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« on: March 18, 2011, 07:15 »
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Hi there!  I am new to all this ....  I have some shots taken from the london eye, and i would like to try and sell them, either as postcards or publicity material, they are really stunning.  im thinking to send them to the london eye for their perusal, but before i let them off into cyber world, i want to know how i can control the use of these images.  i really think they are something special ...  maybe not technical perfection, but dramatic spacey woo hoo hooo.  ive looked at other photos on other stock sites.  i need to know about copyright, royalties, and what price to fix on them.  does anyone have any answers to this.  sorry if i sound arrogant about these photos ...  i love them!   they would look great super huge on some corporate wall

thanks in anticipation!!!!   


« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2011, 07:19 »
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Well just remember that your photos are like your kids. Your own opinion is VERY biased in regards to reality.

That said if they are really special and you want to control licensing you would have to sell them as rights managed somewhere. Alamy is a good place to start if you are new at this. if you want to sell them as post cards you could check out zazzle

« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2011, 08:11 »
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hey, thanks for your quick reply!  i was always pretty objective with my child, much to her dismay!

RT


« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 11:12 »
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I think you should first decide what market you want to sell to, you've mentioned - stock, direct to the client, corporate art and postcards all in one sentence.

And I echo what Leaf said, we all think our photo's are special, try not to get yourself on too much of a 'high' because unbiased criticism is long fall. Wait until someone else (who wants to pay you lots of money) tells you they're super  ;)

« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 12:44 »
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hey thanks for feedback!  yes, i dont know what market .....   i want money, so do i want long slow money or short fast money!  how would i get the most for it .......   and how is it easiest to get!!!  how do i decide

this photo lacks technical expertise, think its taken with an 8 megapix camera or maybe 10, but ive looked at lots of stock shots of london eye and still mine is extra spesh!   there is one similar photo for sale as poster on ebay.  so, the fact that its only got 8 or 10 mpix, this must be a limiting factor then for being on a big fat corporate wall somewhere, or not!  (cant find question mark on my keyboard). 

ok, so also i said its taken from london eye, which means that maybe i dont have the right to use it, although like i said, on other stock photo sites, theres heaps of photos of and from the eye.  i wonder if they have special permission

yep, know what youse mean about praising my own fotos, but man ive taken millions, and never had this to say about any of them

« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011, 12:55 »
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There might be problems with most of the stock sites because I presume these were taken through glass?  I think alamy might be the best option.  They might not sell for 2 years there but you could get lucky and make more than you would with the micros.

« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 13:33 »
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hey thanks for feedback!  yes, i dont know what market .....   i want money, so do i want long slow money or short fast money!  how would i get the most for it .......   and how is it easiest to get!!!  how do i decide

this photo lacks technical expertise, think its taken with an 8 megapix camera or maybe 10, but ive looked at lots of stock shots of london eye and still mine is extra spesh!   there is one similar photo for sale as poster on ebay.  so, the fact that its only got 8 or 10 mpix, this must be a limiting factor then for being on a big fat corporate wall somewhere, or not!  (cant find question mark on my keyboard). 

ok, so also i said its taken from london eye, which means that maybe i dont have the right to use it, although like i said, on other stock photo sites, theres heaps of photos of and from the eye.  i wonder if they have special permission

yep, know what youse mean about praising my own fotos, but man ive taken millions, and never had this to say about any of them

Images of the London Eye can only be used editorial.
Check out the licenses of the London Eye images on the stock sites, no commercial use.

Patrick.

« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2011, 16:24 »
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Sounds like these amazing images are taken _from_ the Eye, not _of_ the Eye, so a: of course the shooter owns the rights, and 2. is only restrained in usage by what they can see in the image.

« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2011, 07:26 »
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thanks so much for all the advice.  i appreciate it.
one more question then .... i wrote to london eye and they said to send the photos for them to have a look.  they said they werent looking at buying photos right now, but send them anyway.  well, im concerned about sending them, because once i do this then they have them.  i just want some money from them, and i would have very little idea of what price to negotiate, if london eye want them, if they made postcards could i get something for everyone they sell.  or should i just put them on a stock website.  once again, they arent great quality technically speaking, but super something else!   should i send them to london eye  (cant find question mark on this keyboard) or ...

whatdoyareckon

thanks  :)

ps these images are taken from the eye, and show some of it.

grp_photo

« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2011, 07:45 »
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Send them to Thinkstock they are obviously in desperate need for photos ::)
« Last Edit: April 03, 2011, 07:48 by grp_photo »

ShadySue

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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 07:49 »
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thanks so much for all the advice.  i appreciate it.
one more question then .... i wrote to london eye and they said to send the photos for them to have a look.  they said they werent looking at buying photos right now, but send them anyway.  well, im concerned about sending them, because once i do this then they have them.  i just want some money from them, and i would have very little idea of what price to negotiate, if london eye want them, if they made postcards could i get something for everyone they sell.  or should i just put them on a stock website.  once again, they arent great quality technically speaking, but super something else!   should i send them to london eye  (cant find question mark on this keyboard) or ...
whatdoyareckon
thanks  :)
ps these images are taken from the eye, and show some of it.

I can only advise on two points:
If they are not top technical quality, they won't be accepted on most/any decent sites (i.e. those that are likely to generate sales)
There are some that don't do any quality control: I only know one and it is pay for display and doesn't get many sales from the site unless either from their geographic specialty (not London) or from picture calls from editors.
If you're scared about lE or anyone else stealing them, send the files lo-res and watermarked.
Why not post the pics and see if anyone can advise? Lo-res/watermarked.

Microbius

« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 07:58 »
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I think that's probably the way to go. Just heavily watermark them and post them here.
Then some of the more experienced photographers will be be in a better position to advise.

« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 09:11 »
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Sounds like these amazing images are taken _from_ the Eye, not _of_ the Eye, so a: of course the shooter owns the rights, and 2. is only restrained in usage by what they can see in the image.

I was under the impression the images are only "legally" ok if taken from public grounds and not if you are shooting from a spot that you don't have permission to create commercial content (technically speaking).

In my understanding (if being fully honest) I would have to ask the management of the London Eye if they approve of me taking images of the skyline for instance using their property.
Without their property, I wouldn't be able to take that shot unless I can get a helicopter ride at the same height for the same money I had to pay for a London Eye ticket.
Not counting attaching a cell phone camera to a helium ballon to take aerial images...  ::)

I'm pretty sure no one will come after anyone just shooting out of the window without the London Eye's permission but certain locations may be trickier than others and maybe we have to pay attention to some. 

« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2011, 10:10 »
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Now, that's a bit silly.  Now, we're not allowed to take pictures anywhere but a field at ground level without permission?

No way.  If the ferris wheel isn't in the images, go for it!

« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2011, 10:32 »
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Now, that's a bit silly.  Now, we're not allowed to take pictures anywhere but a field at ground level without permission?

No way.  If the ferris wheel isn't in the images, go for it!

I'm just saying, I thought I read it in the terms of some stock sites that I'm not allowed to upload content that was taken at a location that I don't have permission to take pictures.

I have no idea if this is also enforced but I'm just curious let's say if I can only get a shot of something in an exclusive angle that requires me to step onto someone else's property for instance. Couldn't the property owner sue as I didn't get permission to shoot from there?

Does my previous example not count at all that any structure that's accessible to the public (by paying an entrance fee) can restrict us taking commercial photos? I mean it's not ok to do so in zoos for example either. I hope I can bring my point across as English is not my native tongue.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2011, 10:34 by click_click »

RacePhoto

« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2011, 00:24 »
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Now, that's a bit silly.  Now, we're not allowed to take pictures anywhere but a field at ground level without permission?

No way.  If the ferris wheel isn't in the images, go for it!

I'm just saying, I thought I read it in the terms of some stock sites that I'm not allowed to upload content that was taken at a location that I don't have permission to take pictures.

I have no idea if this is also enforced but I'm just curious let's say if I can only get a shot of something in an exclusive angle that requires me to step onto someone else's property for instance. Couldn't the property owner sue as I didn't get permission to shoot from there?

Does my previous example not count at all that any structure that's accessible to the public (by paying an entrance fee) can restrict us taking commercial photos? I mean it's not ok to do so in zoos for example either. I hope I can bring my point across as English is not my native tongue.

Referring to the bold part. I was asked for proof from Panther that I had access to take pictures that were uploaded as editorial. I copied my vredentials, which I thought was totally stupid because I had the inside access, which kind of says, I was allowed inside? And they were editorial.

But that would explain what you wrote. In other terms, any photo obtained illegally (on a farm in FL? LOL) Would not be able to be sold.

Taking a picture of something else, from inside a place or on a ride, I doubt would be illegal or included. You aren't taking a shot of the restricted location, but somewhere unrestricted. Where you are standing, shouldn't matter. Shooting out a window from inside a restricted area, should be fine.

ShadySue

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2011, 05:35 »
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The law in the UK is pretty clear that anything can be shot and sold (as editorial) if shot from a public place. The paperazzis' charter. This is generally assumed to include the London Eye shot from the street, but no-one is rushing to be the test case.
So one might 'reasonably assume' that the converse is the case: that photos taken 'not from a public place' need permission. I have no idea if that's really the case.


« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 12:33 »
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I think Click-click is factually correct although it may or may not be enforced.

« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2011, 12:36 »
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I think Click-click is factually correct although it may or may not be enforced.
And probably in 99.999999999% no one will ever recognize that an image was taken illegally from their property unless it's bloody obvious (like ISS space station...).

« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2011, 12:52 »
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I have several cases like this, for example skylines taken from observation decks of skyscrapers, and I had my doubts as well.
I may be wrong, but I am assuming that the owner of the building doesn't own the view if his property is not visible in the picture.

« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2011, 12:57 »
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And probably in 99.999999999% no one will ever recognize that an image was taken illegally from their property unless it's bloody obvious (like ISS space station...).

In the case of many observation decks the views tend to be easily recognizable, but I have never heard of anybody having problems because of that.

« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2011, 06:43 »
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wow, thanks for all the feedback.  i can find the london eye email and post what they said.  also, i see on lots of stock sites pix taken of and from london eye, but perhaps they are available as editorial photos only, as a previous poster mentioned.  need to learn how to watermark the photos ... dont have photoshop or any photo enhancing software.   
thanks again

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 06:51 »
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wow, thanks for all the feedback.  i can find the london eye email and post what they said.  also, i see on lots of stock sites pix taken of and from london eye, but perhaps they are available as editorial photos only, as a previous poster mentioned.  need to learn how to watermark the photos ... dont have photoshop or any photo enhancing software.   
thanks again
iStock editorials are easy to spot - they have red (not black) text in a search.

« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 14:08 »
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wow, thanks for all the great advice.  i can find the london eye email and post what they said.  also, i see on lots of stock sites pix taken of and from london eye, but perhaps they are available as editorial photos only, as a previous poster mentioned.  need to learn how to watermark the photos ... dont have photoshop or any photo enhancing software.  

london eye said this.......   I have spoken to our Marketing Department and they have confirmed that you can not use them for commercial purposes as they are taken inside the London Eye.

but then i spoke to the marketing dept, and they said to send them so they could see

 >:(

« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2011, 15:07 »
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not angry at all

« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2011, 14:52 »
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Just stumbled across this and wondered how we can ge around that? A property release doesn't seem right because the eye was not in the shot? What kind of release do we need.

I recently went to las vegas and wasn't sure about selling the images if the strip. I aske Getty images and they said I do not need any type if permission or release of images taken from the street, atop the Eiffel tower and stratosphere. All shot contained recognizable images of casinos, brands, hotels...etc.


 

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