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Agency Based Discussion => New Sites - General => Topic started by: jotovs on February 22, 2013, 16:14
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RawStockPhoto new launched site for stock images and vector illustrations.
Unlike other Stock sites new here is that there is opportunity for authors to upload and sell their RAW files.
Since RawStockPhoto is newly launched, every Author who wants to sell their images and vector illustrations is welcome to us. RawStockPhoto needs a lot of authors and their Vectors and Stock images to gain a solid database. The conditions for accession are very good and very reasonable for authors. Percentages that are given are one of the highest - between 45-70%! The registration is fast and easy, even you can register directly with your Facebook or Twitter Accounts! Pretty good is styled section "Help" where you can easily orientate in site! The interface is extremely convenient!
Website address is: http://www.rawstockphoto.com/ (http://www.rawstockphoto.com/)
IPTC Name, Description, Keywording - Yes
Java Photo Upload - Yes (drag and drop)
FTP Upload - Yes
SEO Optimization - Yes
Seller agreement
http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/seller-agreement.html (http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/seller-agreement.html)
Licenses
http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/licenses-and-uses.html (http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/licenses-and-uses.html)
credit system and payments
http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/credit-system-and-payments.html (http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/credit-system-and-payments.html)
PROMOTION FOR SELLERS
http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/contributor-types.html#promotionforsellers (http://rawstockphoto.com/pages/contributor-types.html#promotionforsellers)
RawStockPhoto Website start a Promotion about Contributors. The first 100 Non Exclusive Contributors who reach 1000 approved files for sale, receive higher Commission rate for the sale of files!
In this Promotion the Commission of Non Exclusive Contributor is not related to the number of downloads (sales).
After approval of 1000 files by RawStockPhoto, Non Exclusive Contributor automatically switches from Bronze Level to Bronze Promo Level.
If You have any questions feel free to contact us
RawStockPhoto has the ambition to become a good global Stock site with many images and vector illustrations! Become a part of this project!
Best Regards!
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I have about 17,000 RAW files. What would be the quickest way to get them all to you?
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There better be a big cost to the buyers for raw files. Many of us will never give up a raw file as that is our last straw for proof of ownership. I think you will have a tough sell on that.
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Front page of the site he is offering
Buy Stock Raw Images, Photos and Vector Illustrations at lowest prices from Authors around the world.
Join Us for Free Today!
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Front page of the site he is offering
Buy Stock Raw Images, Photos and Vector Illustrations at lowest prices from Authors around the world.
::) :o >:(
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The prices seem kind of low. How much are credits?
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is it only raw photos, or can one decide to upload jpg's?
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO (80 euro cent), 1 raw is for 225 Credits, You can Convert, raw in DNG, beforehand to save the original raw file for Yourself. DNG is ok for us.
Not only raw, jpg, eps (AI8)
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO cent,
Not being very familiar with euro currency, does '0.8 EURO cent' mean 80 cents (european)? or 0.8 of a cent (european)?
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I wonder how many buyers really have a need for raw files. I've had a few requests for them on DT, but refused the offer. And what if you are a dirty shooter? I mean, lots of censor spots to clean, crummy background cuz you are going to cut it out, or a greyish background that you want white and have to work magic with your dodge tool. I think a lot of us don't really want to share our raw files for just this reason alone.
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO cent, 1 raw is for 225 Credits, You can Convert, raw in DNG, beforehand to save the original raw file for Yourself. DNG is ok for us.
Not only raw, jpg, eps (AI8)
Thanks. I guess that is about a dollar a credit, so $5 for a vector file. That's way too cheap for me. About 4 times that or $20 would be nice.
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is this a good idea?
is there a market for raw photos???
did not DT do the raw thing already. i uploaded a few and none sold as raw, it was a total wast of my time.
Not to mention nowadays with everyone doing a rights grab on our photos, is it a good idea to send away our raw photos to the big vast internet pirats!!!
With all do respect i will keep my raw photos till someone prys them out of my dead mummified hands.
its the only proof we realy have showing we indeed are the ones who took the original photo and hold copy right to it.
whats your view on this?
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I would not sell my RAW files - for the most part the images I create only start with a RAW and it'd be like selling a shot of a model without makeup or clothes. Just not interesting.
And Albumo (remember them) offered the first xxx who reached 1,000 images a better rate than everyone else. Not going to fly without buyers.
How about you talk about how you're planning to find buyers for this site and why they'd buy from you versus any of the other sites out there (and don't say 'cause of your RAW files; that's just not going to be a differentiator)?
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In new versions Camera Raw, You can clear spots, meke some color corections and save them in DNG, when User opens the dng file, he or she did not see spots, if they did not reset corections. Maybe the right format is dng.
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO cent,
Not being very familiar with euro currency, does '0.8 EURO cent' mean 80 cents (european)? or 0.8 of a cent (european)?
1 Credit in out system for seller is 0,8 EURO (80 euro cent)
If you sell 1 dng(raw) file 225x0,8 =180 euro
If you are Bonze Level (lowest) you get 45% or 81 Euro
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I would not sell my RAW files - for the most part the images I create only start with a RAW and it'd be like selling a shot of a model without makeup or clothes. Just not interesting.
And Albumo (remember them) offered the first xxx who reached 1,000 images a better rate than everyone else. Not going to fly without buyers.
How about you talk about how you're planning to find buyers for this site and why they'd buy from you versus any of the other sites out there (and don't say 'cause of your RAW files; that's just not going to be a differentiator)?
We palan to find buyers, but first we need sellers to gain a solid base with photos
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1 - you started the FB account on December 2011
2 - first post on March 31th 2012
3 - you come to introduce it at MSG forum today (February 22th 2013)
4 - who are you and haven't you heard of this forum before?
5 - how many buyers do you have?
6 - raw is out of question
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Products that you upload at RawStockPhoto reach thousands of professional buyers every day. By selling your products, your income could reach hundreds of euros per month.
OH YEAH, this is what we needed, thank you! ;D
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1 - you started the FB account on December 2011
2 - first post on March 31th 2012
3 - you come to introduce it at MSG forum today (February 22th 2013)
4 - who are you and haven't you heard of this forum before?
5 - how many buyers do you have?
6 - raw is out of question
1 - we launched the project on 01.05.2012 but we saw thet our system was technicaly old, and deside to change all.
2 - first post on March 31th 2012 - yes
3 - that is right, some days ago we made the Update of the site SEO, Functionalty almost all
4 - I am a Designer, my other partner is a Photographer, we have heard about this forum before, but now is the moment for publucation.
5 - at this time we havent, a lot of buyers, we need you Sellers.
6 - dng is the right format
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don't you have a name? :D
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RAW files?
Selling raw files? What would be the point in that?
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don't you have a name? :D
Of course I have, Jotovs is the name of my family ( family Jotovs) for her is this, other on PM
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don't you have a name? :D
Of course I have, Jotovs is the name of my family ( family Jotovs) for her is this, other on PM
so you are from Bulgaria and a big fan of airsoft, what can we know more? :D
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Why would a buyer buy from your site rather than any of the many which already exist?
Is your USB low price and RAW files?
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO cent,
Not being very familiar with euro currency, does '0.8 EURO cent' mean 80 cents (european)? or 0.8 of a cent (european)?
May I help?
1 Euro are 100 EuroCents
so 0.8 Eurocents is 0.008 Euro
The price for 1 Raw is 225*0.008 EuroCent=1.8 Euro
:'(
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RAW files?
Selling raw files? What would be the point in that?
Simple Example, I am a designer, and I make a project, Use a photo of a girl, I want to change the color, of her hair. The Photo I downloaded az JPG is with blond hair, but if I have a raw file with same girl and there she is with brown hair (darker hair), I can use this and make Black hair., I need this model exactly, not to look for other models with black hair.
if You onece proccess the photo (blond hair JPG), it is almost imposible to reverse. and make Black hair.
in DNG You may reverse to the very begining.
This i s just an example.
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO cent,
Not being very familiar with euro currency, does '0.8 EURO cent' mean 80 cents (european)? or 0.8 of a cent (european)?
May I help?
1 Euro are 100 EuroCents
so 0.8 Eurocents is 0.008 Euro
The price for 1 Raw is 225*0.008 EuroCent=1.8 Euro
:'(
I was in a hury, and make mistake, then correct the price see it on the site
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"Bulgaria"
see ya!
raw files.....pffsttt
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I think you are 5 years late and the raw file idea is not enough edge to make it interesting for buyers and certainly photographers will be reluctant.
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at this moment 1 credit is 0.8 EURO cent,
Not being very familiar with euro currency, does '0.8 EURO cent' mean 80 cents (european)? or 0.8 of a cent (european)?
May I help?
1 Euro are 100 EuroCents
so 0.8 Eurocents is 0.008 Euro
The price for 1 Raw is 225*0.008 EuroCent=1.8 Euro
:'(
I was in a hury, and make mistake, then correct the price see it on the site
DING*DING*DING* Red flags a flailin'....
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So, is it 1.8 Euro or 180 Euro?
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So, is it 1.8 Euro or 180 Euro?
180, I think noodle is joking with me, beacuse I can not edit, in "Quated" area, and there remains a record
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RAW files?
Selling raw files? What would be the point in that?
Simple Example, I am a designer, and I make a project, Use a photo of a girl, I want to change the color, of her hair. The Photo I downloaded az JPG is with blond hair, but if I have a raw file with same girl and there she is with brown hair (darker hair), I can use this and make Black hair., I need this model exactly, not to look for other models with black hair.
if You onece proccess the photo (blond hair JPG), it is almost imposible to reverse. and make Black hair.
in DNG You may reverse to the very begining.
This i s just an example.
Why wouldn't you make a copy tif of the jpg and colour the hair black, and you still have the original blonde jpg as a separate file? I sent my sister several jpgs from one photo showing what her hair would look like in several different colours, and still had the original jpg untouched.
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RAW files?
Selling raw files? What would be the point in that?
Simple Example, I am a designer, and I make a project, Use a photo of a girl, I want to change the color, of her hair. The Photo I downloaded az JPG is with blond hair, but if I have a raw file with same girl and there she is with brown hair (darker hair), I can use this and make Black hair., I need this model exactly, not to look for other models with black hair.
if You onece proccess the photo (blond hair JPG), it is almost imposible to reverse. and make Black hair.
in DNG You may reverse to the very begining.
This i s just an example.
Why wouldn't you make a copy tif of the jpg and colour the hair black, and you still have the original blonde jpg as a separate file? I sent my sister several jpgs from one photo showing what her hair would look like in several different colours, and still had the original jpg untouched.
Probably I can not explain it well in English because I'm from Bulgaria, but what I mean is that for light or very light blonde hair can not do black. I have more than 10 years experience working with such images and believe me the already processed image you can not go back and do something else with it. You can use JPG az it is, or just make some samall color corrections.
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jotovs
as a designer....
would you rather buy a raw for 180 e
or a jpg for ,80 cents... or cheaper elsewhere
When photoshop can really work wonders with jpgs?
I have not changed hair colour, but I have changed the colour of the clothes of my pesky elves.
I think there are 3 problems in the whole concept.
1..Photographers are reluctant to share their raws, if they have any.
2..Customers dont need them.
3.. The whole stock business evolves towards faster, more, cheaper, collections, and easy to use, and in that way RAW is counterproductive.
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At least selling raw files is a different idea. There's an obvious flaw though. You don't have buyers, people might try it if they were going to make some money but there's no incentive to upload.
I know its impossible to get buyers with no content and that's what's hindered many sites in recent years. The solution is to find out if there is really a big demand for raw files. Find some investors, get a load of cash and pay us to upload. I can't see any other way this would work as people are wary of new sites and really don't like uploading their raw files.
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Good luck to you, jotovs. You're fighting an uphill battle here trying to find any interested contributors.
Just to give you some idea of what you're up against, one of the most well-known people in the business (Bruce Livingstone) is launching a new company and even he is getting some resistance here. StockFresh was started a few years ago by some guys who also had previous experience in the business, and despite having a large library, buyers, and they are earning a bit for contributors, they still face constant criticism and resistance. That's what you can expect if people even already know who you are.
In your position, being an unknown person with seemingly little or no experience in the business, a site that frankly looks a bit amateurish (you'd do well to invest in a new logo), and nothing interesting to being in contributors, I think you're already done unless you drastically change things.
Your pricing needs work. To compare to StockFresh, they sell vectors for $10 and I keep half. Why would I come to you and have my work sell for $5?
Edit: Forgot to mention, you should just rename the whole thing right now. You already don't sell just photos, why call the site RawStockPhoto? Existing stock companies used "photo" in the name because that's how they started out, selling photos. I get that it's a tie in to the RAW offering, but it's not a good name for a media company that deals in much more than photos, and certainly more than RAW photos.
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Sites like Alamy prefer photos to be untouched for the same reason you are advocating selling RAW. There is little difference to a designer between an unedited photo as a jpeg or a RAW file. but as a seller I would be more willing to sell an unedited photo as a jpeg file. I would never sell a RAW file.
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Terms and conditions:
The site can change the agreement in any time without announcement and new terms are implicitly accept by a single access to the site. It's a joke. This means that if everyone access the site simply to view the earning and the terms are changed only for this access you accept the changes. I think that what this mean is easily understandable... Do you really want that everyday of my life I go to check your terms and conditions?
Part 17 of terms and conditions.
After the termination:
(b) all Products uploaded by Seller shall be removed from the Website; provided, however, that RawStockPhoto may continue to use the Product for internal archival and reference purposes;
Ypes! shall be removed from website = does mean nothing -- All products shall be removed within 10 days or 15 days i.e. And second part is the worst, the use for your internal archive? So you want keep the full resolution of the files for these pourposes. You really think that someone gift to the website a raw file under these conditions?
I'm sorry but I would never accept such conditions.
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Your pricing needs work. To compare to StockFresh, they sell vectors for $10 and I keep half. Why would I come to you and have my work sell for $5?
You sell vectors at Shutterstock for 38 cents don't you?
Under subscriptions. This isn't a subscription site.
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Your pricing needs work. To compare to StockFresh, they sell vectors for $10 and I keep half. Why would I come to you and have my work sell for $5?
You sell vectors at Shutterstock for 38 cents don't you?
Under subscriptions. This isn't a subscription site.
Subscriptions are just cheaper images nothing else. They look the same as regular sales, they have the same license, they are just cheaper. My guess is that if you lowered all the regular sale sites to the same prices as the subscription sites you would get the same volume of sales. Maybe if RawStockPhoto sold full sized images at .80 you would be ok with it since the volume would be very high?
I don't think that this would be the case. People buy a lot more when they have a subscription, since they want to download the max amount of images possible. For instance my Girlfriend had a subscription for a few months and really tried to download images each day.
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PLOOONK
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"Bulgaria"
see ya!
raw files.....pffsttt
Whats wrong with Bulgaria? Where are you from? Don`t you guys notice that 90% of the stuff you use (cloth, phones, computers,cars,...) comes from some "lousy third world countries with low english" like this? :o
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everytime a new site is here... it seems always got insulted..if i am the owner i will feel so hurted ha.
anyway, just an advise to new site owner who want to start a new site.. go and talk to those top contributor... there is no point if a site can't get them to join, if they join..u don't have to do much..and all guys will try to follow..
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RAW files?
Selling raw files? What would be the point in that?
Simple Example, I am a designer, and I make a project, Use a photo of a girl, I want to change the color, of her hair. The Photo I downloaded az JPG is with blond hair, but if I have a raw file with same girl and there she is with brown hair (darker hair), I can use this and make Black hair., I need this model exactly, not to look for other models with black hair.
if You onece proccess the photo (blond hair JPG), it is almost imposible to reverse. and make Black hair.
in DNG You may reverse to the very begining.
This i s just an example.
Why wouldn't you make a copy tif of the jpg and colour the hair black, and you still have the original blonde jpg as a separate file? I sent my sister several jpgs from one photo showing what her hair would look like in several different colours, and still had the original jpg untouched.
Probably I can not explain it well in English because I'm from Bulgaria, but what I mean is that for light or very light blonde hair can not do black. I have more than 10 years experience working with such images and believe me the already processed image you can not go back and do something else with it. You can use JPG az it is, or just make some samall color corrections.
I have no idea what software you are using that can change hair colour only in RAW. In fact, in my camera's RAW program and ACR, changing hair colour can't be done in the actual RAW software, (unless I'm missing something, I can only lighten or darken locally) but it can be done with a jpg, tif, psd, whatever in Photoshop.
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I wouldn't sell my RAW files. I'm sure others have said the same. not to mention a bazillion red flags on this one.
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"Bulgaria"
see ya!
raw files.....pffsttt
Whats wrong with Bulgaria? Where are you from? Don`t you guys notice that 90% of the stuff you use (cloth, phones, computers,cars,...) comes from some "lousy third world countries with low english" like this? :o
I know that and probably everyone here knowes that also.
but the reason i said what i said is because he wants raw files and since he is in Bulgaria what recorse do i have against him when he dissapears with my files and or money? thats why.
and for the record i love Bulgaria, its on tmy bucket list of places to visit. but that dosent mean i trust a stranger opening a new site wanting my "RAW" files no less!!!!
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"Bulgaria"
see ya!
raw files.....pffsttt
Whats wrong with Bulgaria? Where are you from? Don`t you guys notice that 90% of the stuff you use (cloth, phones, computers,cars,...) comes from some "lousy third world countries with low english" like this? :o
I know that and probably everyone here knowes that also.
but the reason i said what i said is because he wants raw files and since he is in Bulgaria what recorse do i have against him when he dissapears with my files and or money? thats why.
So, everyone who is from Bulgaria and wants to start is business is automatically a fraud? To be honest, I have worse experiences with US companies (e.g. Getty or Paypal).
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"Bulgaria"
see ya!
raw files.....pffsttt
Whats wrong with Bulgaria? Where are you from? Don`t you guys notice that 90% of the stuff you use (cloth, phones, computers,cars,...) comes from some "lousy third world countries with low english" like this? :o
I know that and probably everyone here knowes that also.
but the reason i said what i said is because he wants raw files and since he is in Bulgaria what recorse do i have against him when he dissapears with my files and or money? thats why.
So, everyone who is from Bulgaria and wants to start is business is automatically a fraud? To be honest, I have worse experiences with US companies (e.g. Getty or Paypal).
So, everyone who is from Bulgaria and wants to start is business is automatically "NOT" fraud?
Could be just me but i will pass on this.
and you like me have the option to do the same with getty and or paypal!
P.S. if the co. is where i am, then ican come after them using the laws of the condry we are in. and if that dont work i can pay them a visit:)
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Everyone has the right to their own choices, we offer you to upload Raw files, but you have the right Not to upload this is your choice. There are alternative, and the risk of repeate myself again I will say that the RAW format can be saved as DNG. Without Embading, the Original Raw Data.
This Format Allows more flexibility in post processing.
Raw is for you DNG is for us.
Exit the shell look from another angle. We know that photographers are not willing to upload their RAWs, but we try to make the site which would have such content.
see more about DNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Negative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Negative)
About Bulgaria, what to say I wish you to have the opportunity to visit our country.
We have "High blue mountains, sky like silk" as ever sang one of our songs
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Subscriptions are just cheaper images nothing else. They look the same as regular sales, they have the same license, they are just cheaper...
Totally not the same thing, at all. Subscriptions are built around the premise of making additional sales that often don't get used. It's volume plus overflow. If you have a subscription, you'll download images for comps, just to test them out, to have some similars on hand to try, etc. People don't pay for comp images in a credit system.
...Maybe if RawStockPhoto sold full sized images at .80 you would be ok with it since the volume would be very high?
What makes you think the volume would be very high? The company with the lowest price doesn't always win. It's about a lot more than that.
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RAW files?
Selling raw files? What would be the point in that?
if You onece proccess the photo (blond hair JPG), it is almost imposible to reverse. and make Black hair.
You clearly have no idea about how to use photoshop.
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...Exit the shell look from another angle. We know that photographers are not willing to upload their RAWs, but we try to make the site which would have such content.
You know it wont work but you're doing it anyway? Most people don't want to upload RAW files, so the only way to make it work would be if there was a huge demand from buyers and they were willing to pay a lot more than they do for jpegs. I don't see the huge demand, as all the other sites would offer raw files if their buyers were demanding it. I get very few requests from DT and I've never responded to one, as they aren't willing to pay extra.
You need to exit the shell and look from another angle, as you're not seeing reality at the moment. The facts are quite clear, this wont work. It's nice to have an idea that's a bit different but this isn't practical. New sites need to come up with ideas that haven't already been put on the scrap heap. That isn't easy, so they think up solutions to problems that don't exist or wont work in the real world.
At least this is a much better idea than the site that only wanted to sell black and white images :)
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RAW files in the digital world are the equivalent to negatives in the old film world. I'm sure you know this as the "DNG" you refer to actually stands for "digital negative". Most experienced photographers will only part with good "negatives" for an ultra-premium price. I'm afraid you are facing a very steep uphill battle with this idea, unfortunately. Your ambition is honorable, however, at this early stage in the game, you may want to redirect that ambition to a modified idea based on the input you've received here. It's not to late to step back and rethink your business plan. ;)