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However, what I can say is that I tend to generally agree with you in that veterans need to be more encouraging to newbies while at the same time "keeping it real".
What's the point of a newbies section on here?
Quote from: Noedelhap on September 05, 2017, 07:30Quote from: Brasilnut on September 05, 2017, 04:32 veterans need to be more encouraging to newbies while at the same time "keeping it real".Veterans don't need to do anything. Why should it be their job to encourage young newbie competitors? Posting some info about a new camera, or reviewing a rejected photo, sure, why not. But actively encouraging people to get ahead in this business? It's tough enough as it is.We're all in the same boat, but if the boat is already sinking from the weight, it's every man for himself.Yep... I'm doing fine but when I say so I get called BS. So why bother helping competition.Is Noodelhap Nederlands?
Quote from: Brasilnut on September 05, 2017, 04:32 veterans need to be more encouraging to newbies while at the same time "keeping it real".Veterans don't need to do anything. Why should it be their job to encourage young newbie competitors? Posting some info about a new camera, or reviewing a rejected photo, sure, why not. But actively encouraging people to get ahead in this business? It's tough enough as it is.We're all in the same boat, but if the boat is already sinking from the weight, it's every man for himself.
veterans need to be more encouraging to newbies while at the same time "keeping it real".
Don't forgot the talented women in this business as well
Quote from: Brasilnut on September 05, 2017, 10:32What's the point of a newbies section on here? For newbies to get together and discuss things.
Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on September 05, 2017, 10:39Quote from: Brasilnut on September 05, 2017, 10:32What's the point of a newbies section on here? For newbies to get together and discuss things. So, a kind of segregation?
Quote from: Chichikov on September 06, 2017, 07:39Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on September 05, 2017, 10:39Quote from: Brasilnut on September 05, 2017, 10:32What's the point of a newbies section on here? For newbies to get together and discuss things. So, a kind of segregation?Kind of "likeminded".
Yes, still segregation or sectarianism it is or just a kind of elitism.
Quote from: Chichikov on September 06, 2017, 09:18Yes, still segregation or sectarianism it is or just a kind of elitism.No. They can hang out and post where every they like. If they want to discuss newbie topics with like minded newbies, then they post in ... wait for it ... the newbie forum. Try not to make drama where there isn't any.
I don't make any drama of it, but as behavior it remembers me the times when busses, bars, and other public places were forbidden to "not white people" in theUSAOr other countries, like Germany, Russia, China and others, where people were put in camps because they had different origins or different political ideas
I have a dream that one day this forum will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all contributors are created equal."
Yes. It's just like that.
I have a dream that newbies will one day live in a forum where they will not be judged by their lack of expertise but by the content of their character.
QuoteI don't make any drama of it, but as behavior it remembers me the times when busses, bars, and other public places were forbidden to "not white people" in theUSAOr other countries, like Germany, Russia, China and others, where people were put in camps because they had different origins or different political ideasI have a dream that one day this forum will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all contributors are created equal."I have a dream that one day even the MSG forum, a place sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I am new here and this is only my second post but I have read most of the recent topics and I can't help but notice the huge amount of frustration and disappointment and even discouragement sometimes ! I guess all newbies know that it's not a huge business, doesn't make u rich or even close but I think many of the friends who post and comment here are really discouraging. I know they are being realistic, I totally understand that, but you can be realistic and at the same time keep some optimistic views for those who are eager to try and go through this. I think one can be realistic but in the meantime supportive and optimistic. Sent from my SM-G928C using Tapatalk
3% royalty on DP, doesnt get more optimistic than that, or 0.01c royalty on Istock. Or have royalty slashed from 70% to 30% because it is better for sales, is also quite optimistic. Or have ELs go from 28$ fixed to 30% of sales price. All very optimistic. The only optimistic thing that happened was the closure of the Dollar Photo Club. Unfortunately not so optimistically was that I got kicked off Fotolia for fighting for our rights.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all [....] are created equal."