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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Off Topic => Topic started by: tab62 on July 23, 2013, 12:05
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Does anyone of you feel that the EXIF (Camera type plus other image stats) information plays a role in an image being accepted?
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Haven't a clue about factoring into acceptance, but on iS it can be a factor in rejection if you've upsized beyond the dimensions native to your camera.
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No
Panasonic Point and shoot
(http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/952942/112981642/stock-photo-pace-or-herd-of-donkeys-grazing-on-farmland-112981642.jpg)
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Alamy, I know a contributor that had issues with that, I am talking about the camera model
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I doubt it. It's possible a reviewer might look at the EXIF data after seeing something odd in the image; it might confirm their feeling that a too-high ISO or too large aperture (or too small, as in diffraction) was used. But rejecting an image that otherwise looks fine because it was shot with the wrong camera? Maybe a rogue reviewer could save time and reject a bunch of images without looking at them based on EXIF information, but I suspect the agency would be less than happy if they found out.
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Alamy, I know a contributor that had issues with that, I am talking about the camera model
True. I was uploading some older photos and didn't notice a pic from my Coolpix 5700 was in there, and it was dropped on upload as being from an unsuitable camera (didn't count as a QC fail, as it was automatically dropped).
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Interesting. Now I am going to do a test- the MS company that rejected my images- I will upload almost the same images (same model and location doing similar poses with the same lighting) via my high end camera and see if they take them.
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Alamy, I know a contributor that had issues with that, I am talking about the camera model
True. I was uploading some older photos and didn't notice a pic from my Coolpix 5700 was in there, and it was dropped on upload as being from an unsuitable camera (didn't count as a QC fail, as it was automatically dropped).
But Alamy has an approved camera list, many agencies dont. I think this is about a reviewer rejecting an image, which was good, for the camera it was taken with.
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iS must use the "Date Taken:" just had one rejected because the release date and image date don't match.
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my test, which I will start tonight, will tell me if this is true. I carefully did the same shot with only the camera being different. This is going to be kind of cool...
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"iS must use the "Date Taken:" just had one rejected because the release date and image date don't match."
Yep, I found that out with my date off by one lousy day!
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iS must use the "Date Taken:" just had one rejected because the release date and image date don't match.
That's true for editorial.
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Alamy, I know a contributor that had issues with that, I am talking about the camera model
True. I was uploading some older photos and didn't notice a pic from my Coolpix 5700 was in there, and it was dropped on upload as being from an unsuitable camera (didn't count as a QC fail, as it was automatically dropped).
But Alamy has an approved camera list, many agencies dont. I think this is about a reviewer rejecting an image, which was good, for the camera it was taken with.
right, it was a stupid rule, since the quality of some of the banned cameras was just as good as their accepted ones (and they had accepted many from those cameras before the ban was put in place). quality, not camera price should be the only concern - esp'ly from an agency that makes such a big point of "we don't review your images"
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I strip it out of every image I upload. It is needless.
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I didn't think about stripping it out! I assume Photoshop can do this...
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It's quite easy. Open a new file, the same dimensions, Shift/Drag your photo to the new file, and voila, no data. I have an Action that does it in seconds.
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cool. There are programs (free) out there as well. Some folks are afraid of having GPS info in their pics as well...
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A quote from a one time reviewer.
That to has an Influence on reviewers.We saw everything, exif,camera,Stats,everything.
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Not surprised that reviewers might use this info...
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Started the digital are with a Powershot. Got some very nice pictures under ideal conditions. 90% rejected by most sites, till I stripped the EXIF data out and got 50-60% approval rate (on these "good" pics). This info might be part of the default display screen on some site's reviewer screen. All depends if they keep an eye on it or not. Obviously was only a contributor on some mid and lower end sites with my vectors at that stage.
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I'd love to have the software they use, so I can see what they see and how it works. I assume if further review is needed... they grab the Levels Slider, take a peek at the inverse for spots and "hygene". But I wonder what camera data is always displayed without having to go into some menu.
I'd guess it's fairly straight forward.
The Bots (which Don't Do Reviews!) eliminate for size (including over and under), could read camera data, could read other data.
Humans can glance and see "this is a reject" - "this is good" without complicated software, some are easy.
A good reviewer (according to someone on Alamy) can spot a flawed image from the thumbnails, then investigates to see if it's a problem full size or not.
If there are any questions or needs for further review, use the software.
So what do they use to review? That's interesting?
I strip it out of every image I upload. It is needless.
Yeah and the funny part is, the agencies will strip it out and make us anonymous, after review. Good point, take it out in advance, might help. I don't upload shots from my pocket camera, so it's not an issue, but for others, it can't hurt?
Here's a free one, that I haven't used. Maybe someone can try it and report back?
http://download.cnet.com/Easy-Exif-Delete/3000-2248_4-75157345.html (http://download.cnet.com/Easy-Exif-Delete/3000-2248_4-75157345.html)
A quote from a one time reviewer.
That to has an Influence on reviewers.We saw everything, exif,camera,Stats,everything.
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Easy to see you can use the windows properties or you can DL the program for Firefox and just click and show.
I'd love to have the software they use, so I can see what they see and how it works. I assume if further review is needed... they grab the Levels Slider, take a peek at the inverse for spots and "hygene". But I wonder what camera data is always displayed without having to go into some menu.
I'd guess it's fairly straight forward.
The Bots (which Don't Do Reviews!) eliminate for size (including over and under), could read camera data, could read other data.
Humans can glance and see "this is a reject" - "this is good" without complicated software, some are easy.
A good reviewer (according to someone on Alamy) can spot a flawed image from the thumbnails, then investigates to see if it's a problem full size or not.
If there are any questions or needs for further review, use the software.
So what do they use to review? That's interesting?
I strip it out of every image I upload. It is needless.
Yeah and the funny part is, the agencies will strip it out and make us anonymous, after review. Good point, take it out in advance, might help. I don't upload shots from my pocket camera, so it's not an issue, but for others, it can't hurt?
Here's a free one, that I haven't used. Maybe someone can try it and report back?
[url]http://download.cnet.com/Easy-Exif-Delete/3000-2248_4-75157345.html[/url] ([url]http://download.cnet.com/Easy-Exif-Delete/3000-2248_4-75157345.html[/url])
A quote from a one time reviewer.
That to has an Influence on reviewers.We saw everything, exif,camera,Stats,everything.
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Yes but I mean, I'd like to see what they see, not open this and that and click E or have to hit commands. I'd be surprised if the reviewers had to open and close things and click. It would make more sense if it was a display or overlay, all the time, or one click to show data.
Just had another interesting (in my strange kind of way) idea for testing the camera data being read on places other than Alamy. We already know that Alamy checks it with software or humans... Don't seem to have a consensus on the top Microstock agencies.
Take an image with a 5D, for example, copy and past into an image from a P&S of some sort. See if it gets rejected in a batch with the same series from the 5D.
The data from the original image will stick on the P&S original and the actual image will be from the 5D. That would be a nice easy test? "Do reviewers on Micro, reject for EXIF camera model data?"
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Well, the test results are in! I did a retake using my 1D on all the shots that were rejected with the Pen 4/3 camera and guess what? They all were accepted by company X. I used the model, natural light at the same exact time, same area, same F stop not the 1D did use 100 iso compared to 200 iso but that should be the main factor. And this company X pays very low rates thus I am forced to use a high end camera for them or nothing gets in...
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Just goes to show again, nothing beets quality (a Rolls Royce without a badge still stays a Rolls).....
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Well, the test results are in! I did a retake using my 1D on all the shots that were rejected with the Pen 4/3 camera and guess what? They all were accepted by company X. I used the model, natural light at the same exact time, same area, same F stop not the 1D did use 100 iso compared to 200 iso but that should be the main factor. And this company X pays very low rates thus I am forced to use a high end camera for them or nothing gets in...
Well, the test should also include stripping the meta data of the rejected files and submit them and see what happens?
Because the quality of the 1D is obviously better than a point and shoot, otherwise whats the use of buying a 6000 dollar camera when a point and shoot is equally good. ;D
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So far you only proved to me, that the better camera actually takes better photos. Perhaps the reviewers don't look at the metadata and the 1D shots are better?
Do what Ron says, strip the data from the 4/3 or better yet, paste the 4/3 image over an identical 1D data image. Hows that for a test! Now you'll have a 4/3 image with the 1D EXIF.
Well, the test results are in! I did a retake using my 1D on all the shots that were rejected with the Pen 4/3 camera and guess what? They all were accepted by company X. I used the model, natural light at the same exact time, same area, same F stop not the 1D did use 100 iso compared to 200 iso but that should be the main factor. And this company X pays very low rates thus I am forced to use a high end camera for them or nothing gets in...
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that would be funny! I might try this one... :D