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« on: July 25, 2013, 08:38 »
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Hi All,

 Being new to this, I marvel at the wide range of image some photographers have created.Just came from Sean Locke site, WOW. Help me with this, How do most photographers deal with Models / Money. It seems, he offer prints in exchange for modeling services to most.Not MONEY!

 I understand using family and friends (cheap), but besides them, are there a ton of aspiring models out there that can't wait to give there services away for close to nothing?

How do most of you work with Models and compensation for there time and efforts?
Thank you.


« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2013, 08:59 »
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Actually, I pay my models by the hour.  Real money makes sure they turn up, and are prepared.  Or at least you have a better chance :)

« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2013, 09:09 »
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Actually, I pay my models by the hour.  Real money makes sure they turn up, and are prepared.  Or at least you have a better chance :)

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Also they cant ask for the images either

« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2013, 09:24 »
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thanks Sean for your reply. Are most of your models Pro's?

« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2013, 09:28 »
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Nope.  They're just regular people, some of whom do model now and then.  Agencies hate stock and don't like to let their people do it, unless you pay many hundreds.

Ron

« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2013, 09:36 »
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What is your hourly pay Sean? What would you pay a friend or a model? I am wondering if I should offer money. I am afraid I never make it back. But alas.

« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 09:38 »
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Sean your very prolific. If most models are not Pro's, how do you find them?
Thanks Sean For sharing.

« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2013, 08:28 »
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Craigslist, local audition sites, friends/relatives of other models, etc.

« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2013, 08:34 »
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Thanks Sean for your time and ideas.

tab62

« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2013, 12:44 »
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"Models and Money"- Good future Movie Title...

Carl

  • Carl Stewart, CS Productions
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2013, 05:38 »
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Models and photographers have a rather unique symbiotic relationship.  Models need good photographs for their portfolios, and photographers need good models for theirs.  So very often it's a trade, known in the industry as TFP, which stands for "Time For Prints," and is a throwback to the days of film and physical prints.  Instead of the photographer paying the model with cash, we pay him/her in the form of free professional-quality photographs, which they can use in a portfolio or other forms of self promotion (but they cannot license the photograph for publication).  Since the advent of the digital age, we don't deal in physical prints, so you'll see "TF" quite a bit.  The "P" is absent.  In my case, I don't need more photos for my portfolio, so I look for beginning models who need professional photos, or experienced models who are updating or wanting to get a specific shot.  Instead of paying me, they get free photos in exchange for a signed model release.  The best modeling site, in my experience, is http://www.ModelMayhem.com.  If a model is truly exceptional, I'll offer a modest hourly rate in addition.  But beware:  for every model you find who is responsible enough to show up and mature enough to conduct himself/herself in a respectable manner, you'll go through dozens who aren't.  And be very patient with the beginners.  After all, we were beginners at some point.

« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 06:18 »
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Every model i paid has turned up. Most models for TF haven't turned up. My time is too valuable to waste

« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2013, 10:08 »
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I always pay my models as well.  They are doing a professional job and I am making money from their image.  I feel it is only fair to pay them.  I also give them copies of the images if they want.

I have found models through model mayhem (mixed results), street casting (some good model finds there), and friends of friends on facebook (great results there recently). 

In Canada I pay models $30/hr if I haven't used them before and $50/hr if I have used them before.  It feels a little high and I could probably get away with paying less.  A shoot can easily get to $1000 in modelling fees, but I'm not worried if I'll make the money back (I know I will - at least on the average) so I'm happy to share some of the income with the models.... especially the best ones that I use over and over. 

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2013, 10:25 »
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street casting (some good model finds there),
Do you mean just going up to people in the street and asking them?

fotorob

  • Professional stock content producer
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2013, 10:31 »
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I have found models through model mayhem (mixed results), street casting (some good model finds there), and friends of friends on facebook (great results there recently). 

Can you tell me more about your "facebook model search"?
What exactly did you write, how many fans has your page and what was the answer/results ratio and the like?

Thanks,
Robert

« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2013, 11:45 »
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First time I do a quick session at my studio, just to test out how a person acts in front of my camera and how the images turn out. The images are just tests, they are not for stock. They can have a few freebie images from this session.

If I liked the person and the results, I will pay a modest hourly rate. Because it's fair, professional and makes my models almost certainly turn up on the day and time of the shoot.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2013, 11:48 by Perry »

« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2013, 23:10 »
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I have found models through model mayhem (mixed results), street casting (some good model finds there), and friends of friends on facebook (great results there recently). 

Can you tell me more about your "facebook model search"?
What exactly did you write, how many fans has your page and what was the answer/results ratio and the like?

Thanks,
Robert

I didn't use a facebook page.  I just wrote to friends of my friends on facebook asking them if they wanted to model for shoot X.  About 30% answered and were interested.  The few that I've used so far turned out to be great models.


« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2013, 23:13 »
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street casting (some good model finds there),
Do you mean just going up to people in the street and asking them?

Yes.  I did it once to an old man who looked like a good santa clause (he didn't call me back).  For some of the shoots I do in Norway I have an assistant help find models.  He was out just standing on the street downtown looking for people.  He found a really great male model which is always tough to find... and a few not so great female models :)

stocked

« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2013, 00:35 »
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I pay and they get all the pictures from the shoot for their self-promotion. That said most of my model-shoots don't go to microstock.

« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2013, 04:52 »
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  A shoot can easily get to $1000 in modelling fees, but I'm not worried if I'll make the money back (I know I will - at least on the average)

Seriously? You make this back in Microstock? Over how many years? And still there is a profit?

« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2013, 04:57 »
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You need to shoot stuff thats less supplied and in demand.

« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2013, 05:51 »
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On facebook there are many pages for models, photographers, makeup artist etc where people are seeking models, announce jobs etc. Just search for them.

Ron

« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2013, 06:04 »
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On facebook there are many pages for models, photographers, makeup artist etc where people are seeking models, announce jobs etc. Just search for them.
They have to be in the same country and even in the same area as you, so its not like you have plenty of choice.

« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2013, 06:24 »
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On facebook there are many pages for models, photographers, makeup artist etc where people are seeking models, announce jobs etc. Just search for them.
They have to be in the same country and even in the same area as you, so its not like you have plenty of choice.

I dont know...Im based in Bangkok and there are at least 5-6 pages that caters to that city.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2013, 06:29 »
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On facebook there are many pages for models, photographers, makeup artist etc where people are seeking models, announce jobs etc. Just search for them.
I don't use Fb to search (though I heard yesterday to my astonishment that it's overtaking Google search), so I tried model and my home area and got 0 results. Then I tried model Glasgow (nearest city, just for research) and found three, one of whom is with an agency, so probably won't do stock one is covered with tattoos and one is an actor, so possibly won't do stock (but might).
What do you search for that you find 'many'?


 

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