2013, 08:16 »

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 08:06

What bothers me is how they will distribute the files in the future.

makes me wonder what agencies will say to this when they know we are accepting these kind of offers, don't want to mention Sean here but it is inevitable, agencies can do whatever they wish, are 15k $ enough? guess not if we think of that possibility...

EmberMike · « **Reply #30 on:** September 14, 2013, 11:09 »

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 08:06

...What bothers me is how they will distribute the files in the future...

Wonder if they'd be receptive to putting some wording in the contract to limit their distribution rights to just graphicstock.com.

If the concern is future distribution, it may be possible to get a handle on that and limit what they can do. For me, if the deal is they get rights to sell the work anywhere they like, on any site, existing or not, that's a deal-breaker for sure.

fritz · « **Reply #31 on:** September 14, 2013, 12:39 »

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mikevideos · « **Reply #32 on:** September 14, 2013, 15:01 »

it seems to be made with ktool's script, ?

lima · « **Reply #33 on:** September 14, 2013, 21:24 »

i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i don´t know what to do...

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 12:39

I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.

theendisnye · « **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2013, 01:01 »

It's also non-exclusive rights, so it doesn't prevent you from selling elsewhere at the same time. Seems like a fair rate. I don't see much reason not to.

fritz · « **Reply #35 on:** October 16, 2013, 04:43 »

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Mantis · « **Reply #36 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:43 »

Quote from: fritz on October 16, 2013, 04:43

Quote from: ana on September 14, 2013, 21:24
i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i don´t know what to do...

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 12:39
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!

The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.

I wish your port well.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #37 on:** October 16, 2013, 07:58 »

Quote from: Mantis on October 16, 2013, 07:43

Quote from: fritz on October 16, 2013, 04:43
Quote from: ana on September 14, 2013, 21:24
i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i don´t know what to do...

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 12:39
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!

The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.

I wish your port well.

would you refuse?

fritz · « **Reply #38 on:** October 16, 2013, 18:26 »

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Mantis · « **Reply #39 on:** October 16, 2013, 18:40 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on October 16, 2013, 07:58

Quote from: Mantis on October 16, 2013, 07:43
Quote from: fritz on October 16, 2013, 04:43
Quote from: ana on September 14, 2013, 21:24
i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i don´t know what to do...

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 12:39
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!

The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.

I wish your port well.

would you refuse?

Yes

Mantis · « **Reply #40 on:** October 16, 2013, 18:40 »

Double post

Mantis · « **Reply #41 on:** October 16, 2013, 18:43 »

Quote from: fritz on October 16, 2013, 18:26

Quote from: Mantis on October 16, 2013, 07:43
Quote from: fritz on October 16, 2013, 04:43
Quote from: ana on September 14, 2013, 21:24
i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i don´t know what to do...

Quote from: fritz on September 14, 2013, 12:39
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!

The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.

I wish your port well.

Thanks, but let me put this way. On Fotolia with the same 7k files I'll need 20 years to get 15k. Same with DT, 123,DP.... and that's the scary thing!

Luckily I'm on SS and IS so things are not so bad.

For me it's the control of my images, how they are used and what happens to those images if/when they fold.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 16, 2013, 18:47 »

I guess I wouldn't refuse but I agree with all the concerns, which I have also questioned in this topic before

fritz · « **Reply #43 on:** October 16, 2013, 19:08 »

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Grafix04 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 16, 2013, 20:50 »

One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.

The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.

Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.

cthoman · « **Reply #45 on:** October 16, 2013, 23:49 »

Quote from: Grafix04 on October 16, 2013, 20:50

Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income?

This is the part that worried me. It was definitely a tough decision though.

skyfish · « **Reply #46 on:** October 17, 2013, 01:35 »

Quote from: cthoman on October 16, 2013, 23:49

Quote from: Grafix04 on October 16, 2013, 20:50
Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income?

This is the part that worried me. It was definitely a tough decision though.

They damage the market in hope of quick benefit. Then they will switch to another pasture. Contributor will loose, because only contributors are interested in long term and stable conditions, they invest more than these quick (thought to use exact word, but it is ... to print)

Mantis · « **Reply #47 on:** October 17, 2013, 15:51 »

Quote from: Grafix04 on October 16, 2013, 20:50

One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.

The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.

Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.

That was my point to Fritz. He/She essentially sold the rights to their images and can't "request his account be closed".....i.e. images removed from further use. That's what I meant by control.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #48 on:** October 23, 2013, 18:30 »

"GraphicStock now has 75,000 graphics available for download. Thousands have been added since the last time you've visited us. Pick 140 of your favorites during your complimentary 7 day trial on GraphicStock.com."

Well, that's fewer images than Symbiostock!

fritz · « **Reply #49 on:** October 23, 2013, 18:49 »

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