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In September 1649, Cromwell's 12,000-strong forces stormed Drogheda, north of Dublin.HIs troops massacred nearly everyone in the garrison and the town - which Cromwell justified as the "righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches".A month later Wexford suffered the same fate and both incidents, justified by the British as militarily necessary to subdue the population, still figure strongly in Irish republican history.
Here's a statue of Oliver Cromwell in front of the Houses of Parliament in London. To many English he's considered a hero. To the Irish he's a war criminalQuoteIn September 1649, Cromwell's 12,000-strong forces stormed Drogheda, north of Dublin.HIs troops massacred nearly everyone in the garrison and the town - which Cromwell justified as the "righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches".A month later Wexford suffered the same fate and both incidents, justified by the British as militarily necessary to subdue the population, still figure strongly in Irish republican history.Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/326121.stm
Why not? Replace them all with statues of heroic black women, I say.
The Irish removed British statues. They dealt with Nelson's Pillar in Dublin when the politicians did nothing about it
Interesting article on the (left-wing) Guardian today about Nelson's column. Apparently, he was a white supremacist. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/22/toppling-statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery
It's always fun to be reminded of how alike the United States and England are when it comes to racism. Reading the comments to the Guardian article is just like reading comments from people here in the USA, albeit with slightly different spelling.
Are you going to keep Googling up other statue controversies and posting them rather than discussing the issue in any substantive way? I mean there's Churchill, or if you want to stick to the US there's Roosevelt too. None of these people have monuments thrown up to them to celebrate their views on race or their willingness to kill for those views.
"Its History we cant & shouldnt re-write it we learn from it. Removing statues would make us no different to terrorists at Palmyra."
The southern USA attempted to break away and form their own country to retain slavery, and were defeated. The statues in question depict the losers of that war, traitors to the country they are still part of. In addition, they're cheapo statues mass-produced and hastily erected during periods of black uprising in the USA to remind black people that they live in a place that would still be enslaving them if it were only legal (instead, we incarcerate them in huge numbers, keeping them from influencing elections too much). These are not glorious works of art...they're racist crapola that crumbles to nothing with the yank of a piece of tape.
Quote from: Shelma1 on August 22, 2017, 06:22The southern USA attempted to break away and form their own country to retain slavery, and were defeated. The statues in question depict the losers of that war, traitors to the country they are still part of. In addition, they're cheapo statues mass-produced and hastily erected during periods of black uprising in the USA to remind black people that they live in a place that would still be enslaving them if it were only legal (instead, we incarcerate them in huge numbers, keeping them from influencing elections too much). These are not glorious works of art...they're racist crapola that crumbles to nothing with the yank of a piece of tape.You mean, democrats?
Quote from: Dumc on August 22, 2017, 14:09Quote from: Shelma1 on August 22, 2017, 06:22The southern USA attempted to break away and form their own country to retain slavery, and were defeated. The statues in question depict the losers of that war, traitors to the country they are still part of. In addition, they're cheapo statues mass-produced and hastily erected during periods of black uprising in the USA to remind black people that they live in a place that would still be enslaving them if it were only legal (instead, we incarcerate them in huge numbers, keeping them from influencing elections too much). These are not glorious works of art...they're racist crapola that crumbles to nothing with the yank of a piece of tape.You mean, democrats?Yes the racist Southern Democrats who were against school integration, didn't what colored voters, and didn't want integration. Those lovely Democrats who now claim to be on the side of minorities, promising welfare and free support for votes. Great fakers. ps Lincoln was a Republican
Quote from: YadaYadaYada on August 22, 2017, 14:50Quote from: Dumc on August 22, 2017, 14:09Quote from: Shelma1 on August 22, 2017, 06:22The southern USA attempted to break away and form their own country to retain slavery, and were defeated. The statues in question depict the losers of that war, traitors to the country they are still part of. In addition, they're cheapo statues mass-produced and hastily erected during periods of black uprising in the USA to remind black people that they live in a place that would still be enslaving them if it were only legal (instead, we incarcerate them in huge numbers, keeping them from influencing elections too much). These are not glorious works of art...they're racist crapola that crumbles to nothing with the yank of a piece of tape.You mean, democrats?Yes the racist Southern Democrats who were against school integration, didn't what colored voters, and didn't want integration. Those lovely Democrats who now claim to be on the side of minorities, promising welfare and free support for votes. Great fakers. ps Lincoln was a RepublicanYeah! I hear this a lot of this sophism from racist republicans, who like to forget about the great switch-over that took place some 60 years ago, during Nixon's time (what is known as the "southern strategy"), when the republicans decided to do whatever it takes to attract the southern voters on their side.Back then, the two major parties basically switched positions on the social liberty axis.What matters is who supports and emboldens racism TODAY! And the answer is crystal clear!
Quote from: Zero Talent on August 22, 2017, 15:14Quote from: YadaYadaYada on August 22, 2017, 14:50Quote from: Dumc on August 22, 2017, 14:09Quote from: Shelma1 on August 22, 2017, 06:22The southern USA attempted to break away and form their own country to retain slavery, and were defeated. The statues in question depict the losers of that war, traitors to the country they are still part of. In addition, they're cheapo statues mass-produced and hastily erected during periods of black uprising in the USA to remind black people that they live in a place that would still be enslaving them if it were only legal (instead, we incarcerate them in huge numbers, keeping them from influencing elections too much). These are not glorious works of art...they're racist crapola that crumbles to nothing with the yank of a piece of tape.You mean, democrats?Yes the racist Southern Democrats who were against school integration, didn't what colored voters, and didn't want integration. Those lovely Democrats who now claim to be on the side of minorities, promising welfare and free support for votes. Great fakers. ps Lincoln was a RepublicanYeah! I hear this a lot of this sophism from racist republicans, who like to forget about the great switch-over that took place some 60 years ago, during Nixon's time (what is known as the "southern strategy"), when the republicans decided to do whatever it takes to attract the southern voters on their side.Back then, the two major parties basically switched positions on the social liberty axis.What matters is who supports and emboldens racism TODAY! And the answer is crystal clear!60 years ago would be 1957. Why don't you try your revisionist history with the facts? The southern democrats went well into the decades after that and maybe still now, as despicable racists. Pretending to care isn't the same as actually standing up for diversity and individual rights.The removal of Confederate monuments is an attempt to 'erase parts of our history just in the name of some contemporary political cause.' But you're a sucker for cause instead of thoughtful meaningful wisdom. Old wrongs can't be corrected by over correcting. There's no way to repair slavery, racist hate, or the misdeeds of the past. Remember the Irish were once a shunned and abused minority. The Italians can after that. The blacks are no longer the largest minority in America, the Hispanics are. And believe it or not, the blacks are not happy with this change. Seems like having a cause and being a victim is more important than blending into the existing society.Separate but equal is not a minor concept. It's the way that minority groups, or social pressure groups manipulate issues for more than equal status by handing guilt trips to the rest of us. If we are all equal, we don't need special treatment or extra rights beyond everyone else.
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I said "some" 60 years ago, please don't try to play the accuracy game here, when you know exactly what I'm talking about.For those who don't, here is a summary:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy"In American politics, the southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans. As the Civil Rights Movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South to the Republican Party that had traditionally supported the Democratic Party. It also helped push the Republican Party much more to the right."
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