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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2024, 11:44 »
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RalfLiebhold: RE-READ my post. You obviously you didn't read it correctly, completely, or both - because infortunately, you are very misinformed. Any "deaths" were either because of the "treatment" for the fake virus (i.e., incubation), 'co-morbidities' (i.e., recording something else totally unrelated as a "convid" death), etc, etc.

There was no treatment at the time described. Artificial respiration is also not a treatment, but prevents suffocation when the lungs are damaged.

it's useless - he spams every topic with asinine conspiracy theories and just repeats them if you dont agree - this combined with a lack even the most basic logical thinking, facts, evidence or sources makes it impossible to have any adult discussion

he fails to understand even the most basic facts that boosters are needed to deal with new variants, just like the annual flu vaccines.  i'm traveling now but will get my 5th  round of shots when i return home

unfortunately many many thousands have died because they believed the dreck like he spews


« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2024, 17:24 »
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Wilm, conspiracy theorists usually have a narcissistic personality disorder and feel they belong to a superior elitist group by spreading the only truth.
Somehow it boosts their self-confidence.
You can also see this in their choice of words, which doesn't allow any contradiction or discussion.
It's more of a psycho thing, so discussions are completely pointless.

Haha RalfLiebhold,

You are a funny guy. :)

a) So... by your statement, would that make you an elitist, because you feel your subjective viewpoint is absolute, and anyone who disagrees with you is therefore a 'conspiracy theorist'? Isn't your statement, rather narcissistic?
b) You should learn the difference between a 'conspiracy' and a 'conspiracy theory'. Look it up.
c) Seems you are actually the one closed to discussion. You've never actually addressed any points I've mentioned - rather - part of the magic spell it seems you are under is to simply start name calling (i.e., "anti-vaxxer", "conspiracy theorist", "pyscho", etc etc) - and by childish name calling - you seem to feel absolved of actually having to do any thinking or addressing any point...

It's actually pretty funny in a way. It's also sad that you are that closed minded and need to resort to petty name calling.

At any point in time, feel free to indicate (a) what your beliefs are, and (b) how you arrived at them. Chances are - the answer would be (a) whatever was on television, (b) and whatever your doctor told you, if they told you anything at all. Did you actually read anything, consider anything, do any critical thinking? If you got injected multiple times, well, then the answer is pretty obvious. I'm just hoping perhaps right now you will do some reading... but - it's really fascinating how stuck you are in your belief system. You need to get past your ego.


« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2024, 17:31 »
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it's useless - he spams every topic with asinine conspiracy theories and just repeats them if you dont agree - this combined with a lack even the most basic logical thinking, facts, evidence or sources makes it impossible to have any adult discussion

he fails to understand even the most basic facts that boosters are needed to deal with new variants, just like the annual flu vaccines.  i'm traveling now but will get my 5th  round of shots when i return home

unfortunately many many thousands have died because they believed the dreck like he spews

Cascoly - same for you - why do you resort to name calling instead of explaining how you came to your conclusions? DId you do... any reading? Any critical thinking? By your statements - I'm assuming sadly you were like many, dutifully put on "your" mask because you didn't want to be inconvenienced/wanted instant gratification to shop in stores/travel/etc, absolved yourself of any responsibility by letting an unnamed 'authority figure' decide for you what to stick in your body... did you even question what was being injected when you got it - or just 'assumed' the doctor/etc sticking something in your arm was good for you?

Also - once you realize there never was/still isn't 'a virus' - the whole house of cards falls down and a lot of things become a lot more apparent.  But... it's a spell you are under, apparently quite a powerful one. You need to get past your ego, but - it seems you are pretty stuck in your belief system. And it's a 'cult', a 'belief' system. What documents did you read?

Did you even question inconsistencies - like - why supposedly if this "virus" was sooooooo very contagious - you needed a "mask" (diaper) on at all times lest you 'breathe' on someone the wrong way... but... you had to shove a huge stick up your nose to puncture your brain in order to see if you were 'sick'? Did you question that? Or... was "food in grocery" stores somehow "safe" (even though people "breathed" on it and "touched" it while stocking it) - but - you "needed" to put toxic hand sanitizer on before touching a hamburger that you put in your mouth?

a) As for the "unnamed 1000's that have died" - (i) which "1000's" are you referring to, (ii) see my initial post as for the actual reasons they may have gotten sick/passed away/etc (iii) did you look at any actual stats (the "flu" magically disappeared for two years, and "magically" the "covid" stats seemed to be exactly the same for the flu for 2 years), etc, etc, etc... (iv) are you referring to 'comorbitities' (i.e., someone had "cancer" but a doctor called it "covid"+"cancer" so he/she could get big $$$), etc, etc... People "died" because (a) they had other health conditions (i.e., cancers, heart issues, etc), (b) the treatment was designed to do that (i.e., intubation was done improperly and basically exploded people's lungs, not a fictitious 'virus'),
b) How do you arrive at the conclusion that a "booster" is a "fact"? Do you not recall the rhetoric from the media that "its just 2 weeks to 'flatten the curve'". then "just 2 months". then "just 2 years". then initially it was "just one shot". then "just two shots". then "just two shots + booster". then just "two shots + two boosters"... then - you have people like stoker that want to get injected "annually"? Serious. Why not inject yourself once an hour ever hour by that reasoning? What "facts" are you referring to? It's not a "fact". In fact, it is pretty made up.
c) Re: sources -  (i) they have been provided, you simply haven't even been bothered to look them up, (ii) you should do your own thinking as opposed to relying on some one else (i.e., cnn/fox/etc) to do your thinking for you... I suppose I should ask you - where's your sources? You never provide sources, why not? Where are your sources?

Think. Reason. If you disagree - explain how you arrived at your conclusions instead of silly childish and petty name calling. That's a dismissive tactic usually because the person can't actually reason - so name calling and trying to change the topic is easier.

You are mistaken. However, if you don't believe you are - explain why.
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2024, 17:37 »
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Do you know what the biggest poison of modern times is? It's the belief of some people that absolutely everything they see on TV is a lie, while at the same time they believe that everything their algorithm bubble finds for them on the internet is the pure truth.

These are often the people who believe that injected particles are meant to track and control them. Meanwhile, they voluntarily disclose millions of pieces of data about themselves every day. They sit in their car, in their smart home or use their smartphone or PC and only trust their social media channels controlled by algorithms - and are not even aware of the extreme extent to which they are being tracked and controlled/manipulated there. These people swear that the virus only exists to make a handful of people rich. At the same time, they make people rich who claim the opposite and get paid handsomely for expert lectures, advertising on their social media or YouTube channels or through donations, for example.

These people are advised to use their brains!

Hi Wilm,

Some broad, random assumptions you are making here... How did you arrive at your conclusion that it is "the" biggest "poison"? Lol... Does that mean...

a) By your statment, that you believe everything on t.v. is truth?
b) Interesting you think it is a 'bubble' that 'finds' info for people, when generally those that have come to realize what is really going on actually seek out information, do critical thinking and reasoning, as opposed to having information spoonfed. Does that mean your algorithmic bubble custom tailored to you is accurate?
c) You are making some broad & inaccurate assumptions about what people do and don't disclose. As an aside though - in general - I do agree too many people do post waaaaaay to much about themselves on social media, and have illusions about 'privacy' simply because say something like 'facebook' has 'privacy' settings. (They obviously do not really understand how data sharing/storage/etc really works behind the scenes).

It seems you 'kind' of might have a cursory knowledge of some things going on, but just choose not to really investigate any further...

a) No.
b) I read in many bubbles. But I am absolutely aware that I also primarily get the information that the algorithm selects for me. I try to avoid this by questioning it.
c) I don't know the objective truth either - I can only try to get as close to it as possible. However, I wonder why there are contemporaries who believe that they know the ultimate truth.

Hi Wilm,

a) Glad to hear it (that you don't believe everything you see on t.v.).
b) Good to hear you do question things. Continue doing so.
c) Certain topics it does become quite apparent what the absolute truth is, once you think/reason/read/etc enough on the topic/subject. While obviously it would be difficult for one to 'know everything' - read enough/talk enough/reflect enough and certain truths on certain topics become quite apparent.
d) As an aside - I wanted to add that when you say people put too much personal information online/etc - I do agree with you on that point. (I don't believe people should be doing that). However - there is a huge difference between someone choosing to do that, as opposed to someone being forcefully made to do that (i.e., via the s.a.n.s./5G/6G injections).

While I am not sure which 'contemporaries' you are referring to (please elucidate), for myself - my initial statement (at the beginning of this thread) is actually quite accurate. That is based off of not only extensive reading (both "for" the "belief" in the "virus", as well as against - and then thinking/reasoning/etc as to what made sense and what didn't), but actual discussions with all sorts of individuals in different walks of life, and actual hands on experience. I did talk to the doctors, the CEOs, the business owners, the 'govt officials', etc - so I have a very good idea of what really happened and why. Very few people did that. Most chose to ignore it and/or let someone else decide for them. Sad, but true.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2024, 18:07 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2024, 17:52 »
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Sorry, When I read the Headline and i can relate with ShutterStock Yearly Reset the Level thing.

Now I feel that every 1st Jan - i got infected with Covid-19

While you may have gotten sick/etc (I don't dispute that, not sure what your life was like, and obviously I am glad you are feeling much better) - you didn't get "infected" with "convid", because it doesn't exist - it is a fictitious 3d computer model that was broad-cast like a spell over and over on tell-a-vision. You most likely got sick ill from a whole bunch of other things - but you can't get sick from a fictitious 3d computer model - unless somehow you are secretly a computer.

« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2024, 02:24 »
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SuperPhoto! You're a troll! Stop trolling people!  >:( >:( >:(

« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2024, 02:40 »
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Haha re: your statement "Anti-vaxxer is not allowed to write in this thread!  ;D". So anything that does not tell you to get injected makes a statement an "anti-vaxx" statement?
No, I only mean those who write such nonsense and rubbish as you.  ;D

Incidentally, your television is also telling you to chop off your body parts to become "trans", it is telling you if you are caucasian not to have children so you can give all your money/etc to black/east indian/arabic/etc people who are having 5-15 children EACH to collect 'child payments', it is telling you to become gay,...


Okay, since you are so well informed and do serious research, could you please post the links to the reputable TV channels or programmes where we can watch these facts?

I haven't seen this anywhere on television myself.

So please enlighten us so that we can draw conclusions about the rest of your reputable sources...

« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2024, 03:48 »
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Hi:

I'm from Spain with nearly 100/100 vaccinated population and the best healthcare system in the world.

Here vaccine is recomended now just for vulnerable people.

I'm not sure if the new Covid vaccines have new variants inside. We don't have already more full statistics of ill people, just elderly people with covid statistics are public now (I think so).

You can get the vaccine for free with the flu vaccine every year if you want, because they are completeley safe. No restrictions for vaccination. Both are free, obviously.

I'm 51 and I'm just for the flu vaccine like I used to do before the nightmare.

I use to travel around Europe and I think I don' tneed the covid one for now.

But, I'm still using face coverings (ffp 2 or 3) ALWAYS in airports, planes and packed public transport abroad. Just in those places.

I have never got covid in a travel with this easy system after the pandemic.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2024, 03:55 by trabuco »

« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2024, 03:53 »
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Salud Pblica recomienda la vacunacin a personas de 60 o ms aos de edad; personas de 5 aos o ms internas en centros de discapacidad, residencias de mayores, y residentes en instituciones cerradas y personas a partir de 12 aos de edad con las siguientes condiciones de riesgo; embarazadas en cualquier trimestre de gestacin y mujeres durante el puerperio (hasta los 6 meses tras el parto y que no se hayan vacunado durante el embarazo y personas convivientes con aquellas que tienen alto grado de inmunosupresin.

Igualmente establece la vacunacin para personal de centros y establecimientos sanitarios y sociosanitarios pblicos y privados y personas que trabajan en servicios pblicos esenciales, con especial nfasis en los siguientes subgrupos: Fuerzas y cuerpos de seguridad del Estado, con dependencia nacional, autonmica o local, as como las Fuerzas Armadas, bomberos y servicios de proteccin civil.

 En menores se establece la vacunacin infantil en menores entre 6 meses y 12 aos se priorizar la vacunacin a las personas con condiciones asociadas con un aumento de riesgo de enfermedad grave y sus convivientes: trasplante de progenitores hematopoyticos, algunas inmunodeficiencias primarias y adquiridas, recibir terapias inmunosupresoras, incluyendo en cncer (ver Anexo 1), enfermedades crnicas cardiovasculares graves, enfermedades crnicas respiratorias graves (incluyendo asma grave), y enfermedades neurolgicas o neuromusculares graves.


Public Health recommends vaccination for people 60 years of age or older; people 5 years of age or older in disability centers, nursing homes, and residents in closed institutions and people 12 years of age or older with the following risk conditions; pregnant women in any trimester of gestation and women during the postpartum period (up to 6 months after delivery and who have not been vaccinated during pregnancy and people living with those who have a high degree of immunosuppression.

It also establishes vaccination for personnel in public and private health and socio-health centers and establishments and people who work in essential public services, with special emphasis on the following subgroups: State security forces and bodies, with national, regional or local dependency, as well as such as the Armed Forces, firefighters and civil protection services.

 In minors, childhood vaccination is established in minors between 6 months and 12 years, vaccination will be prioritized for people with conditions associated with an increased risk of serious illness and their cohabitants: hematopoietic stem cell transplant, some primary and acquired immunodeficiencies, receiving therapies immunosuppressive, including in cancer (see Annex 1), serious chronic cardiovascular diseases, serious chronic respiratory diseases (including severe asthma), and serious neurological or neuromuscular diseases.



« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2024, 12:08 »
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You are mistaken. However, if you don't believe you are - explain why.

What's the point?

You don't believe there is a virus, inspite of a mountain of evidence to the contrary.

You believe that the vaccinations not only do not help but are actually designed to make you sick, inspite of a mountain of evidence to the contrary and even though that does not make any sense whatsoever in the first place.

So no argument and no amount of evidence is going to convince you.

b) How do you arrive at the conclusion that a "booster" is a "fact"? Do you not recall the rhetoric from the media that "its just 2 weeks to 'flatten the curve'". then "just 2 months". then "just 2 years". then initially it was "just one shot". then "just two shots". then "just two shots + booster". then just "two shots + two boosters"... then - you have people like stoker that want to get injected "annually"? Serious. Why not inject yourself once an hour ever hour by that reasoning? What "facts" are you referring to? It's not a "fact". In fact, it is pretty made up.

1. It was always clear that you need at least two shots to be fully vaccinated with most vaccines. That was certainly the case for the new mRNA vaccines with which most people here in Germany and I believe in most parts of the Western World have been vaccinated with.

2. The scientific mind, unlike the mind of Conspiracy Theorists, is open to change it's opinion when new evidence is gathered.

In the case of covid, it was not clear from the beginning how well and for how long the vaccination would protect. There are some vaccines where one vaccination is enough for lifelong protection like for measles and there a other vaccinations that protect only for a period of time and even then not completly, like for influenza. It turned out that the covid vaccines fall into the latter category. And that corresponds with the disease. You usually get measles only once and are then protected for life, but you can get covid more than once, just like the flu or the common cold. You cannot expect the vaccine to provide a lifelong protection, when even the disease does not offer this protection.

« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2024, 12:33 »
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It is recommended to vaccinate against flu once a year. But I don't see such recommendations against Covid in this thread. Everyone says that it is enough to get three basic vaccinations against Covid and then not to do them. So Covid vaccinations are different from flu vaccinations.

« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2024, 13:11 »
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It is recommended to vaccinate against flu once a year. But I don't see such recommendations against Covid in this thread. Everyone says that it is enough to get three basic vaccinations against Covid and then not to do them. So Covid vaccinations are different from flu vaccinations.

At least here in Germany there is no general recommendation for a vaccination against the flu each year, either only for people over 60 and some other risk groups. It is basically the same for covid.

I will get another shot soon, but that's just me and due to the fact that I carry several risk factors for covid.

If you are in doubt, whether you should get vaccinated again, it is best to consult with a health care professional offline, with whom you can discuss your case, rather than relying on anonymous advice from people on the Internet who know nothing about your situation.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2024, 13:21 by Big Toe »

« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2024, 14:45 »
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It is recommended to vaccinate against flu once a year. But I don't see such recommendations against Covid in this thread. Everyone says that it is enough to get three basic vaccinations against Covid and then not to do them. So Covid vaccinations are different from flu vaccinations.

The Covid vaccination protection lasts for around 12 months, which can be explained by the fact that it is not a real vaccination in the true sense of the word. The proteins for the building instructions of the antibodies are degraded in an average of 1 year. How long immunity lasts after a real infection has not yet been conclusively clarified.

The current variant produces significantly less severe courses and long Covid.
 
For this reason, the German Vaccination Commission (STIKO) currently recommends a booster vaccination once a year in the fall only for people over 60 or with risk factors. Personally, I don't see the age limit as strict, but that's my personal opinion.

https://www.rki.de/SharedDocs/FAQ/COVID-Impfen/FAQ_Liste_STIKO_Empfehlungen.html

The flu (influenza) vaccination is a vaccination in the true sense of the word, in which the body is stimulated to produce antibodies itself on the basis of a "simulated" infection. 
The main problem here is that the virus is very prone to mutation and produces a large number of different variants every year, which are no longer recognized by the antibodies.


« Last Edit: September 27, 2024, 16:50 by RalfLiebhold »

« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2024, 17:41 »
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You are mistaken. However, if you don't believe you are - explain why.

You don't believe there is a virus, inspite of a mountain of evidence to the contrary.


This claim comes from the former Vice CEO of Pfizer Dr. Mike Yeadon as well as two other doctors Thomas Cowan and Samantha Bailey.

Yeadon recently claimed that the Covid VIRUS does not exist. That there is no VIRUS at all.

It is important to know that Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg and Dr. Mike Yeadon submitted a petition to the European Medicines Agency long before, on December 1, 2020, to stop ongoing clinical trials by Biontech and Pfizer on their coronavirus vaccines. The petitioners' arguments include the lack of long-term studies and the threat of side effects: In studies on mRNA vaccines against CoronaVIRUSES in cats, for example, a so-called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) had occurred, causing the cats to die on subsequent contact with the VIRUS. ...

Quelle: https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/827940/cb0f78bdc022e555dc0b10aa6eb5a10f/WD-9-119-20-pdf.pdf

In 2020, the Russian broadcaster RT told the "Corona Committee" - which includes Wodarg and Yeadon - that there would be no second Corona wave: "In addition, "over 80 percent of people" could possibly already be immune to the VIRUS "because of its relationship to other cold coronaVIRUSES".

Anyone who uses their brain will see the contradictions in all these statements in which Mr. Yeadon has become entangled. First there are VIRUSES, even a CoronaVIRUS, then suddenly there are not. ???

The first human VIRUS discovered was the yellow fever VIRUS* (an RNA VIRUS) - discovered in 1901. Like all other VIRUSES, it is visible under an electron microscope. Electron microscopes have been around since the 1930s, when 3D software for computers did not yet exist.

* In 1951, the microbiologist Max Theiler received the Nobel Prize for Medicine for his vaccine against yellow fever developed in 1937.

« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2024, 02:58 »
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In Denmark people from the age of 65 and up are invited to get flu and covid-19 vaccinations.

Also people with weakened immune system can get them.

I don't think younger and healthy people can get the covid-19 vaccination, but they can pay for a flu vaccination.

« Reply #40 on: September 28, 2024, 05:04 »
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Anyone who uses their brain will see the contradictions in all these statements in which Mr. Yeadon has become entangled. First there are VIRUSES, even a CoronaVIRUS, then suddenly there are not. ???
I think that Covid is primarily a bacteriological weapon used by China.

As for Russian TV channels, you don't need to listen to them, they only broadcast Russian propaganda and disinformation.

« Reply #41 on: September 28, 2024, 05:25 »
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It is important to know that Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg and Dr. Mike Yeadon submitted a petition to the European Medicines Agency long before, on December 1, 2020, to stop ongoing clinical trials by Biontech and Pfizer on their coronavirus vaccines. The petitioners' arguments include the lack of long-term studies and the threat of side effects: In studies on mRNA vaccines against CoronaVIRUSES in cats, for example, a so-called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) had occurred, causing the cats to die on subsequent contact with the VIRUS. ...

And yet, health care recommends that weak and old people be vaccinated every year. If weak and old people do not die, then Covid vaccines are safe. This is like the best testing of the vaccine, on the weak. How can you compare people with cats, this is nonsense. The vaccine is designed for people, not for cats.

Separate vaccines should be developed for cats and dogs. I may be wrong, but there is a difference between a human and an animal, right?  ;D

« Reply #42 on: September 28, 2024, 05:53 »
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It is important to know that Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg and Dr. Mike Yeadon submitted a petition to the European Medicines Agency long before, on December 1, 2020, to stop ongoing clinical trials by Biontech and Pfizer on their coronavirus vaccines. The petitioners' arguments include the lack of long-term studies and the threat of side effects: In studies on mRNA vaccines against CoronaVIRUSES in cats, for example, a so-called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) had occurred, causing the cats to die on subsequent contact with the VIRUS. ...

And yet, health care recommends that weak and old people be vaccinated every year. If weak and old people do not die, then Covid vaccines are safe. This is like the best testing of the vaccine, on the weak. How can you compare people with cats, this is nonsense. The vaccine is designed for people, not for cats.

Separate vaccines should be developed for cats and dogs. I may be wrong, but there is a difference between a human and an animal, right?  ;D

You didn't understand.

My point was that Yeadon, for example, initially spoke out against further vaccinations against a VIRUS and recognised its existence crystal clear, while later claiming that VIRUSes don't exist. And all of a sudden there are people who believe the latter...

The fact that vaccines were first tested on animals should also be familiar to you by now, right?

As far as RT is concerned, you're right. That's exactly why I wanted to say that RT has also become entangled in complete contradictions. I thought I had made that clear.

« Reply #43 on: September 28, 2024, 06:03 »
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Russian TV channels are not entangled and have no contradictions. They do not do journalism. All their disinformation is told on orders from the KGB and China. For a successful or unexpected use of weapons, it is necessary to first conduct a campaign to disinform the enemies. This is what the Russians do.

As for the rest, I don't argue with anything, I just ask questions.
Also, I don't know whether the vaccine was developed on dogs and cats or on monkeys and pigs. And these are all different animals. There are also mice and rats.

« Reply #44 on: September 28, 2024, 06:06 »
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And all of a sudden there are people who believe the latter...
These are not people, they are bots, trolls and anti-vaxxers. They are paid by their enemies to spread lies and disinformation.

« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2024, 10:00 »
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The first human VIRUS discovered was the yellow fever VIRUS* (an RNA VIRUS) - discovered in 1901. Like all other VIRUSES, it is visible under an electron microscope. Electron microscopes have been around since the 1930s, when 3D software for computers did not yet exist. ....

but the first vaccines were used in the 18th century, before viruses were known - they used cow pox to vaccinate (from the latin for cow) against smallpox, and pasteur pioneered the use of other vaccines against disease such as rabies in the late 19th century

science often progresses without knowing the underlying facts - eg, mendel described genetic inheritance more than 100 years before we knew about DNA


« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2024, 16:11 »
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The first human VIRUS discovered was the yellow fever VIRUS* (an RNA VIRUS) - discovered in 1901. Like all other VIRUSES, it is visible under an electron microscope. Electron microscopes have been around since the 1930s, when 3D software for computers did not yet exist. ....

but the first vaccines were used in the 18th century, before viruses were known - they used cow pox to vaccinate (from the latin for cow) against smallpox, and pasteur pioneered the use of other vaccines against disease such as rabies in the late 19th century

science often progresses without knowing the underlying facts - eg, mendel described genetic inheritance more than 100 years before we knew about DNA

I just wanted to point out that there are viruses. And that people who claim there are no viruses are living in a parallel world. If these people are asking others to use their brains, they should first take a good look at themselves.
But these people have gone underground anyway because they still have to search for certain TV shows that probably never existed ;-)


 

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