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Slovenian

« on: July 28, 2011, 09:02 »
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Any fans over here? I started watching premier league regularly last season and I must I'm looking forward to 13.8. for the new season to begin. I'm a Liverpool fan and I can't wait to see how the new season under King Kenny, with Suarez and Carrol up front will go. I still think they need a signing or two, at least a new CB, Carra sure can't do all the work by himself and krtel is someone who's not too reliable. And I can't wait to see Gerrard play again, he's just the greatest. I also love the fact Suarez has joined them, now my 2 fav footballer are playing for my fav team :).

I am, of course watching champion's league as well, some Europa cup games and WC/EC every 4 years.

Now I'm just waiting for a ton of Barca fans, since lately everyone is a Barca fan (mostly those who've never watched football and are just following the masses :)


« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 09:44 »
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Yawwwwwwwnnnnnn.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 09:56 »
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Go Cowboys ;D

« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 10:02 »
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Wake me up in a couple days when they put on pads and helmets.  ;D

Slovenian

« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 10:23 »
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Go Cowboys ;D


I was just waiting until someone mentioned this sport yanks call football, that is really just rugby for those who are not man enough to play the real thing (so they hide behind helmets and armor) and with so much tactics involved that companies can have a ton of commercials (like with just every American sport) during the breaks and that all those fat ppl can eat enough of hot dogs ;D . C'mon ppl I'm talking about the real thing, sport that brings billions of ppl to watch it on TV at the same time during the WC, not something called superbowl than can barely attract a few dozen million ppl ;) . Sport that requires so much skill, accuracy, finesse ;) . Let me demonstrate ;) :
Best 10 Goals of Soccer (Football) History


BTW, I really can't understand why yanks stole the name if they barely ever use their feet to kick the ball :s . It could be called, carry-throw the ball for a few seconds and then stop the game so we can review tactics, because we're to dumb to remember more than the next 2 steps :D. OK just joking, I'm sure there is an aspect that makes it interesting, that we who're used to more complex and skillful international sports just don't see. It the same as with car racing, one who hasn't seen anything advanced beyond the 70s can find racing in a circle for 200 laps interesting, insted of WRC, touring car championship, F1...Simple things for simple ppl ;)

Slovenian

« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2011, 10:25 »
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Wake me up in a couple days when they put on pads and helmets.  ;D


Real men don't need it;)
Rugby Big Hits

WarrenPrice

« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 10:37 »
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I knew you were waiting.  Just couldn't resist.  I must say that you are very good at instigating.  Why?

Slovenian

« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 10:43 »
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Lol, I'm just frustrated because the wrong crowd turned up ;) . But then again, who started with Go cowboys ;) . I just knew you Americans couldn't resist. You never really could at anything, you have to stick your nose everywhere in most cases where it doesn't belong. Now I really don't want this to grow into something totally off topic, I really tried hard with the OP to set it in the right direction. If it doesn't interest you, just leave it alone. Please resist the urge to interfere ;) . After all it is in the off topic forum, so the thread can really be just about anything ;)

« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 10:52 »
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I would love to see what Slovenian would do if a couple of American footballers were chasing him.  They have a lot of protection compared to rugby players but the tackles look brutal.  Have any rugby players gone over there and showed them how tough they are?  I will stick with playing the original version of football.  And I presume they call it football in the states because it was rugby football over here.  They just dropped the word rugby instead of football.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2011, 10:54 by sharpshot »

Slovenian

« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 10:56 »
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I would love to see what Slovenian would do if a couple of American footballers were chasing him.  

I'd throw them the ball, lol. They'd chase it like dogs :D

They have a lot of protection compared to rugby players but the tackles look brutal.  Have any rugby players gone over there and showed them how tough they are?  I will stick with playing the original version of football.  And I presume they call it Football in the states because it was Rugby Football over here.  They just dropped the word rugby instead of football.

Copied 2 names (of the game), wow, this is getting better and better. And then mixing the 2 games? OK, they're not related, that's a step forward for some of them ;D

WarrenPrice

« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 11:25 »
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The entire thread is a bit silly; don't you think?  Why do you do this?

Slovenian

« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2011, 11:29 »
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The entire thread is a bit silly; don't you think?  Why do you do this?

You see, you really can't help yourself ;D

« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2011, 12:21 »
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I always thought this was an interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

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The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863 and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".

Slovenian

« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2011, 12:41 »
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I always thought this was an interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

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The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863 and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".



I'm not really sure what ur trying to say  ??? ...

« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2011, 12:59 »
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I always thought this was an interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

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The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863 and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".



Englishmen messed up classification but rest of the world made it clear: rugby is just rugby (I have never heard before that it was called rugby football) and football is used around a world for game when you kick the ball. Since American version of rugby football is played only there rest of the world calls is American Football.

« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2011, 13:13 »
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I'm not really sure what ur trying to say  ??? ...

That it was an interesting read. No real point or gotcha moment. I just found it an interesting history.

« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2011, 13:14 »
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The entire thread is a bit silly; don't you think?  Why do you do this?

the problem aint the topic subject but the way this guy keep on trying to upset other and put other "in place" like if he is our father or somekind of king, really annoying actually..

Slovenian

« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2011, 13:53 »
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I'm not really sure what ur trying to say  ??? ...

That it was an interesting read. No real point or gotcha moment. I just found it an interesting history.

OK, I read some more info on it and learned something new, I'm glad no time has been wasted :) .

But I can't believe not a single person who's participating in this thread is watching football. But it doesn't matter, it's evolving in an interesting and at times amusing way :)

« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2011, 17:28 »
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Liverpool huh?  Could be worse I suppose, Chelsea or Arsenal  ;D  Have to say I favour the other reds.  On barca, I was shouting for man u but these guys are just so good,,,,,

« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2011, 18:32 »
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I enjoyed the women's World Cup - very good matches. I think Americans tune in to soccer/football every four years for the men's World Cup and are disgusted by the diving, fake injuries and other BS and find it off putting. I don't see that kind of stuff in the league games.

I'm off to play soccer... (I'm American.)

LSD72

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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2011, 19:57 »
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Can't wait for the Gators to start playing again.

RacePhoto

« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2011, 00:59 »
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Go Cowboys ;D

Packer Fan here.

Real American football isn't infected with the fake crumple for sympathy.  ;)

Slovenian

« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2011, 04:36 »
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Liverpool huh?  Could be worse I suppose, Chelsea or Arsenal  ;D  Have to say I favour the other reds.  On barca, I was shouting for man u but these guys are just so good,,,,,


I can't stand Chealsea and their German (iron discipline, they play almost like robots) approach to the game. However I don't know how it could be worse, they're the biggest rivals. Not that I care about that since I don't live there. I forgot to mention I really can't stand Barca, thousands of short passes on their own half, then a long pass when the opponent gets fed up with that and they score. It's not football, it's a game of chess. And a boring one ;) . I like teams that play open, attacking football, that's why I also like Spurs. And PL as a whole, which is just the opposite of Serie A, where every team just try to lead 1:0 and then all the efforts go into keeping that result, you can just shut down the TV. Last WC was awful, even Brazilians didn't play like Brazilians. And we played a draw against Americans, the ref saved them so many times, they should get a red card in the first minute http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/18062010/2/photo/18062010141831.html and it happened a few times later as well. They played really, really dirty, what they lacked in skills they made up with dirty play, elbowing, dirty tackling etc.

« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2011, 08:27 »
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I think the PL has become a bit too fast.  There used to be players that had great skill but weren't fitness fanatics.  Just look at this goal, I doubt a player like Frank Worthington would get a game now, like most sports, there aren't many players that can just use their skills.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlqU-pQMR74[/youtube]

« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2011, 08:50 »
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I love football and a big Liverpool fan. Looking forward to the season starting again and been looking forward to Liverpool getting back on top. I'm still hopeful.  :)

Here's a blog for you Slovenian.

http://www.microstockposts.com/i-love-photography-but-im-mad-about-football/

Slovenian

« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2011, 09:21 »
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I think the PL has become a bit too fast.  There used to be players that had great skill but weren't fitness fanatics.  Just look at this goal, I doubt a player like Frank Worthington would get a game now, like most sports, there aren't many players that can just use their skills.


Yeah that goal is spectacular, but if you look at the defenders and what they're doing, they're a joke. If you're more into skills than speed, than primera division (la liga) is more for you. But there's really just Barca and Real and I can't watch el classico anymore. Barca is playing like it always plays, but Mourinho just closes the game, sends everyone to the penalty box. That's not football for me. It can be effective, the proof is last year's Inter's title that was won with this strategy (they beat Barca in semifinal with one player down). There's Atletico Madrid, Valencia and Sevilla, but other clubs really lack quality. PL is just the strongest league, but why I like it the most it's because they play open, attacking football. Lots of goals when it comes to the games that teams like Spurs play (very offensive, but they're pretty bad defensively). When it comes to goals, this one is my fav, not just because of the goal itself (he did hit quite a few even more incredible), but because they needed it to go to the next stage and they became the champions by beating Milan. It was THE BEST CL final ever! And the commentary is just great, the best combo really [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o64vs9ZVnec[/youtube]

Slovenian

« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2011, 09:40 »
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I love football and a big Liverpool fan. Looking forward to the season starting again and been looking forward to Liverpool getting back on top. I'm still hopeful.  :)

Here's a blog for you Slovenian.

http://www.microstockposts.com/i-love-photography-but-im-mad-about-football/


Indeed football is just so much more than scoring goals. It's the only sport that gives me goose bumps constantly or even almost makes me cry. And Liverpool does it all the time, Gerrard really is the heart of the team and is able to overturn every game. I mean trailing by 3 goals in the final against Milan, who was just playing football out of this world and then winning it! WOOOW! And now that Suarez brought beauty into the game (mad south american skills), it really becomes a spectacular event. I hope they'll go back to the top, where they belong. It still is the greatest club in England and one of the top clubs in the world. I know u've seen it (but others should too), but this dribbling was just so amazing [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leflwyv-BkE[/youtube]

And that's the man who, IMO, hits the most amazing goals [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8RG2qjivms[/youtube] . I really love those goals shoot from 20+ m (up to 45 really). The kind of goals strikers usually don't deliver.

helix7

« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2011, 11:39 »
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I was just waiting until someone mentioned this sport yanks call football, that is really just rugby for those who are not man enough to play the real thing (so they hide behind helmets and armor) and with so much tactics involved that companies can have a ton of commercials (like with just every American sport) during the breaks and that all those fat ppl can eat enough of hot dogs ;D . C'mon ppl I'm talking about the real thing, sport that brings billions of ppl to watch it on TV at the same time during the WC, not something called superbowl than can barely attract a few dozen million ppl ;) . Sport that requires so much skill, accuracy, finesse ;) ...

I guess you understand American football about as well as I understand international football, a sport I regard as being made up of a bunch of sissies kicking a ball around on a field and rolling around on the ground crying when someone kicks you in the shin. ;)

I've tried to get into it, but It's lost on me. My wife is from Ecuador and I've tried watching games with her, but it's a lost cause.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2011, 12:03 »
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Oh... you must be talking about soccer?   ::)

Slovenian

« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2011, 12:15 »
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Oh... you must be talking about soccer?   ::)

OK I understand you're American, but must you be showing your ignorance so blatantly?
« Last Edit: July 29, 2011, 12:27 by Slovenian »

Slovenian

« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2011, 12:26 »
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I was just waiting until someone mentioned this sport yanks call football, that is really just rugby for those who are not man enough to play the real thing (so they hide behind helmets and armor) and with so much tactics involved that companies can have a ton of commercials (like with just every American sport) during the breaks and that all those fat ppl can eat enough of hot dogs ;D . C'mon ppl I'm talking about the real thing, sport that brings billions of ppl to watch it on TV at the same time during the WC, not something called superbowl than can barely attract a few dozen million ppl ;) . Sport that requires so much skill, accuracy, finesse ;) ...

I guess you understand American football about as well as I understand international football, a sport I regard as being made up of a bunch of sissies kicking a ball around on a field and rolling around on the ground crying when someone kicks you in the shin. ;)

I've tried to get into it, but It's lost on me. My wife is from Ecuador and I've tried watching games with her, but it's a lost cause.

Indeed, to each his own. I prefer the skillful version, you prefer simpler things, more goals etc. And yes they are sissies, I don't like it either, but that's the only downside for me. I've never really tried to get into american football, it really has no appeal to me. I'd watch rugby, at least there's constant action, not just pushing ahead for a few yards. Most of the time you don't watch the game, since there's more breaks than action. And what's the point of even having goals? You'd have to be naive to miss a free kick. I mean in football you have a much smaller goal, GK and defenders. And that's what makes it interesting.

The only version of sport that you managed to make better is basketball. I don't watch it, but if I were watching it, I'd watch NBA every time over European league (or however it's called). Bad defending really makes it interesting and more spectacular.

« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2011, 12:38 »
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The only version of sport that you managed to make better is basketball. I don't watch it, but if I were watching it, I'd watch NBA every time over European league (or however it's called). Bad defending really makes it interesting and more spectacular.

I never knew you had it in you. You actually managed to praise something American. By the way didn't Basketball originate in the States, so if the Europeans have their own league and you prefer the American version, then didn't the Europeans manage to make it worse? Another by the way, I was just reading up that Basketball was originally played with a football (soccer ball).

Slovenian

« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2011, 13:05 »
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The only version of sport that you managed to make better is basketball. I don't watch it, but if I were watching it, I'd watch NBA every time over European league (or however it's called). Bad defending really makes it interesting and more spectacular.

I never knew you had it in you. You actually managed to praise something American. By the way didn't Basketball originate in the States, so if the Europeans have their own league and you prefer the American version, then didn't the Europeans manage to make it worse? Another by the way, I was just reading up that Basketball was originally played with a football (soccer ball).

I might be wrong about the origins, it's not a sport a know much about (I do know all the rules etc). Of course I managed. You make lots of things well, especially show business. But this thread was unfortunately derailed by some ignorant yanks that needed to interject with posts about american football and to make it worse they usually don't read sarcasm to well and are easily offended. That's why I sometimes have trouble communicating with you (americans). I tried to put it back on topic a couple of times, but I was not successful. At the end I could add that I was being poky or provocative as usually, but that's just my style. My intention is not to fight but to either joke around or get into an argumented debate (having different opinions sure is more interesting than always agreeing).

« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2011, 14:23 »
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The only version of sport that you managed to make better is basketball. I don't watch it, but if I were watching it, I'd watch NBA every time over European league (or however it's called). Bad defending really makes it interesting and more spectacular.

I never knew you had it in you. You actually managed to praise something American. By the way didn't Basketball originate in the States, so if the Europeans have their own league and you prefer the American version, then didn't the Europeans manage to make it worse? Another by the way, I was just reading up that Basketball was originally played with a football (soccer ball).

I might be wrong about the origins, it's not a sport a know much about (I do know all the rules etc). Of course I managed. You make lots of things well, especially show business. But this thread was unfortunately derailed by some ignorant yanks that needed to interject with posts about american football and to make it worse they usually don't read sarcasm to well and are easily offended. That's why I sometimes have trouble communicating with you (americans). I tried to put it back on topic a couple of times, but I was not successful. At the end I could add that I was being poky or provocative as usually, but that's just my style. My intention is not to fight but to either joke around or get into an argumented debate (having different opinions sure is more interesting than always agreeing).

I've been called many things before, but that's the first time I've been called American. U can check my DT link if u want to know where I'm from.

helix7

« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2011, 14:26 »
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Indeed, to each his own. I prefer the skillful version, you prefer simpler things, more goals etc...

Well that right there is a huge misconception of American football. It's often referred to as a "game of inches." It's the tiniest details that often contribute greatly to the outcome of a game, and skill makes all the difference. It's not a game of brute force, pushing forward to gain a few yards. It's as much a game of skill and finesse as football is, maybe more so in some regards. And simple? Ha! Ever seen an NFL playbook? It's a huge binder with hundreds of pages. Those guys spend as much time in the classroom as on the practice field. It's a complex game that requires skill and expertise in many areas.

And often there are no more goals in American football than international football, just more points per goal, making it seem like a higher-scoring game than it really is. Many games are decided by just 1 or 2 "goals" combined between the two teams.

Slovenian

« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2011, 15:54 »
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The only version of sport that you managed to make better is basketball. I don't watch it, but if I were watching it, I'd watch NBA every time over European league (or however it's called). Bad defending really makes it interesting and more spectacular.

I never knew you had it in you. You actually managed to praise something American. By the way didn't Basketball originate in the States, so if the Europeans have their own league and you prefer the American version, then didn't the Europeans manage to make it worse? Another by the way, I was just reading up that Basketball was originally played with a football (soccer ball).

I might be wrong about the origins, it's not a sport a know much about (I do know all the rules etc). Of course I managed. You make lots of things well, especially show business. But this thread was unfortunately derailed by some ignorant yanks that needed to interject with posts about american football and to make it worse they usually don't read sarcasm to well and are easily offended. That's why I sometimes have trouble communicating with you (americans). I tried to put it back on topic a couple of times, but I was not successful. At the end I could add that I was being poky or provocative as usually, but that's just my style. My intention is not to fight but to either joke around or get into an argumented debate (having different opinions sure is more interesting than always agreeing).

I've been called many things before, but that's the first time I've been called American. U can check my DT link if u want to know where I'm from.

Sorry for calling you american, I could only deduct from you defending them or better said making a comment about me being positive about them for once and your English, which seems perfect to me. Actually they aren't all that good in grammar and often can't write properly; for instance your instead of you're, there instead of their etc.

Slovenian

« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2011, 16:03 »
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Indeed, to each his own. I prefer the skillful version, you prefer simpler things, more goals etc...

Well that right there is a huge misconception of American football. It's often referred to as a "game of inches." It's the tiniest details that often contribute greatly to the outcome of a game, and skill makes all the difference. It's not a game of brute force, pushing forward to gain a few yards. It's as much a game of skill and finesse as football is, maybe more so in some regards. And simple? Ha! Ever seen an NFL playbook? It's a huge binder with hundreds of pages. Those guys spend as much time in the classroom as on the practice field. It's a complex game that requires skill and expertise in many areas.

And often there are no more goals in American football than international football, just more points per goal, making it seem like a higher-scoring game than it really is. Many games are decided by just 1 or 2 "goals" combined between the two teams.

Well thanks for educating me on american football. I believe they study their playbook, strategies etc, but I just can't spot that finesse in the game. A player either makes that pass or he doesn't, I don't see them curving the ball etc like in football. They also complete that run over the "finish line" or they don't, but it's just about speed, not technique, like you see players dribbling, spinning the defenders like they're on a merry-go-round. To me american footballers are just great athletes, but never magicians (sounds kinda weird in English, but I can't see they could call someone el magico or something similar;). Check that link of Suarez making an incredible dribble, pushing the ball past 4 defenders in the penalty box and just a few sq m. You of course can do the same, demonstrate that finesse with a clip ;)

« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2011, 16:59 »
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I've been called many things before, but that's the first time I've been called American. U can check my DT link if u want to know where I'm from.

Sorry for calling you american, I could only deduct from you defending them or better said making a comment about me being positive about them for once and your English, which seems perfect to me. Actually they aren't all that good in grammar and often can't write properly; for instance your instead of you're, there instead of their etc.

Just because native English speakers make grammatical mistakes, it doesn't mean they don't know it. You gave 2 common errors people make, often when they are typing in a hurry. I know I sometimes make these mistakes too, but I know the grammar, well most of the time, although probably not as well as a Scandinavian for example. By the way the word American is with a capital A, the same like S for Slovenian. I know you know that and I know that you probably don't want to type a capital A for American, in the same way as I don't type a capital S in istock. It's often small things which reveal a lot about people, although you are pretty direct enough for people to notice you have a small thing. Sorry if that didn't come out quite right, sometimes my English isn't so perfect. ;D

Slovenian

« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2011, 17:08 »
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It's often small things which reveal a lot about people, although you are pretty direct enough for people to notice you have a small thing

Is this supposed to be funny ? :s

« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2011, 17:36 »
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It's often small things which reveal a lot about people, although you are pretty direct enough for people to notice you have a small thing

Is this supposed to be funny ? :s
No.

« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2011, 20:43 »
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nothing but a bunch of rich little babies who want more and more and more before they shoot their dicks off.

« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2011, 23:10 »
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 ::)  ;D

Slovenian

« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2011, 18:43 »
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The draw results are in http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/preliminarydraw/news/newsid=1483519/index.html . For once we got a relatively easy group (contrary to the Euro qualifications) Group E: Norway, Slovenia, Switzerland, Albania, Cyprus, Iceland.

« Reply #43 on: July 31, 2011, 03:13 »
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There's a lot of skill in American football.  Just try throwing the ball accurately over a long distance when your being hunted down.  Sometimes it's really hard to tell if the QB or RB has the ball.  I still don't really understand all the different plays.  I like watching it but it would be much better if the 60 minute game didn't last over 3 hours.  I quite often get bored, it has to be a really good game for me to watch it live.

Not all conventional footballers are sissies.  I wouldn't like to get in to a fight with Vinnie Jones or Roy Keane.  It's a shame that some players spoil the game but I blame the referees and officials for not stopping them.  If they sent off players that obviously faked injury or banned them for several games after reviewing the match, they would soon stop doing it.  American football officials seem to be much better but the game doesn't flow and I think that's probably worse.

I like American football best when they have used all their time outs in the last 2 minutes and they need a TD.

Slovenian

« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2011, 03:35 »
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Could we get back to the topic? I don't mind OT posts as long as they're interesting, but American football really bores me to death ;)

RacePhoto

« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2011, 15:51 »
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The only version of sport that you managed to make better is basketball. I don't watch it, but if I were watching it, I'd watch NBA every time over European league (or however it's called). Bad defending really makes it interesting and more spectacular.

I never knew you had it in you. You actually managed to praise something American. By the way didn't Basketball originate in the States, so if the Europeans have their own league and you prefer the American version, then didn't the Europeans manage to make it worse? Another by the way, I was just reading up that Basketball was originally played with a football (soccer ball).

I might be wrong about the origins, it's not a sport a know much about (I do know all the rules etc). Of course I managed. You make lots of things well, especially show business. But this thread was unfortunately derailed by some ignorant yanks that needed to interject with posts about american football and to make it worse they usually don't read sarcasm to well and are easily offended. That's why I sometimes have trouble communicating with you (americans). I tried to put it back on topic a couple of times, but I was not successful. At the end I could add that I was being poky or provocative as usually, but that's just my style. My intention is not to fight but to either joke around or get into an argumented debate (having different opinions sure is more interesting than always agreeing).

Lets see because you don't understand sarcasm and humor, even though you claim to be dishing it out and when you call people names and insult them, it's doesn't play well either?  ???

derailed by some ignorant yanks

Football is the American Sport, it's and English speaking forum and you could have used Soccer or Futbol, FIFA World Cup, or Association Football and taken no heat. Then there's the issue of the sophisticated fan behavior of Soccer fans, which is so despicable that it's hard to believe. Throwing bodily waste, beating on each other like little thugs, beating up the refs. and murdering players for not winning? Wow, that's some serious "fun" and joking material.

However just because I don't understand people running up and down a field for an hour and scoring no points, then deciding the match by free kicks, don't hold it against me. I like the other form of football, I grew up with it, where it's like a like chess game, constantly changing, and guess what, they usually have scoring, which makes it more interesting. If I grew up in Romania I wouldn't have a clue about American football, I admit it.

Here's my honest answer (which is stupid and will never happen)  :D Make the goals wider so the goalie can't possibly cover them, more shots, more scores. Now in hockey it would make sense because the goalie has become some wide version, padded, almost cyborg figure and gained width to block with. At least soccer has integrity in their rules and has remained virtually unchanged by equipment. No live ball, no bigger rackets, no one gets high tech blades that move, no wind tunnel testing of helmets, slick suits, or titanium drivers.

Lets hear it for soccer being pretty much the same game it was in 1863 with the FA cup. You do have history and tradition on your side.

Slovenian

« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2011, 16:15 »
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Lets see because you don't understand sarcasm and humor, even though you claim to be dishing it out and when you call people names and insult them, it's doesn't play well either?  ???

What . are you on about? ???

derailed by some ignorant yanks

Indeed and you're (all) proving my point time and time and time again. Just take another read of the thread. Besides me only 2 people managed to stay on topic, which is football. The rest just kept on raping us with your version of the sport that I don't care about. At all. I tried to tell you that in a polite and direct, blunt way, but it's no use. You ppl just have to enforce your way of thinking onto everyone, not just thinking the rest of the world cares about your opinion, but you feel obligated to do so. Just like you're bringing democracy around the world. But the sad thing is, we Europeans live in a free world. You don't ;)

Football is the American Sport, it's and English speaking forum and you could have used Soccer or Futbol, FIFA World Cup, or Association Football and taken no heat.

Again, why?!? The whole world calls it football, just because 300 million ppl (that's less than 5% of the world's population) calls another sport football. And again, you Americans feel the need to make us take the heat. You see how ridiculous and absurd that is?

If I grew up in Romania I wouldn't have a clue about American football, I admit it.

I don't have to remind you of the percentage again, now do I? And you just had to degrade it down to what you consider a 3rd world country to make a point. It tells a lot about you ;)

Here's my honest answer (which is stupid and will never happen)  :D Make the goals wider so the goalie can't possibly cover them, more shots, more scores. Now in hockey it would make sense because the goalie has become some wide version, padded, almost cyborg figure and gained width to block with. At least soccer has integrity in their rules and has remained virtually unchanged by equipment. No live ball, no bigger rackets, no one gets high tech blades that move, no wind tunnel testing of helmets, slick suits, or titanium drivers.

Indeed it's stupid. Totally Americanised, since all you usually do is make things bigger (including yourselves ;D ). Again, nobody would care for that, football it's by far the most popular sports in the world. I'll use a phrase of yours (American) I like: don't fix it if it ain't broken. Billions of fans would agree on that ;) .


Lets hear it for soccer being pretty much the same game it was in 1863 with the FA cup. You do have history and tradition on your side.

So big of you to give us a tiny recognition at the end.

RacePhoto

« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2011, 16:30 »
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Could we get back to the topic? I don't mind OT posts as long as they're interesting, but American football really bores me to death ;)

This is the OFF topic forum?  ;D

Are you the new self anointed Pope of forum decorum?

I'm looking forward to being bored to death in a few weeks and I have a way to avoid the same with FA cup or FIFA. I change the station. You should try it, unless someone is strapping you to a chair and forcing you to watch Am. Football? Just say no and watch something else. Problem solved. Forum debate ended also. To each their own.

And to be what you want, I'll answer the OP.

NO!
« Last Edit: August 01, 2011, 16:32 by RacePhoto »

lagereek

« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2011, 17:08 »
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Football?  no way but Soccer:  yes!

« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2011, 17:35 »
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I think soccer is a horrible word.  It's only really used in the UK when speaking to people from the US or by Brits that have become over Americanised.  I don't mind people from the US calling our football game soccer but there's no way I'm using that word.  We have completely different meanings for lots of words, I have no problem with having two different sports with the same name.

Slovenian

« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2011, 17:41 »
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I think soccer is a horrible word.  It's only really used in the UK when speaking to people from the US or by Brits that have become over Americanised.  I don't mind people from the US calling our football game soccer but there's no way I'm using that word.  We have completely different meanings for lots of words, I have no problem with having two different sports with the same name.

Finally words of wisdom ;)

Lagereek just stopped by to poke us, as usually. Don't take me wrong, I've nothing against it, I do that too sometimes when I get bored ;D

RacePhoto

« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2011, 19:37 »
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I think soccer is a horrible word.  It's only really used in the UK when speaking to people from the US or by Brits that have become over Americanised.  I don't mind people from the US calling our football game soccer but there's no way I'm using that word.  We have completely different meanings for lots of words, I have no problem with having two different sports with the same name.

Finally words of wisdom ;)

Lagereek just stopped by to poke us, as usually. Don't take me wrong, I've nothing against it, I do that too sometimes when I get bored ;D

Thanks for the fun.  ;)

Association Football? Round ball football? The world needs an answer that pleases everyone.

Milinz

« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2011, 23:32 »
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I think soccer is a horrible word.  It's only really used in the UK when speaking to people from the US or by Brits that have become over Americanised.  I don't mind people from the US calling our football game soccer but there's no way I'm using that word.  We have completely different meanings for lots of words, I have no problem with having two different sports with the same name.

Reportedly, the man who stands at the origin of the word soccer is Charles Wreford Brown, an Oxford student. The name soccer is used in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and some parts of Ireland, because the name football for two different games is confusing. You're against a word that was invented in England to name the game.

« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2011, 01:02 »
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I think soccer is a horrible word.  It's only really used in the UK when speaking to people from the US or by Brits that have become over Americanised.  I don't mind people from the US calling our football game soccer but there's no way I'm using that word.  We have completely different meanings for lots of words, I have no problem with having two different sports with the same name.

Reportedly, the man who stands at the origin of the word soccer is Charles Wreford Brown, an Oxford student. The name soccer is used in Australia, Canada, New Zealand and some parts of Ireland, because the name football for two different games is confusing. You're against a word that was invented in England to name the game.
From wikipedia "Association football is known as "football" in the majority of countries where English is an official language, such as the United Kingdom, the Commonwealth Caribbean (including Trinidad and Tobago, Jamaica and others), Malta, India, Nigeria, Cameroon, Pakistan, Liberia, Singapore, Hong Kong and others, stretching over many regions including parts of Europe, Asia, Africa, the Caribbean and Central America."

They do go on to mention some UK football programmes that have soccer in the title, like "Soccer AM".  The presenters have said they hate the word soccer and were forced to use it when the programme was shown in the US.  The vast majority in English speaking countries use the word football and don't like using the word soccer.

I have no problem calling other games in countries like the US and Australia football, even if it's just glorified egg chasing :)  Perhaps logically any game with a prolate spheroid shaped ball should be called rugby?  At least Gaelic football uses a round football.

lagereek

« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2011, 02:01 »
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Yes I agree, soccer is a horrible word, I dont even know where its originated from?  Football, is really the proper terminology.

rubyroo

« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2011, 03:35 »
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I'm a girl from the UK who hates football - but my understanding from many male football obsessives of my acquaintance is that the whole world calls English football 'football' except America, where they have to call it 'soccer' to differentiate from their own game (which I agree is oddly named, given the apparently minimal use of feet).

So I don't think this disagreement should be taken as anything personal against America, or American Football.  I think there's a misunderstanding that 'soccer' is more commonly used in the world than it really is.  IME, that's a pretty exclusively American thing.

I do congratulate the US on basketball - I loved watching the Harlem Globetrotters on TV as a child, and our only equivalent back then was 'netball' (a girl's game that was compulsory at my school and is very dull by comparison!  Same objective, but far less dynamic).

Our equivalent of 'baseball' is 'rounders'. 
 
I don't mean to derail this thread - just wanted to comment on the different terminologies.  Nothing to add on the game of football itself, so I'm off now.  :)

« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2011, 03:41 »
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Our equivalent of 'baseball' is 'rounders'. 

I really liked playing rounders at school and conkers.

rubyroo

« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2011, 04:27 »
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I used to love rounders - but one day when I was 12, that rock-hard little ball fell from about 50ft in the sky, went straight through my hands and whacked me in the knee cap.  That knee still makes crunching noises when I go upstairs to this day.

Strange that boys who play cricket get to wear knee and shin protectors, while girls who play rounders do it in short PE skirts and unprotected legs.

But now I really am derailing this thread, so I'll stop there.

« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2011, 04:41 »
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...while girls who play rounders do it in short PE skirts and unprotected legs.

I think that's why I was so fascinated with rounders. :D
I still have a dodgy finger from playing basketball at some kind of summer school thing. Boy, do I hate that game!!

rubyroo

« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2011, 05:05 »
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 :D

+ sympathy.

Batman

« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2011, 09:25 »
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I always thought this was an interesting read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer

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The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863 and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".



Englishmen messed up classification but rest of the world made it clear: rugby is just rugby (I have never heard before that it was called rugby football) and football is used around a world for game when you kick the ball. Since American version of rugby football is played only there rest of the world calls is American Football.


I like that nice and simple but you left out soccer.

« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2011, 10:56 »
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I found an expert explanation of that horrible "s" word.  Skip to 1:07

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=138CaUjCorU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m8s[/youtube]
« Last Edit: August 02, 2011, 11:01 by sharpshot »

« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2011, 11:11 »
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I watched the 4 minute video but can't remember a word she said. I will watch it again and concentrate on her words this time.

Batman

« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2011, 12:00 »
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Yes I agree, soccer is a horrible word, I dont even know where its originated from?  Football, is really the proper terminology.

Do you read the other message, it originated in England and some countries still use it.

Quote
As a player Escobar was no more than a solid international defender, but the Colombian will forever be remembered as the man murdered for making a defender's mistake.

Colombia had arrived at the finals in the United States in 1994 with high expectations.

An impressive qualifying campaign had included a 5-0 win over Argentina in Buenos Aires and the Colombians played with a dazzling, carefree style that seemed to have been lost from the South American game. Valderrama, Asprilla and Rincon were drawing comparisons with the 1970 Brazilians, and Pele tipped them to win.

But Colombia's preparations were conducted against a backdrop of rumors that betting syndicates and drug cartels were exercising their influence over the squad. Coach Hernan Gomez was reported to have received death threats over matters of team selection.

Whatever the truth, Colombia's players were affected. They looked edgy and unfocused as they suffered a shock 3-1 loss in their opening game against Romania.

Escobar's moment of misfortune came in Colombia's next game against the United States. Stretching to cut out a cross, he deflected the ball into his own net. The U.S. went on to win 2-1 and the Colombians went home early.

In Medellin 10 days later, Escobar was shot 12 times by a gunman as he left a nightclub. With each bullet his assailant was reported by police to have shouted: "Goal."

rubyroo

« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2011, 13:27 »
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Thanks for the video-answer Sharpshot.  I think I thanked you for a definitive answer in another thread earlier.  You appear to be the oracle of MSG today  ;D

helix7

« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2011, 16:49 »
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Well thanks for educating me on american football. I believe they study their playbook, strategies etc, but I just can't spot that finesse in the game...

...You of course can do the same, demonstrate that finesse with a clip ;)


You got it:
Football's Best Jukes

« Reply #66 on: August 02, 2011, 16:58 »
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...and here is some feminineness. 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofEFZlxNxUI&feature=related[/youtube]

Slovenian

« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2011, 01:27 »
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Well thanks for educating me on american football. I believe they study their playbook, strategies etc, but I just can't spot that finesse in the game...

...You of course can do the same, demonstrate that finesse with a clip ;)


You got it: Football's Best Jukes


What a minute, now you're being just racist! White men can't do that ;) ;D (u can really feel the rhythm in there and see great athleticism).

But still, just avoiding defenders holding the ball comparing to dribbling it around them with your feet or even juggling it, is something else ;) .

Slovenian

« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2011, 01:29 »
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...and here is some feminineness. 

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofEFZlxNxUI&feature=related[/youtube]


Yeah I've seen these women teams playing in lingerie, now they've started a similar basketball league. That's really the only way I'd watch American football. Well at least the "highlights" :P . I'm not the kind of person who'd watch a game for hours to see a nip slip :)

« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2011, 02:10 »
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I love the Kenny Dalglish interviews.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vktZcPVPw[/youtube]

Xalanx

« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2011, 02:29 »
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Well thanks for educating me on american football. I believe they study their playbook, strategies etc, but I just can't spot that finesse in the game...

...You of course can do the same, demonstrate that finesse with a clip ;)


You got it: Football's Best Jukes


I could hardly see the ball in that video. Everytime is just some guy trying not to be caught. He might as well run without the ball.

If the guy being chased would wear a red t-shirt, the game could as well be called "Catch the Red Riding Hood"

Slovenian

« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2011, 03:48 »
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I love the Kenny Dalglish interviews.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vktZcPVPw[/youtube]


To be honest I find it hard to understand Stevie G, when he doesn't try to speak without accent, or even worse, Carra. I usually get the first reply, then he just forgets he's on TV and Scouses his way through interview. It really is easier for me to understand Scots, than ppl from Liverpool. What a shame, since I'm most interested in their (football) interviews.

I like Redknapp's attitude as well, he won't let anyone bust his balls during the interview :D
Harry Redknapp "I'm no wheeler dealer" x rated reaction to Sky's Rob Palmer


BTW, not a good start of the season for Liverpool, I was really disappointed with the way they played 2nd half and of course Suarez's penalty kick miss was really shameful. Although he made it up in the next few minutes and played well in the first half. Carroll seems to really be overpayed, his effectiveness is low, Suarez and Kuyt work a lot better together. And most importantly, the team really needs Gerrard, he's been missing for over half a year.

« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2011, 06:38 »
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BTW, not a good start of the season for Liverpool, ..

I was working on my blog last night and I totally forgot about the start of the season. So annoying, if only I turned the tv on, I would have known about it. >:( Anyway, I'll watch todays games.

Slovenian

« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2011, 07:52 »
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BTW, not a good start of the season for Liverpool, ..

I was working on my blog last night and I totally forgot about the start of the season. So annoying, if only I turned the tv on, I would have known about it. >:( Anyway, I'll watch todays games.

Well today's games are going to be more of a David against Goliath type :D

Slovenian

« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2011, 10:31 »
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I just saw a spectator who was near Nanni, implying with a hand motion he's a wanker. Lol I really like that word. Wanker ;D . And we can all admire Rooney's hair transplant as well, at first I didn't recognize him, the director had to put a close up on him, so that we could realize it was him :)

Slovenian

« Reply #75 on: August 20, 2011, 08:49 »
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Reds won at the Emirates by 2 goals :) . YNWA!

Slovenian

« Reply #76 on: August 23, 2011, 16:54 »
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I love the Kenny Dalglish interviews.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7vktZcPVPw[/youtube]


I acutally understand this guy a lot better than Kenny ;D


 

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