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Title: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cathyslife on June 21, 2020, 07:03
#boycott shutterstock. I deleted my images. Sorry, you have to make so many posts to be “in”. This is that.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: BryonManning on September 08, 2020, 14:48
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Mantis on September 08, 2020, 20:20
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

Okay, you obviously have not been following what is going on at SS. Or don’t care that they are ripping you off. Search this forum.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 08, 2020, 21:44
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

Okay, you obviously have not been following what is going on at SS. Or don’t care that they are ripping you off. Search this forum.

Guess we need to give the befuddled guy a break. That was his first post here.

And hey, he's got 100 photos on Shitterstock, sometimes gets royalties, doing great!!!!

So… whadda we know???
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: komikmiha on September 09, 2020, 06:02
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

And we really believe you. 100 photos and you get royalties.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Hannafate on September 09, 2020, 07:31
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

Have you done a google reverse image search for your photos?  You may be surprised to see them in use in more places than your royalties can account for.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: rinderart on September 10, 2020, 00:10
Hey Bryon. would love to see a Link to your Portfolio.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Microstockphoto on September 10, 2020, 01:44
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is knock you down and trash all over you and he'lll come up with a 50 year old story how he's been around since the 1800s shooting with magnesium flashes etc and that he makes 100k for a single photo yet he is still here selling images for 10 cent on shutterstock. he still has over 7000 images there and adding which makes him a hypocrite as well.

no one is allowed a different opinion from the masses up here, if you have you'll get trashed, mocked, insulted and patronised, just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: komikmiha on September 10, 2020, 07:02
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is knock you down and trash all over you and he'lll come up with a 50 year old story how he's been around since the 1800s shooting with magnesium flashes etc and that he makes 100k for a single photo yet he is still here selling images for 10 cent on shutterstock. he still has over 7000 images there and adding which makes him a hypocrite as well.

no one is allowed a different opinion from the masses up here, if you have you'll get trashed, mocked, insulted and patronised, just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

If you sell photos for .10$ you are a fool. That's it.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cathyslife on September 10, 2020, 08:47
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is knock you down and trash all over you and he'lll come up with a 50 year old story how he's been around since the 1800s shooting with magnesium flashes etc and that he makes 100k for a single photo yet he is still here selling images for 10 cent on shutterstock. he still has over 7000 images there and adding which makes him a hypocrite as well.

no one is allowed a different opinion from the masses up here, if you have you'll get trashed, mocked, insulted and patronised, just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

And yet that’s exactly what you do/are doing  ::)
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: oooo on September 10, 2020, 14:28
ridiculous thread,
its no wonder agencies get away with everything
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 10, 2020, 22:13
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is  just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

I am a sweet old lady!

The fact that I hang out with this group proves my sweetness, doesn't it?

And my old age is obvious from my photo.

 :D ;D :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-X :-\ :-* :'( :) ??? :( :-X :-*
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: gillian vann on September 11, 2020, 01:35
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is  just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

I am a sweet old lady!

The fact that I hang out with this group proves my sweetness, doesn't it?

And my old age is obvious from my photo.

 :D ;D :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-X :-\ :-* :'( :) ??? :( :-X :-*

haha, I was sweet, and after hanging out here for a few years I'm a Cranky Old Crone.  ;D ;D
my photo is at least 10 years old, taken on the good side of 40.

Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Hannafate on September 11, 2020, 08:26
*waving*  another crotchety old bat here.
Shutterstock was my first stock site, way back when I was enthusiastic about the business.
Now, I want to spit on their CEO.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 09:13
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is  just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

I am a sweet old lady!

The fact that I hang out with this group proves my sweetness, doesn't it?

And my old age is obvious from my photo.

 :D ;D :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-X :-\ :-* :'( :) ??? :( :-X :-*

haha, I was sweet, and after hanging out here for a few years I'm a Cranky Old Crone.  ;D ;D
my photo is at least 10 years old, taken on the good side of 40.

I must 'fess up… I'm getting crankier and older by the day.

And yes, my photo here was taken about the same time as yours, back when I was still on the good side of 60.

Cranky Old Crones, Unite! :D
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 09:18
*waving*  another crotchety old bat here.
Shutterstock was my first stock site, way back when I was enthusiastic about the business.
Now, I want to spit on their CEO.

Crochety old bat here, too!!!

I joined SS early in 2009 (the year my photo here was taken), back in the olden days when you had to pass a test to get in. I got in on the first try, with a set of hard-to-shoot bird photos, no less. Only after joining this forum a few years later did I learn how rare that was. I was proud to be a contributor to SS and even with a small portfolio made decent money.

Now I share your desire to spit, except I'd happily spit on the whole Shitterstock operation, not just the CEO.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cathyslife on September 11, 2020, 10:14
Cranky, crotchety old crone here too. Microstock and photography was supposed to be at least part of my retirement. Yeah, right. Plan A up in smoke.

 👩‍💻  📷  💣  💥
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: stockastic on September 11, 2020, 10:20
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is knock you down and trash all over you and he'lll come up with a 50 year old story how he's been around since the 1800s shooting with magnesium flashes etc and that he makes 100k for a single photo yet he is still here selling images for 10 cent on shutterstock. he still has over 7000 images there and adding which makes him a hypocrite as well.

no one is allowed a different opinion from the masses up here, if you have you'll get trashed, mocked, insulted and patronised, just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

And yet that’s exactly what you do/are doing  ::)

Best to lead with a stream of personal insults,  ridicule and age-ism.  Then, follow with your own victimization and a heroic appeal for freedom and tolerance.

"Oh would some power the gift give us, To see ourselves as others see us"
- Robert Burns

Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 11:42
Cranky, crotchety old crone here too.

Cathy, here's a thought:

Maybe we cranky and crochety old crones should start our own microstock sales site.

Just think of the fun promotions we could put out!

PS: Shelma probably isn't a cranky and crochety old crone just yet, but she might want to consider joining us, too. :D
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: ShadySue on September 11, 2020, 12:23
Grumpy Old Woman aka Stoppy Scottish Cow here.

Happily, never contributed to SS, as I wouldn't knowingly upload for 25c. (Yeah, ironically, I'm leaving files elsewhere which can earn less, though the average is the right side of $1. Sometimes only just.  :( Occasionally submitting, but only when I incur no expenses other than time and electricity.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 14:06
Grumpy Old Woman aka Stoppy Scottish Cow here.

Welcome, Grumpy Old Woman, to the Crabby, Cranky, and Crochety Crones Club here on MSG!

Abbreviated simply as CC & CC.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cascoly on September 11, 2020, 16:32
ridiculous thread,
its no wonder agencies get away with everything

and no wonder newbies don't stick around!
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Microstock Posts on September 11, 2020, 16:33
Thanks for the laugh you crochety, crakety, cranky, grumpy, crabby, cranky crones. ;D
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cascoly on September 11, 2020, 16:34
byron dont listen to rinder the old fool, he has no real interest in your portfolio all he wants to do is knock you down and trash all over... [repellent attack deleted]..
no one is allowed a different opinion from the masses up here, if you have you'll get trashed, mocked, insulted and patronised, just see the comment from martha as an example and she is supposed to be a sweet old lady

there you go again --more ad hominem attacks. i know he can stand up for himself, but when have you seen rinder attack a  newbie? and when have you seen an attack as vicious as yours on him?
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cascoly on September 11, 2020, 16:42
Thanks for the laugh you crochety, crakety, cranky, grumpy, crabby, cranky crones. ;D

where do i sign up for male auxiliary? the only equivalent male terms seem to be curmudgeon or git, hardly the same
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Medstockphotos on September 11, 2020, 18:00
Old, retired, battle-ax nurse here.  You know...the kind who would yank you up outta your hospital bed the day after hip replacement surgery saying "you lay down, you die!".  ;)
Maybe totally boycotting the Bass-turds was a bit too much to ask since so many lost their "real" jobs due to the Covid crap.  Don't even get me started on just how unbelievably evil that was!  Maybe instead we could try to convince people to commit to a "Shutter-shite Last" policy.  If you absolutely HAVE to upload new material to them at least commit to putting them last on the list, 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months, whatever.  Maybe the word would "accidentally" get out that most new files go to other agencies first?
I honestly don't know what to do about them.  I do still sell there (I wish I could afford not to), but deleted the top 25% of my port and in the future they only get "new" photos that don't sell anywhere else after a year.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 18:11
Thanks for the laugh you crochety, crakety, cranky, grumpy, crabby, cranky crones. ;D

Hey, we do aim to please! :D :D :D
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Shelma1 on September 11, 2020, 19:45
Cranky, crotchety old crone here too.

Cathy, here's a thought:

Maybe we cranky and crochety old crones should start our own microstock sales site.

Just think of the fun promotions we could put out!

PS: Shelma probably isn't a cranky and crochety old crone just yet, but she might want to consider joining us, too. :D

Definitely cranky, crotchety, outright b*itchy and over 60. So I guess I’m a nasty old hag.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 20:43
Cranky, crotchety old crone here too.

Cathy, here's a thought:

Maybe we cranky and crochety old crones should start our own microstock sales site.

Just think of the fun promotions we could put out!

PS: Shelma probably isn't a cranky and crochety old crone just yet, but she might want to consider joining us, too. :D

Definitely cranky, crotchety, outright b*itchy and over 60. So I guess I’m a nasty old hag.

Nasty old hag? Nah, that doesn't fit at all.

But still, you're entirely welcome to join our fun little CC&CC Club! :D
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 11, 2020, 20:44
Old, retired, battle-ax nurse here. 

You're warmly welcome to the CC&CC Club, too!

Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: wordplanet on September 12, 2020, 13:24
Being on the wrong side of 60 I'll join the CC&CC!

I got into ss in 2008 on the first try too which didn't seem like a big deal. I remember making $60+ a month with under 100 images back then but feeling badly that I was only get a few cents for a license. Who knew more than a decade later prices would be even lower and that macrostock sites would follow shutterstock's lead? I joined the boycott and sold my ss stock, but still need to go in and actually delete my portfolio, hoping I don't have to do it one photo at a time. I wasn't making enough there to make it a hard decision and really admire those who gave up real $$$$ to do so.

I also admire people who take good bird photos - one of the hardest subjects out there. My best sellers are lighthouses LOL - easy to shoot since they don't move!

Cranky old ladies and birdwatchers unite!  8)
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 12, 2020, 13:57
Being on the wrong side of 60 I'll join the CC&CC!
...
Cranky old ladies and birdwatchers unite!  8)

Yep. We cranky old ladies and birdwatchers must stick together. (And BTW, I'm on the wrong side of 70, so… leading the pack around these parts, I suspect.)

Welcome to the CC&CC Club!
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: wordplanet on September 12, 2020, 14:18
Being on the wrong side of 60 I'll join the CC&CC!
...
Cranky old ladies and birdwatchers unite!  8)

Yep. We cranky old ladies and birdwatchers must stick together. (And BTW, I'm on the wrong side of 70, so… leading the pack around these parts, I suspect.)

Welcome to the CC&CC Club!

Thanks!  8)
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 13, 2020, 04:00
Of course the REASON they cut now and so severely is precisely because they KNEW not as many people could stop uploading because of the desperation caused by the pandemic. You are seeing it all over with corporations using the opportunity to **** their workers. It is 100% because of the pandemic, just not they way they claim.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: cascoly on September 14, 2020, 17:37
Of course the REASON they cut now and so severely is precisely because they KNEW not as many people could stop uploading because of the desperation caused by the pandemic. You are seeing it all over with corporations using the opportunity to **** their workers. It is 100% because of the pandemic, just not they way they claim.

how dogmatic!  no chance that there may be other non-pandemic reasons?  a policy change like this doesnt come out of thin air and the bigger the company the slower to make drastic changes.

not to mention the US-centric view -- MOST of the world is getting back to work; the US has been crippled by ignorant 'leaders' who have cost 10's of thousands of lives
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on September 15, 2020, 06:20
Of course the REASON they cut now and so severely is precisely because they KNEW not as many people could stop uploading because of the desperation caused by the pandemic. You are seeing it all over with corporations using the opportunity to **** their workers. It is 100% because of the pandemic, just not they way they claim.

... no chance that there may be other non-pandemic reasons?...
There is only one reason, putting money in their pockets. Pandemic isn't the reason, it the tool that gave them the opportunity to **** us to a degree that they never could have contemplated in better times.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: marthamarks on September 15, 2020, 10:15
the US has been crippled by ignorant 'leaders' who have cost 10's of thousands of lives

Amen to that.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Uncle Pete on September 15, 2020, 11:56
Of course the REASON they cut now and so severely is precisely because they KNEW not as many people could stop uploading because of the desperation caused by the pandemic. You are seeing it all over with corporations using the opportunity to **** their workers. It is 100% because of the pandemic, just not they way they claim.

how dogmatic!  no chance that there may be other non-pandemic reasons?  a policy change like this doesnt come out of thin air and the bigger the company the slower to make drastic changes.

not to mention the US-centric view -- MOST of the world is getting back to work; the US has been crippled by ignorant 'leaders' who have cost 10's of thousands of lives

Personally I think this plan was created when Jon was turning over the power to Stan. That long ago, before the Pandemic. Corporate is not fast moving or flexible. I think others here have worked in "big business" where nothing happens without, study, committee, reviews, policy, legal and then revisions. I honestly don't think that SS said, "Oh pandemic, perfect time to screw all the contributors, because the economy is going to be down, sales low and they will be desperate."

In fact the plan stinks and is poorly timed if SS actually cared about keeping their best content? Would anyone intentionally offend the best suppliers and drive them to other agencies?

This was poorly timed by SS and poorly enacted, when it should have been held back. However new CEO needs to make his improved earnings in order to get his big bonus and prove his worth to the corporation, so that tops any content or contributor concerns.
 
"Shutterstock founder and CEO Jon Oringer today (Feb. 13, 2020) announced that he will be stepping down as the chief executive of the publicly traded image marketplace. Stan Pavlovsky, Shutterstock’s current president and COO, will take over as CEO starting April 1, 2020. Oringer, who owns 45% of Shutterstock, will move to executive chairman. "

This plan was likely in the works, irrespective of any virus or world pandemic.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Shelma1 on September 15, 2020, 14:23
It was in the works long before Pavlovsky became CEO, IMO. Getting rid of customer service for contributors, tons of rejections for established contributors, flooding the site with similars, allowing 50 identical keywords until we put up a big stink, smaller and smaller royalties and fewer and fewer big sales...that all started years ago.

Shutterstock was never about helping contributors make a living or being a viable business long term. Its only purpose was to make Oringer, the investors and a couple of chosen others rich.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: H2O on September 16, 2020, 05:10
As well as contributing to Stock sites, I often buy from them as well, I am in the middle of upgrading a website, am I going to be buying from Shutterstock, well I don't think so, I am off to Adobe.

How many other designers will do this, my guess is just about all of them.

Shutterstock have really annoyed the very people who not only sell on their site, but the buyers as well, in my opinion it is just a matter of time until they are in the Middle Tier for earnings.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Uncle Pete on September 18, 2020, 12:55
It was in the works long before Pavlovsky became CEO, IMO. Getting rid of customer service for contributors, tons of rejections for established contributors, flooding the site with similars, allowing 50 identical keywords until we put up a big stink, smaller and smaller royalties and fewer and fewer big sales...that all started years ago.

Shutterstock was never about helping contributors make a living or being a viable business long term. Its only purpose was to make Oringer, the investors and a couple of chosen others rich.

Ding Ding Ding and a Bingo.  ;D

And none of the other sites are either. Many have pretended, but the truth is, this is nothing but getting images and video for the lowest cost, and making the most profit for the owners.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Uncle Pete on September 18, 2020, 13:28
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

Have you done a google reverse image search for your photos?  You may be surprised to see them in use in more places than your royalties can account for.

You talking about Dreamstime or Deposit Photos?
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: trabuco on September 19, 2020, 00:08
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

Have you done a google reverse image search for your photos?  You may be surprised to see them in use in more places than your royalties can account for.

You talking about Dreamstime or Deposit Photos?

What? I have seen my Deposit files in other places but linked to Deposit.
Title: Re: boycott shutterstock
Post by: Uncle Pete on September 19, 2020, 10:23
And why the boycott? I have about 100 photos there, I sometimes get royalties. There have never been any problems.

Have you done a google reverse image search for your photos?  You may be surprised to see them in use in more places than your royalties can account for.

You talking about Dreamstime or Deposit Photos?

What? I have seen my Deposit files in other places but linked to Deposit.

Not linked, not sourced, not credited.

Have you seen you iStock, Dreamstime or other places photos as Hanna has observed? Especially questionable is how some images arrived at Freepix? I know she's hinting that they come from SS, but they also come from other places. If someone can see your image on their computer, it's already stored on their computer. Image theft isn't difficult or limited to one agency. Problem is, many have hundreds of partners and we don't know who has access and rights to resell our work.

Have you done a google reverse image search for your photos?  You may be surprised to see them in use in more places than your royalties can account for.

How do you know where they were stolen from or who's an API partner and legal or not. Big mess and they don't tell us much.