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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Newbie Discussion => Topic started by: vuk8691 on April 13, 2018, 17:09
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Hi,
When I look at the Microstock Poll Results-earnings rating I can see number 22,1 for iStock and 267,3 for iStock exclusive.
Can somebody explain what that exactly means?
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It means that the average amount that iS exclusives say they get is more than indies who supply iS (and others) say they get. Which isn't surprising as the percentage is higher.
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Does it means that iStock exclusives have earnings biger than 10 times compares to non exclusives?
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Does it means that iStock exclusives have earnings biger than 10 times compares to non exclusives?
It could do, but it all depends who's reporting, and it's an average. It obviously doesn't mean that all exclusives earn more than all indies.
I'd take the poll with a pinch of salt - we don't know if people poll honestly (someone on here said they were never honest), we have no idea what their ports are like, we have no idea how many and which media they're supplying (stills, video, audio, vectors), we have no idea how much of their earnings are profit, it might be that many of the high earners also have really high expenses.
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Thanks for answer.
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Also it is quite likely that those exclusives that are doing well stay exclusive and those that are doing poorly either quit exclusivity or lose interest and don't report in the poll.
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It's a voluntary poll. People may or may not disclose regardless of their income. I'd say people with higher income are less likely to disclose that info. But I could be wrong. The results kinda make sense but not to the decimal digit.
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Also it is quite likely that those exclusives that are doing well stay exclusive and those that are doing poorly either quit exclusivity or lose interest and don't report in the poll.
Makes perfect sense. The ones who do well, stay Exclusive, also Exclusives do get a higher percentage.
We don't know how many Exclusives take the poll, only for every other agency. Wondering if the IS number is Indy and Exclusive combined. Only Leaf knows.
Now look at Stocksy 2/40, or ClipartOf 2/250, Getty 10/65 - I'd like to know how many IS Exclusives are taking the poll for that 267 number?
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I'd like to know how many IS Exclusives are taking the poll for that 267 number?
I forgot what the numbers are meaning. Is it 267% (167% more than all other agencies together)?
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I'd like to know how many IS Exclusives are taking the poll for that 267 number?
I forgot what the numbers are meaning. Is it 267% (167% more than all other agencies together)?
It's not a percentage as such, but 100 is a benchmark of some sort, meaning even SS is much lower than it used to be.
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I'd like to know how many IS Exclusives are taking the poll for that 267 number?
I forgot what the numbers are meaning. Is it 267% (167% more than all other agencies together)?
It's not a percentage as such, but 100 is a benchmark of some sort, meaning even SS is much lower than it used to be.
Thanks. I regret the old SS times. I think they became very popular after a wave of internet memes were created from SS images (with the logo still on them). All the kids know about SS today. Not many know IS/Getty (unless they started contributing at SS). I personally believe there are more photographers/illustrators there than buyers/designers
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I'd like to know how many IS Exclusives are taking the poll for that 267 number?
I forgot what the numbers are meaning. Is it 267% (167% more than all other agencies together)?
It's not a percentage as such, but 100 is a benchmark of some sort, meaning even SS is much lower than it used to be.
It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults (https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults)
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/[/url]*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults ([url]https://web.archive.org/web/[/url]*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults)
Thanks
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/[/url]*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults ([url]https://web.archive.org/web/[/url]*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults)
All the voting data has been stored so I would 'just' need to make an option to select how many months to show in the poll. Perhaps i should add it to my 'todo' list ...
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I'd like to know how many IS Exclusives are taking the poll for that 267 number?
I forgot what the numbers are meaning. Is it 267% (167% more than all other agencies together)?
It's not a percentage as such, but 100 is a benchmark of some sort, meaning even SS is much lower than it used to be.
Yep that's right.
A dollar amount wouldn't mean anything anyhow. The number can be used as a ratio against other sites. So a 60 site would earn 2x more than a site with rating 30
I haven't tallied up how many exclusives are voting, but my guess is it isn't many. I assume it is a few people voting with high incomes.
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
[url]https://web.archive.org/web/[/url]*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults ([url]https://web.archive.org/web/[/url]*/http://www.microstockgroup.com/index.php?page=PollResults)
Thanks, I should have remembered that site. :)
(https://s5.postimg.cc/88y0jw1xz/msg_poll_years_12_to_17.jpg)
OK here it is, what do you see? I thought that only 10 making the 50 votes was interesting to start with? :)
Made with available data, Late Sept/Early Oct was closest to same period that appeared in sample years.
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If the data is normalized anyway, why use the absolute dollar amounts in the questionnaire? The poll is mostly used for relatively new people to figure out where they'll sell most. Their current total income is of little importance for how they will decide to place their ports. I would presume using the percentages instead will produce less account-based bias (including attempts to manipulate the poll) and will not dissuade as many people who do not want to share sensitive information.
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Hi,
When I look at the Microstock Poll Results-earnings rating I can see number 22,1 for iStock and 267,3 for iStock exclusive.
Can somebody explain what that exactly means?
The IS exclusive that took the poll, could be 4 people, make 10X what 85 non exclusive makes. Hover over name 100 here like Dreamstime, only 58 sell on Deposit.
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
I actually thought the screen captures would bring some comments on the state of Microstock. Maybe most here don't read the "Newbie Discussion" area?
Things like, look how many agencies there were that made the list in 2012? 19 (whatever the numbers, 50 people or more were voting)
Look at what IS numbers were when the totals were combined vs split. IS was 50 - now Ind are 25 and Exclusive are 200 many months...
Fotolia/Adobe and Pond5 are the only two that have gone up in the poll. (did I miss something?) Make a note for Alamy but that has to do with who votes more than earnings, as I know personally the licenses there have dropped in dollar value, but have increased in number.
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
I actually thought the screen captures would bring some comments on the state of Microstock. Maybe most here don't read the "Newbie Discussion" area?
Things like, look how many agencies there were that made the list in 2012? 19 (whatever the numbers, 50 people or more were voting)
Look at what IS numbers were when the totals were combined vs split. IS was 50 - now Ind are 25 and Exclusive are 200 many months...
Fotolia/Adobe and Pond5 are the only two that have gone up in the poll. (did I miss something?) Make a note for Alamy but that has to do with who votes more than earnings, as I know personally the licenses there have dropped in dollar value, but have increased in number.
It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
I actually thought the screen captures would bring some comments on the state of Microstock. Maybe most here don't read the "Newbie Discussion" area?
Things like, look how many agencies there were that made the list in 2012? 19 (whatever the numbers, 50 people or more were voting)
Look at what IS numbers were when the totals were combined vs split. IS was 50 - now Ind are 25 and Exclusive are 200 many months...
Fotolia/Adobe and Pond5 are the only two that have gone up in the poll. (did I miss something?) Make a note for Alamy but that has to do with who votes more than earnings, as I know personally the licenses there have dropped in dollar value, but have increased in number.
It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
Yeah that's the low hanging fruit. I think some others might see something else that I missed. :)
I never considered the before and after on IS, being with Exclusive and without.
SS may be dominant but look how they have fallen. No wonder people complain? If the drop is the same for us as the agency on a whole, that's easily 30% of earnings. IS has dropped 50% while some others have fallen off the charts. I always have to keep in mind, only people who care to take the poll are represented. It's anonymous, but not everyone takes the time. I know I don't remember every month.
I don't want to declare Microstock is dead just like the DSLR is dead which we've seen for years and years, but I'm beginning to think, Microstock is not a productive way to make useful income. I don't see any reason to believe there's any hope of growth potential at this stage. I need to remind myself to be positive and instead of flat earnings, call it stable earnings. LOL ;)
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It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
It does stay ahead but not nearly as much as the poll suggests. I suspect people are manipulating polls. It's so easy to do, just claim you have thousands upon thousands of money earned on your favorite site and zero on the site you dislike. Seeing how often emotions rule over objectivity for many local residents here, I would not be surprised if the influence of that was significant.
If you go back you'll see plenty of unexplainable peaks of "earning ratings" for sites that are hardly anywhere close to best earners.
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It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
It does stay ahead but not nearly as much as the poll suggests. I suspect people are manipulating polls. It's so easy to do, just claim you have thousands upon thousands of money earned on your favorite site and zero on the site you dislike. Seeing how often emotions rule over objectivity for many local residents here, I would not be surprised if the influence of that was significant.
If you go back you'll see plenty of unexplainable peaks of "earning ratings" for sites that are hardly anywhere close to best earners.
Correct! Remember the days when Alamy was number one? Ha, ha! That was a clearly abnormal spike. I called it cheating, but many Alamy fans got offended here ;)
Any statistician will easily discard such sudden variations as disconnected from reality. Alamy is today on a rather stable 5th position, which is a realistic assessment.
The ranking published here is matching (with minor exceptions, also part of statistical variance) my current state of micro stock affairs.
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It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
It does stay ahead but not nearly as much as the poll suggests. I suspect people are manipulating polls. It's so easy to do, just claim you have thousands upon thousands of money earned on your favorite site and zero on the site you dislike. Seeing how often emotions rule over objectivity for many local residents here, I would not be surprised if the influence of that was significant.
If you go back you'll see plenty of unexplainable peaks of "earning ratings" for sites that are hardly anywhere close to best earners.
Correct! Remember the days when Alamy was number one? Ha, ha! That was a clearly abnormal spike. I called it cheating, but many Alamy fans got offended here ;)
Any statistician will easily discard such sudden variations as disconnected from reality. Alamy is today on a rather stable 5th position, which is a realistic assessment.
The ranking published here is matching (with minor exceptions, also part of statistical variance) my current state of micro stock affairs.
Don't get me wrong the poll on the right is useful as a rough guide but a statistician could use it to write an entire book or deliver or a year's worth of lectures of what's wrong with that poll from a statistical standpoint. Sadly we have nothing better as the world of microstock is pretty devoid of any meaningful numerical data...
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Don't get me wrong the poll on the right is useful as a rough guide but a statistician could use it to write an entire book or deliver or a year's worth of lectures of what's wrong with that poll from a statistical standpoint. Sadly we have nothing better as the world of microstock is pretty devoid of any meaningful numerical data...
This is correct. This poll should only be considered "directional".
Is SS number one as this poll suggests? Most probably yes, as already acknowledged by many contributors, here and elsewhere.
Is SS in a relative decline? It looks like.
Is AS number 2, these days? Possibly.
Are IS and AS significantly different from a contributor's revenue standpoint? Probably not.
Is that old claim putting Alamy on the 1st position accurate? Most likely not.
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
I actually thought the screen captures would bring some comments on the state of Microstock. Maybe most here don't read the "Newbie Discussion" area?
Things like, look how many agencies there were that made the list in 2012? 19 (whatever the numbers, 50 people or more were voting)
Look at what IS numbers were when the totals were combined vs split. IS was 50 - now Ind are 25 and Exclusive are 200 many months...
Fotolia/Adobe and Pond5 are the only two that have gone up in the poll. (did I miss something?) Make a note for Alamy but that has to do with who votes more than earnings, as I know personally the licenses there have dropped in dollar value, but have increased in number.
It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
only because they have probably 100 million more files and 50.000 more photographers!! stands to reason they are No.1 but on the whole I bet it evens out!
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It would be interesting if anyone has kept a record of the poll I expect there's been a long term decline across the board particularly the low earners
I actually thought the screen captures would bring some comments on the state of Microstock. Maybe most here don't read the "Newbie Discussion" area?
Things like, look how many agencies there were that made the list in 2012? 19 (whatever the numbers, 50 people or more were voting)
Look at what IS numbers were when the totals were combined vs split. IS was 50 - now Ind are 25 and Exclusive are 200 many months...
Fotolia/Adobe and Pond5 are the only two that have gone up in the poll. (did I miss something?) Make a note for Alamy but that has to do with who votes more than earnings, as I know personally the licenses there have dropped in dollar value, but have increased in number.
It confirms what we already know I think so not really much to say...other than despite all the complaining about it SS remains by far the dominant earner. Across the board its a much tougher business and its not about to get any easier
only because they have probably 100 million more files and 50.000 more photographers!! stands to reason they are No.1 but on the whole I bet it evens out!
The poll is individual not total agency earnings...I thought the theory went that fewer "better" contributors and fewer "better curated" images would make for better earnings for individuals.
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I'm 90% sure that I once read somewhere that a score of 100 meant that the average earnings from that site equates to $500 a month.
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I'm 90% sure that I once read somewhere that a score of 100 meant that the average earnings from that site equates to $500 a month.
I'm not going to go digging for the specific answer from Leaf but, yes you remember right. :)
Before the change the sites were based on the highest site, which put ShutterStock at 100% all the time and everything else as what percentage of the base = ShutterStock, any other site was. No dollar relationship. Now the new version is not showing dollars but roughly based on 100 equals $500.
There's also a cap on how much someone can report for a site, so the IS exclusives could be at over $2,500 a month, and of course someone on SS could also, but the poll would never allow a response higher than +$2500 maybe that's good so huge variances are eliminated and anyone playing with the poll or working as a shill for an agency, can't create a biased higher result with one vote?
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Making a note of the poll for the start of the year 2019
Site Earnings Rating - eight left or ten left depending on how you view this.
Shutterstock 88.2
AdobeStock 43.1
iStock 25.6
exclusive 80
Pond5 15.6
Alamy 11.3
123RF 6.7
DepositPhotos 5.3
Dreamstime 5.1
Bigstock 48 votes 3.6
Canstock 42 votes 2.2