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RacePhoto

« on: December 29, 2011, 13:31 »
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Just asking because I rescued it from storage and was asking on a collectors site, thought maybe someone here might have some ideas. Age, identity, brass or bronze? Square screws hold the base on. Which I found unusual? Overall height 10"
« Last Edit: February 02, 2013, 11:14 by RacePhoto »


« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 14:00 »
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The screw you described to hold on the base - is it the 'Robertson' type shown about a third of the way down the page in this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives) or the external square type shown at the top of the article?

If it's a Robertson, the item most likely was made in Canada where that type of screw is really common. I see a lot of that sort of thing in the local antique markets. (I'm in Canada).

RacePhoto

« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 14:49 »
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The screw you described to hold on the base - is it the 'Robertson' type shown about a third of the way down the page in this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives) or the external square type shown at the top of the article?

If it's a Robertson, the item most likely was made in Canada where that type of screw is really common. I see a lot of that sort of thing in the local antique markets. (I'm in Canada).


Didn't look but I know a Robertson screw recess. Used for furniture and decks. Good question, I should have been clearer.

It's a square nut on a stud. Hardly square, almost looks made made. Also made of brass.

Model T was assembled with Roberston screws. More modern the auto people went to Phillips which sometimes I think was a step backwards. Less drive area and they cam out. Some bright engineer (I always think they sit on the pot and think these ideas up while they are bored) decided that a #15 Torx was a good screw for headlights, so we had that mess for a number of years. They rusted in just as badly as Phillips, but could usually be broken loose. Problem is, the average person didn't own a Torx driver and still doesn't!

Allen, Frearson, Tri-Wing, clutch head, Hi-torque, torq-set, pozidrive, ACR-Phillips, I have them all sitting here. (some tamper proof, and with the hole or the pin) I had some five lobe Torx for prison security and some that were used on Propane canister valves. Tool guy stuff. LOL The door hinge plate on a MGB is a #4 PZD!

Anyway, square nut, rough finish, maybe hand made. Thanks for asking, I forgot to be specific.

« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 16:46 by RacePhoto »

« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2011, 15:16 »
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I've got a clock, c 1800, with hand-cut squarish brass nuts holding some bits on.

It looks to me as though she should be holding a musical instrument which is missing, perhaps a lyre. As a wild stab in the dark I would offer Terpsichore, the muse of dance, who is often depicted with a lyre.

It looks like something that could have been liberated from a Parisienne tart's boudoir in the early part of the last century.

RacePhoto

« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 15:44 »
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I've got a clock, c 1800, with hand-cut squarish brass nuts holding some bits on.

It looks to me as though she should be holding a musical instrument which is missing, perhaps a lyre. As a wild stab in the dark I would offer Terpsichore, the muse of dance, who is often depicted with a lyre.

It looks like something that could have been liberated from a Parisienne tart's boudoir in the early part of the last century.

Thanks, they are classical in some poses. Hmm, the hair crown, headdress I thought might be a tip also. The closest I found was a similar pose and she's holding an apple. Another one a cornucopia. The Aztecs had the fingers like that as a sign of art and culture. (the men in drawings and paintings)

But now that you mention it a lute or harp would fit there nicely? Long gone, this was an unusual acquisition maybe 20 years ago.

Wait with her lower finger like that, I'd say Jazz and she plays the stand up bass.

lagereek

« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 15:55 »
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Sculpture by Rodin, approx. 1856, value according to Christies. between. 100K - 250K. approx, that is.

« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2011, 16:06 »
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It's Venus de Milo

RacePhoto

« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 16:30 »
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Sculpture by Rodin, approx. 1856, value according to Christies. between. 100K - 250K. approx, that is.

I wish...  ;D Then I could retire for real.

And Kenny, I believe Venus de Milo has no arms. Unless this is before they broke off? That would be interesting! Hey maybe it is. I love a good hunt. Just thought of something. Google Images! Nah just a bunch of old statues.

« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 16:34 »
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It's Venus de Milo


I think you're right. The pose is very similar.

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Aphrodite.htm

They've just restored the arms.

« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 17:44 »
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Here she is with arms in that pose http://x.co/cA5x

« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2011, 00:18 »
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Here she is with arms in that pose http://x.co/cA5x


Exact pose and statue, but a joke news story, may not venus de milo. It is La cosiddetta "Venere di Capua", al Museo archeologico nazionale di Napoli.

« Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 00:25 by YadaYadaYada »

RacePhoto

« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2011, 01:17 »
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Here she is with arms in that pose http://x.co/cA5x


Thanks Kenny and everyone else, I never would have found it without you.

APHRODITE VENUS DE CAPUA, Museum Collection: Museo Archeologico Nazionale di Napoli, Naples, Italy
Title: Venus de Capua, Material: Marble, Height: 2.04 metres
Context: Found at Capua, Copy by Greek sculptors during the Roman Imperial period hired to copy a Greek statue C4th BC, Style: Early Hellenistic, Period: Imperial Roman, Aphrodite partially disrobed, her arms raised to hold a polished shield in which to gaze at her reflection (missing).

OK so no string bass, I'm disappointed.

lagereek

« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 01:59 »
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Hi Race!

well you never know?  remeber the old woman down in Cornwall, England, cleaning out her attic, found a small insignificant painting, she thought it was uggly and terrible,  well it turned out Paul.Cezanne had been in the neighborhood, painting, etc.

Price-tag at Sothebys turned out to be, 1.2 million dollars.

RacePhoto

« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 02:50 »
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Hi Race!

well you never know?  remeber the old woman down in Cornwall, England, cleaning out her attic, found a small insignificant painting, she thought it was uggly and terrible,  well it turned out Paul.Cezanne had been in the neighborhood, painting, etc.

Price-tag at Sothebys turned out to be, 1.2 million dollars.

I wasn't really concerned with value, just wondered who she was. It was a gift from a friend many years ago. But of course if it's valuable I can be convinced to get a used Canon 1D or 7D instead of a crusty old bronze statue. LOL

RacePhoto

« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 11:13 »
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Venus de Cupua update. Yeah, still at it. I was searching this morning and found a friend of hers. Also 8 1/2 inches tall from the base to the top of her head. Very close but not identical. Many similarities in the design and base decorations.

http://www.marcuswestbury.co.uk/MARCUS%20WESTBURY%20%28FINE%20ART%29/FORTUNA_PAGE.htm

And the museum version:  http://www.theoi.com/Gallery/S10.19.html

S10.19 APHRODITE "VENUS DE CAPUA "

Museum Collection: Museo Archeologico Nazionale di Napoli, Naples, Italy
Catalogue Number: Naples 251
Title: "Venus de Capua"
Class: Free-standing statue
Material: Marble
Height: 2.04 metres
Context: Found at Capua
Original / Copy: Roman copy of Greek statue C4th BC
Style: Early Hellenistic
Date: --
Period: Imperial Roman

I don't think mine is Bronze. In fact I'm not sure it's brass. There are places I see flaws and the guy who owns my office building was quick to say "it looks like it's plated".

Anyway, 19th Century would be nice?


 

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