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« on: February 27, 2015, 10:27 »
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KB

« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2015, 10:55 »
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Sean wrote a brief blog post on it:
http://www.seanlockephotography.com/2015/02/27/white-gold-dress/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=white-gold-dress

Some of the comments are pretty funny, especially the one telling Sean to google 'correcting indoor photos'. But in the end, it's clear that the original photo was horribly overexposed, so no wonder all the confusion and angst.

« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2015, 10:56 »
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i saw white/gold with mixed lighting making the white look bluish.

now i see blue and black (although overexposed by 2+ stops)

I'll never trust my eyes again.

Apparently the dress actually is blue/black.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/community/thedress-colour-question-divides-an-internet-1.2974932

Shelma1

« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2015, 12:48 »
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I see black and blue on my ipad and bluish/gold on my laptop.

Uncle Pete

« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2015, 12:49 »
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The room lighting here changed from this morning and so did the apparent color of the dress.



Now the Sun went behind the clouds and it's back to dirty cyan and tan. Five minutes ago, same site, same image was much bluer looking because of the Sunlight light that had been flooding straight into my eyes.

Take a look tonight, there's no trick here. Same image same link.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2015, 12:59 »
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Any which way, any image, any possible outcome, the dress is blue and black, in all instances, there is nothing else to say.

« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2015, 13:22 »
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SS reviewers would probably say red and green.....judging by their latest silly rejections for WB and poor lighting

« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 13:38 »
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I saw white and gold. My brain said the dress is in blue light (for example a window) and the light on the dress is weaker than the surroundings.

The truth is that the dress is in stronger light than the surroundings, and is thus overexposed. There is also a brownish tint in the dress that causes the "gold" color.

But I have no idea how someone can see the situation correctly... I'm baffled...

(maybe it helps to NOT be a photographer?)

« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 13:49 »
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So it's just a question of what colour light is on your screen? If you have a properly callibrated screen for the light you are working in you will see overexposed blue and black (which is what I did see the first time I encountered this dress)?

Oh, no, now I'm going mad because the original version I looked at has turned white and gold, too.....
« Last Edit: February 27, 2015, 13:58 by BaldricksTrousers »

« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2015, 13:54 »
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So it's just a question of what colour light is on your screen? If you have a properly callibrated screen for the light you are working in you will see overexposed blue and black (which is what I did see the first time I encountered this dress)?

Nope, it's psychology. If you REALLY saw the colors, in the image the dress is light blue and the laces are brown. I think it all depends if your brain interprets the blue tint in the dress as a white balance error or color of the fabric.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2015, 14:02 »
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The people saying they saw blue and black are being disagreed with.  :o

How does someone else know what they see? Secondly, I think its from people who saw white and gold and now cant stand they got fooled  8)

My first thought was washed out blue and black. Never for one second I thought it could be white and gold. I dont even understand there is a discussion about it.

U11


« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2015, 14:08 »
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what is [not] surprising me, that the topic is all over internet and it is kind of news of the day.
It shouldn't be.
It makes us  a society of dumb monkeys.

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2015, 14:19 »
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I'm now a fully converted believer to the blue/black sect. :D

I started by seeing the dress as white with a hint of blue, or an extremely light blue, and a golden brown. The more I've looked at this, and after watching a repeating animated gift where the white balance was being corrected to show the blue/black I've started to see it as medium blue/ light black.

What happened, I don't know. Either I've been brainwashed through subliminal messages in the gif, or I had suffered a color calibration of my eyes, much in the same way I calibrate my monitor...  ???

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2015, 14:22 »
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what is [not] surprising me, that the topic is all over internet and it is kind of news of the day.
It shouldn't be.
It makes us  a society of dumb monkeys.

C'mon, there are tons of shows based on optical illusions where interesting things about the human body and brain are learned. NG has a lot of them. This is something in the line of that although spread in a less scientific and more entertaining way.

And even monkeys have their leisure moments...

« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2015, 14:49 »
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I don't care what color that dress is. I officially hate that dress. Stupid dress is all over my social feeds and frankly, it is not even a good looking dress.  ::)

Going back to work now.

ShadySue

« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2015, 14:57 »
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My goodness, this has been on the BBC News and the ONE show.
I wondered when I read this here (the first I saw it) if there was something wrong with my monitor as I see it as pale sky blue and golden brown. But that's also the colour I see on the TV and my phone.
(the left hand image on UnclePete's link.)
And it seems I'm right: #7a8cba and #5d4e3b.

So, black, white  ::)

« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2015, 18:54 »
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The blue is so strong to me, there's no way I can see that as white.  They mentioned on the TV that it might be down to the difference in peoples light sensitive cells in the back of the eye.

Hobostocker

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2015, 02:11 »
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guys, it's white/gold ... however, if you check with PS there's always some blue on it and actually the white is made of shades of grey and light blue but this because the dress is in the shadow, not because it's actually made of blue tissue !

and where the black is coming from ?? with PS they're all shades of Gold/Brown, check by yourself...

no idea why so many see it as blue/black ? maybe we should blame these new TFT screens ?

(i'm using a cheap Lenovo laptop for the record, screen set to RGB color profile, Win 8.1)



« Last Edit: February 28, 2015, 02:17 by Hobostocker »

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2015, 03:23 »
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and where the black is coming from ?? with PS they're all shades of Gold/Brown, check by yourself...

THAT is the strangest part. I've checked the image with PS and in fact none of the dress was near the dark or even medium blue, and much less black. But after watching that animated gif I cannot see the white/gold dress anymore, except in a "corrected" version in Sean blog.

To be true from the start I saw the blue/darker brown when I only looked at the bottom section of the dress when scrolling down the screen.

My wife can only see it as blue/black when using the peripheral vision... This is the strangest thing.

It made us seriously wonder about how were we working our images, and what were we sending the agencies in terms of color!

« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2015, 04:13 »
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....and where the black is coming from ?? with PS they're all shades of Gold/Brown, check by yourself...
The original question was what colour is the dress, so while I see some gold/brown colours in the black, that looks like a reflection from the shiny surface.  So the actual material looks black.  Maybe that is part of the problem, some people are looking at the colour of the light refelecting from the surface, rather than guessing what colour the dress is?  I don't see any white, the blue colour is quite strong.

« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2015, 06:37 »
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my wife said it is white and gold, i see blue and gold, shocked, pick color and fill whole screen in photoshop, then my wife said it is blue, relieved.

im sure we dont see, or our brains dont see the same, monitor was the same.

Snow

« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2015, 07:05 »
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KB

« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2015, 12:14 »
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This article was pretty interesting in trying to come up with explanations:
http://www.vox.com/2015/2/27/8119901/explain-color-dress

« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2015, 12:24 »
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I saw this yesterday on CBC and of the three people in the room, two saw blue/black and one white/gold. I thought for sure the white/gold was joking. I couldn't imagine how something so obviously blue/black could be interpreted as white/gold.

I took a screen shot and brought it in untouched to PS and immediately saw the white/gold. It was a very unusual experience. Then when I went back to the news item, I saw it in white/gold there. I couldn't properly reconcile the differences in my mind, even now. The differences were stark. Very interesting and I'll use it as an example next time a client tells me the colour of their sofa is not right in the photo I sell them.

Hobostocker

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2015, 02:54 »
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this shows the sorry situation of modern TFT displays, each one displaying a slightly different gamut (color range), i'm sure if i check the image on 3-4 different phones at least one will look blue/black.




« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2015, 08:25 »
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this shows the sorry situation of modern TFT displays, each one displaying a slightly different gamut (color range), i'm sure if i check the image on 3-4 different phones at least one will look white/gold.

FTFY

ShadySue

« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2015, 09:34 »
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Not that I really care, and I see the same everywhere I've looked, but it also depends on whether the question is 'what colour do you see?' or 'what colour do you think this dress, really is?'
I thought it was the first. But obviously, if you photograph white in shade without any flash, exposure compensation or pp, it won't show as white.
But in fact, the Beeb did a vox pop showing the image on the same device (but probably in different lighting) to several people, who reported different colours that they were seeing.

« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2015, 10:17 »
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I've 'seen it both ways'. Now that i realize that it is greatly overexposed i tend to see it blue and black.

I think it has more to do with viewing conditions (light background, dark background, light / dark room) the first time you see it. And how often you view crappy cell phone images..

But mostly I think it is just an example of how important our brain is at interpreting the information presented to it by our eyes.

this illusion seems to be alot of what is going on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checker_shadow_illusion

« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2015, 10:47 »
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this shows the sorry situation of modern TFT displays, each one displaying a slightly different gamut (color range), i'm sure if i check the image on 3-4 different phones at least one will look blue/black.
Not at all. I have managed to see the dress both ways on the same monitor and news item. It is quite startling. Read my last post.

« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2015, 13:29 »
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Hobostocker doesn't seem to of noticed that lots of people see the different colours on the same screen, so it doesn't have anything to do with modern TFT displays.

Hobostocker

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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2015, 01:16 »
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Hobostocker doesn't seem to of noticed that lots of people see the different colours on the same screen, so it doesn't have anything to do with modern TFT displays.

welll then they should better check with their optician and yeah i've met a few guys who have troubles dealing with some shades of blue vs purple and also red vs orange, it seems more common than we think.

« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2015, 03:01 »
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lol, dude, it isn't color blindness and it isn't monitor settings. It is human visual interpretation. People who see different things aren't defective.

« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2015, 04:40 »
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roman-Womens-Detail-Bodycon-Dress/dp/B00SJEUCWU#customerReviews

A few of my favourite reviews:

"A dress you can be both married (white+gold) and buried (black+blue) in. Highly recommended."

"I bought this dress for my wife, and she looks beautiful in it. Funny thing, the other day I saw another woman who looked exactly like my wife, kissing another man. But it couldn't have been my wife because that woman was wearing a white-and-gold dress, and the dress I bought my wife is a blue-and-black one. Whew, I was almost worried for a moment there, haha."

"The good: Works equally well as formal or business casual attire.

The bad: Carves a crooked path through perceptual reality and leaves behind it a wake of confusion and existential crises. Also unforgiving on the hips."

"I purchased this white and gold dress and was slightly sad when I received a blue and black dress. However, I know now that I got a great deal because if you stare at it long enough you can clearly see it's a sailboat."


 

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