Author Topic: Biden (Read 3646 times)

Pacesetter · « **on:** January 26, 2025, 03:45 »

Stocker2014 would agree with me that while Biden was getting a bit old for the job and a little incoherent with his speech, he was overall a good leader who served his people well during his tenure as 46th president of the United States.

On behalf of Stocker2014, myself and the Microstock Group forum, we would just like to thank you Joe Biden and the Democrats for your four years of exceptional service and leadership.

Kind regards.

Year of the Dog · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2025, 21:41 »

2020 Biden "pauses and has a perplexed look on his face as he collects himself to compensate for his stutter." They have been covering for him since before he was elected.

AM24 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2025, 16:21 »

What happened to improving the economy?

“Look, I can undo almost everything Biden did … through executive order,” Mr Trump told Time in November. “And on day one, much of that will be undone.”

"We don’t want to have this fight, but we won’t lose it," candidate for Canadian prime minister says on tariffs.

With tariffs signed, Trump warns of ‘pain’ to come for Americans

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/02/politics/us-tariffs-americans-pay-imports/index.html

Remember this ...

https://youtu.be/loPyiGgki4Q

stoker2014 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2025, 08:41 »

Biden and the Democrats stole money that was allocated to Ukraine!

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has clarified that of the approximately US$177 billion in aid approved by the US for Ukraine, the country has received about US$76 billion.

Quote: "When I hear – both in the past and even now – from the US that America has provided Ukraine with hundreds of billions [of dollars] (177, to be precise, based on what Congress approved), as the president of a nation at war, I can tell you – we’ve received more than US$75 billion.

So, when people talk about US$177 billion or even US$200 billion, we’ve never received that. We’re talking about tangible things because this aid didn’t come as cash but rather as weapons, which amounted to about US$70 billion.

But when it’s said that Ukraine received US$200 billion to support the army during the war – that’s not true. I don’t know where all that money went. Perhaps it’s true on paper with hundreds of different programmes – I won’t argue, and we’re immensely grateful for everything. But in reality, we received about US$76 billion. It’s significant aid, but it’s not US$200 billion."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/02/2/7496431/

stoker2014 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 03, 2025, 08:47 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on January 26, 2025, 03:45

Stocker2014 would agree with me

No. Biden is a criminal and putin's accomplice. Biden's place is in prison and the electric chair.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #5 on:** February 03, 2025, 16:01 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 03, 2025, 08:41

Biden and the Democrats stole money that was allocated to Ukraine!

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has clarified that of the approximately US$177 billion in aid approved by the US for Ukraine, the country has received about US$76 billion.

Quote: "When I hear – both in the past and even now – from the US that America has provided Ukraine with hundreds of billions [of dollars] (177, to be precise, based on what Congress approved), as the president of a nation at war, I can tell you – we’ve received more than US$75 billion.

So, when people talk about US$177 billion or even US$200 billion, we’ve never received that. We’re talking about tangible things because this aid didn’t come as cash but rather as weapons, which amounted to about US$70 billion.

But when it’s said that Ukraine received US$200 billion to support the army during the war – that’s not true. I don’t know where all that money went. Perhaps it’s true on paper with hundreds of different programmes – I won’t argue, and we’re immensely grateful for everything. But in reality, we received about US$76 billion. It’s significant aid, but it’s not US$200 billion."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/02/2/7496431/

Well, the whereabouts of the money have not yet been clarified. It is also conceivable that the money could have ended up in the notoriously corrupt Ukraine.

Given the level of your contributions as a Ukrainian here, not entirely unlikely.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 03, 2025, 17:03 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 03, 2025, 16:01

notoriously corrupt Ukraine.

Considering that for many years Germany was led by a KGB agent named Merkel and considering that the Germans on this forum support her, I am not surprised by what you write here.
I think that Russians and putin will thank you for such posts.

cascoly · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2025, 11:58 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 03, 2025, 17:03

...
Considering that for many years Germany was led by a KGB agent named M***l ...

your source for this disgraceful libel?

Big Money · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2025, 13:12 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 03, 2025, 08:41

Biden and the Democrats stole money that was allocated to Ukraine!

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has clarified that of the approximately US$177 billion in aid approved by the US for Ukraine, the country has received about US$76 billion.

Quote: "When I hear – both in the past and even now – from the US that America has provided Ukraine with hundreds of billions [of dollars] (177, to be precise, based on what Congress approved), as the president of a nation at war, I can tell you – we’ve received more than US$75 billion.

So, when people talk about US$177 billion or even US$200 billion, we’ve never received that. We’re talking about tangible things because this aid didn’t come as cash but rather as weapons, which amounted to about US$70 billion.

But when it’s said that Ukraine received US$200 billion to support the army during the war – that’s not true. I don’t know where all that money went. Perhaps it’s true on paper with hundreds of different programmes – I won’t argue, and we’re immensely grateful for everything. But in reality, we received about US$76 billion. It’s significant aid, but it’s not US$200 billion."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/02/2/7496431/

Now that Musk has the financials the crap is going to hit the fan! A lot of corruption will be found!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2025, 13:46 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 04, 2025, 11:58

your source

Are you German? Did I guess right?
Yes, all Germans defend Merkel.

Sources, I've written a lot about her on this forum. In short:
1. Her biography.
2. Her politics.
3. Statement by a Ukrainian counterintelligence general who knew her personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VutRiileVhw

You can turn on subtitles and translate them into any language.

Yes, the whole world knows that this German woman is a KGB agent, but the Germans themselves do not know about it. I can imagine what kind of harsh propaganda the Germans live under....

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2025, 15:20 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 04, 2025, 13:46

Sources, I've written a lot about her on this forum. In short:

3. Statement by a Ukrainian counterintelligence general who knew her personally.

Darling, do you think we're all stupid here?

General Hryhoriy Omelchenko, head of the Ukrainian counterintelligence, has repeatedly spread the narrative around the world that many governments are infested with Russian agents. That is his job.
He has never provided evidence, only assumptions.
Incidentally, this also applies to Orban, who used to be anti-Russian and has changed his mind.

That Omelchenko knows Merkel personally is a lie.

He bases his claim about Merkel's KGB activities solely on the fact that Merkel spoke Russian, had a friendly relationship with Putin (as did other european states, by the way) and shut down nuclear power plants with the assumption making Germany dependent on Russian gas.
Your top intelligence officer obviously didn't notice the Fukushima nuclear accident.

AM24 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2025, 17:10 »

Quote from: Big Money on February 04, 2025, 13:12

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 03, 2025, 08:41
Biden and the Democrats stole money that was allocated to Ukraine!

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has clarified that of the approximately US$177 billion in aid approved by the US for Ukraine, the country has received about US$76 billion.

Quote: "When I hear – both in the past and even now – from the US that America has provided Ukraine with hundreds of billions [of dollars] (177, to be precise, based on what Congress approved), as the president of a nation at war, I can tell you – we’ve received more than US$75 billion.

So, when people talk about US$177 billion or even US$200 billion, we’ve never received that. We’re talking about tangible things because this aid didn’t come as cash but rather as weapons, which amounted to about US$70 billion.

But when it’s said that Ukraine received US$200 billion to support the army during the war – that’s not true. I don’t know where all that money went. Perhaps it’s true on paper with hundreds of different programmes – I won’t argue, and we’re immensely grateful for everything. But in reality, we received about US$76 billion. It’s significant aid, but it’s not US$200 billion."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/02/2/7496431/

Now that Musk has the financials the crap is going to hit the fan! A lot of corruption will be found!

Congress is responsible for the distribution of funds, aren't they?

"The Constitution grants Congress the “power of the purse” when it comes to federal spending. Congress demonstrates this authority annually through the appropriations process, allocating nearly one-third of the $6.8 trillion in federal expenditures across various government agencies, programs, projects, and activities."

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/explainer/budget-impoundment/

(Republicans have held the majority in Congress since 2022)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2025, 17:18 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 04, 2025, 15:20

That Omelchenko knows Merkel personally is a lie.

Doctor, who are you to question the words of a counterintelligence officer? Are you a relative of Merkel and do you know who she knew during the USSR?
This officer said in an interview that he knew her. I gave a link to a short excerpt from this interview, but there is also a full version on YouTube.
Doctor, I find it funny to hear you accuse Ukrainian intelligence of lying.

Wilm · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2025, 18:03 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 03, 2025, 17:03

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on February 03, 2025, 16:01
notoriously corrupt Ukraine.
Considering that for many years Germany was led by a KGB agent named Merkel and considering that the Germans on this forum support her, I am not surprised by what you write here.
I think that Russians and putin will thank you for such posts.

If you really want to go back in time to Angela Merkel's era, the person you cite below - Hryhoriy Omelchenko - was the head of the parliamentary commission for combating crime and corruption at the time of the investigation into the sale of Ukrainian cruise missiles to China and Iran, in which a number of high-ranking Ukrainian officials were involved.
Incidentally, Hryhoriy Omelchenko later also questioned the legal basis for Zelensky's remaining in office as head of state.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2025, 18:33 »

I see that the Germans are now frantically trying to find any dirt on the Ukrainian intelligence officer. At the same time, they themselves do not understand what they are writing and what they are quoting.
The show goes on.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2025, 18:35 »

Germans, you should decide whether you are for the Russians, putin and merkel or whether you are against Naz.ism, against the Russians, against the KGB and for truth and democracy. Be honest with yourselves at least.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2025, 23:32 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 04, 2025, 17:18

Doctor, who are you to question the words of a counterintelligence officer?

And when presented with an accusation of wrongdoing by Ukraine (from a Russian counter-intelligence officer) I'm sure you'll demonstrate your usual level of bias-free commentary, and accede to their superior wisdom?

hatman12 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2025, 22:11 »

Biden - worst president in the history of the United States.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #18 on:** February 07, 2025, 02:19 »

Are you basing that on anything specific, or is that just a personal opinion.... because all the approval ratings and things like the economy/unemployment etc, would disagree with you? I don't think there was anything overwhelmingly positive about Biden, or even slightly positive to be fair, but if there needs to be a president between Trump and Trump then a relatively neutral, benign placeholder that doesn't let anything decline much further... works just fine for me!

But yeah, if you're pitting Biden against Trump for who's the worst president... that would be another example of Trump 'winning'.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2025, 22:48 »

Quote from: hatman12 on February 06, 2025, 22:11

Biden - worst president in the history of the United States.

No, the current guy is blowing him out of the water on that count.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2025, 03:43 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on February 11, 2025, 22:48

Quote from: hatman12 on February 06, 2025, 22:11
Biden - worst president in the history of the United States.

No, the current guy is blowing him out of the water on that count.

1. The topic is about Biden.
2. It is too early to assess Trump's actions at this point.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2025, 07:12 »

Trump: A few weeks over four years... it's too early to assess Trump's actions at this point.

Biden: A few weeks less than four years... electric chair!

You do make me chuckle!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2025, 07:34 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 12, 2025, 07:12

Biden: A few ~~weeks~~ years less than four years... electric chair!

+100

stoker2014 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2025, 12:29 »

Elon Musk

A significant percentage of the money “sent to Ukraine” actually ended up benefitting US politicians, the DNC and some Republicans.
That’s why Zelensky says he only received half the money.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892627335188230260
___________
So, Biden and the Democrats and some Republicans stole the money. This is US taxpayers' money that was used to help Ukraine, but was not given to Ukraine. We are talking about a sum of more than $100 billion.

ShadySue · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2025, 12:38 »

Like anyone would rush in just to believe anything Musk says any more than his bum chum Trump.
He has told so many lies in his current not-job that I'd want to see a LOT more evidence for his claims before getting incensed.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/19/here-are-the-biggest-doge-hoaxes-and-inaccuracies-as-8-million-canceled-ice-contract-listed-at-8-billion
and if he's not making up lies himself, he's spreading other people's lies, including those emanating from Russia.
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36XA8LR

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #25 on:** February 21, 2025, 13:12 »

Like this? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/administrator-zeldin-announces-billions-dollars-worth-gold-bars-have-been-located

“Roughly twenty billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution by the Biden EPA. This scheme was the first of its kind in EPA history and it was purposefully designed to obligate all of the money in a rush job with reduced oversight,”

ShadySue · « **Reply #26 on:** February 21, 2025, 13:26 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 21, 2025, 13:12

Like this? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/administrator-zeldin-announces-billions-dollars-worth-gold-bars-have-been-located

“Roughly twenty billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution by the Biden EPA. This scheme was the first of its kind in EPA history and it was purposefully designed to obligate all of the money in a rush job with reduced oversight,”

I can see that that would be of great concern to Americans and needs to be investigated.
But I saw nothing there to suggest that the money had been at any time earmarked for Ukraine.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 21, 2025, 13:31 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 21, 2025, 13:26

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 21, 2025, 13:12
Like this? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/administrator-zeldin-announces-billions-dollars-worth-gold-bars-have-been-located

“Roughly twenty billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution by the Biden EPA. This scheme was the first of its kind in EPA history and it was purposefully designed to obligate all of the money in a rush job with reduced oversight,”

I can see that that would be of great concern to Americans and needs to be investigated.
But I saw nothing there to suggest that the money had been at any time earmarked for Ukraine.

It's not about Ukraine, it's about the theft of money in the US. It's not just money intended for Ukraine that's being stolen. It's about Biden and how much money the Democrats stole from US citizens.

ShadySue · « **Reply #28 on:** February 21, 2025, 13:40 »

"Biden administration slowed Ukraine arms shipments until his term was nearly done

While Biden sped up deliveries after the U.S. election, his final year in office was largely marked by delays caused by congressional inaction and months-long internal debates."
https://www.reuters.com/investigations/biden-administration-beset-by-doubts-slowed-ukraine-weapons-shipments-until-2025-02-03/

ShadySue · « **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2025, 13:46 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 21, 2025, 13:31

Quote from: ShadySue on February 21, 2025, 13:26
Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 21, 2025, 13:12
Like this? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/administrator-zeldin-announces-billions-dollars-worth-gold-bars-have-been-located

“Roughly twenty billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution by the Biden EPA. This scheme was the first of its kind in EPA history and it was purposefully designed to obligate all of the money in a rush job with reduced oversight,”

I can see that that would be of great concern to Americans and needs to be investigated.
But I saw nothing there to suggest that the money had been at any time earmarked for Ukraine.
It's not about Ukraine, it's about the theft of money in the US. It's not just money intended for Ukraine that's being stolen. It's about Biden and how much money the Democrats stole from US citizens.

YOU were the one who quoted Musk as saying it was money meant to be sent to Ukraine:

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 21, 2025, 12:29

Elon Musk

A significant percentage of the money “sent to Ukraine” actually ended up benefitting US politicians, the DNC and some Republicans.
That’s why Zelensky says he only received half the money.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892627335188230260#

Then you added your opinion:

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 21, 2025, 12:29

So, Biden and the Democrats and some Republicans stole the money. This is US taxpayers' money that was used to help Ukraine, but was not given to Ukraine. We are talking about a sum of more than $100 billion.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #30 on:** February 21, 2025, 13:54 »

ShadySue, I know and remember what I wrote. I also wrote to you that this topic contains information not only about the theft of money intended for Ukraine by democrats.

Wilm · « **Reply #31 on:** February 21, 2025, 15:35 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 21, 2025, 12:29

Elon Musk

A significant percentage of the money “sent to Ukraine” actually ended up benefitting US politicians, the DNC and some Republicans.
That’s why Zelensky says he only received half the money.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892627335188230260
___________
So, Biden and the Democrats and some Republicans stole the money. This is US taxpayers' money that was used to help Ukraine, but was not given to Ukraine. We are talking about a sum of more than $100 billion.

Elon Musk

"It should be completely obvious that a Zelensky-driven poll about his own approval rating is not credible." Zelenskyi is "despised by the Ukrainian people, which is why he refused to organize an election," Musk wrote."

ShadySue · « **Reply #32 on:** February 21, 2025, 16:41 »

https://war.ukraine.ua/articles/not-sacrificing-democracy-why-ukraine-cannot-hold-elections-under-the-martial-law

cascoly · « **Reply #33 on:** February 21, 2025, 17:35 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 21, 2025, 12:38

Like anyone would rush in just to believe anything Musk says any more than his bum chum Trump.
He has told so many lies in his current not-job that I'd want to see a LOT more evidence for his claims before getting incensed.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/19/here-are-the-biggest-doge-hoaxes-and-inaccuracies-as-8-million-canceled-ice-contract-listed-at-8-billion
and if he's not making up lies himself, he's spreading other people's lies, including those emanating from Russia.
https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36XA8LR

then there's Musk's idiotic list of 'dead' or fake people receiving social security - he claimed that there were 10's of millions for each tranche (eg 30-40) for a total over 350 million with over 10 million over 100 yrs (there's actually< 100K) - of course there are only roughly 80 million people on SS in TOTAL

stoker2014 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 21, 2025, 18:28 »

Quote from: Wilm on February 21, 2025, 15:35

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 21, 2025, 12:29
Elon Musk

A significant percentage of the money “sent to Ukraine” actually ended up benefitting US politicians, the DNC and some Republicans.
That’s why Zelensky says he only received half the money.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1892627335188230260
___________
So, Biden and the Democrats and some Republicans stole the money. This is US taxpayers' money that was used to help Ukraine, but was not given to Ukraine. We are talking about a sum of more than $100 billion.

Elon Musk

"It should be completely obvious that a Zelensky-driven poll about his own approval rating is not credible." Zelenskyi is "despised by the Ukrainian people, which is why he refused to organize an election," Musk wrote."

He can't understand everything. But money is what he is doing professionally now, Trump appointed him and he already has his own department. I hope there will be an investigation into where the Democrats spent the money.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #35 on:** February 22, 2025, 12:00 »

Quote from: ShadySue on February 21, 2025, 13:26

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 21, 2025, 13:12
Like this? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/administrator-zeldin-announces-billions-dollars-worth-gold-bars-have-been-located

“Roughly twenty billion of your tax dollars were parked at an outside financial institution by the Biden EPA. This scheme was the first of its kind in EPA history and it was purposefully designed to obligate all of the money in a rush job with reduced oversight,”

I can see that that would be of great concern to Americans and needs to be investigated.
But I saw nothing there to suggest that the money had been at any time earmarked for Ukraine.

Just a note. I never said anything about the Ukraine and I have never written anything about the Ukraine on this forum.

The government spending and waste isn't limited to Biden, or recent times, just that some of the worst of it and some of the most underhanded, illegal actions, were committed under the Biden administration. There's some concern that he didn't know what was going on, and people under him, were pulling the strings, but in defense, agencies and departments can misuse funds, without the President knowing.

Yes, that's what's going on, these concerns and claims are being investigated. More fraud and illegal activity is being found every day. Stopping the waste is a good project. Just like securing the borders while reducing spending on non-citizens who don't pay taxes and only drain the system. We the people who pay taxes and have, deserve to have that money used for Our Country and our people, first.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 22, 2025, 13:23 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 22, 2025, 12:00

There's some concern that he didn't know what was going on, and people under him, were pulling the strings, but in defense, agencies and departments can misuse funds, without the President knowing.

We all know that in his final moments as president, Biden pardoned all of his relatives. This suggests that he stole US taxpayer money through his relatives.

cascoly · « **Reply #37 on:** February 22, 2025, 13:59 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 22, 2025, 12:00

...Just like securing the borders while reducing spending on non-citizens who don't pay taxes and only drain the system. We the people who pay taxes ..

but many non-citizens pay into social security without being able to get any benefits or have with holding. in some cases their employers take only cash are the ones defrauding the govt

According to an in-depth analysis (to which I contributed) by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, the undocumented population in 2022 paid almost $97 billion in taxes, with over $54 billion in payments to the federal government and more than $37 billion paid out to states and localities. Put another way, the U.S. stands to lose $8.9 billion in tax revenue for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who are sent out of this country under a program of mass deportation. Undocumented immigrants help fund teacher salaries, road and bridge repairs and other local quality-of-life improvements. They also pay into vital programs that make up our social safety net (including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance) even though they will likely never see any benefits from these programs — because, in most circumstances, they are legally prohibited from accessing them.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/insights/legal/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes

stoker2014 · « **Reply #38 on:** February 22, 2025, 17:08 »

The communist and leftist cascoly wants to destroy the capitalist world and deprive US citizens of their jobs. To do this, he whitewashes illegals who violate US laws and says how good it is that illegals take jobs from US citizens. This cascoly would like many such illegals so that they vote for communist democrats and eliminate all supporters of capitalism and democracy.

cascoly · « **Reply #39 on:** February 22, 2025, 23:32 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 22, 2025, 17:08

The communist and leftist cascoly wants to destroy the capitalist world and deprive US citizens of their jobs. ...../

Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
Arise, you wretched of the earth!
For justice thunders condemnation.
A better world's in birth.
No more tradition's chains shall bind us.
Arise, you slaves, no more in thrall!
The earth shall rise on new foundations.
We have been naught, we shall be all.

Stock4Me · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2025, 10:13 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 22, 2025, 13:59

Quote from: Uncle Pete on February 22, 2025, 12:00
...Just like securing the borders while reducing spending on non-citizens who don't pay taxes and only drain the system. We the people who pay taxes ..

but many non-citizens pay into social security without being able to get any benefits or have with holding. in some cases their employers take only cash are the ones defrauding the govt

According to an in-depth analysis (to which I contributed) by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, the undocumented population in 2022 paid almost $97 billion in taxes, with over $54 billion in payments to the federal government and more than $37 billion paid out to states and localities. Put another way, the U.S. stands to lose $8.9 billion in tax revenue for every 1 million undocumented immigrants who are sent out of this country under a program of mass deportation. Undocumented immigrants help fund teacher salaries, road and bridge repairs and other local quality-of-life improvements. They also pay into vital programs that make up our social safety net (including Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance) even though they will likely never see any benefits from these programs — because, in most circumstances, they are legally prohibited from accessing them.
https://www.lexisnexis.com/community/insights/legal/immigration/b/outsidenews/posts/undocumented-immigrants-pay-more-than-their-fair-share-of-taxes

Illegal aliens don't have social security numbers they use a fake and borrowed number. People paid cash, don't pay taxes. Hiring illegals for under minimum wage, drives the pay of legal workers down and takes away jobs from citizens. Illegals aren't going to get proper working conditions and won't complain if they are abused or forced to work under hazardous conditions. Making excuses for breaking laws doesn't justify illegal actions.

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

That's the law.

cascoly · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2025, 19:03 »

Quote from: Stock4Me on February 23, 2025, 10:13

Illegal aliens don't have social security numbers they use a fake and borrowed number. People paid cash, don't pay taxes.

i showed a reputable source for my statement - do you even have one?

Quote from: Stock4Me

Hiring illegals for under minimum wage, drives the pay of legal workers down and takes away jobs from citizens. Illegals aren't going to get proper working conditions and won't complain if they are abused or forced to work under hazardous conditions. Making excuses for breaking laws doesn't justify illegal actions...

agreed - but all those problems are due to EMPLOYERS breaking the law or opposing laws that would improve working conditions

Democrats have tried to make labor laws tougher & protect workers rights, strengthen & enforce tougher health & safety laws tougher while the Republicans have traditionally opposed these laws & under trump these agencies are being weakened or even eliminated – 2 such are The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) which sets the federal minimum wage (MW) and the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) which enforces FMW
•   US is one of the few developed countries where the minimum wage is decided directly by politicians. Congress has to vote on the issue every single time they want to alter the minimum wage, otherwise it just stays the same. Most other developed countries have some form of commission that meets usually every year or formula that decides the minimum wage, letting it automatically increase over time.
•   In the US however, because it is directly decided by Congress, it is much more difficult to get it raised. Conservative politicians tend to be more supported by business leaders that do not want a raise to the minimum wage and so they consistently oppose any raise to the minimum wage.
•   thus it’s left to (mostly blue) states to increase the state minimum wage, essentially leaving workers in mosdut red states earning less.
•

As for health & safety:
Over the years, progress has become more challenging, as employers’ opposition to workers’ rights and protections has grown, and attacks on unions have intensified. Big corporations and many Republicans have launched an aggressive assault on worker protections. They have used their power and influence to attempt to deregulate the work environment, shift the responsibility to provide safe jobs from employers to individual workers, and undermine the core duties of job safety and health agencies.
The nation must remain committed to protecting workers from job injury, disease and death and to ensure Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) investigations have access to all the relevant facts and witnesses that often are blocked by employers. We must prioritize preventing injury, illness and death at … Employers must meet their responsibilities under the law to protect workers and be held accountable if they put workers in danger.
https://aflcio.org/reports/dotj-2024

stoker2014 · « **Reply #42 on:** February 25, 2025, 05:14 »

Bill Mitchell
@mitchellvii
What they are going to find is that Ukraine money was being laundered back to the DNC using #ActBlue and ghost-donors. I've been saying this for YEARS and it is finally being proven now. Some high-level Democrats (and maybe neocon Republicans) are going to prison for this.

https://x.com/mitchellvii/status/1892367788502556815

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cascoly · « **Reply #43 on:** February 25, 2025, 15:03 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on February 25, 2025, 05:14

... I've been saying this for YEARS and it is finally being proven now. ...

LOL - basically you admit you been 'saying' this for years without any actual evidence?

-- Appalachian saying: even a blind pig can find an acorn once in a while

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #44 on:** April 06, 2025, 07:08 »

At least four books will be published in the next few weeks that provide new details about Biden's failing health and the conspiracy to cover it up.

The Democrats lost the election because they thought they could fool the American public and get Biden re-elected. They should have abandoned him and got a real candidate, then we wouldn't have this situation. Last minute Harris no matter how good she was, lost the election. Don't blame the Trumpsters and Republican's, the Democratic party lost the battle, with their own arrogant, as usual, belief that they could fool people, with their lies.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 06, 2025, 07:26 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on April 06, 2025, 07:08

the Democratic party lost the battle, with their own arrogant, as usual, belief that they could fool people, with their lies.

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