Author Topic: California is burning! (Read 2112 times)

SimonSays · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2025, 16:44 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 10, 2025, 14:15

Quote from: SimonSays on January 10, 2025, 14:02
So if the people voted in power don't help Ukraine nor the majority of the people living there, who are the people you are talking about then exactly?
About the US Democratic Party and its representatives in positions of power.

I think you misread my question. Who are the people of California supporting your Ukranian case?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 10, 2025, 17:03 »

Quote from: SimonSays on January 10, 2025, 16:44

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 10, 2025, 14:15
Quote from: SimonSays on January 10, 2025, 14:02
So if the people voted in power don't help Ukraine nor the majority of the people living there, who are the people you are talking about then exactly?
About the US Democratic Party and its representatives in positions of power.
I think you misread my question. Who are the people of California supporting your Ukranian case?

Many world famous people whose houses burned down.

I don't like this way of putting the question. I'm not looking for any benefit from support.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #27 on:** January 10, 2025, 18:46 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 10, 2025, 14:37

The USA is a technologically highly developed country. With so many technical achievements and innovations.

What I just don't want to understand are the power lines that still look the same today as they did 100 years ago. If we know - as has been proven by extensive studies - that the main cause of such fires is defective power lines, why on earth are they not buried in these areas? Especially in areas where storms are always raging so violently that the cables snap and their sparking ends set fire to dry bushes or trees.

And why are so many houses built entirely of wood in these areas, which contribute significantly to the immense flying sparks and feed the fires additionally?

Wouldn't it make sense to prevent the fires from taking on such devastating proportions in the first place?

Wilm, you're basically right, of course.

However, it seems that arson is more likely to be involved here. By all accounts, the people responsible have also failed overall.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #28 on:** January 10, 2025, 18:54 »

Video-StockOrg · « **Reply #29 on:** January 11, 2025, 05:38 »

so, which of you is the hero helping the fire to spread because of the drone endangering the safety of firefight planes...

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #30 on:** January 11, 2025, 09:12 »

Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), the targeting software prevents the laser from burning it, in addition to the (blue) material painted on the rooftops being highly reflective material in the same wavelength as the laser light, thus 'reflecting' it.

Might be worth looking into more.

Wilm · « **Reply #31 on:** January 11, 2025, 09:48 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12

Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

What have you been smoking again?

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #32 on:** January 11, 2025, 11:39 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 11, 2025, 09:48

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12
Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

What have you been smoking again?

Nothing. You?

Anyways - its amazing, don't quite understand why - but why some people (as yourself) it seems have 100% absolute faith and trust in "elected" officials - to be looking out for "your" best interest, and seem to believe that 100% of what is presented on the "news", "newspapers" is "100% absolute truth", don't question anything - and just eat it up. You seem to 100% trust "authority" also, that it would "never" be abused, and that "authority figures" would always 100% tell you the truth, and would never, ever lie to YOU.

Additionally, it seems you 100% ONLY trust what is in "the news". And as for "scientists" or ANYONE in academia, you believe they are 100% "honest", would "never" be influenced by "money" to fudge their results, push a product or service if they benefited financially, and that "authority" figures would be absolutely the same.

You have a very narrow belief/model of how you think the world operates.

Why?

Wilm · « **Reply #33 on:** January 11, 2025, 12:20 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 11:39

Quote from: Wilm on January 11, 2025, 09:48
Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12
Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

What have you been smoking again?

Nothing. You?

Anyways - its amazing, don't quite understand why - but why some people (as yourself) it seems have 100% absolute faith and trust in "elected" officials - to be looking out for "your" best interest, and seem to believe that 100% of what is presented on the "news", "newspapers" is "100% absolute truth", don't question anything - and just eat it up. You seem to 100% trust "authority" also, that it would "never" be abused, and that "authority figures" would always 100% tell you the truth, and would never, ever lie to YOU.

Additionally, it seems you 100% ONLY trust what is in "the news". And as for "scientists" or ANYONE in academia, you believe they are 100% "honest", would "never" be influenced by "money" to fudge their results, push a product or service if they benefited financially, and that "authority" figures would be absolutely the same.

You have a very narrow belief/model of how you think the world operates.

Why?

So, someone sets fire to a wooden house with a laser from a satellite at a wind speed of 100 mph in a currently dry area. The next wooden house is 6 yards away - the one with the blue roof. There is also a fairly dry hedge between the houses. Do you seriously believe that the house with the blue roof will be spared, even though the storm is coming directly from the direction of the burning neighboring house?

Before you start talking about science and the media, maybe you should just start with logic and think for yourself about the nonsense you're making up here.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 11, 2025, 13:37 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 11:39

Anyways - its amazing, don't quite understand why - but why some people (as yourself) it seems have 100% absolute faith and trust in "elected" officials - to be looking out for "your" best interest, and seem to believe that 100% of what is presented on the "news", "newspapers" is "100% absolute truth", don't question anything - and just eat it up. You seem to 100% trust "authority" also, that it would "never" be abused, and that "authority figures" would always 100% tell you the truth, and would never, ever lie to YOU.

Additionally, it seems you 100% ONLY trust what is in "the news". And as for "scientists" or ANYONE in academia, you believe they are 100% "honest", would "never" be influenced by "money" to fudge their results, push a product or service if they benefited financially, and that "authority" figures would be absolutely the same.

+100
Yes, I have noticed for a long time that EU citizens blindly believe their leaders and what their press writes. They lack analytical thinking. I write this without specifying any specific person on this forum.
All this has bad consequences for the EU.

Wilm · « **Reply #35 on:** January 11, 2025, 13:46 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 11, 2025, 13:37

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 11:39
Anyways - its amazing, don't quite understand why - but why some people (as yourself) it seems have 100% absolute faith and trust in "elected" officials - to be looking out for "your" best interest, and seem to believe that 100% of what is presented on the "news", "newspapers" is "100% absolute truth", don't question anything - and just eat it up. You seem to 100% trust "authority" also, that it would "never" be abused, and that "authority figures" would always 100% tell you the truth, and would never, ever lie to YOU.

Additionally, it seems you 100% ONLY trust what is in "the news". And as for "scientists" or ANYONE in academia, you believe they are 100% "honest", would "never" be influenced by "money" to fudge their results, push a product or service if they benefited financially, and that "authority" figures would be absolutely the same.
+100
Yes, I have noticed for a long time that EU citizens blindly believe their leaders and what their press writes. They lack analytical thinking. I write this without specifying any specific person on this forum.
All this has bad consequences for the EU.

No, you're right. You didn't name a person.
It's EU citizens who can't think analytically. 450 million simple-minded people.
It's good that there are clever and analytical people like you two.

But I'll end this here now because I'm very sure that the victims of the LA fires don't deserve such nonsense.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #36 on:** January 11, 2025, 16:39 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 11, 2025, 13:46

No, you're right. You didn't name a person.
It's EU citizens who can't think analytically. 450 million simple-minded people.
It's good that there are clever and analytical people like you two.

But I'll end this here now because I'm very sure that the victims of the LA fires don't deserve such nonsense.

Well. In order to keep citizens dumbed down... A few things they could do would be to:

a) Flouridate the water (fluoride is toxic waste, a neurotoxin, and makes people apathetic), and say it 'prevents cavitities' to help citizens from thinking anything further.
b) Regularly spray the air with chemicals such as barium, another toxin which makes people apathetic, etc. Chemtrails - but call it contrails and make people feel bubbly inside if they can make fun of someone else and say 'ooh! conspiracy theorist!'. Because then not only does it simultaneously close down their critical thinking skills - but they can't see the truth that is right in front of them.
c) Tax the crap out of them, raise prices on goods/services - such that most citizens just 'barely' have enough to survive, and are focused on living day to day - instead of having time to think. Get them to focus on "vacation" time - so they slave for 50 weeks out of the year (or 48) for a few weeks of "sunshine".
d) Make "fast food", "eating out", etc the go to thing, douse it in rape-seed (aka canola) oil, extremely toxic to the body.
e) Make them so tired/depressed/etc - that all they want to do is go home & watch the movies or "news", "movies" which promote gay/trans/crap for caucasians, abortions/etc...

Get them in a cycle where basically they live most of their life stuck in a loop - and by the time they figure out what is really going on, they are too old or senile to really do anything, and if they try and 'warn' the 'younger generation', the 'younger generation' which has also been convinced by media programming that they are "too hip & too cool" to listen to "seniors" reject the advice, and repeat the cycle all over again...

Oh. Wait a sec.

Yeah, that's what they are doing.

And... you've fallen into the same trap.

Try:
a) Drinking non-fluoridated water for about 3-4 weeks (no tap water, get it filtered).
b) Eat fruits/vegetables - ideally organic, that haven't been sprayed/injected/etc with various poisons. Heck, grow your own food if you can.
c) Turn off the t.v. for a month (VERY hard to do - because there are specific patents designed not only to make the programming addictive, but the 'way' the television works with refresh rates/HZ is designed to be addictive).
d) Cut out refined sugar for a couple weeks (no drinking/pastries/pasta/etc).

If you can do that - you might clear out some of your brain fog.

As it is though - sounds like you will continue to believe what "your masters" tell you on the t.v., that is - until you realize they are not "your master" and you actually are capable of clear, indepedent thought - which "they" are scared of you doing.

Try it seriously though.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #37 on:** January 11, 2025, 16:43 »

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So, someone sets fire to a wooden house with a laser from a satellite at a wind speed of 100 mph in a currently dry area. The next wooden house is 6 yards away - the one with the blue roof. There is also a fairly dry hedge between the houses. Do you seriously believe that the house with the blue roof will be spared, even though the storm is coming directly from the direction of the burning neighboring house?

Before you start talking about science and the media, maybe you should just start with logic and think for yourself about the nonsense you're making up here.

That is 'kind' of it, yes. But arsonists are also used in some cases (cheaper/easier) - but usually that is for "climate change forest fires", when it is the arsonists causing the "climate" to "change".

And actually - yes - there was footage where the "blue roof" house was spared. Apparently has a combination of basically the lasers not targeting blue roofs (a software computer program to recognize that). That was for the maui "fires".

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #38 on:** January 11, 2025, 17:29 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12

Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

Let's take a purely scientific approach to the problem without the media.

In simple terms, lasers are bundled light radiation.

When this light radiation hits material, the photons transfer their energy to the atomic or molecular structure of the material, which in turn leads to heating and penetration of the material. Depending on the material, this results in fire.

These are energetic atomic processes and not a paint box where you can neutralize colors. Teflon, for example, can reduce the effect, but not paint.

Please explain to me on a physical basis why a blue surface should stop this process?

I am curious.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #39 on:** January 11, 2025, 17:52 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 16:43

And actually - yes - there was footage where the "blue roof" house was spared. Apparently has a combination of basically the lasers not targeting blue roofs (a software computer program to recognize that). That was for the maui "fires".

By the way, Here in Germany we are well prepared for laser attacks

Anja02 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 11, 2025, 20:37 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 10, 2025, 14:37

The USA is a technologically highly developed country. With so many technical achievements and innovations.

What I just don't want to understand are the power lines that still look the same today as they did 100 years ago. If we know - as has been proven by extensive studies - that the main cause of such fires is defective power lines, why on earth are they not buried in these areas? Especially in areas where storms are always raging so violently that the cables snap and their sparking ends set fire to dry bushes or trees.

And why are so many houses built entirely of wood in these areas, which contribute significantly to the immense flying sparks and feed the fires additionally?

Wouldn't it make sense to prevent the fires from taking on such devastating proportions in the first place?

Yes. America is one of the most dangerous english speaking countries in the world to live in now. Their governments do not look after its people. There is not enough money in internal revenue to give sufficient infrastructure and protection against their rapidly rising climate problems, because zuckerberg musk and bezos want their massive tax breaks.

Half of its nation has been brainwashed into thinking that national healthcare, education, science, and safety are not important issues, so they go and vote for a president who says drill, baby drill, because they are frightened of immigrants and not having a gun.

Not only are they in danger to themselves, but to the rest of the world. They cannot fight earth, the earth will win. These fires, which are so horrible and sad to look at, and all the horrible climate events that have been getting worse, are not the end. There are a lot more coming as predicted by scientists. So far, scientists have been right. Climate deniers have been wrong. But they won't admit it. When will it stop?

Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. - old native american saying.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #41 on:** January 11, 2025, 21:35 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 11, 2025, 17:29

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12
Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

Let's take a purely scientific approach to the problem without the media.

In simple terms, lasers are bundled light radiation.

When this light radiation hits material, the photons transfer their energy to the atomic or molecular structure of the material, which in turn leads to heating and penetration of the material. Depending on the material, this results in fire.

These are energetic atomic processes and not a paint box where you can neutralize colors. Teflon, for example, can reduce the effect, but not paint.

Please explain to me on a physical basis why a blue surface should stop this process?

I am curious.

Hi,

I've edited my original post slightly. From what I came across, I believe it was the following:

a) Educated guess that the targeting software was avoiding 'blue' colored items (i.e., 'blue' colored rooftops), similar to what is used in military when laser targeting things to 'blow up'.

b) But, also from what I read, if I recall correctly, the blue (paint) color did also have the added bonus of also 'reflecting' the laser light, in the following way.

When you "see" color (i.e., let's say blue), that is because the material is "reflecting" the color blue, while absorbing the other wavelengths. (The material is not actually "blue", the material is "absent" of blue because that is what is being reflected. The other colors in the light spectrum are being absorbed by the material).

That is why "black" material tends to get hot quickly - because it is absorbing "all" the color/light - so none is reflected (and is the 'absence' of color being reflected), while "white" tends to be "cool" - simply because it is "reflecting" all the colors.

So when a blue laser light shot is shot down from the grid array (i.e., like elon musks "starlink") - it 'burns' everthing except the material that was painted in the highly reflective identical blue color as the laser light.

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #42 on:** January 11, 2025, 21:55 »

Quote from: Anja02 on January 11, 2025, 20:37

Quote from: Wilm on January 10, 2025, 14:37
The USA is a technologically highly developed country. With so many technical achievements and innovations.

What I just don't want to understand are the power lines that still look the same today as they did 100 years ago. If we know - as has been proven by extensive studies - that the main cause of such fires is defective power lines, why on earth are they not buried in these areas? Especially in areas where storms are always raging so violently that the cables snap and their sparking ends set fire to dry bushes or trees.

And why are so many houses built entirely of wood in these areas, which contribute significantly to the immense flying sparks and feed the fires additionally?

Wouldn't it make sense to prevent the fires from taking on such devastating proportions in the first place?

Yes. America is one of the most dangerous english speaking countries in the world to live in now. Their governments do not look after its people. There is not enough money in internal revenue to give sufficient infrastructure and protection against their rapidly rising climate problems, because zuckerberg musk and bezos want their massive tax breaks.

Half of its nation has been brainwashed into thinking that national healthcare, education, science, and safety are not important issues, so they go and vote for a president who says drill, baby drill, because they are frightened of immigrants and not having a gun.

Not only are they in danger to themselves, but to the rest of the world. They cannot fight earth, the earth will win. These fires, which are so horrible and sad to look at, and all the horrible climate events that have been getting worse, are not the end. There are a lot more coming as predicted by scientists. So far, scientists have been right. Climate deniers have been wrong. But they won't admit it. When will it stop?

Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. - old native american saying.

a) "Climate problems", aka "climate change" is a narrative designed to manipulate people into austerity. "Climate change" for the most part is manufactured via (i) regular chemtrail spraying, (ii) haarp (resonance frequency 'cloud' dispersal), (iii) "wind turbines" which "blow" the desired weather patterns into various regions.
The military (not 'just' the us, but worldwide) tends to be used as a tool to do that. Lol - "climate deniers" is a term invented the last couple years to basically try and avoid thinking - aka - "if you don't agree with me, YOU ARE A CLIMATE DENIER!!!". No. That is a manipulation tactic, and a weak one at that. "Climate change" for the most part is manufactured, "created".

b) Plenty of $$ in 'internal revenue', and easy to 'tax' people via money printing, threat of coercion unless 'income tax' is paid, etc. Most countries have slaves, and the slaves don't even know they are slaves. Tell-a-vision has conditioned them to believe they need to have a ball & chain to be a 'slave' - when if you stop and think about it - if you are "giving" 6 months of your income to random individuals - in essence - for 6 months of the year you work for free. For the rest of the 6 months of income you collect, you have to figure out how to feed yourself, house yourself, & if you are lucky - you have a little bit left over for "entertainment". You aren't "supposed" to work 52 weeks out of the year - you've been conditioned from birth, however, to believe that is the case.

c) "National health care" is actually very, very bad - if you are referring specifically to allopathic (i.e., 'whitecoat') doctors. Through conditioned (tell a vision, schooling, etc) - people are led to 'believe' they are good - when in fact, they are very very bad. Many doctors just "follow orders" & "prescribe medication" - which is very, very bad. The allopathic/rockefeller medical "industry" is a FOR PROFIT industry. There is no money in healthy patients (plus, "they" don't really want healthy individuals that can fight back) - there is money in sick patients that regularly need treatment. The allopathic medicine is designed to HIDE SYMPTOMS - NOT CURE. Naturapathic (among other non-allopathic medicines) medicine (which they attack visciously) - is designed to heal & cure.

d) "Edjookatchun" is designed to teach people to (i) obey authority without question, (ii) try to break their willpower & just follow orders, (iii) keep them dumbed down to about a grade 3 level (reading/math/etc). You have "university graduates" who can't add two numbers in their head, and need to use a calculator to figure out how to give exact change. Public education would be better described as public dumbing down.

e) "Science" - or rather most "scientists" get $$$ based on how many papers they publish, and many times are 'sponsored' by "drug companies" etc to promote a certain narrative, so fudge results. "Peer review" does not actually tend to be what one would think "peer review" means. (I was in academia, among other things).

f) "They" - assuming you are speaking about natively born americans - are not "afraid of immigrants" per se. "They", however, don't like certain cultures which have (for the most part) no ethics, are extremely corrupt, and easily manipulated by "money" - aka - they will do ANYTHING for $$$.

g) With respect to "g3ns" lol - em, have you even "visited" the us recently? How many places are set up (in metropolitan areas) - there are "security officers" everywhere, "for your safety", you really can't enter ANY popular venue with one (i.e., concerts, stadiums, etc) "for your safety", you need "permission" (if you are law abiding) to get one, etc, etc - so in essence - it is a little bit of an illusion if one believes they can "own" one - simply because they can't really take it anywhere with them (unless they are say at a range in a forest) - and need to get a lot of "permission". Of course - "criminals" don't care - but they never cared - and that is true pretty much for any country.

h) Out of curiosity, how does one "fight earth"? Also, who "loaned" earth - I never recall any bank notice about an "earth loan".

Anja02 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 12, 2025, 07:13 »

Shoo. Go away. I don’t like crazies.

Wilm · « **Reply #44 on:** January 12, 2025, 10:56 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 11, 2025, 17:29

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12
Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

Let's take a purely scientific approach to the problem without the media.

In simple terms, lasers are bundled light radiation.

When this light radiation hits material, the photons transfer their energy to the atomic or molecular structure of the material, which in turn leads to heating and penetration of the material. Depending on the material, this results in fire.

These are energetic atomic processes and not a paint box where you can neutralize colors. Teflon, for example, can reduce the effect, but not paint.

Please explain to me on a physical basis why a blue surface should stop this process?

I am curious.

From a purely scientific point of view, there is another question.

The solar panels on satellites are capable of supplying up to 13 kW of energy.
A laser weapon for drone defense requires 30 kW, modern systems are 300 to 500 kW to shoot down even larger flying objects at a distance of 1 to 7 miles. The Iron Beam is also designed for distances of up to 6/7 miles.
The powerful weapon systems are the size and weight of sea containers, while a Starlink satellite weighs between 300 and 800 kg and is much smaller.

Starlink satellites fly at an altitude of 350 miles. That would be the minimum distance the satellite would be from a house on Earth if it were at the zenith above it. And that's only for a second. Because the satellite flies at a speed of 17,000 mph.

What our "scientist" writes may be conceivable in a few years' time - whether it is financially viable is another matter. Because such a system and every launch with it costs immense sums of money. This would first have to be amortized by the supposed land gain.

Currently, his thesis comes from sci-fi movies, of which he watches too many...

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #45 on:** January 12, 2025, 11:37 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 12, 2025, 10:56

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 11, 2025, 17:29
Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12
Apparently, there are things called "DEWs" ("directed energy weapons"), essentially "starlink" (or things like it), etc are weaponized to laser heat houses and burn them down. Apparently the same thing that happened in Hawaii. Purpose is for "land re-allocation" (i.e., kicking residents off their land), so some specific "rich" people can purchase the land cheap. Also - apparently if one has a blue house top (i.e., painted blue), that prevents the laser from burning it because the wavelength of the laser doesn't heat a specific blue wavelength.

Might be worth looking into more.

Let's take a purely scientific approach to the problem without the media.

In simple terms, lasers are bundled light radiation.

When this light radiation hits material, the photons transfer their energy to the atomic or molecular structure of the material, which in turn leads to heating and penetration of the material. Depending on the material, this results in fire.

These are energetic atomic processes and not a paint box where you can neutralize colors. Teflon, for example, can reduce the effect, but not paint.

Please explain to me on a physical basis why a blue surface should stop this process?

I am curious.

From a purely scientific point of view, there is another question.

The solar panels on satellites are capable of supplying up to 13 kW of energy.
A laser weapon for drone defense requires 30 kW, modern systems are 300 to 500 kW to shoot down even larger flying objects at a distance of 1 to 7 miles. The Iron Beam is also designed for distances of up to 6/7 miles.
The powerful weapon systems are the size and weight of sea containers, while a Starlink satellite weighs between 300 and 800 kg and is much smaller.

Starlink satellites fly at an altitude of 350 miles. That would be the minimum distance the satellite would be from a house on Earth if it were at the zenith above it. And that's only for a second. Because the satellite flies at a speed of 17,000 mph.

What our "scientist" writes may be conceivable in a few years' time - whether it is financially viable is another matter. Because such a system and every launch with it costs immense sums of money. This would first have to be amortized by the supposed land gain.

Currently, his thesis comes from sci-fi movies, of which he watches too many...

I didn't want to make it too complicated

We could list pages and pages of plausible counterarguments here, but that won't help.

For one thing, our friend has shown that he has no idea about physics and confuses high-energy laser systems with laser pointers.

Also, something has happened again that was typically to be expected. If you penetrate their world view with arguments, their arguments are simply changed and adapted.

And yes, to light houses from space, you probably need lasers in the peta-watt range. There is actually a laser that can do that. It is located underground in Passau and is over 3 km long.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 12, 2025, 12:18 »

As a joke. Now in the US there is a version spreading that it was a UFO that set Los Angeles on fire, and they even show a flying saucer.
If there really was arson, I think it was either the Russians or the Democrats. The Democratic Party is doing a lot of drastic things right now to make Trump's presidency a failure and to disrupt his plans.

But either way, California is not ready for fires, and those responsible need to be put in the electric chair.

Wilm · « **Reply #47 on:** January 12, 2025, 12:25 »

For those who are interested:

The one photo of the laser beam that is said to have triggered the fires on Maui was taken by SpaceEx in California back in 2018 and is a 20-second long exposure of a rocket launch.

The second photo of the laser beam that is said to have started the fires on Maui was taken back in 2018 and shows the fire at an oil refinery in Ohio.

The footage reported by our "expert" was shot in Paradise, California, in 2018.

There was a house in Lahaina that survived the fire unscathed. It has a red roof.

The house with the blue roof he writes about is not on Maui, but on Molokai.

I offer our star analyst: I'll leave the TV off. And you go to the doctor.

Wilm · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2025, 12:37 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 12, 2025, 12:18

If there really was arson, I think it was either the Russians or the Democrats.

And here is our second candidate for the doctor!

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #49 on:** January 12, 2025, 22:33 »

Let's just all make stuff up shall we...

So the fires were started by Trump and the Republican Party. They went for one week into January as they knew the fires would most likely be out two weeks later when Trump takes power, at which point LA would be at its lowest point... and from there the only way is up. End of Biden's presidency... LA in ruins. Beginning, middle and end of Trumps presidency... assistance, rebuilding, drop in unemployment in all fields of construction, massive improvements to fire preparedness across the board, a flourishing LA etc etc (which would have been almost exactly the same no matter who the president was, but hey... he'll sure as hell take credit for it all!).

...there, my nonsense makes just as much sense as your nonsense! So does that mean we should send Trump to the electric chair? Sorry, I'm not 100% clear on the rules you've established in your fantasy world.

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