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Title: Deleting Facebook
Post by: RAW on March 26, 2018, 13:55
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/03/facebook-scraped-call-text-message-data-for-years-from-android-phones/

It too late now but my account has gone.
Are you deleting yours?
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: cathyslife on March 26, 2018, 14:54
Not quite yet, though it’s getting there. I don’t use the stupid app anyway, I mostly surf it thru safari on ipad.

Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Oligo on March 26, 2018, 16:05
No... NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will not delete Facebook!! that is not possible!!!

... since I don't use this piece of Sh.t :D
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: k_t_g on March 26, 2018, 22:17
I always felt they were the dark side.  ;)
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: SuperPhoto on March 27, 2018, 00:03
If you use your phone - everythign is still tracked/etc. Just - now you are giving it to google instead of facebook. So pick your poison...
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Chichikov on March 27, 2018, 00:12
Yesterday I have downloaded my (supposed to be ) whole Facebook profile following the instructions here:

••••
You can download your information from your settings. To download your information:
Click at the top right of any Facebook page and select Settings
Click Download a copy of your Facebook data at the bottom of General Account Settings
Click Start My Archive
••••

Then I have had a big surprise, in my profile appear all my phone contacts, with all their phone numbers, even names of people not being in my phone contacts, but only in my computer, and not being my "friends" on Facebook.

Now I wonder how many other information not appearing in my profile they can have (use, rent, sale…)
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: cobalt on March 27, 2018, 03:02
No.

Facebook is very useful and most of my friends/family are there, plus I can follow newspaper articles or themes I am interested in. And then there are all kinds of useful facebook groups.

The interface is ugly but it has critical mass and I find instagram very boring and twitter is something i use only for politics.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Chichikov on March 27, 2018, 03:17
No.

Facebook is very useful and most of my friends/family are there, plus I can follow newspaper articles or themes I am interested in. And then there are all kinds of useful facebook groups.

The interface is ugly but it has critical mass and I find instagram very boring and twitter is something i use only for politics.

Yes it is useful some time!

There I can keep contact with my friends and my family all over the world, and that is good.
There are also interesting groups; I have found groups about plants, insects and birds where they can identify anything in minutes - very useful really.
This is the attractive part…

But there is a great hidden part, and this is dangerous.
As they say, "if it is free… you are the product"

Also remember the E. Snowden quote:
"Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say."

Yes Facebook can be good, in surface… but beyond?
Also drugs can be good, they make you feel good, happy, stronger… some time……
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 27, 2018, 03:51
I have found groups about plants, insects and birds where they can identify anything in minutes

Do you have the names? It would be very useful for me as well. Thanks!
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Dodie on March 27, 2018, 04:01
If you use your phone - everythign is still tracked/etc. Just - now you are giving it to google instead of facebook. So pick your poison...
I don't mind Google having all my data, they have it anyway with Adsense and all their services I'm using.
Facebook is a real poison, people lost their mind shouting out to the world all their family problems, what they eat, when they sleep......

Last time I wanted to check out a link someone sent me, I couldn't even sign in, I forgot my pass. Then they were asking for a phone number. I gave them the wrong number, how could I remember which number I gave them many years ago. After that, they were asking for a government ID which was the end of our relationship.
Now I can't even see what data they have about me.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 27, 2018, 04:27
Then they were asking for a phone number. I gave them the wrong number, how could I remember which number I gave them many years ago.

How often do you change phone numbers?
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Dodie on March 27, 2018, 08:12
Then they were asking for a phone number. I gave them the wrong number, how could I remember which number I gave them many years ago.

How often do you change phone numbers?
I have 4 phones with 4 numbers, including land line, from different providers. I bought some and I got some for free included in my internet package, but they are all in use. That may be strange for you, apparently but I don't live in a forgotten village.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: increasingdifficulty on March 27, 2018, 08:16
I have 4 phones with 4 numbers, including land line, from different providers. I bought some and I got some for free included in my internet package, but they are all in use. That may be strange for you, apparently.

I was just curious.

I've had the same number since I got my first cell phone in 1998. A Nokia 6150.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Dodie on March 27, 2018, 08:19
I have 4 phones with 4 numbers, including land line, from different providers. I bought some and I got some for free included in my internet package, but they are all in use. That may be strange for you, apparently.

I was just curious.

I've had the same number since I got my first cell phone in 1998. A Nokia 6150.

I have the same number on my main phone (considered by me) since 15 years but I don't give that number to every spammer.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: RAW on March 27, 2018, 08:56
It makes me wonder if Amazon's Echo/Dot/Alexa is listening to everything.
Or am I just paranoid?
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 27, 2018, 09:01
I don't have a cell/smartphone. Difficult to explain to people, but makes my life so much easier. I read emails in the morning, and plan events in advance, old school.

And no, Facebook isn't a bad thing. I don't provide personal info, but if someone wants to, it's their choice. Maybe someone will want to sell them a good steak once they learn what they ate this weekend. Dark side? Nothing wrong with that, I am dark side too. God forbid we end up with only government approved "non-fake" news.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 27, 2018, 09:07
It makes me wonder if Amazon's Echo/Dot/Alexa is listening to everything.
Or am I just paranoid?

Maybe you are paranoid. As they say, it doesn't mean they aren't listening.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: cathyslife on March 27, 2018, 09:25
It makes me wonder if Amazon's Echo/Dot/Alexa is listening to everything.
Or am I just paranoid?


You aren’t paranoid, it’s a two way street. Data flows both ways.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Shelma1 on March 27, 2018, 09:58
I'm not sure deleting Facebook will change anything. Everything you do is tracked by marketers and has been for many decades, way before the internet. In the olden days every magazine or newspaper subscription you bought was entered into a database that was rented to zillions of marketers...that's why you got junk mail. Your credit card purchases are aggregated and sold. TV show ratings were calculated by Nielsen convincing some viewers to have a box installed on their TV that tracked all the shows they watched...starting in 1950. Every advertising brief includes demographic and psychographic audience information gathered from research companies.

Do you think you're not also tracked on Instagram, Twitter, Google, every page you visit? I won't have Alexa in my house because I'm sure someone's listening...that's my assumption after 3 decades in marketing. Of course, they can also listen/watch/track through your phone, tablet and computers (maybe even your microwave, lol). If you have a job in an office and work on a computer your company's IT department has installed software that tracks your every keystroke.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Pauws99 on March 27, 2018, 10:25
I'm not sure deleting Facebook will change anything. Everything you do is tracked by marketers and has been for many decades, way before the internet. In the olden days every magazine or newspaper subscription you bought was entered into a database that was rented to zillions of marketers...that's why you got junk mail. Your credit card purchases are aggregated and sold. TV show ratings were calculated by Nielsen convincing some viewers to have a box installed on their TV that tracked all the shows they watched...starting in 1950. Every advertising brief includes demographic and psychographic audience information gathered from research companies.

Do you think you're not also tracked on Instagram, Twitter, Google, every page you visit? I won't have Alexa in my house because I'm sure someone's listening...that's my assumption after 3 decades in marketing. Of course, they can also listen/watch/track through your phone, tablet and computers (maybe even your microwave, lol). If you have a job in an office and work on a computer your company's IT department has installed software that tracks your every keystroke.
To be honest I'm surprised at the fuss around this as I assumed it was in all probability happening anyway....
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 27, 2018, 10:37
To be honest I'm surprised at the fuss around this as I assumed it was in all probability happening anyway....

politics...Automatic collection of personal data and running them through classificators is so simple, a teenager can do it. On a budget of lunch money. An average person can collect and process hundreds of thousands profiles per day on a laptop without quitting his daytime job.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Dodie on March 27, 2018, 17:39
Yes, it is politics
 https://www.mail.com/int/news/uk/8374908-expert-brexit-campaign-used-data-mined-facebook.html#.2400-stage-set1-1 (https://www.mail.com/int/news/uk/8374908-expert-brexit-campaign-used-data-mined-facebook.html#.2400-stage-set1-1)
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: farbled on March 27, 2018, 20:32
I am busy writing fiction in my free time which involves a lot of online research into germ warfare, nukes, spying, terrorism, zombies, armies, assault, and a host of other things. I find the targeted ads that come up nowadays absolutely hilarious.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 27, 2018, 21:31
This type of activity can attract more than just ads :).
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Sammy the Cat on March 28, 2018, 01:11
I am busy writing fiction in my free time which involves a lot of online research into germ warfare, nukes, spying, terrorism, zombies, armies, assault, and a host of other things. I find the targeted ads that come up nowadays absolutely hilarious.

Guaranteed you'll be on a CIA/NSA/FBI watch list
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: ShadySue on March 28, 2018, 05:55
I am busy writing fiction in my free time which involves a lot of online research into germ warfare, nukes, spying, terrorism, zombies, armies, assault, and a host of other things. I find the targeted ads that come up nowadays absolutely hilarious.

Guaranteed you'll be on a CIA/NSA/FBI watch list

I'm not involved in any of these things, but many years ago someone shared a story to a group I was in saying the CIA monitored everyone's emails. It might or might not have been true, but my first response was, "Whoever's reading mine will die of boredom, and it serves them right!" (Of course I know no-one would sitting there reading through word by word, before anyone points that out.)
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Chichikov on March 28, 2018, 06:33
I am busy writing fiction in my free time which involves a lot of online research into germ warfare, nukes, spying, terrorism, zombies, armies, assault, and a host of other things. I find the targeted ads that come up nowadays absolutely hilarious.

Guaranteed you'll be on a CIA/NSA/FBI watch list

I'm not involved in any of these things, but many years ago someone shared a story to a group I was in saying the CIA monitored everyone's emails. It might or might not have been true, but my first response was, "Whoever's reading mine will die of boredom, and it serves them right!" (Of course I know no-one would sitting there reading through word by word, before anyone points that out.)

Take care, today their big experts, with the help of a very advanced technology, are able to find hidden conspiracy even in the more boring text
:)
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: ShadySue on March 28, 2018, 07:18
I am busy writing fiction in my free time which involves a lot of online research into germ warfare, nukes, spying, terrorism, zombies, armies, assault, and a host of other things. I find the targeted ads that come up nowadays absolutely hilarious.

Guaranteed you'll be on a CIA/NSA/FBI watch list

I'm not involved in any of these things, but many years ago someone shared a story to a group I was in saying the CIA monitored everyone's emails. It might or might not have been true, but my first response was, "Whoever's reading mine will die of boredom, and it serves them right!" (Of course I know no-one would sitting there reading through word by word, before anyone points that out.)

Take care, today their big experts, with the help of a very advanced technology, are able to find hidden conspiracy even in the more boring text
:)

Shades of Marvin the Paranoid Android: "I've got a brain the size of a planet and you make me read HER emails" <switches himself off>.

On a more serious note, last year my then 88 yo mother was sent, via her bank, a tax form for the USA, with a rather nippy note telling her she had to fill it in by a certain date or action would be taken (she's below the UK tax threshold and has never had any direct dealings with the US).
I was pretty sure it was a scam and told her to bin it, but she got into an anxious state, so I went into my local branch to enquire. As they were checking it out, the teller told me in passing that the US Tax authorities have the right to look into anyone's bank account in the UK without much (as it were) 'let or hindrance'. Even though I'm not doing anything illegal, and have filled in the tax recriprocity form with iS/Getty, I was pretty horrified at that. IMO, they should have to have 'reasonable grounds' and be sanctioned by the police over here.
I don't know any more details, as by the time I'd picked my jaw off the floor after that bombshell, the check had completed (it turned out to have been a bank error at HQ), so my business was done and there was a queue, so I couldn't really enquire further.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Shelma1 on March 28, 2018, 08:00
I just read an article about how to download all my Facebook data, and I thought this was creepy, from Facebook:

"Facial Recognition Data   A unique number based on a comparison of the photos you're tagged in. We use this data to help others tag you in photos."
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 28, 2018, 09:01
As they were checking it out, the teller told me in passing that the US Tax authorities have the right to look into anyone's bank account in the UK without much (as it were) 'let or hindrance'.

The consequences of FATCA. I was told in one of my non-US banks in no uncertain terms that if I call them from a US-based phone number, that would be a ground for them to stop me from managing my retirement funds and report me to IRS (an agency of a foreign government). Say what you want about sovereignty. I travel a lot, and thankfully there is VPN.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: ShadySue on March 28, 2018, 09:21
As they were checking it out, the teller told me in passing that the US Tax authorities have the right to look into anyone's bank account in the UK without much (as it were) 'let or hindrance'.

The consequences of FATCA. I was told in one of my non-US banks in no uncertain terms that if I call them from a US-based phone number, that would be a ground for them to stop me from managing my retirement funds and report me to IRS (an agency of a foreign government). Say what you want about sovereignty. I travel a lot, and thankfully there is VPN.
Hmmm, "The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which was passed as part of the HIRE Act, generally requires that foreign financial Institutions and certain other non-financial foreign entities report on the foreign assets held by their U.S. account holders or be subject to withholding on withholdable payments.  The HIRE Act also contained legislation requiring U.S. persons to report, depending on the value, their foreign financial accounts and foreign assets."
I was told the CIA could check on anyone's bank account, not just US subjects.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 28, 2018, 09:26
Then they were asking for a phone number. I gave them the wrong number, how could I remember which number I gave them many years ago.


How often do you change phone numbers?


Lets see, home number since 1972 and office number since before that. Doesn't mean I haven't had 6-10 other short term numbers for fax, modem line, Fidonet, or early cell phones. Just that my last two numbers, now ring on the same cell phone. Untied and I love it.

Many apps will ask if they are allowed to access your data, FB asks when you sign up the first time, if they can look at your contacts. This is not a secret, people clicked yes. (I did too) Now you go to some other app and it says can we use your FB account to login. ZING... all your FB data, at the least, contacts, location, personal data, is copied by them. It's a snowball.

I don't use FB much, don't care to have "friends" who send me political messages, or harp about their latest cause or complaint. Some days I might go look, delete all the game requests (no I don't want to play slots or give people boosts for Candy Crush) However I will post maybe once a month, something like "hey it was Bernie's Birthday" and a photo of the cake. Or maybe a bluured, crappy photo from an event or concert.

Now that someone mentioned special interest groups, maybe there is some actual use I'd be interested in. Other than that, no I don't tweet, don't facebook, don't myspace (remember them?) or pinterest. I have accounts that park my name, that's about the extent of that. If I have an account, it has a link to my home page. Oh yes I have a Youtube account, I'm equally as active, maybe post something  three or four times a year.  ;D
 
Anyway, the reason FB has your data, for those concerned, is you gave them permission to have your data. They didn't sneak or steal it off your devise.  Although already mentioned, you can see what they have: https://www.facebook.com/help/405183566203254/ (https://www.facebook.com/help/405183566203254/)

Hey remember that cool free app you downloaded that says "we need to access your data"? Well they are tracking you and anything they can mine off your phone.

If FB and the data scares you, don't click this link to an ABC news story, you might want to leave your cell phone and go back to wired. LOL  http://abcnews.go.com/US/apps-secretly-spy-cellphone/story?id=34950812 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/apps-secretly-spy-cellphone/story?id=34950812)

I just read an article about how to download all my Facebook data, and I thought this was creepy, from Facebook:

"Facial Recognition Data   A unique number based on a comparison of the photos you're tagged in. We use this data to help others tag you in photos."


Yes that is and many more ways we are tracked.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 28, 2018, 09:31

Hmmm, "The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which was passed as part of the HIRE Act, generally requires that foreign financial Institutions and certain other non-financial foreign entities report on the foreign assets held by their U.S. account holders or be subject to withholding on withholdable payments.  The HIRE Act also contained legislation requiring U.S. persons to report, depending on the value, their foreign financial accounts and foreign assets."
I was told the CIA could check on anyone's bank account, not just US subjects.

I don't know about CIA (which is very possible, but I can't comment), but they don't have to know that you are a US account holder, they just have to suspect that. By the way, a "US account holder" is anyone who lived in the US for 123 days each year in the last 3 years. Which pretty much applies to any Canadian "snowbird". Because that makes that person a US resident for tax purposes. So those aren't some sneaky US citizens, just anyone who stayed in the US a little too long to be considered a tourist.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Zero Talent on March 28, 2018, 10:08

Hmmm, "The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which was passed as part of the HIRE Act, generally requires that foreign financial Institutions and certain other non-financial foreign entities report on the foreign assets held by their U.S. account holders or be subject to withholding on withholdable payments.  The HIRE Act also contained legislation requiring U.S. persons to report, depending on the value, their foreign financial accounts and foreign assets."
I was told the CIA could check on anyone's bank account, not just US subjects.

I don't know about CIA (which is very possible, but I can't comment), but they don't have to know that you are a US account holder, they just have to suspect that. By the way, a "US account holder" is anyone who lived in the US for 123 days each year in the last 3 years. Which pretty much applies to any Canadian "snowbird". Because that makes that person a US resident for tax purposes. So those aren't some sneaky US citizens, just anyone who stayed in the US a little too long to be considered a tourist.

Indeed!

It is ironic to see all this outrage for something all FB users have agreed with (more or less), when they decided to enjoy a free service offered by a private company, but there is no outrage when MOST governments are doing exactly that and much more (e.g. coercion and liberty deprivation) without any explicit consent or contract.

We are OK when the biggest monopoly in each country is abusing our privacy (even by using explicit threats), but we are "very outraged", when a private company is doing something similar at a much smaller scale and with something we had no problem sharing, to start with.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Uncle Pete on March 28, 2018, 10:15

Hmmm, "The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which was passed as part of the HIRE Act, generally requires that foreign financial Institutions and certain other non-financial foreign entities report on the foreign assets held by their U.S. account holders or be subject to withholding on withholdable payments.  The HIRE Act also contained legislation requiring U.S. persons to report, depending on the value, their foreign financial accounts and foreign assets."
I was told the CIA could check on anyone's bank account, not just US subjects.

I don't know about CIA (which is very possible, but I can't comment), but they don't have to know that you are a US account holder, they just have to suspect that. By the way, a "US account holder" is anyone who lived in the US for 123 days each year in the last 3 years. Which pretty much applies to any Canadian "snowbird". Because that makes that person a US resident for tax purposes. So those aren't some sneaky US citizens, just anyone who stayed in the US a little too long to be considered a tourist.

And it would likely be the NSA not CIA who monitors emails. SIGINT is signals intelligence, TEMPEST spys on computers/information systems or other unintentional data, and  HUMINT is Human Intelligence, spys Etc.,  OSINT is Open SOurce Intelligence, Internet, Facebook  ;) , publicly available sources = Not Covert.

CIA - is charged with international (outside the US) threats to the US. They are exceptional good at HUMINT

NSA - is charged with international threats but they are exceptional good at SIGINT & TEMPEST

FBI - is charged with domestic (inside the US) threats to the US. They are exceptional good at HUMINT and OSINT

Source: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-CIA-NSA-FBI-and-Homeland-security (https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-CIA-NSA-FBI-and-Homeland-security)

The link lists many more but the main three that could be interested in emails or phone listening, in general, are above. That also depends on where you live. But SIGINT would be emails, radio, cell phones, and any kind of signals.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: farbled on March 28, 2018, 10:18
I am busy writing fiction in my free time which involves a lot of online research into germ warfare, nukes, spying, terrorism, zombies, armies, assault, and a host of other things. I find the targeted ads that come up nowadays absolutely hilarious.

Guaranteed you'll be on a CIA/NSA/FBI watch list
Well then I wont have to shell out as much for a home alarm system. :) As a Canadian, I would have to worry more about CSIS (our equivalent) who routinely come under fire for botching pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: jodijacobson on March 28, 2018, 13:31
I always told parents signing a model release was safer than putting their kids on facebook when they didn't want to sign a release or have their kids picture on the Getty website! I always said FB info is easy to get. You put your kids picture up on FB to brag then you post when you are going on vacation, where you are eating, when you are taking a .....you get it..doesn't make sense to me.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 29, 2018, 08:33
As a Canadian, I would have to worry more about CSIS (our equivalent)

Those could be very dangerous people. Particularly when cornered.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: farbled on March 29, 2018, 10:20
As a Canadian, I would have to worry more about CSIS (our equivalent)

Those could be very dangerous people. Particularly when cornered.
CSIS is our version of the CIA. To corner one, dress like you're still in the 1970's and offer free doughnuts to them. Then change all the "push" signs on the door to "pull" once they are inside.

(said with good humour just in case ;) )

Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on March 30, 2018, 09:34

Indeed!

It is ironic to see all this outrage for something all FB users have agreed with (more or less), when they decided to enjoy a free service offered by a private company, but there is no outrage when MOST governments are doing exactly that and much more (e.g. coercion and liberty deprivation) without any explicit consent or contract.

We are OK when the biggest monopoly in each country is abusing our privacy (even by using explicit threats), but we are "very outraged", when a private company is doing something similar at a much smaller scale and with something we had no problem sharing, to start with.

This is how the brain evolved. An immediate danger (even if only perceived or very small objectively) seems more impactful than something that is continuous and becomes part of life.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: RAW on April 19, 2018, 08:28
Facebook lobying to resist privacy rules:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/17/facebook-conservatives-privacy-rules-489242 (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/17/facebook-conservatives-privacy-rules-489242)

Showing their true colors.
Anyone still have a Facebook account? Why?
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: niktol on April 19, 2018, 09:25
Sure, new rules that will bite us in the ass because we didn't read the fine print.

“data protection officer.” Sure, the best thing in the world. They will look out for our interests, not the interests of people who hired them.

"Having computers make important life decisions, like whether you can get insurance or how quickly a doctor should treat your illness, is not always a good idea..." Definitely. Decisions made by hacks are so much better.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 19, 2018, 14:00
Just got a new one from Yahoo and also Roku and it's been at least a week now and FB has not sent me "my history" as promised. They said I will get an email when it's ready.

Here's what came from Yahoo. Doesn't leave much room. I mean I can get email or drop my account that's from the 90s? I think we'll see more of this.


New Privacy and Terms

Yahoo is now part of Oath, the media and tech company behind today’s top news, sports and entertainment sites and apps.

By choosing “I accept” below, you agree to Oath’s new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Below is a summary of some of the key updates. To learn more about our approach to privacy, click here.
How we collect and use data.

    We’ve updated some of the ways we collect and analyze user data in order to deliver services, content, relevant advertising and abuse protection.
    This includes: analyzing content and information when you use our services (including emails, instant messages, posts, photos, attachments, and other communications), linking your activity on other sites and apps with information we have about you, and providing anonymized and/or aggregated reports to other parties regarding user trends.

Sharing Data with Verizon.

    Oath and its affiliates may share the information we receive with Verizon. Learn more about Verizon’s privacy practices.


I think that means they can read and monitor everything, use it for advertising and user trends.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Microstockphoto on April 19, 2018, 14:56
europe will have their house in order come may when their new privacy laws come into effect. europeans will have a lot more protection and they will have a say on what happens with their personal data. zuckerberg has already announced that they will move all non european users from the t&cs at their hq in ireland to their office in the us. and so does linkedin and other platforms. lol. such hypocrite zuckerberg,. heres a chance to redeem yourself for your cockup with cambridge analytics and then you actually do the oposite of what you promised at the Senate Judiciary and Commerce Committee hearing . he wont be sole boss for long. too much power, and now he crossed a line
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Zero Talent on April 19, 2018, 17:45
Just got a new one from Yahoo and also Roku and it's been at least a week now and FB has not sent me "my history" as promised. They said I will get an email when it's ready.

Here's what came from Yahoo. Doesn't leave much room. I mean I can get email or drop my account that's from the 90s? I think we'll see more of this.


New Privacy and Terms

Yahoo is now part of Oath, the media and tech company behind today’s top news, sports and entertainment sites and apps.

By choosing “I accept” below, you agree to Oath’s new Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. Below is a summary of some of the key updates. To learn more about our approach to privacy, click here.
How we collect and use data.

    We’ve updated some of the ways we collect and analyze user data in order to deliver services, content, relevant advertising and abuse protection.
    This includes: analyzing content and information when you use our services (including emails, instant messages, posts, photos, attachments, and other communications), linking your activity on other sites and apps with information we have about you, and providing anonymized and/or aggregated reports to other parties regarding user trends.

Sharing Data with Verizon.

    Oath and its affiliates may share the information we receive with Verizon. Learn more about Verizon’s privacy practices.


I think that means they can read and monitor everything, use it for advertising and user trends.

Got a similar message from Strava announcing that:

We’ll soon be asking for your consent to collect and process certain data.

So it is up to all of us to decide if we still want free services from internet companies.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Uncle Pete on April 20, 2018, 11:11
Just got a new one from Yahoo and also Roku and it's been at least a week now and FB has not sent me "my history" as promised. They said I will get an email when it's ready.

Here's what came from Yahoo. Doesn't leave much room. I mean I can get email or drop my account that's from the 90s? I think we'll see more of this.


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How we collect and use data.

    We’ve updated some of the ways we collect and analyze user data in order to deliver services, content, relevant advertising and abuse protection.
    This includes: analyzing content and information when you use our services (including emails, instant messages, posts, photos, attachments, and other communications), linking your activity on other sites and apps with information we have about you, and providing anonymized and/or aggregated reports to other parties regarding user trends.

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I think that means they can read and monitor everything, use it for advertising and user trends.

Got a similar message from Strava announcing that:

We’ll soon be asking for your consent to collect and process certain data.

So it is up to all of us to decide if we still want free services from internet companies.

Exactly!

Anything "free" comes with some conditions. I especially liked the AT&T / Yahoo notice with basically tells us what they have been doing all this time. And if the message got lost, almost all free email from Internet providers, cable or local service is actually managed by Yahoo Mail. Gmail is not of course. I have my own hosting and they are independent but do I want to change to my website name and try to drag along the business email which is on Gmail or my various personal account that are on Prodigy, or just give in and say, fine, monitor and watch me?

The good is that people are now aware of how much we are being observed and documented for marketing and other uses.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Wishing well on April 20, 2018, 17:17
Facebook lost around 2.8 million U.S. users under 25 last year... No wonder their stock crashed. 
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: spacedrone808 on April 23, 2018, 04:17
I am not using any social network for about 2 years. Waste of time and energy.
Showing your pseudo ego to fake friends? Nah, i'll better study something.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: rinderart on May 30, 2018, 10:55
Was with FB since the beginning. I had 3 accounts. I had a total of 12,012 "friends" 11,950 of them I never heard of, then they started to use My Page to sell there stuff. I said thats enough and shut it down. All of it. Instagram, Twitter...all of it and feel like a new person. best thing I ever did. my "Friends" have my email address. Thats all I need.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Microstock Posts on May 30, 2018, 16:07
I had a total of 12,012 "friends" 11,950 of them I never heard of, then they started to use My Page to sell there stuff. I said thats enough and shut it down.

It's pretty simple to just change the setting to "Disable posts by other people on the Page". They can still comment on your posts, but they can't create their own posts.

It solved the problem for me.
Title: Re: Deleting Facebook
Post by: Zero Talent on May 30, 2018, 19:40
Was with FB since the beginning. I had 3 accounts. I had a total of 12,012 "friends" 11,950 of them I never heard of, then they started to use My Page to sell there stuff. I said thats enough and shut it down. All of it. Instagram, Twitter...all of it and feel like a new person. best thing I ever did. my "Friends" have my email address. Thats all I need.

No.
Your need more.
You need a constant adulation from perfect strangers. You need praise. You need flattery.
That's why you badly need forums likes, not just email addresses.