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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2007, 23:39 »
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...yet they pay us only 30 days after the purchase.  I don't know if there is any accounting reason to explain this (other than keeping our money for a few days).

The fancy word for this is "float." In some cases, the money that can be earned off interest from "floating" the income for a few days or weeks can be a successful business model.

With today's ease of transferring funds, any website that takes 30 days to pass the money along to its final recipient is leveraging float. It's not a bad practice necessarily, unless you're the one at the end of the food chain. :-)

For microstocks, when the money is in-hand as soon as credits are purchased, the float can be even longer.


« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2007, 00:11 »
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Coming from the financial/business perspective of this (my day job), I challenge anyone to try the "float" business model.  It's a great scapegoat for those that don't know the ins and outs, but in all practicality, unless you are doing hundreds of thousands of transactions PER DAY, it isn't worth the money.  This business model is mostly successful in the leasing industry.  The going interest rate is currently between 3 and 4 percent...think about how much money it would take to make the returns lucrative, then subtract the potential transaction fees.

Adelaide - I was with Shutterpoint for a while and I walked away - I think Photoshelter has much more to offer.  I haven't heard the same bad things about Keene images, but if they run it the same way, I would expect Photoshelter to be more successful in the long run.  There are a lot of "big players" (i.e. professional photographers with their livelihoods at stake) backing this agency.

« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2007, 15:21 »
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Given that some sites sell so little and take so long to pay me because it takes years to reach a pay-out, they certainly win a lot with this floating money. At least from me!  :D

Regards,
Adelaide

dk

« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2007, 10:04 »
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Hi, been reading the forums for a while but this is my first post.

I have a question, what do you guys think - i have a different portofolio for alamy and the micros. Which of these two portofolios you think is better to upload to photoshelter? Should i upload my micro or macro images to them?

Thanks in advance



« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2007, 10:08 »
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well, the initial price point on Alamy looks similar to the Photoshelter prices, HOWEVER when you consider licensing the prices on alamy are not all that different that micro prices (extended licenses).

If you want to keep them seperate though, I would suggest uploading your alamy portfolio on photoshelter.

dk

« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 10:12 »
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thanks leaf for the quick reply!

and congratulations for your amazing work

jsnover

« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2007, 10:58 »
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I have a question, what do you guys think - i have a different portofolio for alamy and the micros. Which of these two portofolios you think is better to upload to photoshelter? Should i upload my micro or macro images to them?

I am uploading my (new and still building) Alamy portfolio to PhotoShelter Collection. I think given the price differences even if it were RF licensing, it wouldn't be good business to offer the same images via the micros and Alamy/Photoshelter.

I'm selling mine RM at both Alamy and Photoshelter. It does make a new category of decision though (for some images) - which group of sites to upload to. I guess it'll get easier to decide once I get a better grip on sales patterns for the RM stuff.

dk

« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2007, 15:21 »
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thanks jsnover for your anwser.

i was thinking of uploading some stuff on midstock sites as well - like mostphotos and l.oliver and the same question comes up on what to upload there as well. I did a very specific search on both istock and l.o. The search for "agaric amanita" returned 16 results on both sites. None of the images found were on both sites.

i hope we don't need a third portofolio for midstock!

 :)

« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2007, 17:35 »
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I have a question, what do you guys think - i have a different portofolio for alamy and the micros. Which of these two portofolios you think is better to upload to photoshelter? Should i upload my micro or macro images to them?


I am uploading my (new and still building) Alamy portfolio to PhotoShelter Collection. I think given the price differences even if it were RF licensing, it wouldn't be good business to offer the same images via the micros and Alamy/Photoshelter.

I'm selling mine RM at both Alamy and Photoshelter. It does make a new category of decision though (for some images) - which group of sites to upload to. I guess it'll get easier to decide once I get a better grip on sales patterns for the RM stuff.


I would tread with caution when posting RM stuff on two sites (and double check if it is allowed)
- I expained myself more in THIS POST

jsnover

« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2007, 18:58 »
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I'll look into that, but I did not think that Alamy required exclusivity for any of its images for any license type.

What I thought was that you need to know who has used it, where and for what - which you do even if it's sold through multiple agencies as long as it's RM. I think Alamy has to ask the copyright owner if someone wants exclusive rights when you sell the image as "Licensed", so I would always know.


« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2007, 20:25 »
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There's no exclusivity requirement at Alamy.

http://www.alamy.com/contributors/default.asp

Right there in the middle: We are non-exclusive and we do not edit your images.

« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2007, 20:50 »
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The only issue that you may have is if a customer requests exclusivity.  If you have an image on Alamy, and a customer requests exclusivity through Photoshelter, you probably won't be able to do it in that it takes Alamy 3 months to remove the image from the site.  What you can do instead is apply restrictions to the image at Alamy for a given region (or even worldwide depending on the rights the customer is requesting).  This only applies to licensed images.

Photoshelter is still in beta but I'd imagine you will have the ability to do the same.

If on Alamy you select the rights protected license, then you are saying that the person licensing the image can get exclusive rights without having to go through Alamy's member services in order to get exclusive rights.

jsnover

« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2007, 21:48 »
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If on Alamy you select the rights protected license, then you are saying that the person licensing the image can get exclusive rights without having to go through Alamy's member services in order to get exclusive rights.

All my Alamy images are Licensed, not rights protected. And as an FYI, Alamy takes 6 months, not 3 to delete images after you request it.

« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2007, 22:07 »
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Then you should be OK.  If Alamy hears from a customer that wants exclusive rights, then Member Services will give you a call or contact you via email before licensing the image to the customer to ask if exclusivity is available.  If you can restrict the usage on your other non-exclusive rights managed sites, then all you have to do is just that when (if) Member Services calls you.  You don't need to delete the image (sometimes exclusivity is country/region based so you'll have to update the restrictions at other agencies).

With relation to image deletion, what a lot of folks do is restrict the image first (on a worldwide basis), wait until the next refresh (24 business hours) then they mark it for deletion.  You can't do both at the same time - Member Services has caught on to the trick and both changes won't be saved (the only saved change will be the image is marked for deletion).  If you want your image deleted within 3 months, then change the new "disambiguation" questions to be unfavorable.  Otherwise, you're right, it's 6 months.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2007, 22:37 by wysiwyg_foto »

« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2007, 15:58 »
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Hi All,

Alamy has 3 different license types, Royalty Free, Licensed and Rights Protected. Both L and RP licenses are RM type licenses with one big difference. In L images they will ask you if anyone wants exclusivity, with RP they assume the images are exclusive to them so they won't ask before selling an exclusivity license.

As for that old discussion on having the same images on Alamy and microstock, i believe that the contract differences (limitations with microstock) and size of the images available may justify the price increase... What is not very good is the extended license prices on most places. Those should be more like alamy prices.

By the way, Alamy has just changed dramatically their database approach and most probably their search engine. Now we have 3 keyword fields (Essential, Main and Comprehensive) and a lot more fields to identify and catalog the images like if it is a cut out, how many people are in it, date taken, etc.
The only problem is for those images already online, which will take a great deal of work to set them up according to this scheme (not mandatory, but advisable).

Regards
Francisco Leito

« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2008, 00:29 »
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This year I'm applying to Photoshelter and possibly Alamy. 

Does anyone know - on Photoshelter, if my application is approved will my photos show up in my portfolio automatically?  I'm wondering what I'll send over - I'll come up with something other than my micro work if the approved are placed for sale automatically.

Also - if I have photos from the same shoots as those on the micros - can I send over something that is essentially the same?  Maybe as RF?   I know there is nothing that says don't send to both, but I think we all agree to keep our portfolios separate... thoughts on similars? 

« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2008, 01:31 »
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Photoshelter will put the approved images from your application up for sale (actually, they will put it in the approved folder and you have to make them live)

Olga

« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2008, 05:58 »
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so has anyone else gotten any images online here?  I have 5 or so, but not sure I will upload more or not.
« Last Edit: January 05, 2008, 07:33 by leaf »

« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2008, 06:14 »
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so has anyone gotten any images online here?

I just tried them two days ago with three pictures, I'll let you know if they accepted them (otherwise, I'll send three others, and three others, and...).

« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2008, 07:29 »
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I have just applied with 7 images. They say it takes 2-3 days for review.

vphoto

« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2008, 07:47 »
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I have about 30 there.  It is easy to upload to them and they accept most of my photos.  I am not uploading my microstock photos.

« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2008, 08:55 »
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I have about 30 there.  It is easy to upload to them and they accept most of my photos.  I am not uploading my microstock photos.

Easy???  how do you mean?  I felt like it was istock X 3, 4 pages of stuff to go through to upload 1 photo, with disambiguation for each keyword on a separate page!!!

« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2008, 10:12 »
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I found it about the same as istock.  The disambiguation was just a lot of mouse clicks.  I prefer uploading to them than alamy, as it takes at least 3 weeks for me to get a review with alamy.

« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2008, 04:59 »
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I'd like to revive this old thread about the Photoshelter collection, since I was accepted yesterday. I'm now crawling slowly through the do's and don'ts, but since this site is fairly new, there is not much info on forums from real contributors.

Content: does the PSC really prefers people shots over landscape/objects shots, as they state?

Reviewers: are they liberal or conservative? Do they prefer plain from the cam (like iStock), artsy, or popped-up (like ShutterStock). What are the most frequent reject reasons and do they also use the this is not commercial reason?

I read about the upload/cooking process on tags/description. It seems to be as cumbersome as the one on iStock. Is it really that bad?

Finally, what about view count and sales there? Or is it still too early?

« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2008, 09:19 »
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We have upload over 100 images to PSC and it is much better than IS by leaps and bounds IS has one of the worst upload systems.

They have several different categories that cover different styles and you can have some shot there that would be rejected from all the micros, just remember you cannot upload images to PSC that you have on microsites, PSC is traditional stock pricing, we use them and Alamy for our RM stock.

They are to new to have sales figures up and have just started advertising the site. The stat system is nice as you can see all the stats for your images.


 

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