Author Topic: Nikon's new full frame sensor camera will be launched on November 5th (Read 21920 times)

luissantos84 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2013, 08:17 »

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on November 05, 2013, 07:06

A D7100 is around $1,000 and has mostly better specs than this.

Comparable Fuji and Olympus cameras are around $1,000.

So this camera is over $2,700 because...

I don't agree with the price as well, I wish it was 500$, anyway comparing a D7100 with this Df doesn't make any sense, its a FX camera not a DX like 7100

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2013, 08:45 »

Well, I cannot say that I don’t like the aspect of this camera, I find it nice, I like the taste of retro, I would like to take it in my hands to understand if it can give me the same sensations I had with my first cameras.
But I don’t see any reason (for me), today, to buy such a toy: no flash, no video (not that I need it, but for the price it could stay…), little battery, heavy weight.
I understand that it is only an operation of marketing, a trend

2750 $ in the name of god marketing?
No thanks!

My opinion is that a good vintage digital camera should be no more than a vintage digital camera, so a vintage camera like a Nikkormat, a Nikon FM or a Minolta SRT 101, with a sensor instead of the film, plus a card writer/reader, a counter (okay for LCD).
No more. No menus, no settings, no automatisms, no programs, no autofocus,
Not even the monitor on the back!
I would like to see the diaphragm control on the lens, a stigmometer in the viewfinder…

It should be a camera “You take your time and you know what you are doing”
Not a camera “Fire and you will adjust anything then in Lightroom”…

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #27 on:** November 05, 2013, 09:05 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 08:17

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on November 05, 2013, 07:06
A D7100 is around $1,000 and has mostly better specs than this.

Comparable Fuji and Olympus cameras are around $1,000.

So this camera is over $2,700 because...

I don't agree with the price as well, I wish it was 500$, anyway comparing a D7100 with this Df doesn't make any sense, its a FX camera not a DX like 7100

I don't think FX vs DX is important as it used to be. FX may help with high MP cameras like a D800 but at up to 24MP I don't think there's much of an advantage anymore.

I picked up an NEX-7 for travel thinking that the quality wouldn't come close to my FX 5DMII. When I took the same shots and compared images at full size I couldn't tell a difference. In some cases I've found the NEX-7 to be better. I rarely use my 5DMII anymore. And the only reason I use the D800 is the 36MP. For what I shoot the new A7R could probably replace all three cameras.

So on paper FX sounds superior. In reality I can't see any advantage. So is FX worth $1,700 extra over a 16MP Fuji or Olympus? To a Nikon fanatic maybe. Anybody else probably not. And when the comparison tests come out I doubt there will be a huge difference in quality.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 05, 2013, 09:12 »

I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

luissantos84 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 05, 2013, 09:26 »

USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #30 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:18 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:26

USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Generally the prices from USA are without VAT, and the prices for Europe are VAT included.
No?

But even like this you can book a flight

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #31 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:22 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:12

I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

FX will probably offer an advantage at higher ISOs but who's shooting stock at ISO 6400 or 12800? When I need to go over ISO400 I get out a tripod. I had a D80 and the high ISOs weren't all that great either.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:25 »

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on November 05, 2013, 10:18

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:26
USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Generally the prices from USA are without VAT, and the prices for Europe are VAT included.
No?

But even like this you can book a flight

both include VAT

luissantos84 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:27 »

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on November 05, 2013, 10:22

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:12
I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

FX will probably offer an advantage at higher ISOs but who's shooting stock at ISO 6400 or 12800? When I need to go over ISO400 I get out a tripod. I had a D80 and the high ISOs weren't all that great either.

I do but its not the "usual" stock, talking about live music

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #34 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:39 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:25

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on November 05, 2013, 10:18
Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:26
USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Generally the prices from USA are without VAT, and the prices for Europe are VAT included.
No?

But even like this you can book a flight

both include VAT

luissantos84 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 05, 2013, 10:42 »

actually it doesn't, sorry!

bunhill · « **Reply #36 on:** November 05, 2013, 11:38 »

Quote from: PaulieWalnuts on November 05, 2013, 07:06

So this camera is over $2,700 because...

... because people will buy it. Assuming it does not turn out to be problematic like the D600 which was their first mistake in years. And then after a while it will come down in price.

And it's got a lot going for it: It's 16 MP which is more than enough for a camera with a 35mm sized sensor. And being full frame it will work nicely in terms of (not too much) depth of field where you don't want it. It's fully compatible with all old and current f-mount lenses (a split screen would be nice for manual focus but the Nikon electronic rangefinder system is proven). Dials are a great way of adjusting settings. And this is not a camera for people who want a built in flash.

It's good that Nikon have decided against going with an EVF. An EVF is never going to give the same sense of what you are looking at compared with a prism or an optical rangefinder. Looking through an EVF is like watching things on TV. And they suck up power pointlessly.

Certainly the D610 looks like tremendous value for money by comparison. But not everyone buys on price. Some people will buy it just because they appreciate and like it. Which is a good reason to buy a thing. Me - I might buy one used in a few years time. Assuming it turns out to be a reliable camera.

disorderly · « **Reply #37 on:** November 05, 2013, 11:57 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:25

Quote from: Beppe Grillo on November 05, 2013, 10:18
Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:26
USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Generally the prices from USA are without VAT, and the prices for Europe are VAT included.
No?

But even like this you can book a flight

both include VAT

Uh, no, First, there's no such thing as VAT in the US. What we have are sales taxes, which vary from state to state and even by county in California and elsewhere. And unlike VAT, sales taxes are not included in the list price; they are calculated at the time of purchase and added to the list price. So a US price is before taxes, where a UK price will include them.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 05, 2013, 12:05 »

Quote from: disorderly on November 05, 2013, 11:57

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:25
Quote from: Beppe Grillo on November 05, 2013, 10:18
Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:26
USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Generally the prices from USA are without VAT, and the prices for Europe are VAT included.
No?

But even like this you can book a flight

both include VAT

Uh, no, First, there's no such thing as VAT in the US. What we have are sales taxes, which vary from state to state and even by county in California and elsewhere. And unlike VAT, sales taxes are not included in the list price; they are calculated at the time of purchase and added to the list price. So a US price is before taxes, where a UK price will include them.

sure! semantics

Beppe Grillo · « **Reply #39 on:** November 05, 2013, 12:14 »

Quote from: disorderly on November 05, 2013, 11:57

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 10:25
Quote from: Beppe Grillo on November 05, 2013, 10:18
Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:26
USA - 2,997$
UK - 2,749£ or 4,411$

better to book a flight

Generally the prices from USA are without VAT, and the prices for Europe are VAT included.
No?

But even like this you can book a flight

both include VAT

Uh, no, First, there's no such thing as VAT in the US. What we have are sales taxes, which vary from state to state and even by county in California and elsewhere. And unlike VAT, sales taxes are not included in the list price; they are calculated at the time of purchase and added to the list price. So a US price is before taxes, where a UK price will include them.

Well said!

elvinstar · « **Reply #40 on:** November 05, 2013, 12:21 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:12

I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

I would think that your high-ISO issues stem more from the age of the sensor rather than the size of it. The D90 is ancient in tech years!

luissantos84 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 05, 2013, 12:23 »

Quote from: elvinstar on November 05, 2013, 12:21

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:12
I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

I would think that your high-ISO issues stem more from the age of the sensor rather than the size of it. The D90 is ancient in tech years!

no doubt there, I do accept donations

etienjones · « **Reply #42 on:** November 05, 2013, 12:35 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:12

I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

Luis

I jumped from the D80 to the D7100 in August and am loving the difference. There was a big jump concerning Noise between the D80 and D90 so you wouldn't be as impressed as I was, but certainly the D7100 is an improvement over that D90 of yours. With 24mp it allows a lot of cropping possibilities for the MS market.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 05, 2013, 12:38 »

Quote from: etienjones on November 05, 2013, 12:35

Quote from: luissantos84 on November 05, 2013, 09:12
I see, perhaps I am quite tired of my DX (D90) and the terrible quality at higher ISO so I want desperately a FX, might look into a D7100 before jumping into a D800, for now will continue dreaming

thanks for sharing your experience!

Luis

I jumped from the D80 to the D7100 in August and am loving the difference. There was a big jump concerning Noise between the D80 and D90 so you wouldn't be as impressed as I was, but certainly the D7100 is an improvement over that D90 of yours. With 24mp it allows a lot of cropping possibilities for the MS market.

yep I believe I would, I have been checking ISO samples and D7100 does look much better, I guess I will continuing saving and get the D800 or "D900"

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