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« on: March 06, 2016, 18:31 »
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hello,

A month a go i sent 10 of my photos taken by iphone to gettyimages and they invited me to istock. The story starts there :)

I don't consider myself as a photographer. I am graphic designer and i believe i have a good eye on photography. So i wanted to try the stock agencies to have my photos used by people around the world and make some extra cash. When i got an invitation from istock, I tried my chances at shutterstock, fotolia, dreamstime and 123 rf.. All accepted. Mostly iPhone photos :) Alamy and depositphotos are the ones rejected my images.

I have around 150 photos and graphic design works at my portfolio at the moment. I know that is really little comparison to most of yours :)

Even if i have a full time job that i love and uploading, key-wording take really good amount of time, i decided to keep doing this. I am even getting my first dslr this week. Technically there is no chance to go further with iPhone :) Sorry apple!

So my question is what road you guys think i should take?. I don t want to take another picture of million ones already there. I really love street and nature photography. Do editorial pictures work in stock photography world? If so i would really take my chance there. What do you think What part of nature photography is less taken?

I would really appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks in advance :)

PS: I am attaching some photos that made me accepted to the agencies in case of curiosity.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2016, 04:27 by theendup »


« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 18:48 »
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I wish I could answer, but I am on the same boat as you. With the disadvantage that I have never done design work so I don't know what designers need/ look for in stock.

My first batch of pictures was a collection of last years' nature snapshots as I learned to use my first DSLR. I have now taken taken a few photos in the nutrition/ supplements area because this is an interest I have and I know something about it.

I think we have to trust that in the end we will find our way. One thing I have done lately is to first check, when I have an idea for a photo shoot, that there are not thousands of other pics there with the same main keywords.



« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2016, 19:05 »
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hello,

A month a go i sent 10 of photos taken by iphone to gettyimages and they invited me to istock. The story starts there :)

I don't consider myself as a photographer. I am a graphic designer and i believe i have a good eye on photography. So i wanted to try the stock agencies to have my photos used by people around the world and make some extra cash. When i got an invitation for istock, I tried my chances for shutterstock, fotolia, dreamstime and 123 rf.. All accepted.. Mostly iPhone photos :)

I have around 150 photos and graphic design works at my portfolio at the moment. ı know that is really little comparison to most of yours :)

Even if i have a full time job that i love and uploading, key-wording take really good amount of time, i decided to keep doing this. I even getting my first dslr this week. Technically there is no chance to go further with iPhone :) Sorry apple..

So my question is what road you guys think i should take?. I don t want to take another picture of million ones already there.. I really love street and nature photography. Do editorial pictures work in stock photography world? If so i would really take my chance there. What do you think What part of nature photography is less taken?

I would really appreciate your thoughts..

Thanks in advance :)
I started in stock with similar attitude and more or less similar genre of photography, so maybe I can tell you what I think after doing it for some time. It is often hard to predict what is going to sell, especially in the beginning. Sometimes I see my sales and start wondering for what reason people bought that particular image of mine. You would be surprised what kind of stuff people buy sometimes, that is why I am uploading all my pictures almost indiscriminately now. You simply never know. However, after doing it for some time, I can now roughly estimate the chances of a particular image to become a good seller. There are only few which become your regular sellers and in my experience, about 70-80% of your earnings will come from that relatively small pool (10-20%) of images (Have you ever heard about 80-20 law?). The rest will sell occasionally, sometimes months after upload. I think if you want to continue doing it as a (serious) hobby, just upload whatever pictures you are taking for your own pleasure and see where you are heading with the sales and what kind of your images people buy the most. After you have at least 1000 images online you will start seeing trends. Each photographer is unique, my bestsellers can be quite different from yours because of difference in style/genre. Nature, street and general travel photography (including editorials) sell okay but it is pretty saturated market, so you have to either supply technically good images with vibrant colors, interesting angle, composition or find some locations/subjects which are not covered sufficiently yet (that is hard with SS being 70+ millions pics). It is still possible though. It was quite a pleasure to see some of my images to climb to 1-2-3 place in their respective keyword search, especially considering I started pretty recently already competing against millions of previous images, many of which are brilliant. Also, different agencies sell different stuff. Most of my bestsellers sell well across all agencies, but I still see some differences in what people buy there. You have to try them for yourself.       

Joker

« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2016, 19:19 »
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"I need a vision"

Ok, close your eyes and what do you see?  Nothing but darkness - that is your vision...

J

« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2016, 19:23 »
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"I need a vision"

Ok, close your eyes and what do you see?  Nothing but darkness - that is your vision...

J

I want to keep my eyes open. So what is the vision in this case you'd give Joker?

Joker

« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2016, 19:26 »
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Don't always believe in what you see...

« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2016, 19:31 »
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I started in stock with similar attitude and more or less similar genre of photography, so maybe I can tell you what I think after doing it for some time. It is often hard to predict what is going to sell, especially in the beginning. Sometimes I see my sales and start wondering for what reason people bought that particular image of mine. You would be surprised what kind of stuff people buy sometimes, that is why I am uploading all my pictures almost indiscriminately now. You simply never know. However, after doing it for some time, I can now roughly estimate the chances of a particular image to become a good seller. There are only few which become your regular sellers and in my experience, about 70-80% of your earnings will come from that relatively small pool (10-20%) of images (Have you ever heard about 80-20 law?). The rest will sell occasionally, sometimes months after upload. I think if you want to continue doing it as a (serious) hobby, just upload whatever pictures you are taking for your own pleasure and see where you are heading with the sales and what kind of your images people buy the most. After you have at least 1000 images online you will start seeing trends. Each photographer is unique, my bestsellers can be quite different from yours because of difference in style/genre. Nature, street and general travel photography (including editorials) sell okay but it is pretty saturated market, so you have to either supply technically good images with vibrant colors, interesting angle, composition or find some locations/subjects which are not covered sufficiently yet (that is hard with SS being 70+ millions pics). It is still possible though. It was quite a pleasure to see some of my images to climb to 1-2-3 place in their respective keyword search, especially considering I started pretty recently already competing against millions of previous images, many of which are brilliant. Also, different agencies sell different stuff. Most of my bestsellers sell well across all agencies, but I still see some differences in what people buy there. You have to try them for yourself.       

thanks photodude..

« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2016, 19:22 »
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2 cents. My photos are generally landscapes, buildings, and animals, so I can't speak to isolated object, people, or emotion concept photos. That said...

My "best" photos are not my big sellers. In micro stock, many people are looking for what I think of as purely "functional" images. I have several photos of a historic building up, and the one that sells is a straight on, boring, centered image. The other, more artistic photos, taken at angles and using the rule of thirds, have never sold. 

I think if you're someone putting together a brochure or some kind of advertisement using a stock image, you're generally going to want something basic, and not an arty kind of shot. A question a lot of folks post here, and I try to take it to heart is, "What would someone do with this picture? Why would someone buy it?"

In landscapes, you'll probably have a bunch of shots rejected for issues with shadows. I'm actually surprised you had luck with the tent picture; reviewers are often negative about that sort of thing. Overcast is usually not my friend when it comes to getting images approved.



« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2016, 23:23 »
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Your training as a designer shows - all your photos have nice copy space.
I shoot a lot of travel and I find that and simple (i.e. uncluttered) but interesting shots with copy space do well for me on the micros.
I really like the vibe of your tent shot. It took me a minute to figure out what it was but it really drew me in.
Good luck.

« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2016, 04:13 »
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The other, more artistic photos, taken at angles and using the rule of thirds, have never sold. 


interesting.

« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2016, 04:15 »
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I really like the vibe of your tent shot. It took me a minute to figure out what it was but it really drew me in.
Good luck.

Thanks  ;)

« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2016, 04:22 »
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I shoot a lot of travel and I find that and simple (i.e. uncluttered) but interesting shots with copy space do well for me on the micros.

this is good to know. I really like taking travel pictures.

« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2016, 04:58 »
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2 cents. My photos are generally landscapes, buildings, and animals, so I can't speak to isolated object, people, or emotion concept photos. That said...

My "best" photos are not my big sellers. In micro stock, many people are looking for what I think of as purely "functional" images. I have several photos of a historic building up, and the one that sells is a straight on, boring, centered image. The other, more artistic photos, taken at angles and using the rule of thirds, have never sold. 

I think if you're someone putting together a brochure or some kind of advertisement using a stock image, you're generally going to want something basic, and not an arty kind of shot. A question a lot of folks post here, and I try to take it to heart is, "What would someone do with this picture? Why would someone buy it?"

In landscapes, you'll probably have a bunch of shots rejected for issues with shadows. I'm actually surprised you had luck with the tent picture; reviewers are often negative about that sort of thing. Overcast is usually not my friend when it comes to getting images approved.
I agree ....stock is not about art its about meeting a functional need...most images will only be viewed for seconds on a website, magazine etc etc they are not going to be hung on a wall for years to be admired. Shutterstock in particular detest shadows

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2016, 05:16 »
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The other, more artistic photos, taken at angles and using the rule of thirds, have never sold. 


interesting.

I agree with this. Anything that has artistic merit you will struggle to sell enough times to make a decent return on micro. Because anything that is actually artistically "good" will be a matter of taste, and you will struggle in the sea of "dead souls" (images accepted by libraries to pad out their numbers) to unite the few buyers wanting to evoke that exact mood with your one excellent image. Shots like that, of a high enough quality, should be on Stocksy or similar sites.

Micro is about technically excellent but bland images with mass appeal. Buyers do want images that are unique with genuine looking models, but they need to realise that sellers just can't make the return on that kind of image on the micros.

« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2016, 07:06 »
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I like your work!

I would continue shooting what you like even though your images are more artsy and some won't sell much, but I guess eventually you will learn to find a compromise between what you love to shoot and what has a higher commercial value.

You will have rejections sometimes and it will teach you what to correct. Don't avoid critique forums, at SS for instance you might get some particularly harsh and straightforward critique - don't take it personally, just learn  :D

And don't be in a hurry, just keep building your portfolio little by little. The fact that you're a graphic designer is definately a huge advantage since (I gather) you can diversify your portfolio with vectors or even graphic motion, or use your skills in post processing.

Travel images do sell (I do only travel) so wish you best of luck!

PS And hey, don't quit your day job ;D

« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2016, 17:04 »
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I like your work!

I would continue shooting what you like even though your images are more artsy and some won't sell much, but I guess eventually you will learn to find a compromise between what you love to shoot and what has a higher commercial value.

You will have rejections sometimes and it will teach you what to correct. Don't avoid critique forums, at SS for instance you might get some particularly harsh and straightforward critique - don't take it personally, just learn  :D

And don't be in a hurry, just keep building your portfolio little by little. The fact that you're a graphic designer is definately a huge advantage since (I gather) you can diversify your portfolio with vectors or even graphic motion, or use your skills in post processing.

Travel images do sell (I do only travel) so wish you best of luck!

PS And hey, don't quit your day job ;D

thanks for the suggestions lanabyko..

I have no intention to quit my day job :) i love it more than all other jobs combined  :)


 

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