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tab62

« on: March 22, 2011, 11:43 »
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Hi Stock Folks,

I've been told that the majority of my pics lack 'Attitude' thus explaining why I have very low sales. Any books or good web articles for me to read on how to get more life/attitude on my pics? I doing okay on my acceptance ratio but very few views and no sales whatsoever.


Thanks.


Tm


traveler1116

« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2011, 11:55 »
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Can't help you, I just searched for "attitude" on IStock with the slider all the way towards most relevant and the keyword "attitude" did not show up in the first 11 keywords of the number one image.  All I can say is that "attitude" is very elusive even for a multi million dollar company.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2011, 11:58 by traveler1116 »

« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2011, 12:07 »
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I think a decent flash set up would increase your image quality quite a bit.  It doesn't have to be expensive, just well executed.  Check out alien bees for example.

tab62

« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2011, 12:51 »
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Thanks Leaf! I will look at the units soon...

lisafx

« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2011, 13:29 »
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I checked out your portfolio and most of your images are taken straight on, without any obvious attempt at composition.  In addition to working on your lighting, you might want to get a book on composition and try shooting from different angles, and without putting everything in the center of the frame. 

tab62

« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2011, 13:45 »
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hi Lisafx,

I will take your advice- time to get some serious training on my composition...


Thanks.

Tom

sc

« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2011, 14:00 »
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I checked out your portfolio and most of your images are taken straight on, without any obvious attempt at composition.  In addition to working on your lighting, you might want to get a book on composition and try shooting from different angles, and without putting everything in the center of the frame. 

Totally agree with Lisa's assessment and want to add that Food is all about lighting, composition and styling, and until you master those you won't compete with the food shooters out there already. You don't need expensive strobes until you understand light and exposure. There's a great MicroStock food shooter who has nothing more than a big window and some reflectors - but she knows how to make that light work and she has exquisite styling skills.

You should also rethink the titles you give some of your images (looked at DT portfolio). They need to be more descriptive. Things like "pasta gang" "team pasta" "meeting of the bell peppers" "coco lips" aren't going to get viewed very often. & "tenis basics" - fix spelling, but I also don't get what the big red ball has anything to do with tennis (admittedly I haven't played in years but it doesn't seem like a tennis item) and you cut off the racket handle.

steve

« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2011, 14:09 »
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FYI You have some broken portfolio links (SS and FT were) you should fix.

In addition to the above suggestions, I would suggest you try to think about your styling a bit. For example, on SS you have one image of peppers in red wine glasses and another of what appears to be a cooked shrimp on top of a pile of raw ones.

Perhaps where you are people put peppers in red wine glasses, but I'm betting that's a very tiny niche if it even is one. Don't get so wrapped up with doing something "different" that you do things that no buyer would ever want.

And on the shrimp, restaurants that put raw and cooked meat and fish together get shut down by the health department. I'm guessing you were looking to make a "one is different" image, but don't forget the obvious while you're doing that.

Good luck

tab62

« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2011, 15:07 »
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All great comments! The naming part is a challenge  for me for sure. I will have to work on that part - I was told to stop using keywords in my description area. I find it difficult to put in 7 words without using a few of the key words.

Yeah, I want to be different for sure but not that different I guess LOL!

Once again thank you very much on these comments...


Tom

tab62

« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2011, 15:22 »
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I am going to sound really stupid on this question- If I understand Steve correctly I shouldn't be using catchy names but instead keep it simple and what the photo is actually about? For example, for example if I have a photo of a tennis racket hitting the ball over the net I should use a photo name of say "Tennis Volley" instead of "Killer Tennis Volley Wins Match"    I just checked of Fotolia of some of the most downloaded tennis pics and the titles were- Tennis, Grass, Summer Tennis and so on. Just want to make sure I understand.

Thanks for being patient with my questions...


Tom

red

« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2011, 15:32 »
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I just looked at your portfolio on DT and you only have a few images and have been at this for about 4 months. There is a lot of competition so don't expect immediate results. I have no idea what "attitude" means, perhaps it applies to coming up with a style of shooting that ties your images together? That could be limiting.

That being said, your keywords are ok but I'd weed out some descriptive, fluffy words. I'd also change the titles and descriptions on some of your images to indicate what is in the photos, as has already been commented on. Titles and description words are factored into the search. Telling the buyer how to use your photo or writing a story about the image is useless because the words are separated and thrown into the search as is. Keep your descriptions short and to the point.

For example, your girl playing chess is titled "Decision Time" and I doubt that a buyer would search using that term. "Meeting of the Bell Peppers" is just a group of red, yellow and orange peppers. "Coco Lips" is a girl drinking hot cocoa (always check your spellings). "Profit Strategy" is business chart, pen and calculator. "Road Warrior" is simply a cell phone, sunglasses and car key. "Team Pasta Arrives" is  dried pasta, garlic and red wine. Don't try to glamorize your images by giving them cute titles. Think like a buyer, imagine the words they would use to search. If they have a concept in mind they will search on concrete terms to find an image to match their ideas.

I have no idea how the other sites manage titles so my observations only apply to DT.

lisafx

« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 16:30 »
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For example, your girl playing chess is titled "Decision Time" and I doubt that a buyer would search using that term. "Meeting of the Bell Peppers" is just a group of red, yellow and orange peppers. "Coco Lips" is a girl drinking hot cocoa (always check your spellings). "Profit Strategy" is business chart, pen and calculator. "Road Warrior" is simply a cell phone, sunglasses and car key. "Team Pasta Arrives" is  dried pasta, garlic and red wine. Don't try to glamorize your images by giving them cute titles. Think like a buyer, imagine the words they would use to search. If they have a concept in mind they will search on concrete terms to find an image to match their ideas.

I have no idea how the other sites manage titles so my observations only apply to Dreamstime.

Really good suggestions.  Titles are important at Dreamstime, but also for google image searches.  They need to be descriptive. 

I really used to like to give clever titles to my images too.  I have learned to compromise.  For example "Decision Time" is a cool title.  A compromise would be "Chess Player - Decision Time".  That way you have your descriptive title, but threw the clever one in too. 

tab62

« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 16:32 »
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All super comments! I have learn a lot today! I cannot thank each and everyone of you for your input!

Thanks.

Tom

sc

« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2011, 17:18 »
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All great comments! The naming part is a challenge  for me for sure. I will have to work on that part - I was told to stop using keywords in my description area. I find it difficult to put in 7 words without using a few of the key words.

Yeah, I want to be different for sure but not that different I guess LOL!

Once again thank you very much on these comments...


Tom

Who told you -  "to stop using keywords in my description area"?
I think almost everyone does the exact opposite.
The sites differ on which filed they use (Title or Description) so I try to optimize both fields in my EXIF data.
I also enter my keywords by importance first - for those sites that prefer them that way.

Edit for spelling
« Last Edit: March 22, 2011, 17:24 by scukrov »

« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2011, 17:33 »
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All great comments! The naming part is a challenge  for me for sure. I will have to work on that part - I was told to stop using keywords in my description area. I find it difficult to put in 7 words without using a few of the key words.

Yeah, I want to be different for sure but not that different I guess LOL!

Once again thank you very much on these comments...


Tom

Who told you -  "to stop using keywords in my description area"?
I think almost everyone does the exact opposite.
The sites differ on which filed they use (Title or Description) so I try to optimize both fields in my EXIF data.
I also enter my keywords by importance first - for those sites that prefer them that way.

Edit for spelling

+1

keywords in the title are essential

« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2011, 20:15 »
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I doing okay on my acceptance ratio but very few views and no sales whatsoever.

Actually, I think you are doing quite well in the sales department.  DT: 73 images online and 8 sales in a short span of time with little experience; I say that is pretty good.  You are thinking of good concepts, I like the car with the money in the gas and tailpipe.  You are missing a lot of other concepts; why only two shots of the pistol.  Why not a photo of someone crawling into a window with the pistol in the waist; why not a direct shot of the pistol with you holding it outstretched, and so on.  Just watch Law and Order or similar show for lots of ideas about gun shots.

Regarding lights; I do not know your financial situation; if is bleak, then just get some shop lights (home depot clip on lights with regular bulbs); use them to be able to see the light better.  I agree your food shots look lifeless, no way I want to eat any of that stuff-these need alot of help in the lighting dept.

when I need to feel my image setups, I turn off all the lights and make the room dark; then I work with only one light at a time to see what angle, direction, distance, etc has on my setups.

Good luck but don't be so hard on yourself; you are starting the Monte Carlo race with no experience driving a run-of-the-mill car against experienced pros.  Believe in yourself and fight to be better.  You want to read a good story, read the story of Ted Turner, yeah, the guy that started CNN, TBS, etc.  He also won some of the most prestigious sailboat races with average equipment (when he first started); built a television company when all said it could not be done; rebuilt his father's business after his father committed suicide, etc.  Granted, this has nothing to do with photography but it does show that if you believe in yourself and work hard, the sky is the limit.

Best of Luck

tab62

« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2011, 22:00 »
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Thank you all very much for the encouragement and ideas! I was raised never to quit thus I am in it for the distance. My day time isn't bad thus I have some extra $$ to spend on equipment I will start my research on lights. The one thing that money cannot buy is composition- I am a very techie person but the only thing I ever did in the arts was watch Saturday morning cartoons. I truly lack the eye thus if anyone can tell me where I can purchase an artsy eye LOL!

Once again thanks...


Tom


« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2011, 23:40 »
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Thank you all very much for the encouragement and ideas! I was raised never to quit thus I am in it for the distance. My day time isn't bad thus I have some extra $$ to spend on equipment I will start my research on lights. The one thing that money cannot buy is composition- I am a very techie person but the only thing I ever did in the arts was watch Saturday morning cartoons. I truly lack the eye thus if anyone can tell me where I can purchase an artsy eye LOL!

Once again thanks...

Tom
Start looking at the best images online or top sellers to see what's selling well and what's not. Learn to look for patterns of those best sellers and then look at your own portfolio to see if your own work stacks up against those images. If you think it doesn't, learn what they're doing that you're not. At the end of the day, you will need to develop your eye and become your own worst critic. For example, for any given number of photos I take, only 5% or so will ever see the light of day on my personal website or on any of the agencies I contibute to. Sometimes it's as few as 2-3% if I've had an off day at my studio. I only put up my absolute best work and keep everything else under wraps. When I go through my images I quickly see what pictures are truly the gems and which ones are not worth uploading.  And the ones that aren't worth uploading, I can usually quickly tell what I should've done different (should have stytled the model differently, should have used a different focal length, should have used a fill card, etc.). Without a good eye for your own work, it will be much more difficult to make it. 

« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 03:04 »
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The one thing that money cannot buy is composition- I am a very techie person but the only thing I ever did in the arts was watch Saturday morning cartoons. I truly lack the eye thus if anyone can tell me where I can purchase an artsy eye LOL!


My former job was a research microscopist (scientist); never had an art course in my life and when I first started, I bulls-eyed everything (centered).  Comp can be learned.  Money can not buy experience; only you can put in the time to train your eye to see better.

The point when my photography really turned the corner was when I learned to see "quality of light", not intensity, quality.  One morning, yes, morning, not evening, go out before the sun rises; sit in a chair and watch the light change.  Watch the change from purple to red and yellow to brighter shades of white; do no leave your chair till the sun is 15 degrees above the horizon, roughly 9 am.  Every once-in-a-while, close you eyes to blank out everything; then open them and look at the light (not the sun, the light).  Notice the shadows, the softness of the light, the feel of the light, and so on.  It will not come the first time, it may take 100 times but once you train you body and eyes to see the light, your images will change because you have changed.

A couple days ago I recommended you read "Hot Shoe Diaries" by Joe McNally-it is available as a kindle book so you can download it from Amazon tonight.  Joe is a photographer that creates feeling and attitude in his images by using available light (he calls all light available, some it just happens to be available in his flash units).  He uses gels, filters, different white balances, etc to impart the mood and attitude he desires.  Read and re-read his story about photographing the alligators.    Alligators live in dark pools of water, with dark skin and bright highlights; it is super easy to take a snapshot, not so easy to do something creative.  Millions of images of alligators have been recorded; he gave his image life.

rubyroo

« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2011, 03:51 »
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once you train you body and eyes to see the light, your images will change because you have changed.

Amen to that.  Exceptionally well put.

« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2011, 04:24 »
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Hi,
I'm no photographer nor have I any experience in photography at all, so my opinion may not hold much weight. And I'm not going to comment on your photography skills, because I wouldn't know. But I think some of the objects you're using in your compositions could look more stocky. For instance, the calculator in your image "foreign investments for 2011" looks rather dull and "old". And in "tax nightmare" the piggy bank, the box of pills and the calculator looks like they are from three different worlds, which kind of takes away the focus from the subject.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2011, 05:24 »
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The point when my photography really turned the corner was when I learned to see "quality of light", not intensity, quality.  One morning, yes, morning, not evening, go out before the sun rises; sit in a chair and watch the light change.  Watch the change from purple to red and yellow to brighter shades of white; do no leave your chair till the sun is 15 degrees above the horizon, roughly 9 am.  Every once-in-a-while, close you eyes to blank out everything; then open them and look at the light (not the sun, the light).  Notice the shadows, the softness of the light, the feel of the light, and so on.  It will not come the first time, it may take 100 times but once you train you body and eyes to see the light, your images will change because you have changed.
Excellent advice, but it depends on where you live: if it's here, it'll need to be well before 6 a.m. nowadays (we just had the equinox), and the sky/light will just get paler and paler grey. Also, if you're in a valley, as I am, the light intensity will be strong before it gets to you (depending on the direction of the valley, I guess!).
You may need to make a special trip. Or it may be right outside your door.
OTOH, if you live near the equator, that will all happen within about 10-15 minutes: pitch dark to 'harsh' within 1/2 hour.

« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2011, 06:19 »
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The point when my photography really turned the corner was when I learned to see "quality of light", not intensity, quality.  One morning, yes, morning, not evening, go out before the sun rises; sit in a chair and watch the light change.  Watch the change from purple to red and yellow to brighter shades of white; do no leave your chair till the sun is 15 degrees above the horizon, roughly 9 am.  Every once-in-a-while, close you eyes to blank out everything; then open them and look at the light (not the sun, the light).  Notice the shadows, the softness of the light, the feel of the light, and so on.  It will not come the first time, it may take 100 times but once you train you body and eyes to see the light, your images will change because you have changed.
Excellent advice, but it depends on where you live: if it's here, it'll need to be well before 6 a.m. nowadays (we just had the equinox), and the sky/light will just get paler and paler grey. Also, if you're in a valley, as I am, the light intensity will be strong before it gets to you (depending on the direction of the valley, I guess!).
You may need to make a special trip. Or it may be right outside your door.
OTOH, if you live near the equator, that will all happen within about 10-15 minutes: pitch dark to 'harsh' within 1/2 hour.

Very True, I am currently pretty high in latitude here in Far East Russia so morning light and evening light are extended.  Soon, I will be returning to Florida, where the golden hour is more like 10 minutes.


 

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