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kall3bu:
To let all contributers know, I copy an email I got from wirestock today and my answer. On one hand I might be interested, but I am very suspectful. In my opinion it is much more important that wirestock should improve their keywording first and give the contributer the control about the images by getting viewed on which agency each image gor really online and with which keywords and which keyword order.

Here the email from wirestock:

Dear ...,

We are happy to inform you that your portfolio has been selected for the Instant Pay Program.

You have 26 photos that have been listed for more than 4 months and have not generated any earnings. We would like to improve this and include these photos in our Instant Pay Program. The program allows contributors to receive advance payments from our new partners - Freepik, as well as other Instant Pay partner marketplaces.

You will receive a one-time advance payment of $4-5/image from each agency that selects your images. This means that you can potentially earn $88.4 (26*$3.40) and even more if multiple agencies select your images. Please note that the images may be listed for free download on the agencies that select them. Periodically, we will review your portfolio and send more photos with low sales for Instant Pay.

If you wish to opt out of the Instant Pay Program, please email us by 28 November 2020.

Regards,
Wirestock Team

Btw: Just one week to decide - to short in my opinion!

Here my answer to wirestock:

Dear wirestock team,
To be able to decide if I want take that chance or opt out, I need more information!
Which 26 photos are selected?
After that period time they will get changed with others of my portfolio or kept there forever? I get one time money or after that period another time?
I need a full list of the agencies which might select them and at least really select which photo.

You give your contributor only one week to opt out without enough information. That's bad.

You should also let me know easily, where all images at least really got accepted and online!

When you will organize that? Thats  more important than try new things.
And at least: even if I found my images online on each agency after long time research:
On alamy I cannot prove if you selected the right 10 most important keywords or the right order on Adobe.
After 1 month keywords are not that important anymore  - for example on Adobe  - and the images getting lost.
You might remember that I asked you to change the keywords for many of my images. You did it for the most of them, but very late  - to late  - after 1 month +
That means: because of your bad and wrong keywording that images didn't get any chance for sale.
And now you ask me me for giving them away for free.

I would prefer to delete them all and upload them again to give them a real chance for sale in the important first month.
But your keywording is still to bad and a few reviewers from you are to lazy to follow instructions from the contributor.

My advice for you:
Learn hardly for your skills like keywording first and find a way to show contributers each image got online at which agency with which keywords and order of keywords.

If there is any link with more information about your Instant Pay Program, please send me.
Only because I know about Adobe new free pic section/action, I can guess that Adobe could be one of that agencies, but Adobe changes the images after 1 year.

Regards

Uncle Pete:
The answer is in the email you posted: You have 26 photos that have been listed for more than 4 months and have not generated any earnings. Unsold images are eligible for Instant Pay. No they don't say which ones, until after you get credited with $3.40, but you should know what images you have there, with no sales?

If you allow this program, there's no promise that all of them will be picked up by the FREE agencies. Only that these 26 images are eligible to be picked. You will get $3.40 for each one selected. I don't know why the email says $4-5, because it's the $3.40 that right after that, which is the truth. They get 15% you get 85%

You need to decide for yourself, do you want to have your image on a free site, forever, for a one time payment of $3.40. It's that simple. I asked and a friend asked, can we selectively Opt out individual images and WS said no. You are in or you aren't. That could change, but that's the last we were told.

This isn't new, maybe new to you. I think you are distracted with all the keyword, order, resubmit and other issues, which have nothing to do with Instant Pay, or Wirestock actually. True the keywords are often not very specific. Right, they do what order they want. Correct, we don't know where our images are accepted. No we can't change or edit anything. You can't delete and re-upload images for better placement, because they are already accepted on various agencies. You can't be playing, add and remove and add again tricks, hoping somehow you get seen as new.

But here's what WS is. We drop our images and forget about them. No keywords, no details, don't spend time. (Wirestock does see the embedded keywords now, I don't know to what extent they use them) Wirestock has been using my titles for the images recently, read from the IPTC data. If you want to know and control everything, you'll need to upload them on your own. Or use StockSubmitter? When you go to Wirestock, you may have noticed, you can't even see what keywords are attached to the images?

https://wirestock.io/terms_of_use

"Instant Pay Program

Certain content marketplaces pay an advanced fix rate per image rather than paying per download (“Advanced Rate”). Wirestock refers to this as “Instant Pay” or the “Instant Pay Program.” Wirestock negotiates the Advanced Rate with each content marketplace that participates in the Instant Pay Program. When you agree to upload your Content for Instant Pay, none of your rights change – you still own your Content and it is still distributed through the content marketplaces. For each of your Content for which Wirestock receives payment from content marketplaces that pay an Advanced Rate (the “Advanced Rate Payout”), you agree that Wirestock will pay you 85% of the Advanced Rate Payout, but will keep 15% of the Advanced Rate Payout."

I'll repeat this part: Once someone has paid the $4 which gives you 85%, and you are paid $3.40, they get your image to give away forever. If you close your WS account that doesn't get any images deactivated or returned. No credits, no attribution, no anything. You get $3.40 which is a one time payment for some site to use your image for eternity.

If $3.40 means something to you for an image with no sales, that's nice. If you want to retain control of your work and not have it given away for free, maybe not good.

I don't think this has anything to do with the Adobe program, because that's one year and negotiated with the artists. I suppose it's not impossible that Adobe made a deal with Wirestock for one years free use, which would actually be better than free forever on other sites.

Jo Ann Snover:

--- Quote from: kall3bu on November 21, 2020, 08:29 ---...On one hand I might be interested, but I am very suspectful...

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Full disclosure: I don't submit to Wirestock and I think their service is terrible - largely because of the atrocious keywords.

They are offering you a bad bargain and although everyone perks up at the idea of a deal, this option would benefit them more than you. I'm sure you realize they wouldn't offer you this money unless they though they could earn more than that - possibly in one-time payments from Freepik or other partner sites.

The fact that Wirestock's keywording is so bad that a prime reason good images wouldn't sell is because no buyer ever saw them makes the deal even more shady. Wirestock is looking to make a quick profit, keeping its costs as low as possible.

Keyword your own images (and have metadata saved in the image files) and upload them yourself to the few major agencies that can actually deliver buyers. Keywording may be a pain, but without it - or with useless rubbish keywords like Wirestock - you might as well just stop uploading.

kall3bu:
Thanks a lot for your opinions, Jo Ann and especially for the detailed clearify from Uncle Pete!

I posted it here, because it was new for me and I thought, others here should know about it.

Jo Ann discribed exactly what I was thinking directly, too:
#this option would benefit them more than you. I'm sure you realize they wouldn't offer you this money unless they though they could earn more than that#

And yes, I already stopped uploading to wirestock, well, only bad images I am lazy to keywording. But even these images we should upload ourself, because we never know, might be someone will buy it. For that boring images we can upload them to the cheap agencies like shitterstock, deposit, 123RF and newly yay. On other sites I would feel ashame uploading that boring images, lol.

Uncle Pete:

--- Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on November 21, 2020, 12:07 ---
--- Quote from: kall3bu on November 21, 2020, 08:29 ---...On one hand I might be interested, but I am very suspectful...

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Full disclosure: I don't submit to Wirestock and I think their service is terrible - largely because of the atrocious keywords.

They are offering you a bad bargain and although everyone perks up at the idea of a deal, this option would benefit them more than you. I'm sure you realize they wouldn't offer you this money unless they though they could earn more than that - possibly in one-time payments from Freepik or other partner sites.

The fact that Wirestock's keywording is so bad that a prime reason good images wouldn't sell is because no buyer ever saw them makes the deal even more shady. Wirestock is looking to make a quick profit, keeping its costs as low as possible.

Keyword your own images (and have metadata saved in the image files) and upload them yourself to the few major agencies that can actually deliver buyers. Keywording may be a pain, but without it - or with useless rubbish keywords like Wirestock - you might as well just stop uploading.

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I won't disagree with your opinions but one small correction or change. They read the metadata off the IPTC now, so titles and keywords have become better. The keywording may have improved. Still, you make the main point of anything we do. If the buyer can't find our work or see them in a search, we'll never make a sale.

The Instant Download has an opt out. I'd say, almost everyone would consider that the way to go. Except if someone only uploads, leftovers and images that haven't sold anywhere in ten years, for example.  ;)

WS is a nice way to be lazy with leftovers. I'm over $100 since I started this year, which beats DT, Alamy and iStock for the year. I don't expect that to happen next year or in the future.

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