Author Topic: Rejected Application to Istock Help! (Read 15796 times)

shudderstok · « **Reply #25 on:** March 09, 2013, 22:47 »

Quote from: Will on March 09, 2013, 21:42

Quote from: shudderstok on March 09, 2013, 19:54
Quote from: Zethinova on March 09, 2013, 19:40
Quote from: Microbius on January 25, 2013, 07:55
You should probably wait until 2nd Feb and resubmit. I hear they will need a lot more contributors after that.

Lol! Why is that? (I'm curious)

because there is a small contingent of photographers that hate IS. if you are good at what you do IS is second to none (in my opinion) to any other microstock agency.

Yes, %15 gotta love em!

yes if you are non-ex and don't sell much 15%, but exclusive and selling try 35%-40%. why sell your work for less? 0.25c - 0.33c for a download regardless of size is a crime. my last download on IS was an xsmall and received $2.95 for that, if it was SS I'd need 10-12 downloads of the same image. who in their right mind would sell themselves out for that pittance?

Will · « **Reply #26 on:** March 09, 2013, 23:33 »

%35-%40 at best and your future efforts being tied to the whim of some corporate bean counters is not great in my books either. I think the most intelligent deal out there right now is %50 and set your own prices. Which is what a fair agency like Pond5 is offering. Istock and subscription deals are just plain usury and because the content is crowd sourced they seemingly can get away with it.

I wouldn't encourage anyone to submit to Istock, after all that has gone on with them recently!

dingles · « **Reply #27 on:** March 09, 2013, 23:47 »

IStock still makes me the most money...I'd jump onto the Pond5 bandwagon as soon as they start bringing in more than IS

heywoody · « **Reply #28 on:** March 10, 2013, 13:29 »

Quote from: shudderstok on March 09, 2013, 22:47

Quote from: Will on March 09, 2013, 21:42
Quote from: shudderstok on March 09, 2013, 19:54
Quote from: Zethinova on March 09, 2013, 19:40
Quote from: Microbius on January 25, 2013, 07:55
You should probably wait until 2nd Feb and resubmit. I hear they will need a lot more contributors after that.

Lol! Why is that? (I'm curious)

because there is a small contingent of photographers that hate IS. if you are good at what you do IS is second to none (in my opinion) to any other microstock agency.

Yes, %15 gotta love em!

yes if you are non-ex and don't sell much 15%, but exclusive and selling try 35%-40%. why sell your work for less? 0.25c - 0.33c for a download regardless of size is a crime. my last download on IS was an xsmall and received $2.95 for that, if it was SS I'd need 10-12 downloads of the same image. who in their right mind would sell themselves out for that pittance?

10 @ $0.33 > 1 @ $2.95 and that’s ok where you can get the 10:1 sales ratio. On the other hand $0.08 is not that uncommon for an XS at IS and THAT is the lowest I’ve come across. Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.

tickstock · « **Reply #29 on:** March 10, 2013, 23:38 »

Will · « **Reply #30 on:** March 11, 2013, 00:10 »

Agreed, subscriptions are a bum deal for photographers but so is being hog tied with exclusivity to one greedy agency that doesn't have the decency to pay 50% when others can do it without demanding exclusivity.

There is a lot of money being left on the table by microstock contributors and that won't change unless a majority of contributors start favoring the fair trade agencies.

tickstock · « **Reply #31 on:** March 11, 2013, 00:25 »

ShadySue · « **Reply #32 on:** March 11, 2013, 04:08 »

Quote from: heywoody on March 10, 2013, 13:29

Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.

Cost of equipment?
I could take up to L with the camera I had before I ever submitted stock. To get the larger sizes took serious cash investment.
I do see the counter argument that a very large photo might be used once in a throw-away publication and an XS might be used for eternity on a website. But still, that XS could have been taken with the phonecam you didn't buy specially for the phone.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:27 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 10, 2013, 23:38

Quote from: heywoody on March 10, 2013, 13:29
Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.
Money. My last XXXL was for $27.50 and my last L Vetta was for $33. Maybe you are getting more than 25 cents but it would still take 100 XXXL sales on Shutterstock to equal one Large Vetta sale.

you guys will never understand that we don't get 25 cents subs do you? there are SODs climbing up to 120$ and daily ODs for 2.85$? if I put PP in the equation its pretty similar to SS actually, not even going to talk about the totals but sure keep on playing on the fantasy world if it makes you feel better about iStock, yep its all roses and SS is evil wooooh

tickstock · « **Reply #34 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:52 »

BImages · « **Reply #35 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:54 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 10, 2013, 23:38

Quote from: heywoody on March 10, 2013, 13:29
Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.
Money. My last XXXL was for $27.50 and my last L Vetta was for $33. Maybe you are getting more than 25 cents but it would still take 100 XXXL sales on Shutterstock to equal one Large Vetta sale.

Yep, size is valuable, ask every womens...

luissantos84 · « **Reply #36 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:57 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 09:52

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 11, 2013, 09:27
Quote from: tickstock on March 10, 2013, 23:38
Quote from: heywoody on March 10, 2013, 13:29
Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.
Money. My last XXXL was for $27.50 and my last L Vetta was for $33. Maybe you are getting more than 25 cents but it would still take 100 XXXL sales on Shutterstock to equal one Large Vetta sale.

you guys will never understand that we don't get 25 cents subs do you? there are SODs climbing up to 120$ and daily ODs for 2.85$? if I put PP in the equation its pretty similar to SS actually, not even going to talk about the totals but sure keep on playing on the fantasy world if it makes you feel better about iStock, yep its all roses and SS is evil wooooh
Help me understand then Luis, what % of your DLs are for $120? Have you ever even had one that high? From reading this forum my guess is that those sales are probably less than 1 in 10,000.

like I have said my RPD equals iStock, in terms of totals SS is around 4x times more, I believe that you should continue being dreamy with iStock and stop talking about agencies you know zero, there isn't a single day here that an exclusive puts SS down due to subs (look at the poll and follow the earnings reports here), if it is working for you celebrate hard coz tomorrow might be different

tickstock · « **Reply #37 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:17 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:18 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 11:17

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 11, 2013, 10:57
...there isn't a single day here that an exclusive puts SS down due to subs (look at the poll and follow the earnings reports here)
Are you saying the poll results for Shutterstock are low because exclusives are putting down subscription sales? I've heard it all now.

no, I am not saying that, I am talking about your insistence on the 25 cents sales

tickstock · « **Reply #39 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:23 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:37 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 11:23

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 11, 2013, 11:18
Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 11:17
Quote from: luissantos84 on March 11, 2013, 10:57
...there isn't a single day here that an exclusive puts SS down due to subs (look at the poll and follow the earnings reports here)
Are you saying the poll results for Shutterstock are low because exclusives are putting down subscription sales? I've heard it all now.

no, I am not saying that, I am talking about your insistence on the 25 cents sales
Oh is that what you're going on about. 25 cents or 70 cents it's not much different.

for you its nothing I know

(shall I remind you of the totals again?)

I will make it simple for you, its like eating fresh spaghetti or the usual dry that last until 2015, you should try it

tickstock · « **Reply #41 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:49 »

luissantos84 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:52 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 11:49

Where's Lagereek when you want something written clearly?

that finished me

tickstock · « **Reply #43 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:53 »

ShadySue · « **Reply #44 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:22 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 11:17

Quote from: luissantos84 on March 11, 2013, 10:57
...there isn't a single day here that an exclusive puts SS down due to subs (look at the poll and follow the earnings reports here)
Are you saying the poll results for Shutterstock are low because exclusives are putting down subscription sales? I've heard it all now.

You have totally misunderstood what luissanto said. He said nothing about the polls. He said that iS exclusives often put SS down (i.e. denigrate them) because of subs.

heywoody · « **Reply #45 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:44 »

Quote from: ShadySue on March 11, 2013, 04:08

Quote from: heywoody on March 10, 2013, 13:29
Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.
Cost of equipment?
I could take up to L with the camera I had before I ever submitted stock. To get the larger sizes took serious cash investment.
I do see the counter argument that a very large photo might be used once in a throw-away publication and an XS might be used for eternity on a website. But still, that XS could have been taken with the phonecam you didn't buy specially for the phone.

Sorry, same effort, skill, creativity AND equipment  Still, the guy with the nice camera will get the same price for a shot of something in his fridge as the guy with that camera plus thousands of $ in lighting, plus paying models etc etc. The 2nd guy then presumably recoups his costs based on volumes rather than the price of the individual licence.

Quote from: tickstock on March 10, 2013, 23:38

Quote from: heywoody on March 10, 2013, 13:29
Exactly the same effort, skill and creativity goes in to an XS as an XXL so why folks get their knickers in a twist over the size of a download is beyond me.
Money. My last XXXL was for $27.50 and my last L Vetta was for $33. Maybe you are getting more than 25 cents but it would still take 100 XXXL sales on Shutterstock to equal one Large Vetta sale.

If you’re getting loads of Vettas and XXXLs that’s great for as long as the market supports those kind of prices. There really isn’t anything to suggest that IS is offering significantly better or different product to the others so hard to see buyers continuing to pay so much more.

tickstock · « **Reply #46 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:46 »

tickstock · « **Reply #47 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:54 »

ShadySue · « **Reply #48 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:55 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 12:46

Quote from: ShadySue on March 11, 2013, 12:22
Quote from: tickstock on March 11, 2013, 11:17
Quote from: luissantos84 on March 11, 2013, 10:57
...there isn't a single day here that an exclusive puts SS down due to subs (look at the poll and follow the earnings reports here)
Are you saying the poll results for Shutterstock are low because exclusives are putting down subscription sales? I've heard it all now.

You have totally misunderstood what luissanto said. He said nothing about the polls. He said that iS exclusives often put SS down (i.e. denigrate them) because of subs.
Oh I thought he said "look at the poll".

That was a different clause. I'm pretty sure he meant, "Lots of iS exclusives denigrate SS because of subs, but look at the poll and see the money that SS contributors can make."
The poll seems to show that at the moment, indies do much better on SS than they do on iStock, but exclusives would need to submit to every agency around to make the same amount of money.
'At the moment' being a pretty important qualifier, IMO.

tickstock · « **Reply #49 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:59 »

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