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Agency Based Discussion => New Sites - General => Topic started by: cuppacoffee on August 08, 2013, 06:27
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Got this in my email - http://www.graphicstock.com/page/about/. Their contact info says that they are in Virginia, USA.
To celebrate the launch of GraphicStock.com, they are giving away 7 days of complimentary access to download anything you want at no charge:
7 Days of Complimentary Downloads: 50,000+ Images
You can download anything you want on GraphicStock.com for 7 days (20 images per day). This includes icons, backgrounds, textures, vectors and many more graphical elements.
GraphicStock is only giving this complimentary access to a limited number of users, so start downloading now.
Under Their submit link they only have a survey -
GraphicStock is seeking new content
We are searching for new stock images, vectors, buttons, icons, illustrations and other types of royalty free images that we can distribute through GraphicStock.com.
Please use this survey to tell us what type of content you have, so we can follow up with you to discuss purchasing it and/or distributing it.
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If you want to be a contributor, here is a key part of the "questionnaire" we would have to answer.
4. Would you be willing to sell us non-exclusive rights to distribute your stock photos in exchange for an up front fee per image, instead of being paid a commission when your clips sell?
It would work like this: If we like your content, we would make you an offer to pay you immediately for the right to distribute your images through our company forever, instead of waiting until your images sell to pay you a royalty on each sale.
This would be non exclusive, so you could continue using them and selling them through other companies like normal.
Would you be willing to sell us non-exclusive rights to distribute your [q3] in exchange for an up front fee per image, instead of being paid a commission when your clips sell? It would work like this: If we like your content, we would make you an offer to pay you immediately for the right to distribute your images through our company forever, instead of waiting until your images sell to pay you a royalty on each sale. This would be non exclusive, so you could continue using them and selling them through other companies like normal. NO, I would not sell you distribution rights.
YES, and I would charge you this much per clip up front:
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Has anybody received an offer from them?
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It's a $69 unlimited subscription deal. I sent in the questionnaire to find out more, but I'm not holding my breath that this is going to be any sort of enticing offer. Can't imagine what the royalty rate could be if they're only charging the customer $69 per month.
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Has anybody received an offer from them?
I negotiated with them earlier this year. It was a very generous offer, but in the end I decided not to accept it. I wasn't sure if I wanted to help launch an unlimited subs program. I'm probably dumb for not accepting it, but the whole thing scared me a little because it would seem to undo a lot of the work I did over the last few years.
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They will get your images "FOREVER" according to their terms.
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Unless I missed it, I did not see any mention of models in either the terms of service or license agreement. Apparently, such images can be used in ANY way? They also state they hold no liability. It seems that might fall to the contributor.
They can change terms at any time. Even if you are ok with the terms now, they may change them at any time and you have no option to remove your images as they have them forever.
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Has anybody received an offer from them?
I negotiated with them earlier this year. It was a very generous offer, but in the end I decided not to accept it. I wasn't sure if I wanted to help launch an unlimited subs program. I'm probably dumb for not accepting it, but the whole thing scared me a little because it would seem to undo a lot of the work I did over the last few years.
How much are they paying for 1 single design and where are they distributing to?
Is it possible to send them Raster instead of Vector raw files?
Sound very tempting but it seems like it is more for ppl who are interested in short terms benefits.
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They will get your images "FOREVER" according to their terms.
Mine definitely wasn't for that. I don't know how anyone could make a forever deal.
Sound very tempting but it seems like it is more for ppl who are interested in short terms benefits.
That was my biggest fear was short term money for long term problems. It wouldn't take long (or much money) for somebody to download all my files. Looking at the download counts/view counts on the site (if accurate), it looks like those fears were justified.
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They will get your images "FOREVER" according to their terms.
Mine definitely wasn't for that. I don't know how anyone could make a forever deal.
So you were with them at some point and you had no problems pulling your images? Just curious.
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They will get your images "FOREVER" according to their terms.
Mine definitely wasn't for that. I don't know how anyone could make a forever deal.
So you were with them at some point and you had no problems pulling your images? Just curious.
Nope, just negotiations. I assume they just launched recently because they weren't open when I talked to them. They run VideoBlocks.com and some other sites and wanted to expand into graphics/vectors.
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They contacted me as well. Offered a 5 digit number for my portfolio. It all sounded nice and all but after reading through their website I'm glad i didn't.
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They contacted me as well. Offered a 5 digit number for my portfolio. It all sounded nice and all but after reading through their website I'm glad i didn't.
A 5 digit number for your entire portfolio? That sounds pretty cheap, depending on the size of your portfolio, although I wouldn't expect to make that much money on a new stock site.
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They contacted me as well. Offered a 5 digit number for my portfolio. It all sounded nice and all but after reading through their website I'm glad i didn't.
looking forward to hear my offer ;D
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Joel Holland is disrupting the stock footage industry with a Netflix-like subscription model that has attracted a mass market of amateur video enthusiasts to his company Video Blocks.
http://www.inc.com/30under30/richard-murphy/video-blocks-joel-holland-2013.html (http://www.inc.com/30under30/richard-murphy/video-blocks-joel-holland-2013.html)
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They contacted me as well. Offered a 5 digit number for my portfolio. It all sounded nice and all but after reading through their website I'm glad i didn't.
looking forward to hear my offer ;D
I'm still waiting for mine.
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My impression is that this is not about selling cheap subs. Its about buying graphics/clips for $2 and selling them as a collection to big players later on for $10 a file. Imagine being replaced on sites with your own content...
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My impression is that this is not about selling cheap subs. Its about buying graphics/clips for $2 and selling them as a collection to big players later on for $10 a file. Imagine being replaced on sites with your own content...
Hmm... Well if a big player wants to buy me out at $10 a file, I might have to do it.
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This is getting to be a really interesting issue. $15,000 isn't an easy sum of money to turn down, it certainly would make me stop and think about it. I'll probably be in a similar position shortly, as I replied to their email asking for more details on what they're offering. I'm curious to see what they put on the table.
What has me concerned is the uncertainty of it. "Perpetual" is a scary word. But I'm guessing they're not interested in making deals with expiration dates.
On the other hand, a few years from now will I really care if this company has perpetual rights to keep selling all of the work I did years ago, and has no rights to anything I've done since then? It's not like I'd be handing over my ability to work in this business.
And how is this any different than getting paid a similar sum over the course of several years? Aside from the perpetuity of the deal, of course, and my inability to ever get my images back out of it.
So I'm wrestling with those questions as well as trying to figure out what a fair value of a portfolio is when we're talking about selling resale rights, not full rights. We've all thrown around the hypothetical question of "What would you accept to be bought out of your portfolio?", but that was always full rights and large sums of money, usually six figures for most of us. This is a different story.
I'm not sure what I'd do. Need to think on it a bit more.
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indeed, very interesting, was that the amount per file that you asked or have they lowered it?
I might take the bait if they offer me something like that ;D
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It's a very low offer for 7000 files..
I would refuse it right away..
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Is it likely that those 7000 files are going to make 15 thousand dollar on that site when you would upload them there yourself? If the answer is no, then take it.
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Is it likely that those 7000 files are going to make 15 thousand dollar on that site when you would upload them there yourself? If the answer is no, then take it.
No, I can't upload files by myself. Here it doesn't work like on the other sites - no commision. They pay me $15,000.00 in exchange for the perpetual rights of the files and than I' m done with them. Then, they can do whatever they want with the files sell for 100$ or give it for free it's their choice.
I understand, what I am trying to say is, is it likely that those files would make you 15k in a life time on a similar site? If not...
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$2,14 per file is an extremely low amount.
$15,000 as a whole is a nice sum, but think about what they'll earn. Even if HALF of your portfolio sells for $5 an image/year (which seems likely), they'll make $17,500 a year. That's a $2,500 profit in the first year alone. Then think about how they can distribute your portfolio forever. Compared to that, your $15,000 looks like a cheap bargain.
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$2,14 per file is an extremely low amount.
$15,000 as a whole is a nice sum, but think about what they'll earn. Even if HALF of your portfolio sells for $5 an image/year (which seems likely), they'll make $17,500 a year. That's a $2,500 profit in the first year alone. Then think about how they can distribute your portfolio forever. Compared to that, your $15,000 looks like a cheap bargain.
looks like a cheap bargain indeed but where will they sell it? must be SS because that is the only place I have climbed to those numbers but don't we have portfolio already there? if not I believe we can find out using TinEye and try uploading ourselves no? ;D
what places will they sell our work? (that is the question)
and perhaps for how much too, for free could be potentially harmful but then how would they recover the investment?
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What bothers me is how they will distribute the files in the future.
makes me wonder what agencies will say to this when they know we are accepting these kind of offers, don't want to mention Sean here but it is inevitable, agencies can do whatever they wish, are 15k $ enough? guess not if we think of that possibility...
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...What bothers me is how they will distribute the files in the future...
Wonder if they'd be receptive to putting some wording in the contract to limit their distribution rights to just graphicstock.com.
If the concern is future distribution, it may be possible to get a handle on that and limit what they can do. For me, if the deal is they get rights to sell the work anywhere they like, on any site, existing or not, that's a deal-breaker for sure.
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it seems to be made with ktool's script, ?
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i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i donīt know what to do...
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
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It's also non-exclusive rights, so it doesn't prevent you from selling elsewhere at the same time. Seems like a fair rate. I don't see much reason not to.
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i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i donīt know what to do...
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!
The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.
I wish your port well.
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i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i donīt know what to do...
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!
The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.
I wish your port well.
would you refuse?
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i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i donīt know what to do...
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!
The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.
I wish your port well.
would you refuse?
Yes
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i received a similar mail from graphicstock last friday, and i will wait to recieve the license agreement, like you, i donīt know what to do...
I'm waiting to see their license agreement to make final decision.
I signed the agreement and got 15k. No complain, good communication and fer deal. Nice agency to deal with!
The scarey part is what they will offer your images for, as some have said. Is this going to be another agency who offers images for pennies, further diluting commissions across the market? If they get some traction, ill it force other agencies to respond with pricing/commission changes? Probably. When does it stop? I say RED FLAG with that email. I have learned not to trust most of the agencies because they have shown as a whole that contributors don't mean a whole lot. I mean, an RC system that is unreachable in BS, IS RC system and all the sh^t they've done, Alamy cutting commissions, 123 introducing the same RC cutthroat model, etc.
I wish your port well.
Thanks, but let me put this way. On Fotolia with the same 7k files I'll need 20 years to get 15k. Same with DT, 123,DP.... and that's the scary thing!
Luckily I'm on SS and IS so things are not so bad.
For me it's the control of my images, how they are used and what happens to those images if/when they fold.
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I guess I wouldn't refuse but I agree with all the concerns, which I have also questioned in this topic before
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One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.
The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.
Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.
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Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income?
This is the part that worried me. It was definitely a tough decision though.
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Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income?
This is the part that worried me. It was definitely a tough decision though.
They damage the market in hope of quick benefit. Then they will switch to another pasture. Contributor will loose, because only contributors are interested in long term and stable conditions, they invest more than these quick (thought to use exact word, but it is ... to print)
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One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.
The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.
Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.
That was my point to Fritz. He/She essentially sold the rights to their images and can't "request his account be closed".....i.e. images removed from further use. That's what I meant by control.
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"GraphicStock now has 75,000 graphics available for download. Thousands have been added since the last time you've visited us. Pick 140 of your favorites during your complimentary 7 day trial on GraphicStock.com."
Well, that's fewer images than Symbiostock!
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sure but would we be any better without subs? impossible to know and nothing we can do at this moment beside adapting or quit
there is still one difference between 38 cents and 2 cents, pretty much I wouldn't join the party, anyway I don't think that any agency will pull that one
actually I have been working on a ton of pictures for nothing but it's all part of the process (I hope)
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there is still one difference between 38 cents and 2 cents, pretty much I wouldn't join the party, anyway I don't think that any agency will pull that one
But they already have at this agency. Take fritz' offer of $2.14 per image for a lifetime's worth of unlimited subs downloads that includes EL usage. If they download one image of his 100 times, it's worth $0.02 per download, paid upfront. Shocking deal.
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there is still one difference between 38 cents and 2 cents, pretty much I wouldn't join the party, anyway I don't think that any agency will pull that one
But they already have at this agency. Take fritz' offer of $2.14 per image for a lifetime's worth of unlimited subs downloads that includes EL usage. If they download one image of his 100 times, it's worth $0.02 per download, paid upfront. Shocking deal.
let's focus here, what do they have to gain giving them away for 2 cents or less? don't you think they are looking after profit? if they paid 15k I don't think they are wanting to make 2 cents in the next years, they would need 750k downloads just to cover the investment, we don't know their strategy so its pretty hard to know if it is that shocking or not
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One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.
The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.
Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.
you talk about buyers like you can open a magazine or newspaper and pick them, it's not that simple, do you really believe that GS will ever take SS clients away? not going to happen! you can sell pictures at one place for 10 cents and other for 10$, they won't even notice and won't leave and go to another stock agency that quick, if it was that easy they would be buying everything at fair agencies and obviously symbio
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there is still one difference between 38 cents and 2 cents, pretty much I wouldn't join the party, anyway I don't think that any agency will pull that one
But they already have at this agency. Take fritz' offer of $2.14 per image for a lifetime's worth of unlimited subs downloads that includes EL usage. If they download one image of his 100 times, it's worth $0.02 per download, paid upfront. Shocking deal.
let's focus here, what do they have to gain giving them away for 2 cents or less? don't you think they are looking after profit? if they paid 15k I don't think they are wanting to make 2 cents in the next years, they would need 750k downloads just to cover the investment, we don't know their strategy so its pretty hard to know if it is that shocking or not
Lol, I think it's you that's lost focus here, Luis. The "difference between 38 cents and 2 cents" doesn't refer to what Shutterstock gives the images away for. It's what we give them away for our sub commissions. Likewise, I wasn't saying that GraphicStock will give them away for 2 cents. I meant that fritz has effectively given them away for possible even less than that. If he has sold rights for $2.14 per image, after just 100 downloads, that's only 2 cents per download. Over a lifetime as downloads increase, the earnings per image will be less and less.
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One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.
The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.
Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.
you talk about buyers like you can open a magazine or newspaper and pick them, it's not that simple, do you really believe that GS will ever take SS clients away? not going to happen! you can sell pictures at one place for 10 cents and other for 10$, they won't even notice and won't leave and go to another stock agency that quick, if it was that easy they would be buying everything at fair agencies and obviously symbio
You believe that unlimited subs for $69 that includes EL usage isn't going to take off? How much does one EL cost? $50? $100?
Yes, if things remain constant, I believe buyers will run off from SS to GS. Why wouldn't they? Unlimited ELs for $69 per month versus one single EL for $100 or whatever the average price is these days. Once buyers get word of such a generous deal and start migrating over in decent numbers, how do you think SS and the other big players will respond? In the end all subs will be sold with unlimited downloads for a period of time and will include EL usage. Microstock, from the serious contributors' point of view has been dying a slow death for some time now but I believe this will finish it off. I've been slowly leaving all the micros but I still keep an eye on the market just to see it all unfold and to count my lucky stars that I've left before all my images are given away for less than peanuts. I've got a couple of small ones left that I'll drop when I get around to it.
It's a real shame what's happened to this industry but I'm afraid it was inevitable.
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Most people aren't thinking clearly here - they're too distracted by the $15,000 dollars.
If you think logically this is far worse than the Getty/Google deal. Fritz sold the rights to 7000 for $15K, netting him $2.14 per image. The Google deal netted effected contributors $14 per image and everyone went apesh!t.
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Most people aren't thinking clearly here - they're too distracted by the $15,000 dollars.
If you think logically this is far worse than the Getty/Google deal. Fritz sold the rights to 7000 for $15K, netting him $2.14 per image. The Google deal netted effected contributors $14 per image and everyone went apesh!t.
I think the Google deal is still worse because it wasn't by choice.
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there is still one difference between 38 cents and 2 cents, pretty much I wouldn't join the party, anyway I don't think that any agency will pull that one
But they already have at this agency. Take fritz' offer of $2.14 per image for a lifetime's worth of unlimited subs downloads that includes EL usage. If they download one image of his 100 times, it's worth $0.02 per download, paid upfront. Shocking deal.
let's focus here, what do they have to gain giving them away for 2 cents or less? don't you think they are looking after profit? if they paid 15k I don't think they are wanting to make 2 cents in the next years, they would need 750k downloads just to cover the investment, we don't know their strategy so its pretty hard to know if it is that shocking or not
Lol, I think it's you that's lost focus here, Luis. The "difference between 38 cents and 2 cents" doesn't refer to what Shutterstock gives the images away for. It's what we give them away for our sub commissions. Likewise, I wasn't saying that GraphicStock will give them away for 2 cents. I meant that fritz has effectively given them away for possible even less than that. If he has sold rights for $2.14 per image, after just 100 downloads, that's only 2 cents per download. Over a lifetime as downloads increase, the earnings per image will be less and less.
You re assuming every image gets 1000 dls. Could be that 30% of his 7000 never sales. And only few hit 100 dls or more. 30% unsold images is realistic.
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Most people aren't thinking clearly here - they're too distracted by the $15,000 dollars.
If you think logically this is far worse than the Getty/Google deal. Fritz sold the rights to 7000 for $15K, netting him $2.14 per image. The Google deal netted effected contributors $14 per image and everyone went apesh!t.
I think the Google deal is still worse because it wasn't by choice.
Perhaps to the individuals who were directly involved, yes. However, think back how outraged people were in general. Even if they weren't directly effected, they were concerned about the potential damage it could do to the industry. The ones that were involved only had a few images being given away for free - forever - for $14 an image. Now we have contributors lining up in numbers asking for an offer and selling out for $2.14 voluntarily. The potential damage to the industry is likely to be far greater and far quicker.
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there is still one difference between 38 cents and 2 cents, pretty much I wouldn't join the party, anyway I don't think that any agency will pull that one
But they already have at this agency. Take fritz' offer of $2.14 per image for a lifetime's worth of unlimited subs downloads that includes EL usage. If they download one image of his 100 times, it's worth $0.02 per download, paid upfront. Shocking deal.
let's focus here, what do they have to gain giving them away for 2 cents or less? don't you think they are looking after profit? if they paid 15k I don't think they are wanting to make 2 cents in the next years, they would need 750k downloads just to cover the investment, we don't know their strategy so its pretty hard to know if it is that shocking or not
Lol, I think it's you that's lost focus here, Luis. The "difference between 38 cents and 2 cents" doesn't refer to what Shutterstock gives the images away for. It's what we give them away for our sub commissions. Likewise, I wasn't saying that GraphicStock will give them away for 2 cents. I meant that fritz has effectively given them away for possible even less than that. If he has sold rights for $2.14 per image, after just 100 downloads, that's only 2 cents per download. Over a lifetime as downloads increase, the earnings per image will be less and less.
You re assuming every image gets 1000 dls. Could be that 30% of his 7000 never sales. And only few hit 100 dls or more. 30% unsold images is realistic.
Ron, I'm not assuming anything. There may be images that never sell and there may be images that sell in huge numbers over the course of a lifetime... or rather, forever. Think about it... it will only take GS to get about 1500 contributors like Fritz to reach a database of 10 million images. What happens if buyers start moving over to GS and they pick up speed? What if a threatened Shuttershock or a threatened iStock buy out GS's parent company? Now you can't even sell your own images yourself because they have the right to distribute them without giving you a cent. Any way you look at it, it's bad news.
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There does seem to be a risk of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. The egg might not be that golden anymore but I still don't want that goose to die :) Unfortunately, there's always going to be people that are overly influenced by a lump of cash. Hopefully this site will go nowhere. It doesn't look attractive to buyers at the moment, I hope it stays that way.
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he haven't sold the pictures rights but DISTRIBUTION rights
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One thing that concerns me the most is that the images are owned by Footage Firm. If GraphicStock shuts its doors then Footage Firm is still free to do whatever they like with your images - forever.
The other deal breaker is that their RF licensing agreement allows EL licensing terms in their subscription plan. Sure you can make a quick one time stash of $15K but how will that affect your your other income? If this takes on, buyers are likely to ditch the other micros and buy into a cheep unlimited subs plan instead which will hurt your other income. You'll not only be selling yourself short but possibly selling yourself out - for $2.14 per image.
Unlimited ELs for $69 a month. It's a great deal for buyers but far too risky for contributors.
you talk about buyers like you can open a magazine or newspaper and pick them, it's not that simple, do you really believe that GS will ever take SS clients away? not going to happen! you can sell pictures at one place for 10 cents and other for 10$, they won't even notice and won't leave and go to another stock agency that quick, if it was that easy they would be buying everything at fair agencies and obviously symbio
You believe that unlimited subs for $69 that includes EL usage isn't going to take off? How much does one EL cost? $50? $100?
Yes, if things remain constant, I believe buyers will run off from SS to GS. Why wouldn't they? Unlimited ELs for $69 per month versus one single EL for $100 or whatever the average price is these days. Once buyers get word of such a generous deal and start migrating over in decent numbers, how do you think SS and the other big players will respond? In the end all subs will be sold with unlimited downloads for a period of time and will include EL usage. Microstock, from the serious contributors' point of view has been dying a slow death for some time now but I believe this will finish it off. I've been slowly leaving all the micros but I still keep an eye on the market just to see it all unfold and to count my lucky stars that I've left before all my images are given away for less than peanuts. I've got a couple of small ones left that I'll drop when I get around to it.
It's a real shame what's happened to this industry but I'm afraid it was inevitable.
they won't, buyers don't seem to care about our royalties or even the price they pay for a picture, I sold yesterday at Alamy a picture for 10$ (0.2MP) when it can be purchased for less than 1$ somewhere else
iStock used to have the highest pricing and that haven't put buyers away, they sold quite well during many years for a big number of contributors, some still do
you are thinking way too much like we always do but its not the reality, buyers don't just leave because other agency has cheaper prices, there are a ton more variables
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he haven't sold the pictures rights but DISTRIBUTION rights
Lol, same thing really. Currently you have full rights to your images meaning you may distribute them or sell the rights. After you share the right to distribute your images with GS, that's all you have the right to do too. If you give them distribution rights, you won't even be able to sell the rights to your images anymore because GS will be distributing your images forever.
they won't, buyers don't seem to care about our royalties or even the price they pay for a picture, I sold yesterday at Alamy a picture for 10$ (0.2MP) when it can be purchased for less than 1$ somewhere else
iStock used to have the highest pricing and that haven't put buyers away, they sold quite well during many years for a big number of contributors, some still do
you are thinking way too much like we always do but its not the reality, buyers don't just leave because other agency has cheaper prices, there are a ton more variables
No disrespect buddy, but that is possibly the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard from a photographer who sells at micro prices. If buyer's didn't care about prices, they would have continued buying macro from Jupitor /Getty and Corbis. Even the shift to micro wasn't satisfying enough for them and four years later most shifted from iStock to Shutterstock, lured by the subs deal. Buyers clearly care about price and they will not pass on an opportunity to download unlimited ELs for just $69 a month. Hell, I don't even think I can pass on that opportunity. You sell your soul to the devil, Luis and I'll sit there for a month and download every one of your images (and others) for a bargain price of $69 and then I'll upload them onto every product available on cafe press which is allowed. How do you feel about that?
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I will ask just 1 thing, are you at Cafepress?
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I will ask just 1 thing, are you at Cafepress?
Not yet ;)
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I will ask just 1 thing, are you at Cafepress?
Not yet ;)
like I expected, you are just full of talk, cafepress doesn't mean anything, in the long run you might be right but we will be here to see if GS will go anywhere, how many very cheap agencies we know that are doing well? yep big fat zero!
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I will ask just 1 thing, are you at Cafepress?
Not yet ;)
like I expected, you are just full of talk, cafepress doesn't mean anything, in the long run you might be right but we will be here to see if GS will go anywhere, how many very cheap agencies we know that are doing well? yep big fat zero!
No. I'm not full of talk. I'm seriously considering it. I won't put my images on CP but I'll happily put yours and anyone else's. Your flags will probably do okay as prints. I'll also sell on Fineartamerica.
Why do you believe I'm all talk? I've already left micro and have some time to fill doing other things. For just $69 a month I could download a heap of images and we've already been given the green light to sell on POD. The only thing I'm waiting for is for more suckers like Fritz to sell out so that I'll have a better collection to choose from. I don't believe it will be long. Although $15K is not even close to a year's income, there'll be a heap of you willing to part with DISTRIBUTION rights.
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not that you deserve after calling "sucker" to a member of this community who was brave enough to say he accepted the deal, how many have and shut their mouth? same goes with uploading to IS, we all love to talk but we take ZERO action
I can tell you that CP sucks, I have over 400 designs there since August and made 10$ so go ahead and try it yourself, no IPTC import and 1 file at a time
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The only thing I'm waiting for is for more suckers like Fritz to sell out so that I'll have a better collection to choose from.
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Leaf,
I didn't join MSG to someone insult me simply because I have a different opinion than others.
Lets be civilized, otherwise I'm off.
Best,
"Sucker" Fritz
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not that you deserve after calling "sucker" to a member of this community who was brave enough to say he accepted the deal, how many have and shut their mouth? same goes with uploading to IS, we all love to talk but we take ZERO action
I can tell you that CP sucks, I have over 400 designs there since August and made 10$ so go ahead and try it yourself, no IPTC import and 1 file at a time
Lol $10? Well I won't be asking you for any tips. I know a few who make a decent living from various PODs so you must be doing something wrong.
Yep "Suckers". Call it what you want but they are technically getting sucked into the deal are they not? I don't have a problem with it anymore. I want more people to hand over their 'distribution' rights since microstock is basically finished for me anyway.
If anyone's offended over being called a sucker for getting sucked into a deal that has probably ended their future in microstock and has been the final nail in the coffin of my future in microstock, it's their problem. They can get over it as I have.
If anyone should be insulted it should be me... and the rest of contributors still trying to earn a living from micro.
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the wrong thing I am doing is wasting my time with a troll like you ;)
if it is finished for you why all the fuss? just leave us here doing dumb decisions because you are somewhere else doing a ton better sucker ;D
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the wrong thing I am doing is wasting my time with a troll like you ;)
if it is finished for you why all the fuss? just leave us here doing dumb decisions because you are somewhere else doing a ton better sucker ;D
LOL, I'm trolling and you're wasting your time with me? I didn't invite you to quote and respond to me, you did that and I responded to you. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're trolling.
I'm finished with microstock agencies since they insist on screwing us over. On top of them screws ing us over, now we have other contributors doing it to us and I'm supposed to be apologizing for feeling bitter about it? Well I got over it and found a positive from them screwing me over. If they're willing to dip into my earnings, I'll return the favor - gladly.
And I'm not finished selling RM and RF directly, just micro agents.
I've been around long enough to know you're posts aren't anything to write home about so please, feel free so stop wasting your time replying to my posts - that weren't directed at you in the first place ::)
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I've been around long enough to know you're posts aren't anything to write home about so please, feel free so stop wasting your time replying to my posts - that weren't directed at you in the first place ::)
typical troll speech ;)
haven't you registered 10 days ago? how do you know me? my family knows me nobody else does sucker :D
is this your 47th nickname here? of course you aren't a troll ;D
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I've been around long enough to know you're posts aren't anything to write home about so please, feel free so stop wasting your time replying to my posts - that weren't directed at you in the first place ::)
typical troll speech ;)
haven't you registered 10 days ago? how do you know me? my family knows me nobody else does sucker :D
is this your 47th nickname here? of course you aren't a troll ;D
Child.
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grown up!
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Come on Luis, do you have a bad memory or what? I've been here with this same ID. I'm still 'stickied' in one of the forums. I left the first time cause some 'real troll' hacked me and deleted my account and I questioned it on a thread. Leaf confirmed it wasn't him. The second time I left to work on building my RM port before Christmas. Right after Warren (I think his name is) made some smart remark.
You were always paranoid about what's his name. The old guy accusing him of multiple IDs. I don't need multiple IDs to hide. I can continue hiding with this one ::)
Now carry on ignoring me... so far you're not doing too well ;D
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grown up!
Thats hilarious !! LMAO ;D
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why would I ignore you? for offending people? not that trolls do that!
anyway that is fine because you are a funny character, you just have a bigger issue than all of us but its ok, we forgive you! ;D
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why would I ignore you? for offending people? not that trolls do that!
anyway that is fine because you are a funny character, you just have a bigger issue than all of us but its ok, we forgive you! ;D
Offended, really? From 'sucker'? With all the verbal diarrhea you've let off in here over the years, you're picking on 'sucker' lol. We're all suckers in microstock. Luis, you're probably one of the most paranoid people in here and I know not to take anything you type seriously... but for some unknown reason I still like you. Maybe it's the Italian thing - una fazza, una razza and all that, huh!
Think back to PicturEngine and the DT/Pinterest issue and you might remember who I was. I don't hang around these forums too much because it's too distracting and I'll be here forever picking on and sparring with you :D Catch ya!
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the troll strategy continues, please tell me where I was paranoid along these years that you "know" me ;D
BTW I am not Italian but Russian ;)
I don't really remember you and I can't say I regret it ;D
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why would I ignore you? for offending people? not that trolls do that!
anyway that is fine because you are a funny character, you just have a bigger issue than all of us but its ok, we forgive you! ;D
Offended, really? From 'sucker'? With all the verbal diarrhea you've let off in here over the years, you're picking on 'sucker' lol. We're all suckers in microstock. Luis, you're probably one of the most paranoid people in here and I know not to take anything you type seriously... but for some unknown reason I still like you. Maybe it's the Italian thing - una fazza, una razza and all that, huh!
Think back to PicturEngine and the DT/Pinterest issue and you might remember who I was. I don't hang around these forums too much because it's too distracting and I'll be here forever picking on and sparring with you :D Catch ya!
Without feelings of respect, what is there to distinguish men from beasts?
Confucius
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Without feelings of respect, what is there to distinguish men from beasts?
Confucius
Pants? ;D
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why would I ignore you? for offending people? not that trolls do that!
anyway that is fine because you are a funny character, you just have a bigger issue than all of us but its ok, we forgive you! ;D
Offended, really? From 'sucker'? With all the verbal diarrhea you've let off in here over the years, you're picking on 'sucker' lol. We're all suckers in microstock. Luis, you're probably one of the most paranoid people in here and I know not to take anything you type seriously... but for some unknown reason I still like you. Maybe it's the Italian thing - una fazza, una razza and all that, huh!
Think back to PicturEngine and the DT/Pinterest issue and you might remember who I was. I don't hang around these forums too much because it's too distracting and I'll be here forever picking on and sparring with you :D Catch ya!
Without feelings of respect, what is there to distinguish men from beasts?
Confucius
You mean the men of today?
Hormones.
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the troll strategy continues, please tell me where I was paranoid along these years that you "know" me ;D
BTW I am not Italian but Russian ;)
I don't really remember you and I can't say I regret it ;D
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There is conclusive evidence that you're Italian.
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