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Agency Based Discussion => New Sites - General => Topic started by: XeniaII on February 06, 2007, 20:21
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I love this forum realy but i ever ask me... why you dont load up to normal agencies ... there you get 18-60 euros per download... perhaps there are only in germany .. i dont now... but ask me.. i will help you with the keywords... exampel: panthermedia.de or digitalstock.de or adpic.de you can earn their monthly about 150 euros i do
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Xenia,
There has been some comments on other sites. I am in some macrostock, with a different portfolio of micro, although with some overlapping.
What sites do you suggest us?
Regards,
Adelaide
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xenia,
is it worth it? How many photos do you have online in one agency? And how many do you sell on average per month? Or what EUR per image per year would you expect?
What I read so far the $ per photo per year is better in microstock. Also for most non-micro you need to up-size images and burn them on DVD and send them to the agency by mail. More work. Some agencies require exclusivity?!
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I do both, and most of the time, I follow a few principles:
- I never upload the same images to both kind of agencies
- Unique photos, either because of quality or because they are difficult to find, mostly goes to macro-agencies, preferably as RM.
- "Isolated on white" goes almost exclusively to micro-stock.
- Editorial goes mostly to macro-agencies
Most of the macro agencies are more liberal with regards to technical quality than SS etc., but if the photo doesn't have unique qualities, it will sell slowly or not at all. Unique photos, with maybe a very small potential as micro, may well sell for big amounts as macro. Maybe only one or two times, but sometimes, that's enough.
In general though, except for a very few top photographers, most people have a higher earning per photo per year at the micros.
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An interesting question. Thanks for bringing it up.
It's something to think about.
There's also Alamy in the UK. What about agencies elsewhere in Europe ... in France? Italy? Spain? ... anyone know of any?
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I love this forum realy but i ever ask me... why you dont load up to normal agencies ... there you get 18-60 euros per download... perhaps there are only in germany .. i dont now... but ask me.. i will help you with the keywords... exampel: panthermedia.de or digitalstock.de or adpic.de you can earn their monthly about 150 euros i do
Hi Xenia, I am on Panthermedia.de, ist this the best German Stockphoto site or is Digitalstock or adpic.de better?
Panthermedia for me is from the income in average now like Stockxpert I would say, but you never know how many sales. Sometimes none for two month, than a 45 Euro dl then none again. In January I had 5 sales in a row, which was exciting, but then the dls stopped again. Panthermedia might work to make there site more international, hopefully they will have an their site in English soon...
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in Germany we have have very good agencies where your pictures are now presend... sorry my english is not good.. i always be angry when istock or shutterstock dont wont my images.. because they sell them for 25 uscent.. that in euros only 17 cent i think.. i stop uploading there.. shutterstock i realy like.. fotolia also!
My problem is.. i load to german agencies like:
http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047
adpic, digitalstock, mm-images and a lot more.. and i have nothing against stockagencies.. but i realy like the way they treat me! Fotolia dont do it... there i earn monthly 200 euros.. but at dreamtimes, shutter and istock i habe problems with model-release. My contracts are in germany and in germany you dont need widnesses... i cant put on my model 20 different releases bevor we shot!
I would realy want that you go to
panther, digitalstock, shotshop, and other german angencies.. perhaps there sole only 2 images a month for you.. but it brings also 50 euro and sorry thats better than sell 100 images for nossing...
thats my personal mind
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Wish I could read & write in German!
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no problem give me the keywords... i give you there in german
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in Germany we have have very good agencies where your pictures are now presend... sorry my english is not good.. i always be angry when istock or shutterstock dont wont my images.. because they sell them for 25 uscent.. that in euros only 17 cent i think.. i stop uploading there.. shutterstock i realy like.. fotolia also!
My problem is.. i load to german agencies like:
[url]http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047[/url]
adpic, digitalstock, mm-images and a lot more.. and i have nothing against stockagencies.. but i realy like the way they treat me! Fotolia dont do it... there i earn monthly 200 euros.. but at dreamtimes, shutter and istock i habe problems with model-release. My contracts are in germany and in germany you dont need widnesses... i cant put on my model 20 different releases bevor we shot!
I would realy want that you go to
panther, digitalstock, shotshop, and other german angencies.. perhaps there sole only 2 images a month for you.. but it brings also 50 euro and sorry thats better than sell 100 images for nossing...
thats my personal mind
@ Xenia,
Welche von denen bringen am meisten Einkommen? Sind da irgendwelche, die besser laufen als Panthermedia? Ich bin bei PM, aber ich kenne die anderen nicht.
Which one of those bring in the most earnings? Are there any which are better than Panthermedia? I do do not know any other German agencies than PM.
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@Freezingpictures
http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047
Panthermedia ist so schlecht gar nicht, letzten Monat gab es immerhin 70 Euro :-) Ein Bild für: 25 Euro zwei für 20! Da tut mir das wenige Downloaden nicht weh!
Ansonsten arbeite ich mit:
http://www.adpic.de
Dort muss man sich allerdings erst mit einem Portfolio vorstellen und bekommt dann einen Zugang! Umsatz monatlich um die 100 Euro, hab aber auch nur jetzt 500 Bilder online!
http://www.digitalstock.de/
Auszahlung ab 50 Euro per Überweisung, schaffe ich auch monatlich. Allerdings habe ich dort 1500 Bilder online! Aber ein Bild für 5 Euro zu verkaufen anstatt für 20 cent macht einfach mehr spass!
http://photographer.shotshop.com/
Sie verkaufen nicht viel, aber immerhin gibt es pro Bild 15 Euro und im Quartal sind auch 120 Euro möglich bei 96 Bilder online!
http://www.bildunion.de/
Gewöhnungsbedürfte Benutzerführung, Verkäufe aber ok! Pro Bild gibt es 4,27 Euro!
http://www.pitopia.de
Sehr coole noch recht neue Agentur. Pro Bildverkauf gibt es immerhin 16,20 Euros. Ich habe innerhalb von 2 Monaten zwar nur 3 Bilder verkauft, aber sie kommen!
http://www.best-shots.de/
Die gibt es auch keine Ahnung ob die verkaufen, hab mich aber angemeldet!
http://bilddatenbank24.de/
Jetzt billiges Layout und gewöhnungsbedürftig aber sie verkaufen. Pro Bild 39 Euro, die Hälfte kriegt der Fotograf!
http://fotografen.sodapix.com/
Eine Agentur für eher untypische nicht glamourmässige Motive. Umständliche Benutzerführung, aber ok
http://www.mm-images.de
Ein zwei-mann unternehmen, Bilder werden nur per CD hingeschickt, ähnlich wie Bilderbox in der Schweiz!
Now i will do my best in english ... pooh
@Freezingpictures
http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=2047
Panthermedia is realy don’t bad. Last month i sold 3 images, but I get 75 Euro for that. For me it is better to sell 3 than 300 for the same price.
Otherwise i work with the following agencies:
http://www.adpic.de
Here you must send a link to your portfolio. If the like your work you get the facts to log-in. Here I earn 100 Euro monthly but I have only 500 picts online. You sell your pics from 3-9 Euros!
http://www.digitalstock.de/
You get Payment when you reach 50 Euro, only banktransfer i think. I get monthly about 100 Euros but there I have 1500 pictures online. In worstcase you get 4,66 per download.
http://photographer.shotshop.com/
They dont sell much pictures, but when you get 15 Euro per Download. I have 96 pics online and get 120 euros every 3 month.
http://www.bildunion.de/
You get 4,27 per sold picture. I only sell 3 a month but i have not much online there!
http://www.pitopia.de
A very cool new agencie. You get 16,20 Euro per download. Last 2 Month i sold 3 Pictures! Thats ok for me!
http://www.best-shots.de/
I realy dont now if the sell pictures, i only want you to now the name
http://bilddatenbank24.de/
a very poor layout – yes... no comfort, but they sell. For every picture 39 Euro, the photographer gets 50%. I sold last month 2 Pictures!
http://fotografen.sodapix.com/
A agencie which dont wont typical model-style fotos! If you have fotos of children which cry or terrible houswifes, than sodapix is good for you
http://www.mm-images.de
you can send your pictures per post on a cd, than you get the contract. They handle like bilderbox, but you get 50% of all earnings
Hope this will help you
Best regards yvonne
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Thank you for the lengthy post, Xenia. I'm sure it will be useful for many of us. Vielen Danke! :)
Regards,
Adelaide
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Merci bien Xenia! Chapeau!
Sorry ... I don't speak German. Will French do? :)
There's some really useful information in your post, it's a great source for broadening our horizons. Thanks again.
(Side note ... this forum is the greatest. Open discussion and helpful members. Thanks to all, and especially Tyler.)
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Thankyou Xenia, that indeed was very informative. If I have time, I think I will look into some of those agencies..
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Anyway you can have those sites automatically translated from german to english in IE7?
I can sort of follow some of it (Because I'm Afrikaans), but not exactly 100%
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What about this :)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.panthermedia.net%2F%3Faff%3D2047&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
(Includes the referral link of Xenia)
Panthermedia in English, didn't know that was that easy :)
Here is the google link to translate websites:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t
You probably can do this via the the googletoolbar, I have the German version, so it all translates from other languages to German. So probably the English version translates from other languages in English.
So if you would use Xenia's or mine Referral link for Panthermedia, that would be nice :)
If you register I would recommend you to register as "Salesman" or "FC-Standard" thats for free.
For Keywords as I mentioned somewhere else, you can get them translated on SS or IS, there is an option to switch to another language.
If you have any further questions..
Happy uploading ;)
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yeah i thought of signing up but keywording would be a night mare and way too time consuming unless i could submit them in english?!
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Thanks for the information, Xenia.
Are all those sites royalty free, so that you are free to submit them to microstock sites too?
Inger
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yes all royalty free i can put my pictures everywhere
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Hi Xenia,
vielen Dank fuer die Informationen. Werde mir die Agenturenmal ansehen. Alle Keywords zu uebersetzen macht wuerde aber ordentlich Arbeit machen. Werde wohl eine Auswahl treffen muessen :)
Great Info.
Thanks,
Thorsten
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yes all royalty free i can put my pictures everywhere
Yes, legally you can do it. But do you need to be a bit careful?
Some of the sites you mention sell RF for $50, $100 or more, depending on size and usage.
It may not do your reputation a lot of good if a buyer takes one of your RF images for $50, and then finds they could have got exactly the same image from a microstock at $5.
It may also drive customers away from the higher-priced sites (which are also better-paying for us photographers).
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It may not do your reputation a lot of good if a buyer takes one of your RF images for $50, and then finds they could have got exactly the same image from a microstock at $5.
*IF* license terms are the same. In SP and KI, for instance, the license agreement allows the use in items for resale, so it's more like an EL in microstock.
Regards,
Adelaide
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... In SP and KI, for instance ...
Sorry for being dense, but I don't quite follow ... what are SP and KI?
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Thats right Bateleur --- some agencies like mm-stock only take images of me which i dont have by the microstocks.. but that is ok.. they cant want 60 euros per download when i sell them elsewhere for 20 cent!
I realy understand that and when i dont must live at my photographies i never would sell at microstock! Because I realy know which work you need to make a good photo and it is not unfair to want to be paid for it:-)
My way... in the moment i testet a lot of agencies .. but i thing when macrostock will be better to plan for me i dont will upload to microstock anymore.. my heard always cry when i sold a pic for 25 uscent.. in euro only 17 cent!
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Sorry for being dense, but I don't quite follow ... what are SP and KI?
ShutterPoint and KeenImages, respectively.
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Sorry for being dense, but I don't quite follow ... what are SP and KI?
ShutterPoint and KeenImages, respectively.
Okay ... thanks. Two more agencies I didn't know about. :)
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Sorry for being dense, but I don't quite follow ... what are SP and KI?
ShutterPoint and KeenImages, respectively.
Interesting ... I have just googled both those agencies to find their web sites, tried to check out their conditions, and got error messages for both of them.
I wonder what's going on ...
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SP and KI are sister companies. SP had lots of problems yesterday and was down this morning, but it is fine now. I suppose KI shared the same problem. A guy who works in IT told me he was able to check that they had some server problem yesterday.
These are my referrals, should you care to join:
Shutterpoint (http://www.shutterpoint.com/Home-Photographer.cfm?ai=MXHW75)
KeenImages (http://www.keenimages.com?ai=FK5WF5)
SP is a paid storage site with no image inspection, KI is a free storage site with image inspection.
Regards,
Adelaide
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Hi! folks,
I got this reply from sodapix. It would be grateful if someone can help me translate the text. Thank you and best regards. masterpiece.
"Herzlichen Glückwunsch, wir begrüssen Sie als neuen Sodagrapher!
Wir haben Ihr Portfolio gesichtet und sind davon überzeugt, dass Ihre Bilder zu unserem Sodapix-Stil passen.
Um mit dem Upload Ihrer Bilder zu beginnen, bitten wir Sie, Ihre Anmeldung mit einem Klick auf «Konto aktivieren» abzuschliessen:
Konto aktivieren
Falls der Link nicht funktioniert, wenden Sie sich an Ihr Sodapix-Team.
Ebenfalls bitten wir Sie, uns den Fotografenvertrag in zweifacher Ausführung unterschrieben per Post zurückzusenden. Erst dann können wir Ihre Bilder mit vollen Rechten auf der Verkaufsplattform anbieten.
Fotografenvertrag herunterladen
Wir freuen uns auf die Zusammenarbeit!
Freundliche Grüsse,
Ihr Sodapix-Team"
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Crappy translation from AltaVista's BabelFish:
", we you welcome congratulations as new Sodagrapher! We sighted and are convinced your Portfolio of the fact that your pictures fit our Sodapix style. In order to begin with the Upload of your pictures, we ask you, your registration with one let us click on "account activate" to lock: Case the left activates, contacts account not functioned you your Sodapix team. Likewise we ask you to send us back the photographer contract in double execution signed by post office. Only then we can offer your pictures with full rights on the sales platform. Photographer contract download We look forward to co-operation! Friendly greetings, your Sodapix team "
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Its OK ChrisRabior. Not to worry. Now I understand
what the message says.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your help.
Best regards.
mAsTeRpIeCe
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Very interesting discussion!
Thanks for all the useful information Xenia! :)
Verena
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Any suggestions what kind of pics to submit to Panthermedia. I uploaded a like 10 or so - all studio people pics I also have on US micro sites (mostly kids). Is there a particular topic/style/subject you recommend? What do you think the critical portfolio size is? I simply don't have 500 great pics - at least not yet. Do pics keep selling or do you have to "keep feeding the hungry beast" as people say of SS and I have experienced on DT myself?
So far I have had very few views and no sales but its only been like two weeks.
Great discussion - thanks!
Tina
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Hi Tina,
you do not have to feed the "hungry beast " :). I got sales after I have done nothing for months. Yes that is right, you do not get a lot of views. I am not really sure which sells best on PM, but Business photos should in gerneral be the best selling pics. Also if PM accepts your image and your image gets an "Redaktions Empfehlung" you are much more likely to have sales I would say, because they come up on the first pages, for the buyer who searches images.
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That's good to know, thanks. I got a bunch of "Empfehlungen" and whats called "Red. Tipp" - not sure what the difference is but I guess it musst mean something good.
I'll just try individual photos from "tricky categories" like landscapes, flowers and see whether they are excepted, if so, I can still do more. I think Xenia's point earlier that it makes little sense to upload the same pics that people can buy somewhere else for $1. Trouble is, a lot of my people pics are online soemwhere.
Tina
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I have the same images I got on PM also on the other sites.
The reason is that I didn't apply for the PM-Collection. PM knows there are cheaper sites. They only bother if you want you images in the PM collection. Then as I understand it, they should not be sold somewhere else for a cheaper price.